Re: Disk Mirroring in Sarge howto

[Siju George]

Thankyou so much Alvin for the detailed reply :-)

Could you please answer some of my doubts based on your feed back?

On 6/14/05, Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> hi ya
> 
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Siju George wrote:
> 
> > I want to have the following partitions in both the hard disk
> >
> > / - 500 MB - Primary
> 
> good
> 
> > swap - 2 GB - Primary
> 
> bad location ??  if it is partition#2
> 

Yes its partition 2 . what would be an appropriate location???
I just followed the BSD way where swap (b) comes immediately after / (a).
What is appropriate for linux??

> > /usr - 5 GB - Primary
> 
> ok
> 

actually i won't have much aplications, so I think it must be a bit
large but its alright I think especialy if I get ideas later :-)

> > /home - 500 MB - Logical
> 
> extreme bad idea if you have users
> 

I have no users that need a home directory. This will be basically a
webserver (apache) and also a backup server. The webserver won't be up
most the time so infact this is going to be a dedicated backup server
that takes backups from Linux, MS Windows etc. I think of using bacula
for taking backup from linux and a smbclient,tar,rsync something for
taking backup from MS Windows

so I hope 500 MB is o.k??? or is it more??? :-)

> > /tmp - 5 GB - Logical
> 
> extreme bad idea unless oyu have specific applications
> that will run that requires /tmp to be that big
>

What would you sugget??
 
> most apps uses less than 100mb of /tmp or /var/tmp or /usr/tmp
> 

I see. Thankyou for letting me know. :-)

> > /var/log - 5 GB -logical
> 
> wow .. you're collecting tons of log data ??
> - how much data do you have now  in /var/log
>

last time I did't check but what would you suggest?? but I've noticed
increase upto 100 MB sometimes in a matter of two days.
 
> > /var - rest of the disk - logical
> 
> extreme bad idea ... unless you have users
> 
> - if you are intending to make a complete debian mirror
>   in /var/apt and equiv .. than it might be okay, but i'd
>   separate /var for users vs /var for system to keep itself running
>

Could you please explain this a little more to me?
 
> you cannot ever provide enough disk space for uwers or your own
> applications .. you will always run out of space ..
> 
> some apps require /opt in which case / is too small
>

o.k I use on this system

Apache
PHP4
MySQL
Samba
Postfix
Qpopper
Bacula

thats it for now. 

Do you suggets I create a seperate /opt partition??? if so how much size??
 
> > I prefer ext3 or ReiserFS for file systems.
> 
> or xfs or jfs ..
> 
> for disks that are say 500GB or more ... i'm not even gonna try
> using ext3 ...
> 
> for partitions over 2TB ... its gonna be a fun testing game of
> which apps crash first because it used the wrong libs
>

I 've only used Ext3 till now because I heard data recover is
difficult in all others except ext2.

and also I understand that ReiserFS is better than XFS if the system
goes down suddenly due to power failure. Don't know much about JFS :-(

this hard disk is only 40 GB :-)

Thankyou so much once again for taking time to explain things to me :-)

good luck!

kind regards

Siju

Re: No updates for Sarge

[Jonathan Kaye]

En/La John Graves ha escrit, a 14/06/05 07:47:
> I was successfully using apt-get to maintain my sarge installation on my
> server.  The week before sarge went stable I changed the 2 entries in my
> sources.list from testing to sarge and again successfully received an
> update.  Now that Sarge is stable, I have not received any updates
> either normal or security.   My sources.list is as shown in the release
> notes.  I show a list of hits but nothing is brought down either from
> debian or from security.debian sources.   I am using http.us.debian.org
> and security.debian.org. Can someone point me to a reference that might
> help me figure out what is happening?
I'm not sure what you have in your sources.list but here's what it
should look like wrt security updates:
Keeping your Debian system secure

In order to receive the latest Debian security advisories, subscribe to
the debian-security-announce mailing list.

You can use apt to easily get the latest security updates. This requires
a line such as

deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free

in your /etc/apt/sources.list file.

If you have that line in sources.list then I suppose there haven't been
any security updates recently.
Cheers,
Jonathan


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Netinstallation of Debian 3.0 - regarding

[bs . gopinath]

Hello ,

 I need to install debian 3.0 through net installation, how can i
do it?, please send me some installation manuals with step by
step.

Regards
Gopinath S Bownan


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Re: No updates for Sarge

[Mike]

John Graves wrote:

I was successfully using apt-get to maintain my sarge installation on 
my server.  The week before sarge went stable I changed the 2 entries 
in my sources.list from testing to sarge and again successfully 
received an update.  Now that Sarge is stable, I have not received any 
updates either normal or security.   My sources.list is as shown in 
the release notes.  I show a list of hits but nothing is brought down 
either from debian or from security.debian sources.   I am using 
http.us.debian.org and security.debian.org. Can someone point me to a 
reference that might help me figure out what is happening?


I too have been waiting for the centericq update to get to sarge. As of 
now the thing is worthless having in sarge since it segfaults due to a 
bug that came up right when sarge froze.


-Mike


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Re: Re: changing from unstable to testing

[Anton Bretterklieber]

Thank you for helping!
My problem: I did an upgrade to gnome-panel 2-10.1.3. From now on,
gnome-panel doesn't work - "gnome-panel crashed". Also bugbuddy
shows only a blank window, therfore I cannot send a bug-report.

thx
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Re: a question about apt_preferences,

[Brian Nelson]

On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 03:47:16PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
[...]
> I've looked at the contents of several release files, and see that in
> these files the stable/testing/unstable value is in the 'Suite:'
> field. In man apt_preferences, this is called the Archive, not the
> Suite. This, I think, explains the use of 'a=' in the above config
> string.
> 
> What I have been calling the release name is found in the 'Codename:'
> field. I see in man apt_preferences mention of selecting a specific
> release on the basis of origin, with 'o=', version with 'v=', and
> label with 'l='.
> 
> Is there a similar way of pinning on the contents of the Codename:
> field?  
> 
> The string 'c=' won't work because it is already in use to select the
> 'component', i.e., main/contrib/non-free. The string 'v=' won't work
> because there is no version# assigned to testing or unstable.
> 
> Any ideas?

Look at the apt source?  From a quick glance, it appears the only
strings recognized are v=, o=, a=, l=, and c=, which would mean the
codename is not supported...

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Login as a root

[puishor]

Hi !

every time when I start konsole , I get loging as usual user.
To switch to root user I must enter:

> su
> passwd :

Even if I put su statement in .bashrc it would ask me the password
anyway.
So... the question is what should i write in .bashrc (eventually plus
the password) , so that konsole app would login me as a root user by
default ?
I really need that, because I use linux as a desktop , on a single
machine, so there is no need for any security issues ;I'm the only user
and the only admin... so I do not need any user...


10x.


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Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

[Bob Proulx]

Kevin Mark wrote:
> Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote:
> > Removing xserver-rage128 ...
> > sed: can't read /etc/X11/Xserver: No such file or directory
> > dpkg: error processing xserver-rage128 (--remove):
> >   subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
>
> I'd look at the post removal script and see if you can:
> 1) find out how to fix the problem to allow the script to work on a
> re-run
> (these are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-rage128.*) 
> 2) make a hack to allow you to remove the package and then reinstall it
> after every other package is upgrade WITH APTITUDE. 

I ran into a problem with libapache-mod-perl from a hacked
installation that had a similar error.  It was failing the call to
apache-modconf.  I worked around it by editing the prerm script to
avoid generating the error.  This allowed the package to be removed.

You may need to do the same by editing the script and remove the 'set
-e' option from the script or add 'bad-command || true' or add an
'exit 0' in an appropriate place.  Since you are removing the package
this will be okay, note the problem, and then install the package
again later.

Bob


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Re: Netinstallation of Debian 3.0 - regarding

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On 6/14/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello ,
> 
> I need to install debian 3.0 through net installation, how can i
> do it?, please send me some installation manuals with step by
> step.
> 
> Regards
> Gopinath S Bownan
> 
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You first download the netinst CD image here, assuming on i386:
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso

Other buddies on the list should be able to point you to some good
installation manual, basically you just burn the CD, boot the machine,
and follow the installation process, which is quite straightforward.

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e2fsck problem

[Marco Calviani]

Hi,
 i'm running Sid (ext3 fs) on an Acer Travelmate 8005 laptop. It is few 
days that i've got this warning from the kernel:


EXT3-fs warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended

I've tried to run  e2fsck /dev/hda but here are the results:

e2fsck 1.38-WIP (09-May-2005)
Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda

The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
filesystem.  If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2
filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock
is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock:
   e2fsck -b 8193 


What does it means?

Thanks in advance,
MC


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Re: Using Cedega

[Marco Calviani]

Hi,
  you can try with the loader you can find here: 
http://www.liflg.org/?catid=7&gameid=44


Hope this helps,
MC

Romulo Sousa wrote:


Hi folks,

I would like to run JediKnight Academy at my box cuz I don't wanna to
reboot it and load windows just for games. Speacially cuz it's
crashing all the time and I'm getting crazy with it.
The solution I found for games was Cedega. After some efforts for
finding a .deb package of cedega I could install it.
The problem now is that I can't run the game even mount my cdrom drive
at /mnt/cdrom.
I tried to run it both as root and also as a regular user. For the
first case I had the following message of error:

# cedega /mnt/cdrom/JediAcademy.exe
Your system requires the use of pthreads but the maximum system
allowed stack size of 2052 kB may be too small for some games.
If you experience problems, try rerunning with "-use-pthreads no"
which may help.
Moving all local fonts to /root/.transgaming_global/Fonts and removing
local Fonts directory
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
x11drv: Can't open display: :0.0

Trying to satisfect the OS I typed:

# cedega -use-pthreads no /mnt/cdrom/JediAcademy.exe
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
x11drv: Can't open display: :0.0

So I tried to run a different file:

# cedega -use-pthreads no /mnt/cdrom/autorun.exe
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
x11drv: Can't open display: :0.0

As a regular use I got the following:

$ cedega /mnt/cdrom/JediAcademy.exe
Your system requires the use of pthreads but the maximum system
allowed stack size of 2052 kB may be too small for some games.
If you experience problems, try rerunning with "-use-pthreads no"
which may help.

and no return for the following:

$ cedega -use-pthreads no /mnt/cdrom/JediAcademy.exe


Since this game is supported by Cedega, I have no idea how I can
install it cuz it has 2 cd's. I've read things like "open two
terminals (Konsole in case you use KDE) and one of them must be root".

Anyway, I need some help here. Whatever docs should be welcome as well.

Best regards,

Romulo Sousa

 




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Re: Continuing problems with installer and Sager 9880

[Christian Perrier]

> Does anyone have any suggestions on next steps or how to get past this 
> impasse?  In particularly, how might I diagnose at a finer granularity 
> why partman is failing.  The only interesting messages in the logs are 
> these:


I think that partman is not really failing. Your problem falls in the
general problems we have with that bloody SATA things for which the
support in the kernel and discover is jerky.

Do you have an idea of the modules combination that would work with
Linux (either flavour) with you hardware. Have you tried some live
CD's such as Knoppix or Ubuntu ones and chaecked that one of these
succeeds in finding a hard drive in your machine ?

Blame SATA, blame it, dammit



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Re: e2fsck problem

[Dennis Stosberg]

Am 15.06.2005 um 10:21 schrieb Marco Calviani:

> I've tried to run  e2fsck /dev/hda but here are the results:
> 
> e2fsck 1.38-WIP (09-May-2005)
> Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...

/dev/hda is your complete hard disk.  The ext2 file system you want
to check is (almost) always in a partition of your hard disk.

These partitions can be addressed as /dev/hda1, /dev/hda2, etc.

If you don't know, what partition your file system is on, you can
use "mount" to find out.

Regards,
Dennis

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Re: upgrading to stable sarge produces Segmentaion fault

[Ionut Georgescu]

On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 08:51:06PM +0200, Florian Sukup wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I upgraded to stable sarge.
> 
> Unfortunately there appearing errors with two packages: sendmail and 
> apache.
> 
> The apache package install ok, when /etc/init.d/apache start is called:
> 
> 
> 
> Configuration syntax error detected. Not reloading.
> 
> /usr/sbin/apachectl: line 186: 10119 Segmentation fault  $HTTPD -t
> 
> 
> 
> At configuring the sendmail package a similar error appears. For example 
> if I call makemap at command line it just says 'Segmentation fault'. 
> Since 'makemap' is needed at configuring sendmail it can't be configured 
> completely.
> 
> For the time beeing I installed the old version of sendmail again 
> (thanks god it worked, so I have email at least).
> 
> I really would appreciate if someone can help me. I don't know what to 
> do anymore.
> 
> Florian.
> 

You might have old libraries still lying around. did you try

apt-get dist-upgrade

?

Ionut


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Re: Setting up PostgreSQL on Debian...

[Clive Menzies]

On (13/06/05 20:41), John Hasler wrote:
> I get exactly the same error here.  The user I am running pgAccess as is a
> PostgreSQL user.  When I run psql I can create the database and then open
> it in pgAccess, but I can't create it in pgAccess.
> 
> Looks like a but.

but what? ;)

It's not a bug.  If you've created a user and you want that user to be
able to create databases or users, you need to grant those privileges,
initially, as user postgres:

CREATE (ALTER) USER  PASSWORD  CREATEDB CREATEUSER;

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Sarge Upgrade Problem Webmail (Imap)

[VFJ - Damiaan Peeters]

Hi

I upgraded our server to sarge. I was running 
* Postfix, Squirrelmail (& qpopper)

The upgrade went almost perfect.  Only a few small glitches (e.g. the removed 
php-gd2 package) could be fixed very quickly.  Our website is running a lot 
faster than before (thanks to mysql v4, i believe).  I also installed the new
* Amavisd-new 
* spamassassin 
packages, which are working fine at the moment.

The only thing which is (still) broken is my webmail.
When i try to log in i get the error message: 
---
ERROR:
Bad request: The IMAP server is reporting that plain text logins are disabled. 
Using CRAM-MD5 or DIGEST-MD5 authentication instead may work. Also, the use of 
TLS may allow SquirrelMail to login. Please contact your system administrator 
and report this error.
---

I am not very familiar with (very) advanced server configuration (mail & 
apache), but i do understand very good the basics and basic security issues.

What is the best (easiest?) way to fix this?  

Kind Regards
Damiaan Peeters

Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[John L Fjellstad]

Cam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> WindowMaker is the best... it doesn't seem to be under development
> anymore though... am i wrong?

Last CVS snapshot is dated 2005-04-09

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Re: Newbie needs help fine tuning sarge

[Dennis Stosberg]

Am 14.06.2005 um 01:38 schrieb j Mak:

> 1  My /apt/sources.list is empty, where can i find
> repository addresses.

There is a tool called "apt-setup", which will help you to make
entries for mirrors near you and/or the cdroms you have.

Of course, you can always edit your sources.list manually later. 

> 2.Currntly, I can start synaptic only form the command
> line but not from the menu, how can i fix this.

This depends your desktop or your window manager.  You'll want to
run something like "gksu synaptic" or "kdesu synaptic" in that menu
entry. 

> 3.I connet to the internet using pon from the command
> line, is there a   graphical interface for pon.

bbppp, gpppon, maybe more.

Regards,
Dennis

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Re: changing from unstable to testing

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On (14/06/05 06:10), Anton Bretterklieber wrote:
> 
> Thank you for helping!
> My problem: I did an upgrade to gnome-panel 2-10.1.3. From now on,
> gnome-panel doesn't work - "gnome-panel crashed". Also bugbuddy
> shows only a blank window, therfore I cannot send a bug-report.
> 
> thx
> Anton

Install reportbug and you won't need an email client; it also makes bug
reporting very easy.

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Re: No updates for Sarge

[michael]

On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 09:36 +0200, Jonathan Kaye wrote:
> En/La John Graves ha escrit, a 14/06/05 07:47:
> > I was successfully using apt-get to maintain my sarge installation on my
> > server.  The week before sarge went stable I changed the 2 entries in my
> > sources.list from testing to sarge and again successfully received an
> > update.  Now that Sarge is stable, I have not received any updates
> > either normal or security.   My sources.list is as shown in the release
> > notes.  I show a list of hits but nothing is brought down either from
> > debian or from security.debian sources.   I am using http.us.debian.org
> > and security.debian.org. Can someone point me to a reference that might
> > help me figure out what is happening?
> I'm not sure what you have in your sources.list but here's what it
> should look like wrt security updates:
> Keeping your Debian system secure
> 
> In order to receive the latest Debian security advisories, subscribe to
> the debian-security-announce mailing list.
> 
> You can use apt to easily get the latest security updates. This requires
> a line such as
> 
> deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free
> 
> in your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
> 
> If you have that line in sources.list then I suppose there haven't been
> any security updates recently.

I had O(50Mb) download from `apt-get install upgrade` today from said
source (first time for about a week I've run the cmd)


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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Simon Huggins]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 11:17:09PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
> --- Simon Huggins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > satisfies my requirements well.  I wouldn't have put so much time
> > into fixing up the packages for Debian if I didn't think it was
> > useful.
> That's nice that you spend time on it -- and if it suits you, then all
> well and good.  When I used it, it seemed to crash a lot, and offered
> not a lot in terms of focus or placement policies in comparsion to
> other WMs (and some DEs).  But I can see why people like it.

See I wouldn't use it if it crashed a lot.  I don't understand that.

There are undoubtedly bugs in it as with every software but the ones
I've seen have all been minor.

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Re: Newbie needs help fine tuning sarge

[Matthias Kaeppler]

j Mak wrote:

1  My /apt/sources.list is empty, where can i find
repository addresses.


If it is empty, I suggest you first run apt-setup. This will create a 
first sources.list for you, and will offer you a long list of debian 
mirrors from all around the world.

These are for official packages only!

You will probably also want to add these to your sources.list:

# mplayer, acroread, LAME, etc.
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main

# Skype, Java 5, Real Player, Flash, etc.
deb http://archive.unable-to-package.org/debian-utp sarge main contrib 
non-free restricted


And in case you want to use the newest Xfce (the best Desktop ever *g*):

# XFce 4.2+
deb http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main


2.Currntly, I can start synaptic only form the command
line but not from the menu, how can i fix this.


That's very unlikely. If you have installed synaptic with apt, debian 
will run `update-menus` to put it in the system menu. Maybe you looked 
in the wrong place. It will probably be located in "Apps-->System"



3.I connet to the internet using pon from the command
line, is there a   graphical interface for pon.


Not that I know of. And what for, if I may ask? The command is `pon 
`. Which becomes even less to type if you `alias` it with a 
custom command. I see no need for a graphical interface here, do you?


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Re: e2fsck problem

[Marco Calviani]

Hi,
 how could i know which partition is causing the ext3 warning?

Regards,
MC

Dennis Stosberg wrote:


Am 15.06.2005 um 10:21 schrieb Marco Calviani:

 


I've tried to run  e2fsck /dev/hda but here are the results:

e2fsck 1.38-WIP (09-May-2005)
Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
   



/dev/hda is your complete hard disk.  The ext2 file system you want
to check is (almost) always in a partition of your hard disk.

These partitions can be addressed as /dev/hda1, /dev/hda2, etc.

If you don't know, what partition your file system is on, you can
use "mount" to find out.

Regards,
Dennis

 




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Re: Sarge Upgrade Problem Webmail (Imap)

[Dennis Stosberg]

Am 14.06.2005 um 09:06 schrieb VFJ - Damiaan Peeters:

> When i try to log in i get the error message: 
> ERROR:
> Bad request: The IMAP server is reporting that plain text logins
> are disabled. Using CRAM-MD5 or DIGEST-MD5 authentication instead
> may work. Also, the use of TLS may allow SquirrelMail to
> login. Please contact your system administrator and report this
> error.
> 
> I am not very familiar with (very) advanced server configuration
> (mail & apache), but i do understand very good the basics and
> basic security issues.
> 
> What is the best (easiest?) way to fix this?  

The error message tells you that your imap server does not allow a
plain text login.  This is usually good practice, since passwords
are transmitted over the wire in clear text with this authentication
method.

However, your squirrelmail was configured to do plain authentication
only.  So squirrelmail and your imap server share no common
authentication method and thus cannot communicate. 

Option 1: Allow plain text logins on your imap server.  Only do 
  this if your squirrelmail web server and the imap server
  are on the same machine.  And even then make sure the
  imap server accepts plain text logins from the loop
  interface only. 

Option 2: Make squirrelmail use a more secure authentication
  method.  Have a look at "/etc/squirrelmail/conf.pl",
  esp. on $imap_auth_meth and $use_imap_tls.

To see which authentication methods your imap server supports you can
telnet into it:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# telnet localhost 143
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
* OK IMAP4 ready.
001 capability
* CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 IDLE AUTH=LOGIN AUTH=CRAM-MD5
001 OK CAPABILITY completed
001 logout


Regards,
Dennis

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Adam Funk]

Simon Huggins wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 07:09:00PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
>> --- Simon Huggins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Does that mean that xfce4 is a good compromise then between both of
>> > these concepts given you can install as many or as few of the
>> > components as you like once you have the basic libraries installed?
>> > ;)
>> In that sense, then perhaps.  But XFCE4's only good thing is that it
>> has plenty of eye-candy.  You can't do a thing with it other than
>> that.
> 
> I understand that a window manager/desktop environment is a personal
> choice but saying you can't do a thing with it is just wrong; it
> satisfies my requirements well.  I wouldn't have put so much time into
> fixing up the packages for Debian if I didn't think it was useful.

Personally, I think XFCE4 is great (apart from a few minor things I haven't
been able to configure).


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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Adam Funk]

Jochen Schulz wrote:

> A window manager is a program that just "manages windows". It gives
> applications an area on the screen where they can be displayed and most
> often the WM draws a border around it, gives it a nice title and enables
> the user to do things with these windows - put one on the foreground,
> minimize another one etc.
> 
> Very often window managers come with some kind of a panel, virtual
> desktop support and some kind of application launcher (a "start menu" or
> icons on the panel), but strictly speaking, this is exceeding the task
> of a minimal WM.
> 
> Desktop environments (KDE, Gnome. Xfce) do far more than that. They come
> with a file manager, draw the background with pixmaps and icons, they do
> some work behind your back to easily handle removable storage or enable
> drag'n drop. They come with "control centers" to do system
> administration and generally give the user a simplified, cleaned up view
> on their system. Applications supporting the DE all look the same and
> share a lot of routines to do common tasks. DEs also provide
> applications with a way to register themselves for a filetype which they
> can handle, which is then reflected when using the DE's file manager and
> so on... Of course, this list is not complete.

Interesting, thanks.


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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Andre Venter]

Ultimately this is one of those personal taste type things.. Whatever works 
for you is your best option. Maybe try a few and see what works for you




- Original Message - 
From: Adam Funk

To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: Request for window manager recommendations


Jochen Schulz wrote:


A window manager is a program that just "manages windows". It gives
applications an area on the screen where they can be displayed and most
often the WM draws a border around it, gives it a nice title and enables
the user to do things with these windows - put one on the foreground,
minimize another one etc.

Very often window managers come with some kind of a panel, virtual
desktop support and some kind of application launcher (a "start menu" or
icons on the panel), but strictly speaking, this is exceeding the task
of a minimal WM.

Desktop environments (KDE, Gnome. Xfce) do far more than that. They come
with a file manager, draw the background with pixmaps and icons, they do
some work behind your back to easily handle removable storage or enable
drag'n drop. They come with "control centers" to do system
administration and generally give the user a simplified, cleaned up view
on their system. Applications supporting the DE all look the same and
share a lot of routines to do common tasks. DEs also provide
applications with a way to register themselves for a filetype which they
can handle, which is then reflected when using the DE's file manager and
so on... Of course, this list is not complete.


Interesting, thanks.


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Re: Using Cedega

[Marco Calviani]

Hi,
  you can try with the loader you can find here: 
http://www.liflg.org/?catid=7&gameid=44


Hope this helps,
MC

Romulo Sousa wrote:


Hi folks,

I would like to run JediKnight Academy at my box cuz I don't wanna to
reboot it and load windows just for games. Speacially cuz it's
crashing all the time and I'm getting crazy with it.
The solution I found for games was Cedega. After some efforts for
finding a .deb package of cedega I could install it.
The problem now is that I can't run the game even mount my cdrom drive
at /mnt/cdrom.
I tried to run it both as root and also as a regular user. For the
first case I had the following message of error:

# cedega /mnt/cdrom/JediAcademy.exe
Your system requires the use of pthreads but the maximum system
allowed stack size of 2052 kB may be too small for some games.
If you experience problems, try rerunning with "-use-pthreads no"
which may help.
Moving all local fonts to /root/.transgaming_global/Fonts and removing
local Fonts directory
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
x11drv: Can't open display: :0.0

Trying to satisfect the OS I typed:

# cedega -use-pthreads no /mnt/cdrom/JediAcademy.exe
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
x11drv: Can't open display: :0.0

So I tried to run a different file:

# cedega -use-pthreads no /mnt/cdrom/autorun.exe
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
x11drv: Can't open display: :0.0

As a regular use I got the following:

$ cedega /mnt/cdrom/JediAcademy.exe
Your system requires the use of pthreads but the maximum system
allowed stack size of 2052 kB may be too small for some games.
If you experience problems, try rerunning with "-use-pthreads no"
which may help.

and no return for the following:

$ cedega -use-pthreads no /mnt/cdrom/JediAcademy.exe


Since this game is supported by Cedega, I have no idea how I can
install it cuz it has 2 cd's. I've read things like "open two
terminals (Konsole in case you use KDE) and one of them must be root".

Anyway, I need some help here. Whatever docs should be welcome as well.

Best regards,

Romulo Sousa

 




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Re: Login as a root

[Philipp Pagel]

puishor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> every time when I start konsole , I get loging as usual user.

Yes, it's supposed to be that way.

> So... the question is what should i write in .bashrc (eventually plus
> the password) , so that konsole app would login me as a root user by
> default ?

Why on earth would you want to do this?

> I really need that, because I use linux as a desktop , on a single
> machine, so there is no need for any security issues ;I'm the only user
> and the only admin... so I do not need any user...

Same here - I am the only user of my laptop. Still, I really do not want
to do my normal work as root because of security. As normal user I don't
have the power to destroy the system and even more important - the
programs I run do not have root access - so an evil browser plugin or
Openoffice crash cannot harm the system. One of the reasons why viruses
and worms spread so quickly on Windows systems is that most users work
with administrator privileges.

If I need root access I use sudo (and less ofter su). And I really only
need to become root for things like system upgrades or configuration of
new hardware. So I don't see a problem having to type the password on
these rare occasions.

cu
Philipp

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Sarge Upgrade Problem Webmail and Imap

[VFJ - Damiaan Peeters]

Hi

I upgraded our server to sarge. I was running
* Postfix, Squirrelmail (& qpopper)

The upgrade went almost perfect. Only a few small glitches (e.g. the removed
php-gd2 package) could be fixed very quickly. Our website is running a lot
faster than before (thanks to mysql v4, i believe). I also installed the new
* Amavisd-new
* spamassassin
packages, which seems to be working fine at the moment.

The only thing which is (still) broken is imap and webmail.
When i try to log in i get the error message (in squirrelmail):
---
ERROR:
Bad request: The IMAP server is reporting that plain text logins are
disabled. Using CRAM-MD5 or DIGEST-MD5 authentication instead may work.
Also, the use of TLS may allow SquirrelMail to login. Please contact your
system administrator and report this error.
---

I am not very familiar with (very) advanced server configuration (mail &
apache), but i do understand very good the basics and basic security issues.

What is the best (easiest?) way to fix this?

Kind Regards
Damiaan Peeters


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Re: system monitoring software

[Andy Smith]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 11:12:15AM -0600, Cam wrote:
> I'm looking for some software that can do some basic system-monitoring
> tasks (check if services are up and running, hard-drive space, etc). 
> I've been looking at some things like nagios, OpenNMS, and Cacti...
> they all look pretty good (i probably like the looks of nagios the
> best), but i'd like to get some input on what has worked for people in
> the past.

What sort of things do you want to monitor?

For disk space and internet services I am happy with a nagios server
and snmpd on each machine.  It's pretty easy to write plugins for
nagios (at least, Perl ones are easy, don't know about others), so
you can monitor a lot of different things.  It's not suitable for
every monitoring task, however.


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Re: Disk Mirroring in Sarge howto

[Aurélien Campéas]

Le mardi 14 juin 2005 à 09:27 +0530, Siju George a écrit :
> On 6/13/05, Aurélien Campéas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Le lundi 13 juin 2005 à 12:58 +0530, Siju George a écrit :
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I would like to implement Disk mirroring ( Raid1 ) in Debian Sarge. Is
> > > it possible to configure it while installation if I have both hard
> > > disks attached??
> > >
> > > Could someone please tell me what is the easiest way ( steps ) to get
> > > this done???
> > >
> > > I hope it will be easy because the Installer has an option to
> > > configure software RAID but I a not able to get doing it successfully
> > > :-(
> > 
> > Can you give more details about what's going on ? Without much, nobody
> > will be able to help.
> > 
> 
> Thankyou so much Aurélien for responding!

Note that I know next to nothing wrt RAID & Debian. But you need to
explain your concerns better.

> 
> I have two hard disks 40 GB each! I want to have RAID 1 including the
> / partition and boot loader. ie if one hard disk goes down I should be
> able to boot from the other one.
> 
> How do I configure it with the installer??
> 
> I want to have the following partitions in both the hard disk
> 
> / - 500 MB - Primary
> swap - 2 GB - Primary
> /usr - 5 GB - Primary
> /home - 500 MB - Logical
> /tmp - 5 GB - Logical
> /var/log - 5 GB -logical
> /var - rest of the disk - logical

Do you *really* need to split hairs like that ? Do you know the
drawbacks of segmenting your hard drives into so many partitions vs. the
supposed benefits ?


> I prefer ext3 or ReiserFS for file systems.

I now prefer reiserfs over ext3. 

> 
> How should I go about it??? is it possible to configure these
> partitions in the first hard disk and finish the install and then
> later do the mirroring?

I suspect not, but again, I didn't try even once ...

>  or is it possible to do the mirroring also
> during the install???

See Alvin's answer.

Check by yourself : just go ahead and try RAID from the installer ! And
then tell us how it went :)


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Re: Disk Mirroring in Sarge howto

[Siju George]

On 6/14/05, Aurélien Campéas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Le mardi 14 juin 2005 à 09:27 +0530, Siju George a écrit :
> > On 6/13/05, Aurélien Campéas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Le lundi 13 juin 2005 à 12:58 +0530, Siju George a écrit :
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I would like to implement Disk mirroring ( Raid1 ) in Debian Sarge. Is
> > > > it possible to configure it while installation if I have both hard
> > > > disks attached??
> > > >
> > > > Could someone please tell me what is the easiest way ( steps ) to get
> > > > this done???
> > > >
> > > > I hope it will be easy because the Installer has an option to
> > > > configure software RAID but I a not able to get doing it successfully
> > > > :-(
> > >
> > > Can you give more details about what's going on ? Without much, nobody
> > > will be able to help.
> > >
> >
> > Thankyou so much Aurélien for responding!
> 
> Note that I know next to nothing wrt RAID & Debian. But you need to
> explain your concerns better.
> 
> >
> > I have two hard disks 40 GB each! I want to have RAID 1 including the
> > / partition and boot loader. ie if one hard disk goes down I should be
> > able to boot from the other one.
> >
> > How do I configure it with the installer??
> >
> > I want to have the following partitions in both the hard disk
> >
> > / - 500 MB - Primary
> > swap - 2 GB - Primary
> > /usr - 5 GB - Primary
> > /home - 500 MB - Logical
> > /tmp - 5 GB - Logical
> > /var/log - 5 GB -logical
> > /var - rest of the disk - logical
> 
> Do you *really* need to split hairs like that ? Do you know the
> drawbacks of segmenting your hard drives into so many partitions vs. the
> supposed benefits ?
> 
> 
> > I prefer ext3 or ReiserFS for file systems.
> 
> I now prefer reiserfs over ext3.
> 
> >
> > How should I go about it??? is it possible to configure these
> > partitions in the first hard disk and finish the install and then
> > later do the mirroring?
> 
> I suspect not, but again, I didn't try even once ...
> 
> >  or is it possible to do the mirroring also
> > during the install???
> 
> See Alvin's answer.
> 
> Check by yourself : just go ahead and try RAID from the installer ! And
> then tell us how it went :)

Alright friend :-)

I just completed it successfully!

I first created identical partitions in each hard disk and marked them
as RAID Physical volumes. The I created the RAID devices and then
specified mount points and ReiserFS :-)

It worked al right and easy but when I installed the boot loader I
think it got installed only on the hd0 and not on hd1!!!

how do I verify this???

and how can  testif the RAID is woring fine???

Thankyou so much

Kind Regards

Siju

Re: Disk Mirroring in Sarge howto

[Aurélien Campéas]

Le mardi 14 juin 2005 à 16:09 +0530, Siju George a écrit :
> I first created identical partitions in each hard disk and marked them
> as RAID Physical volumes. The I created the RAID devices and then
> specified mount points and ReiserFS :-)
> 
> It worked al right and easy but when I installed the boot loader I
> think it got installed only on the hd0 and not on hd1!!!
> 
> how do I verify this???
> 
> and how can  testif the RAID is woring fine???

I hope someone familiar with RAID reads this ... (now at least you have
given enough context to help your helpers help you)

What is the output of, say, dmesg (after a reboot), mount, and fdisk on
all your drives ? (could be a starting point to see what's happening)

(plize don't send me directly your answers, I'm on the list and need not
receive twice the same messages)

Aurélien.


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Re: Disk Mirroring in Sarge howto

[Clive Menzies]

On (14/06/05 16:09), Siju George wrote:
> Alright friend :-)
> 
> I just completed it successfully!
> 
> I first created identical partitions in each hard disk and marked them
> as RAID Physical volumes. The I created the RAID devices and then
> specified mount points and ReiserFS :-)
> 
> It worked al right and easy but when I installed the boot loader I
> think it got installed only on the hd0 and not on hd1!!!
> 
> how do I verify this???
> 
> and how can  testif the RAID is woring fine???
> 
cat /proc/mdstat

Regards

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Re: Disk Mirroring in Sarge howto

[Aurélien Campéas]

Le mardi 14 juin 2005 à 03:57 -0700, Alvin Oga a écrit :
> 
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Siju George wrote:
> 
> > Yes its partition 2 . what would be an appropriate location???
> > I just followed the BSD way where swap (b) comes immediately after / (a).
> > What is appropriate for linux??
> 
> swap can be anywhere on the disks
> 
> swap is supposedly never used ...

but it is, aggressively -ie even when you still have boatloads of free
ram

> 
> why would you put swap in between ( / ) files you need hundreds of times
> per hour  and /var files and /usr files ... 
>   the head has to skip over swap space
>   -- too much moving of the heads ...
> 
> - ask 100 people the same questions .. you will get 100 different replies
>   for where to put swap and why ... ( experimental data vs "i heard in
>   the grapevine" )
>  

put your swap at the beginning of the disk 
a) no interleaving with proper data
b) this is usually the fastest zone of disks, good for swap

> > so I hope 500 MB is o.k??? or is it more??? :-)
> 
> zero or all of the disk for "user"
> 
> the system should be able to clean itself
>   - log rotates in pariticular
> 
> > 
> > last time I did't check but what would you suggest?? but I've noticed
> > increase upto 100 MB sometimes in a matter of two days.
> 
> 100MB/day  --> and you want 5GB ---> that last you about days
> assuming there is no log rotation and compression 
> 
> /var/log is temporary data
> 
> /var/cache or /var/apt is temporary or not .. depending on what you do
> with the files
> 
> > Could you please explain this a little more to me?
> 
> nah ...

Creating a lot of multiple partition, uh, so as to do like the BSD guys
is a perfect way to burn yourself. 

Unless you know exctly your needs in advance, you probably need only
three partitions : swap, system (everything but /home or /var or ...
whatever moves a lot), moving data (/home , etc. ...)

>   
> > Do you suggets I create a seperate /opt partition??? if so how much size??
> 
> i always use /opt ... and its "all the disks space" that the system doesnt
> use

nobody has to use opt

/usr/local is perfectly fine

>   
> > I 've only used Ext3 till now because I heard data recover is
> > difficult in all others except ext2.
> 
> you should NEVER have to recover data in the first place ..
>   - something else is wrong if you do
> 
>   - if you like fiddling with inodes and meta-data, that'd be fun

that's good advice ...

> 
> > and also I understand that ReiserFS is better than XFS if the system
> > goes down suddenly due to power failure. Don't know much about JFS :-(
> 
> "better" is all relative to what and where's the imperical data or source
> code is what is say
> 
> "power failure problems" is pretty much the same problems for all fs
> 
>   - its a matter of how fast can you write your metadata 
>   without corrupting the rest of the fs that was good prior to
>   the power failing and you have say 2ms to fix it all up and clean
>   up and exit before the disk write head goes bonkers
> 
>   - writing during a power failure is crazy, even if its to flush
>   the cache

Don't forget that common hard drives will lose their cache in case of
power failure ; "sync" is not, in this case, what it says

no journalled FS can help - an UPS can.

> 
> c ya
> alvin
> 
> 



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Re: Disk Mirroring in Sarge howto

[Siju George]

On 6/14/05, Clive Menzies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> cat /proc/mdstat
> 

Thanks a lot Clive :-)

#cat /proc/mdstat
Personalities : [raid1]
md2 : active raid1 hdd3[1]
  4883648 blocks [2/1] [_U]

md3 : active raid1 hda5[0] hdd5[1]
  489856 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md4 : active raid1 hda6[0] hdd6[1]
  1951744 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md5 : active raid1 hda7[0] hdd7[1]
  2931712 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md6 : active raid1 hda8[0] hdd8[1]
  2931712 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md7 : active raid1 hda9[0] hdd9[1]
  23486912 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md1 : active raid1 hda2[0] hdd2[1]
  1951808 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md0 : active raid1 hda1[0] hdd1[1]
  489856 blocks [2/2] [UU]

unused devices: 

So Can I be sure that GRUB was installed on bot hda abd hdd???

If I remove one disk will the other still work???

Thankyou so much once again

kind regards

Siju

[Bit OT] Printers

[Graham Smith]

Hi,

Sorry for the slightly off topic nature of this question but I thought 
this was probably the best place to ask it.


I'm looking to get a half way decent laser printer for my (very) new 
small business. If possible I would like colour but if a sufficiently 
good black and white is available for the right price I will take that 
as it will mostly only be printing packing sheets.


Ideally the printer will live as a separate device on the network but if 
that isn't an option I am happy enough to run it through cups.


In my ideal world it will also have a duplexer or at least be able to 
accept one.


Finally, it _must_ be well supported by Debian (testing) - hence the 
reason for posting the question here - although I suppose if it's a 
network connected PS printer that wouldn't be such an issue.


I would prefer new and I was hoping to pay up to around £300 ($600).

Many thanks for your sage advice.

Graham


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pinning ssh to whatever is current in stable?

[Anonymous]

On a Debian testing system I want to pin the ssh package only to
whatever is the current version from the stable repository.

I've read the APT HOWTO and I think I want to put this stanza in 
/etc/apt/preferences:

Package: ssh
Pin: release a=stable,c=main,o=Debian,l=Debian
Pin-Priority: 1001

Is that correct? Can I get away with not stating "v=..."?

The file is now full of automatically generated stuff by
apt-listbugs. Will apt-listbugs retain my manually added stanza when
it rotates the preferences file? Do I add my stanza at the top or
bottom of the file or does it matter?

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Re: Sarge Upgrade Problem Webmail (Imap)

[VFJ - Damiaan Peeters]

I already tried to configure squirrelmail using all login methods, although
i have nothing special configured (like MD5 or TLS).
BTW i believe it is $imap_auth_mech not $imap_auth_meth.

Below there is a connect to my imap server. There is one word which cought
my attention: "LOGINDISABLED".  This is not good i guess.
---
platform6:/home/dampee# telnet localhost 143
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to platform6.
Escape character is '^]'.
* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] platform6
IMAP4rev1 2003.339 at Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:45:15 +0200 (CEST)
001 Capability
* CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 IDLE NAMESPACE MAILBOX-REFERRALS BINARY UNSELECT SCAN
SORT THREAD=REFERENCES THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT MULTIAPPEND LOGIN-REFERRALS
STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED
001 OK CAPABILITY completed
---

In meanwhile, I also tried to connect using Microsoft Outlook express (...
yes yes), but no luck either.

Option 1: (Allow plain text logins) is ok for me, there on the same machine.
The question is... How do i do that?

Option 2: Been there, done that, no luck...

Kind regards
Damiaan

- Original Message -
From: Dennis Stosberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: Sarge Upgrade Problem Webmail (Imap)
The error message tells you that your imap server does not allow a
plain text login.  This is usually good practice, since passwords
are transmitted over the wire in clear text with this authentication
method.

However, your squirrelmail was configured to do plain authentication
only.  So squirrelmail and your imap server share no common
authentication method and thus cannot communicate.

Option 1: Allow plain text logins on your imap server.  Only do
  this if your squirrelmail web server and the imap server
  are on the same machine.  And even then make sure the
  imap server accepts plain text logins from the loop
  interface only.

Option 2: Make squirrelmail use a more secure authentication
  method.  Have a look at "/etc/squirrelmail/conf.pl",
  esp. on $imap_auth_meth and $use_imap_tls.

To see which authentication methods your imap server supports you can
telnet into it:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# telnet localhost 143
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
* OK IMAP4 ready.
001 capability
* CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 IDLE AUTH=LOGIN AUTH=CRAM-MD5
001 OK CAPABILITY completed
001 logout

Regards,
Dennis

Am 14.06.2005 um 09:06 schrieb VFJ - Damiaan Peeters:

> When i try to log in i get the error message:
> ERROR:
> Bad request: The IMAP server is reporting that plain text logins
> are disabled. Using CRAM-MD5 or DIGEST-MD5 authentication instead
> may work. Also, the use of TLS may allow SquirrelMail to
> login. Please contact your system administrator and report this
> error.
>
> I am not very familiar with (very) advanced server configuration
> (mail & apache), but i do understand very good the basics and
> basic security issues.
>
> What is the best (easiest?) way to fix this?


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Re: Disk Mirroring in Sarge howto

[Siju George]

On 6/14/05, Rhomboid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just tried to install Sarge yesterday with RAID (md) from the initial
> setup on a machine. I tried RAID-0 and RAID-1 and both times the
> installation failed on grub-install. It just hung. The third time I let
> it sit for about 5 hours and when I got home it was still hung. LILO
> failed as well and couldn't find hda (no such device).
> 
> AMD Athlon 1.2GHz (tbird)
> 512MB PC2100
> Nvidia GF3 64MB
> Asus A7M266
> 2x WD JB 40GB (hda/hdb, tried RAID on these, using md)
> 1x IBM 16GB (hdc, used for swap and /var)
> Adaptec aic7xxx (onboard SCSI)
> Plextor SCSI Ultraplex CD
> Seagate SCSI Scorpion DAT 20GB
> Intel EEPro 100
> 
> Tried setting both WD drives bootable at one point, always selected MBR
> for bootloader installation. I know it may have been "better" to put one
> half of the RAID on the other controller but this was just an experiment
> to see if it would even work on initial install.
> 
> System installed just fine later without RAID.
> 

Hi Rhomboid,

I fllowed these steps to get it right

 If you want to install Sarge with RAID-1, create identical
partitions on both disks and tell Sarge you want to use them as
Physical Volume for RAID.  Then go into the Sarge Configure software
RAID menu and create MD devices (RAID volumes) -- you will be prompted
for the partitions to use for each RAID volume.

Once the RAID volumes are created you can continue specifying mount
point, FS type, etc for each volume exactly as you would for a normal
disk partition.

I am not sure if GRUB is on both the DISKs

DID you mark the volumes active of bot the disks while creating RAID volumes??

the RAID works fine

--
# cat /proc/mdstat
Personalities : [raid1]
md2 : active raid1 hdd3[1]
  4883648 blocks [2/1] [_U]

md3 : active raid1 hda5[0] hdd5[1]
  489856 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md4 : active raid1 hda6[0] hdd6[1]
  1951744 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md5 : active raid1 hda7[0] hdd7[1]
  2931712 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md6 : active raid1 hda8[0] hdd8[1]
  2931712 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md7 : active raid1 hda9[0] hdd9[1]
  23486912 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md1 : active raid1 hda2[0] hdd2[1]
  1951808 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md0 : active raid1 hda1[0] hdd1[1]
  489856 blocks [2/2] [UU]

unused devices: 
---

thankyou so much

kind regards

Siju

Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Steve C. Lamb]

On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 09:42:02PM -0700, David E. Fox wrote:
> The load time - at least to me - is a rather specious argument. Most
> people, I would think, would keep the WM up and running as long as the
> box is (personally, this box has been up for nearly four months, and I
> could count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've
> restarted X/KDE). (I don't have or use a laptop, and I realize that
> wouldn't really apply to those people on laptops.)

Not that it matters much.  My work laptop from about 3 years ago ran KDE
and I had 2 docks set up for it.  One at work, one at home.  So it was
rebooted twice a day except on weekends.  Walk into work, slide it into the
dock, turn it on, walk off to get my morning cup of cocoa/soda, by the time I
was back it was up.  *shrug*

I liked that setup so much that when I moved on I kept the home dock
(bought it with my own funds) and purchased an identical laptop off of eBay.
It has served me well for 3 years though nowadays I run XFCE4 instead of KDE.
If I had a beefier laptop that I'd put Debian on[*] I'd run KDE again.

> I don't really like GNOME. That's just a personal feeling; I just find
> it a bit more "clunky" in comparison with KDE. 

I never liked why GNOME came about.  KDE was formed to make a decent
desktop for 'nixes.  GNOME was formed because people didn't like KDE's choice
of QT and wanted to kill it.  Odd sidenote, though, I prefer GTK to QT.  

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[VFJ - Damiaan Peeters]

We do have a server running.
It's running apache(1.3.33), php4, mysql 4, postfix, amavisd-new,
spamassassin, ...

Now we want to set up some newletters (or mailinglists).

I know that there is a lot on the market
* Mailman
* Smartlist
* MajorDomo
* Listserv
* ...

Which one should we use?
Things that are very important to me:
* I have several list owners each managing there own list(s)
* Not to hard to administer for the list owners  (webinterface = ok, shell =
nok)
* A translation should be possible (to dutch)

I am looking for a program that is not to hard to integrate with our
existing configuration.  ;-)

Kind Regards
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ReiserFS warning while adding debian mirror on Sarge

[Siju George]

hi all,

I think I have seen this warning atleast three times as I installed
Sarge with ReiserFS as file system both with and with out RAID1.

ReiserFS: md7: warning: vs-8115: get_num_ver: not directory item
ReiserFS: md7: warning: vs-8115: get_num_ver: not directory item
ReiserFS: md7: warning: vs-8115: get_num_ver: not directory item
ReiserFS: md7: warning: vs-8115: get_num_ver: not directory item
ReiserFS: md7: warning: vs-8115: get_num_ver: not directory item
ReiserFS: md7: warning: vs-8115: get_num_ver: not directory item

It hapens every time I add the apt source

deb http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/ stable main
deb-src http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/ stable main

during apt configuration while installing Sarge.

other mirrors don't show this problem



deb http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ stable main
deb-src http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ stable main

deb http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/ stable main
deb-src http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/ stable main

deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
/etc/apt/sources.list (END)

---

Is this a critical error?? is there a problem with the particular mirror???

Thankyou so much

kind regards

Siju

Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Steve C. Lamb]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 06:25:08AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> But neither XFCE nor KDE are window managers. They are desktop
> environments. This is a common misconception among people discussing
> "graphical environments" for X.

Both incorporate the functionality of WMs into them.  Personoal preference
is that a "pure" WM is too barebones.  I never quite understood the logic
behind requiring command line tools and text files to configure a graphical
environment.

Also calling XFCE a desktop environment is pushing it a little.  It
certainly does not have the integration of KDE or GNOME and there's very
little that goes on the desktop.  It has a panel/kicker (choose your idiom)
and a task switcher.  Both of which can be shut off and both of which can be
added to a "pure" WM.

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Re: Disk Mirroring in Sarge howto

[Clive Menzies]

On (14/06/05 16:52), Siju George wrote:
> On 6/14/05, Clive Menzies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > cat /proc/mdstat
> > 
> 
> Thanks a lot Clive :-)
> 
> #cat /proc/mdstat
> Personalities : [raid1]
> md2 : active raid1 hdd3[1]
>   4883648 blocks [2/1] [_U]
> 
> md3 : active raid1 hda5[0] hdd5[1]
>   489856 blocks [2/2] [UU]
> 
> md4 : active raid1 hda6[0] hdd6[1]
>   1951744 blocks [2/2] [UU]
> 
> md5 : active raid1 hda7[0] hdd7[1]
>   2931712 blocks [2/2] [UU]
> 
> md6 : active raid1 hda8[0] hdd8[1]
>   2931712 blocks [2/2] [UU]
> 
> md7 : active raid1 hda9[0] hdd9[1]
>   23486912 blocks [2/2] [UU]
> 
> md1 : active raid1 hda2[0] hdd2[1]
>   1951808 blocks [2/2] [UU]
> 
> md0 : active raid1 hda1[0] hdd1[1]
>   489856 blocks [2/2] [UU]
> 
> unused devices: 
> 
> So Can I be sure that GRUB was installed on bot hda abd hdd???
> 
> If I remove one disk will the other still work???

Hi Siju

which is your /boot partition... md2 (hdd3)?  In which case you need to do
something like:

mdadm --add hda3 (to md2  I forget the syntax but it should be in
those reference links I posted or man mdadm.  However, I think I also
read in one of those that it is better to install the /boot partition
directly to the additional drive before adding it to the raid array.
Have a look through the references but I think Roberto suggested this to
you or someone else doing raid currently.

There was a post from Alvin in the last 6months which gave a pretty
thorough run down on how to test your raid setup; it involved yanking
one disk and pulling the power supply ;)  worth searching the archive
for  try in google:

site:lists.debian.org debian-user alvin raid 2005 test

 brings up 33 entries;)

Regards

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Thomas Adam]

--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I never quite understood the
> logic
> behind requiring command line tools and text files to configure a
> graphical
> environment.

No?  See this:

http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fvwm/user_enumerate.html

> Also calling XFCE a desktop environment is pushing it a little.

No, it's the exact, and proper definition.

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Steve C. Lamb]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 05:35:23PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
> A Desktop Environment provides a full framework of integrated
> applications (such as a file manager, office applications, etc.) that
> all share the same theme.  Often common options applied to one program,
> will affect the other components, because they're related.

Oddly enough when you said "share a common theme" my first reaction is
"that's a WM" as a WM controls the widgets on the application which is part of
the theme.

> A Window Manager, on the other hand, does just that -- it manages
> windows.  It doesn't dictate a file manager -- if you want one, you can
> use one.  There's no interoperability or common functions shared
> between programs, like there is with DEs.  It certainly provides a
> great deal more flexibility.

So how does XFCE4 fail that test?  Let's see, I have 3 file managers to
choose from.  XFFM, Konqueror, Nautilus.  Those were configured automagically.
I could add more if I like, just like a WM.

BTW, when trying to rid myself of Windows earlier this year I was using
Nautilus under KDE as installed by Ubuntu.
 
> So in that way, WMs are much faster, and most WMs are damn good at
> managing the windows mapped to them.

Actually I've found WMs lacking at managing windows.  I consider starting
a window with the desired application part of good management.  Configuring
that portion for most WMs is a PITA.  The other portions they are equal to the
DEs like KDE/Gnome and the odd-man-out that is XFCE4.

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Steve C. Lamb]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 05:56:46PM +0100, Simon Huggins wrote:
> I need to compile up 4.2.2 packages for sarge and bung them on the
> alioth page at some point.

Mmmm, upgrades.  I really should see if there's something later than 4.0.6
out.  :D

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Steve C. Lamb]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 02:00:18PM -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> Having been a loyal IceWM user since Potato was new I recently switched
> to Xfce4 to see what it could do for me.  Well, IceWM has /never/
> crashed on me in all that time.  Last week Xfce4 crashed on me five
> times.  Other than that, yes, it's a good compromise*.
> I've gone back to the tried and true IceWM.

I'd be curious as to why XFCE4 is crashing on you.  Just recently I ended
a 73 day uptime on my laptop.  XFCE4 was in use the entire time, not a single
crash.  Most common applications used were Thunderbird, Firefox, OpenOffice,
Azureus and GNOME's Terminal.  The only thing that crashed regularly was
Azureus at 2.2.0.0 and 2.3.0.0 because of a lack of memory on this machine and
JAVA's pigishness.  

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Steve C. Lamb]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 10:09:31PM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote:
> I reckon ;)  Having started with KDE and switched to xfce, it seems an
> excellent compromise.  I tried a few WM's and icewm came close to what I
> was looking for but it was just a bit too light on frills and whistles.
> Whereas xfce has some really useful features without the bloat of KDE.

I'm betting one of them is the launch bar.  Loved it in KDE and when I had
to regain some memory only XFCE4 had it.  Can't understand how anyone can live
without it.  :D

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Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

[Brian Kimsey-Hickman]

Thanks Kent, that did the trick

"touch /etc/X11/Xserver" followed by "apt-get dist-upgrade -f"

I am still having problems with a few application but at least my
installations are not erring out like they were before.

Brian

Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Thomas Adam]

--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oddly enough when you said "share a common theme" my first
> reaction is
> "that's a WM" as a WM controls the widgets on the application which
> is part of
> the theme.

No, I meant it from an aesthetical point of view only.  Umm, where did
you get the idea that a WM controls the widgets on an application? 
That's not true.

> So how does XFCE4 fail that test?  Let's see, I have 3 file
> managers to
> choose from.  XFFM, Konqueror, Nautilus.  Those were configured
> automagically.
> I could add more if I like, just like a WM.

Because XFCE4 has XFFM built into it -- that's the file manager that is
used.  Yes, you can use another one if you like, but that commonality
between applications will then be lost.
 
> BTW, when trying to rid myself of Windows earlier this year I was
> using
> Nautilus under KDE as installed by Ubuntu.

Yes, that's your right to do so.

> Actually I've found WMs lacking at managing windows.  I consider
> starting
> a window with the desired application part of good management. 
> Configuring
> that portion for most WMs is a PITA.  The other portions they are

Configuring that aspect is usually what makes the whole process fun,
IMO.  I am curious though which WMs you feel were "lacking" in that
regard.  I'd have said the issue isn't so much with the WM, as it might
have been with the application, for reasons I won't bore you with.

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Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

[Brian Kimsey-Hickman]

Kevin,

Thanks, for the device.  I used a touch command follow by an apt-get
mentioned in a previous post to get past that error.

I was having problems with Apache, PHP4, proftpd and MySQL.   I got
past most of those by installing the Webmin module which seem to
initiated a re-installation of the apps.  Seems strange to me but it
worked.

Most everything seems to be working now but what a ride.

Thanks,

Brian

On 6/14/05, Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 08:17:25PM -0400, Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote:
> > Help me please!
> >
> > I have mistakenly trusted the Debian community and upgraded to Sarge
> > and it is a DISASTER.
> >
> > HOW COULD YOU HAVE DONE THIS TO US ! ! !
> >
> > (Reading database ... 70119 files and directories currently installed.)
> > Removing xserver-rage128 ...
> > sed: can't read /etc/X11/Xserver: No such file or directory
> > dpkg: error processing xserver-rage128 (--remove):
> >   subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
> Hi Brian,
> I'd look at the post removal script and see if you can:
> 1) find out how to fix the problem to allow the script to work on a
> re-run
> (these are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-rage128.*)
> 2) make a hack to allow you to remove the package and then reinstall it
> after every other package is upgrade WITH APTITUDE.
> 
> The stable release notes say to upgrade apt first and then use aptitude
> for the dist-upgrade. READ THE DEBIAN-USER LIST ARCHIVE from the last
> week for many, many good hint and info. And like Nixon said 'trust, but
> verify'. While Debian has super-cow powers, some times there is a fly in
> the ointment. Now back to our regularly scheduled program...
> 
> BTW how many packages upgrade ok, how may didn't?
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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Steve C. Lamb]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 12:58:29PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
> No?  See this:
 
> http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fvwm/user_enumerate.html

Doesn't change my opinion.  I believe it was either Larry or Guido (one of
those P language makers) who once said that what makes a language suited for a
particular task is what it makes easy to do and what it makes hard to do.  So
why should something which I do all the time and can be made simple be
purposely made hard.

KDE/XFCE: I want to start an application which I've just installed.  I
know the command name for it.  Both have a launch bar.  I enter the name, it
starts up.

Damn.  That was easy!  So easy in fact that 80% of the time I don't
configure a launch button for any particular application.

Want to do the same with a "pure" WM.  Step 1: open a CLI.  Step 2: enter
the command name.  Step 3: close the CLI.  Step 4: realize I forgot &! at the
end of the command.  Step 5: reopen CLI.  Step 6: type in the command name and
&!.  Step 7: close CLI.

What if I want a fancy button.  XFCE RMB on the launcher, add new item,
launcher, enter the command name, close.  Done.  Damn.  That was easy!

Want to do the same with a "pure" WM.  Step 1: open a CLI.  Step 2: CD to
the right directory.  Step 2a: create it if it doesn't exist.  Step 3: Fire up
the editor on the right text file.  Step 3a: create it if it doesn't exist.
Step 4: try to find the right location for the menu.  Step 5: Enter the
configuration information in the proper format.  Step 6: Save and exit editor.
Step 7: exit CLI.  Step 8, this is my faborite...  RESTART THE WM SO IT CAN
LOAD THE NEW CONFIGURATION!  Step 9: Pray for no typos or redo 1-8.

Yes, I am fully aware of the power behind text configuration.  I however
am not about to put on the blinders and say that all configuration should be
done through text and that text is appropriate for all configuration.  Basic
configuration should be provided in a simple manner.  WMs don't do that.

> No, it's the exact, and proper definition.

And yet it performs hardly any of the fuctions attributed to DEs like
KDE/GNOME or Winders. 

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Re: Exim4: disablign delay in flushing mail queues

[Benedict Verheyen]

Micha Feigin wrote:

When I use fetchmail to import my mail through exim4 it only flushes the first
few messages imidiatly and the rest are delayed quite a bit unless I do 
/etc/init.d/exim4 restart.

Any way to disable this behaviour with exim?
 
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this is set at 30 minutes (-q30m). If you take a smaller number for that 
the queue should be cleaned quicker.

Or you can manually start a queuerunner (or several): qrun &
Check the exim site and the docs to see what options are dealing with 
the number of messages that will be handled in 1 go.
I had to actually tune my system to only take 10 as it would slow my 
server to a crawl (spamassassin, clamv and so on) whenever a huge load

of mails came in.

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Steve C. Lamb]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 04:49:27AM -0700, Steve C. Lamb wrote:
> I liked that setup so much that when I moved on I kept the home dock
> (bought it with my own funds) and purchased an identical laptop off of eBay.
> It has served me well for 3 years though nowadays I run XFCE4 instead of KDE.
> If I had a beefier laptop that I'd put Debian on[*] I'd run KDE again.

Meh, put a star there for a later note and forgot to enter it at the
bottom.  So, here it is...

[*]  "That I would run Debian on" meaning I am seriously looking at a
powerbook or ibook as my next laptop purchase.  Mac experience would help on
my resume and with basically FreeBSD as the underlying OS I would be running a
'nix variant with excellen commercial support.  I always thought that a OSX
mac would be a good non-gaming machine for serious productivity work because
of its lineage and appeal to commercial vendors.  Of course my lasy job had a
requirement on IE6 and MS had only ported IE5 to OSX.  Go fig.  >.<

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Steve C. Lamb]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 01:08:25PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
> No, I meant it from an aesthetical point of view only.  Umm, where did
> you get the idea that a WM controls the widgets on an application? 
> That's not true.

The fact that when you shut down the WM without shutting down X the window
border along with the close/minimize/maximize buttons (aka, the widgets)
disappear?  :P

> Because XFCE4 has XFFM built into it -- that's the file manager that is
> used.  Yes, you can use another one if you like, but that commonality
> between applications will then be lost.

Uh, no, it doesn't.  XFFM is a separate application.  XFFM can be used
with ICEWM if you so chose.  Don't believe me?  Do an apt-cache show xffm4 and
read the suggests line:

Suggests: xfwm4, xfce4

Not requires.  Not depends.  Suggests.  
  
> Configuring that aspect is usually what makes the whole process fun,
> IMO.  I am curious though which WMs you feel were "lacking" in that
> regard.  I'd have said the issue isn't so much with the WM, as it might
> have been with the application, for reasons I won't bore you with.

Hrm, which WMs did I use in the past?  FVWM2, WM, BB, a few others that
were supposed to be the kitty's titties but I uninstalled in about 5m flat
because they were completely lacking.  IceWM was one that I used for about a
year but even so it was too minimalistic for me.  KDE was a good standard.
GNOME was just wacked.  XFCE4 seems to be an excellent compromise.

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Re: Gwebdec (Solved)

[Kent West]

David R. Litwin wrote:

> Now that's a fine Idea.

and in the "Gwebdec" thread he wrote:

> No. Gwebdec is a Webshots for Linux, in essence.


and in the "ifconfig" thread he wrote:

> Firslty, I'm not quite sure what you mean by the Top Post Thread
> Comment. I've not been paying attention to it. Should I? It seems it
> discusses the pros and cons of putting a post in a new E-Mail, or
> inserting it in to the last one. If this is so, which should I be doing?


No, the "Top-Posting" thread discusses the merits of replying to an
email by putting your reply at the top of the previous message text, at
the bottom, or interspersed throughout. It also discusses trimming away
unnecessary text, and leaving enough text to provide context for your reply.

In each of the three replies above, you've erased all evidence of the
previous emails to which you're responding. The only way that list
readers will know what you're talking about is to either remember the
context from previous emails (and that's a considerable burden to place
on the readers with such a high-volume mailing list) or to go back and
look at the previous emails in the archives (again, a burden you're
placing on your readers).

In the second quote above, I assume you're responding to someone who
guessed what Gwebdec is, but got it wrong; you're correcting him. But
I'm not going to spend my time and effort to go find the previous email
to get the context. Instead, I'm just going to dangle, making
assumptions about what your email is all about.

In the first quote above, the situation is even worse. What is a fine
idea? Installing Gwebdec? Installing it via make? Installing the GTK 2.0
dev libraries? Exiting from root? Without context, all we can do is
remember or go search the archives or assume.

Concerning top-posting, lots of people have been trained in recent years
by certain (*ahem*) email programs to put their replies to messages at
the top of the previous email. After three or four rounds of this,
you've got an entire conversation that's written backwards. That's okay
in some contexts, but for reasons I won't go into here (see the thread
for more info), most of us on this list find that to be, well, backwards.

Instead, you should intersperse your comments just after the material to
which you're replying, just as happens in real life. For example, you
write an email that says:

> My dog is smart.
> My girlfriend is pretty.
> My mom loves me.


And I reply:

> Yeah, but do you let her lick your face?
>
>> My dog is smart.
>> My girlfriend is pretty.
>> My mom loves me.
>

Am I talking about your dog, your girlfriend, or your mom (ew-w-w!)? If
I instead reply like so:

>> My dog is smart.
>
> Yeah, but do you let her lick your face?
>
>> My girlfriend is pretty.
>> My mom loves me.
>
then it's pretty clear I'm talking about your dog.



Thanks for letting us know that you got Gwebdec working.

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Re: gnome-panel .. gone .. #@!!!!

[Cliff Flood]

James Miller wrote, on 06/09/05 13:43:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  gnome-panel: Depends: libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4) but it is not going to 
be installed
   Depends: libecal6 (>= 1.0.4) but it is not going to be 
installed
   Depends: libedataserver3 (>= 1.0.4) but it is not going 
to be installed
   Depends: libgnome-desktop-2 (>= 2.8.0) but it is not 
going to be installed
   Depends: libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0) but it is not going to be 
installed
   Depends: libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.8.0) but it is not going to 
be installed
   Depends: libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.8.3-7) but it is not going 
to be installed
   Depends: libpanel-applet2-0 (>= 2.8.3) but it is not 
going to be installed
   Depends: gnome-session (>= 2.8.1-4) but it is not going 
to be installed
   Depends: gnome-control-center (>= 1:2.8.1-3) but it is 
not going to be installed

E: Broken packages
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$


Having been running unstable for quite a while and regularly 
upgrading/dist-upgrading I too walked blindly into a post-Sarge release 
dist-upgrade and now have a broken Gnome.


I've read through this thread and see that people are having or had the 
same problem as I did. However the solution which seemed to work for 
some, "apt-get -f install gnome-panel" doesn't work for me as I still 
get a list of unmet dependencies, some of which are actually installed 
and have the right version numbers.


Is there anything I can do to fix it and restore my nicely configured, 
efficient Gnome working environment? :)


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Re: Disk Mirroring in Sarge howto

[Alvin Oga]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Siju George wrote:

> Yes its partition 2 . what would be an appropriate location???
> I just followed the BSD way where swap (b) comes immediately after / (a).
> What is appropriate for linux??

swap can be anywhere on the disks

swap is supposedly never used ...

why would you put swap in between ( / ) files you need hundreds of times
per hour  and /var files and /usr files ... 
the head has to skip over swap space
-- too much moving of the heads ...

- ask 100 people the same questions .. you will get 100 different replies
  for where to put swap and why ... ( experimental data vs "i heard in
  the grapevine" )
 
> so I hope 500 MB is o.k??? or is it more??? :-)

zero or all of the disk for "user"

the system should be able to clean itself
- log rotates in pariticular

> 
> last time I did't check but what would you suggest?? but I've noticed
> increase upto 100 MB sometimes in a matter of two days.

100MB/day  --> and you want 5GB ---> that last you about days
assuming there is no log rotation and compression 

/var/log is temporary data

/var/cache or /var/apt is temporary or not .. depending on what you do
with the files

> Could you please explain this a little more to me?

nah ...
  
> Do you suggets I create a seperate /opt partition??? if so how much size??

i always use /opt ... and its "all the disks space" that the system doesnt
use
  
> I 've only used Ext3 till now because I heard data recover is
> difficult in all others except ext2.

you should NEVER have to recover data in the first place ..
- something else is wrong if you do

- if you like fiddling with inodes and meta-data, that'd be fun

> and also I understand that ReiserFS is better than XFS if the system
> goes down suddenly due to power failure. Don't know much about JFS :-(

"better" is all relative to what and where's the imperical data or source
code is what is say

"power failure problems" is pretty much the same problems for all fs

- its a matter of how fast can you write your metadata 
without corrupting the rest of the fs that was good prior to
the power failing and you have say 2ms to fix it all up and clean
up and exit before the disk write head goes bonkers

- writing during a power failure is crazy, even if its to flush
the cache

c ya
alvin


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Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote:

Help me please!

I have mistakenly trusted the Debian community and upgraded to Sarge
and it is a DISASTER.

HOW COULD YOU HAVE DONE THIS TO US ! ! !





THIS IS INEXCUSABLE ! ! !


I find this on DEBACLE:

NOUN:	1. A sudden, disastrous collapse, downfall, or defeat; a rout. 2. 
A total, often ludicrous failure. 3. The breaking up of ice in a river. 
4. A violent flood.



Nothing on DEBOCLE.

Buy RedHat or SUSE.

H


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Forcing a PCMCIA card to a specific eth?

[Steve C. Lamb]

Quick question I've not been able to find an answer for.  Google hath
failed me!  I've got a Netgear 10/100 PCMCIA ethernet card.  I had put in my
modules alias file the module that loads for that card as eth1.  However when
I pop the card into the slot it registers at eth0 and uses the configuration
I've set up for my dock.  Kind of a pain now that I need one configuration for
home (the dock) and one for work (the PCMCIA card).  

After tackling this problem I get to figure out wireless so I can use the
PCMCIA slot as a wireless access point when at home.

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Thomas Adam]

--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Want to do the same with a "pure" WM.  Step 1: open a CLI.  Step
> 2: enter
> the command name.  Step 3: close the CLI.  Step 4: realize I forgot
> &! at the
> end of the command.  Step 5: reopen CLI.  Step 6: type in the command
> name and
> &!.  Step 7: close CLI.

Yup -- and therein lies the difference between the two.
 
> Want to do the same with a "pure" WM.  Step 1: open a CLI.  Step
> 2: CD to
> the right directory.  Step 2a: create it if it doesn't exist.  Step
> 3: Fire up
> the editor on the right text file.  Step 3a: create it if it doesn't
> exist.
> Step 4: try to find the right location for the menu.  Step 5: Enter
> the
> configuration information in the proper format.  Step 6: Save and
> exit editor.
> Step 7: exit CLI.  Step 8, this is my faborite...  RESTART THE WM SO
> IT CAN
> LOAD THE NEW CONFIGURATION!  Step 9: Pray for no typos or redo 1-8.

Sure -- but at least doing it that way means you yourself have defined
how it is to operate, rather than relying on the existing operability
of what's available.  I have no doubt that right-clicking (or whatever)
on XFCE's panel thing to add a new button is intuitive to some -- but
so what?  What if I didn't like that?  What if I wanted to do it some
other way?  With a WM I would have to define all of these things myself
(to a lesser or greater extent, depending on the WM) -- but the
advantage is that I took the time to do it myself, so I _know_ how it
works, and what to expect.
 
> Yes, I am fully aware of the power behind text configuration.  I
> however
> am not about to put on the blinders and say that all configuration
> should be
> done through text and that text is appropriate for all configuration.

In certain circumstances I agree.

>  Basic
> configuration should be provided in a simple manner.  WMs don't do
> that.

Simple manner?  That's subjective.

> > No, it's the exact, and proper definition.
> 
> And yet it performs hardly any of the fuctions attributed to DEs
> like
> KDE/GNOME or Winders. 

It still provides inherent look and feel across those applications that
XFCE supports.

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Thomas Adam]

--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The fact that when you shut down the WM without shutting down X
> the window
> border along with the close/minimize/maximize buttons (aka, the
> widgets)
> disappear?  :P

Those are window decorations that the WM defined, so of course they'd
disappear -- but the widgets of the _application_ will still be there. 
The window decoration is part of the application.
 
> Uh, no, it doesn't.  XFFM is a separate application.  XFFM can be

I meant that in terms of it is still used and recognised by XFCE.

> Hrm, which WMs did I use in the past?  FVWM2, WM, BB, a few
> others that
> were supposed to be the kitty's titties but I uninstalled in about 5m
> flat
> because they were completely lacking.  IceWM was one that I used for

Completely lacking _how_?  

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Clive Menzies]

On (14/06/05 12:58), Thomas Adam wrote:
> --- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I never quite understood the
> > logic
> > behind requiring command line tools and text files to configure a
> > graphical
> > environment.
> 
> No?  See this:
> 
> http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fvwm/user_enumerate.html

Thanks Thomas

Whenever I've looked at pure WM's I've always floundered.  When I've got
some time I'll revisit fvwm on the strength of your excellent
explanation;)

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Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

[Kent West]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

> Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote:
>
>> Help me please!
>
>
> I find this on DEBACLE:
>
> NOUN:... failure 
>
>
> Nothing on DEBOCLE.
>
> Buy RedHat or SUSE.

Oh. Do they have spellcheck?

(I'm kidding-g-g-g! No need to flame me. Although a nice flame-broiled
Whopper sounds pretty good about now . . . .)

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Canon MF3110 a linux

[Robert Bitala]

dobry den

mam tlačiareň Canon MF3110 a chcel by som ju pouzivat pod linuxom. 
Momentalne mam nainstalovany Danix.

Je mozné ju rozchodit pod Danixom prípadne iným linuxom? Ak áno, ako?
(nedarí sa mi zohnat driver).

Dakujem


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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Clive Menzies]

On (14/06/05 13:08), Thomas Adam wrote:
> --- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Oddly enough when you said "share a common theme" my first
> > reaction is
> > "that's a WM" as a WM controls the widgets on the application which
> > is part of
> > the theme.
> 
> No, I meant it from an aesthetical point of view only.  Umm, where did
> you get the idea that a WM controls the widgets on an application? 
> That's not true.
> 
> > So how does XFCE4 fail that test?  Let's see, I have 3 file
> > managers to
> > choose from.  XFFM, Konqueror, Nautilus.  Those were configured
> > automagically.
> > I could add more if I like, just like a WM.
> 
> Because XFCE4 has XFFM built into it -- that's the file manager that is
> used.  Yes, you can use another one if you like, but that commonality
> between applications will then be lost.

I use xfe (file manager) on xfce and it seems fairly integrated but not
to the extent of xffm

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Anthony Campbell]

On 14 Jun 2005, Steve C. Lamb wrote:
> 
[snip] 

> Actually I've found WMs lacking at managing windows.  I consider starting
> a window with the desired application part of good management.  Configuring
> that portion for most WMs is a PITA.  The other portions they are equal to the
> DEs like KDE/Gnome and the odd-man-out that is XFCE4.
> 
It's certainly pretty easy in Icewm. You just add a suitable line in the
menu file and it then appears in the menu list when you press Ctrl-Esc.

Example:

prog "Mutt" xterm xterm -T Mutt -fg ivory -bg gray35 -fn 8x13bold -geom 120x45 
-e mutt 
prog "News" xterm xterm -T News -fg gray35  -bg bisque -fn 9x15bold -geom 
120x45 -e slrn 
prog "Mozilla"  mozilla mozilla 

These can be added or deleted on the fly and then activated by
refreshing Icewm without stopping it.

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Steve C. Lamb]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 01:38:35PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
> Sure -- but at least doing it that way means you yourself have defined
> how it is to operate, rather than relying on the existing operability
> of what's available.

And you have done any less?  Unless you coded the WM you are only using
what the WM offers to you.  No less, no more.

> What if I didn't like that?  What if I wanted to do it some
> other way?

Such as?  You're implying that there's something magical going on without
giving specifics upon which to discuss.

> With a WM I would have to define all of these things myself (to a lesser or
> greater extent, depending on the WM) -- but the advantage is that I took the
> time to do it myself, so I _know_ how it works, and what to expect.
 
No.  You know how it can be configured.  Again, unless you're digging in
the code, you don't know how it works.  The point I am making is that the two
are not mutually exclusive.  I like the 80% rule.  IE, if something does 80%
of what is need well then the other 20% can be hard.  That is especially true
if the 80% that is easy is what people are going to do 80% of the time anyway.
Text configuration of a WM is 20% well, 80% hard.  Unacceptable.  Simply
adding a launch button, which is a common application, should not be hard just
for a learning experience.  Make it easy.  If I need more than the basic
application I can RTFM.  It is your mentality which is why vi is so rough for
people to learn up front even though IMHO a variant of vi(m) is one of the
best damn editors out there and I use it religiously.  Want to know why?
*Because they made the easy things easy to find and learn.*  The harder
concepts I learn when I need to.
 
> > Basic configuration should be provided in a simple manner.  WMs don't do
> > that.
 
> Simple manner?  That's subjective.

No.  It's rather objective I think.  Can I do it:
A: without 3 other tools.
B: opening another application unrelated to the application at hand.
C: in a manner which is understandable with minimal documentation in under 5m.
D: in a manner which fits about 80% of my needs?

That'd be easy because it's at hand, readily consumed and I'd be off doing
something else in a short amount of time.

> > > No, it's the exact, and proper definition.
 
> > And yet it performs hardly any of the fuctions attributed to DEs like
> > KDE/GNOME or Winders. 
 
> It still provides inherent look and feel across those applications that XFCE
> supports.

So you're saying that TK is a DE?  Or MOTIF?  GTK?  QT?  

How about Windowmaker?  I mean you toss in the panel/kicker that it has
along with the plugins designed for it they provide a consistant look and
feel.  

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Steve C. Lamb]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 01:41:32PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
> --- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Uh, no, it doesn't.  XFFM is a separate application.  XFFM can be
 
> I meant that in terms of it is still used and recognised by XFCE.

But Natilus and Konqueror were recognized so clearly they are integrated
with XFCE by your narrow limitation.

> > Hrm, which WMs did I use in the past?  FVWM2, WM, BB, a few others
> > that were supposed to be the kitty's titties but I uninstalled in about 5m
> > flat because they were completely lacking.  IceWM was one that I used for
 
> Completely lacking _how_?  

Uhm, isn't that what I went into in my other message?  Part of managing a
window is being able to easily and readily configure opening/closing windows
(and the applications in thos windows).  Most fail spectacularly on that
point.

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Re: [Bit OT] Printers

[michael]

On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 12:35 +0100, Graham Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Sorry for the slightly off topic nature of this question but I thought 
> this was probably the best place to ask it.
> 
> I'm looking to get a half way decent laser printer for my (very) new 
> small business. If possible I would like colour but if a sufficiently 
> good black and white is available for the right price I will take that 
> as it will mostly only be printing packing sheets.
> 
> Ideally the printer will live as a separate device on the network but if 
> that isn't an option I am happy enough to run it through cups.
> 
> In my ideal world it will also have a duplexer or at least be able to 
> accept one.
> 
> Finally, it _must_ be well supported by Debian (testing) - hence the 
> reason for posting the question here - although I suppose if it's a 
> network connected PS printer that wouldn't be such an issue.
> 
> I would prefer new and I was hoping to pay up to around £300 ($600).
> 
> Many thanks for your sage advice.
> 
> Graham

how about putting 'linux' and 'printer' into a search engine, you may
find something like http://www.linuxprinting.org/ which tells you what
works with Linux (but not Debian/testing specifically)

Personally, I've a Brother HL-5150D which does duplex and wasn't
expensive but I do have some problems printing PDFs (the duplexer
insists that it has to be A4 paper and I've obviously not got all the
CUPS & foomatic perfectly set up to do this for all possible PDF files)

Michael

Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Thomas Adam]

--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Such as?  You're implying that there's something magical going on
> without
> giving specifics upon which to discuss.

No, I'm merely stating that with most WMs, the emphasis is on yourself
to define how things are to operate -- and that you yourself have the
freedom to do so.
 
> No.  You know how it can be configured.  Again, unless you're
> digging in
> the code, you don't know how it works.  The point I am making is that

Code?  Oh, no.  Just reading docs, examples, other people's configs,
etc.

> for a learning experience.  Make it easy.  If I need more than the
> basic
> application I can RTFM.  It is your mentality which is why vi is so
> rough for
> people to learn up front even though IMHO a variant of vi(m) is one
> of the
> best damn editors out there and I use it religiously.  Want to know
> why?
> *Because they made the easy things easy to find and learn.*  The
> harder
> concepts I learn when I need to.

That's a little harsh, isn't it?  Especially to make assumptions about
my "mentality".
 
> D: in a manner which fits about 80% of my needs?

Sure -- but it's still subjective.  Which is not a bad thing, but it
cannot be applied across the board.  If that's what works for you, then
that's nice.

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courierwebadmin: ERROR: No such file or directory

[Jacob Friis Larsen]

When I ask courierwebadmin to "Install new configuration" I get this:

>>Installing new configuration...

Installing aliases/webadmin...
ERROR: No such file or directory<<

Any idea what I have done wrong, or haven't done?
Thanks, Jacob

Re: Newbie needs help fine tuning sarge

[Clinton V. Weiss]

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:

# Skype, Java 5, Real Player, Flash, etc.
deb http://archive.unable-to-package.org/debian-utp sarge main contrib non-free 
restricted


Doesn't work.  And it looked useful!


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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Thomas Adam]

--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Uhm, isn't that what I went into in my other message?  Part of
> managing a
> window is being able to easily and readily configure opening/closing
> windows
> (and the applications in thos windows).  Most fail spectacularly on
> that
> point.

Ah, so you're referring to it from a configurable point, rather than
something which wasn't possible, such as a lacking feature?  OK.

First off, "easily and readily" is still subjective.  What's easy or
readily so to you, might not be to me, or might not be to someone else
-- so there's already certain levels of disagreement about that.  But
that's OK.  One thing all WMs and DEs do that I have seen, is they try
and provide a set of defaults -- that is they'll usually (through some
means) make it known that if you click this button or that button, an
action is performed.  Whether that action is what you were expecting or
not, depends.  But like all good WMs, they can be changed -- as to how
this happens, depends on the WM, and to an extent, depends upon how far
one is prepared to dig to do it.

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Re: Forcing a PCMCIA card to a specific eth?

[Dave Ewart]

On Tuesday, 14.06.2005 at 05:37 -0700, Steve C. Lamb wrote:

> Quick question I've not been able to find an answer for.  Google hath
> failed me!  I've got a Netgear 10/100 PCMCIA ethernet card.  I had put in my
> modules alias file the module that loads for that card as eth1.  However when
> I pop the card into the slot it registers at eth0 and uses the configuration
> I've set up for my dock.  Kind of a pain now that I need one configuration for
> home (the dock) and one for work (the PCMCIA card).  
> 
> After tackling this problem I get to figure out wireless so I can use the
> PCMCIA slot as a wireless access point when at home.

Sounds like you want to investigate the package 'ifrename' - this lets
you determine interface names based on certain factors, such as MAC
address or (I think) driver/type.

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Steve C. Lamb]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 02:04:26PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
> But like all good WMs, they can be changed -- as to how
> this happens, depends on the WM, and to an extent, depends upon how far
> one is prepared to dig to do it.

Then name one WM where I can press a button to add a menu item without
having to resort to the intervening process of a CLI window, text editor and
manual entry/formatting and I might be interested in it.  Without that,
however, which is all that I have tried thus far, it is lacking.
 
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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Steve C. Lamb]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 01:48:29PM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> It's certainly pretty easy in Icewm. You just add a suitable line in the
> menu file and it then appears in the menu list when you press Ctrl-Esc.

How are the lines added?  My previous example, only minorly exagerrated,
was based on IceWM.  ;)

> Example:
 
> prog "Mutt" xterm xterm -T Mutt -fg ivory -bg gray35 -fn 8x13bold -geom 
> 120x45 -e mutt 
> prog "News" xterm xterm -T News -fg gray35  -bg bisque -fn 9x15bold -geom 
> 120x45 -e slrn 
> prog "Mozilla"  mozilla mozilla 
 
> These can be added or deleted on the fly and then activated by
> refreshing Icewm without stopping it.

By IceWM or through the use of other applications?  

See, Thomas pointed to a web page where a WM's text file configuration was
defended because it was too complex to represent graphically.  Yet in the
above we have 5 items.

1: type of menu item (program or folder)
2: The name to attribute to that item
3: The icon to associate with the item
4: The application/program to run
5: The command lines to pass on

Oddly enough XFCE and KDE can manage a graphic representation of those 5
items.  So, uh, where's the problem?  Why does it NEED to be in text?

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Thomas Adam]

--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Then name one WM where I can press a button to add a menu item
> without
> having to resort to the intervening process of a CLI window, text
> editor and
> manual entry/formatting and I might be interested in it.  Without
> that,
> however, which is all that I have tried thus far, it is lacking.

Using fvwm-themes, you can.  But that relies on you using the FvwmForm
along with it.  It's not an inherent part of the WM.  

But I personally don't see how it is "lacking" if you have to use a
text editor to change a menu entry -- I see it as just another means to
achieve the same goal.  Just because that means might not be how you
wanted, that is not lacking;  the functionality still exists.

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Thomas Adam]

--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> See, Thomas pointed to a web page where a WM's text file
> configuration was
> defended because it was too complex to represent graphically.  Yet in
> the
> above we have 5 items.

It's not that it's too complex -- it's just that *trying* to do so --
to be a comprehensive means would be a hinderance in the long-run.

>  Why does it NEED to be in text?

If you haven't dug into fvwm (as an example), I can appreciate how you
might think this so -- but there are a lot of aspects of fvwm that you
just couldn't represent graphically.  fvwm has hundreds of style
options, and many focus policy hints.  You can't enumerate these easily
in such a way that the user could understand or know what they mean. 
Fvwm-themes does a good job at bridging this gap, mind.

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setup an acx-wlan card

[Mike Herzog]

Hello everyone,
i just managed to install and setup a D-Link 520+ (an acx100 based
card) in my computer (an AMD Duron running Kernel 2.6.8 and debian
stable).  After running the 'start_net'-script there is a
wlan0-interface that is associated to my AP. It knows the MAC of the
AP and got an IP-Address via DHCP. So far everything works fine --
with or without WEP encryption.

But, however, it's not possible to 'ping -I wlan0 ' or
vice versa...

The syslog looks as i expect it to look after the pairing, and the LED
at the card blinks once every second while pinging.

Is it possible, that the card just cannot receive data? How can i find
out about it (e.g. show the packets received on an interface)?  (btw.:
with "the other OS" it works very well)
Any other suggestions?

Thanks a lot

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MSI 915GM4-F Intel® Pentium 4 ATX Mainboard

[Jonathan Opperman]

Hi All

Just wanted to find out before I purchase this Mobo if someone's already
been through the process of installing Sarge or any distro with this MB?

Any prior experience with this? And tips/hints would be appreciated. I 
am also
used to installing debian with normal ATA drives, now i am getting SATA 
drives
etc. I've looked around on google etc, but there is nothing specific to 
the MB

I want to get.

Thanks in advance

Regards,
 Jono


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sar output fails on sarge with udev and 2.6 kernel

[Yogesh Bhanu]

Hi ,
 Looks like a bug . Or something failed .
I just moved one of my nfs servers to sarge from woody, as the system has 6 GB 
of ram I compiled the kernel 2.6.11.12 . The system is working fine.

although sar for the i/o system is failing . I have not compiled devfs option .

iostat 1 shows

Device:tps   Blk_read/s   Blk_wrtn/s   Blk_read   Blk_wrtn
sda   0.00 0.00 0.00  0  0
sdb 134.00   240.00  4288.00240   4288
sdc   0.00 0.00 0.00  0  0
sdd   0.00 0.00 0.00  0  0

avg-cpu:  %user   %nice %system %iowait   %idle
   0.500.001.005.47   93.03

Device:tps   Blk_read/s   Blk_wrtn/s   Blk_read   Blk_wrtn
sda   0.00 0.00 0.00  0  0
sdb 142.00   480.00  4152.00480   4152
sdc   7.00 0.00   144.00  0144
sdd   0.00 0.00 0.00  0  0

avg-cpu:  %user   %nice %system %iowait   %idle
   0.500.001.503.50   94.50

Device:tps   Blk_read/s   Blk_wrtn/s   Blk_read   Blk_wrtn
sda   2.00 0.0024.00  0 24
sdb 100.00 0.00  3440.00  0   3440
sdc   3.00 0.0032.00  0 32
sdd   0.00 0.00 0.00  0  0


But ...
sar -bdr

07:45:01 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00

07:45:01  tps  rtps  wtps   bread/s   bwrtn/s
07:55:01 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
08:05:01 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
08:15:01 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
08:25:01 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
08:35:01 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
08:45:01 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
08:55:01 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
09:05:01 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
09:18:10 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
09:25:01 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
09:35:01 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
09:45:01 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
09:55:01 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
10:05:01 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
10:15:01 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
10:25:01 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00
Average: 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00

00:05:01kbmemfree kbmemused  %memused kbbuffers  kbcached kbswpfree
kbswpused  %swpused  kbswpcad
00:15:01  3644524   2590636 41.55699004   1714928   8128860
644  0.01 0
00:25:01  2135248   4099912 65.75702196   3222900   8128860
644  0.01 0
00:35:01   304676   5930484 95.11703356   5054884   8128860
644  0.01 0
00:45:01   298556   5936604 95.21706864   5060964   8128860
644  0.01 0
00:55:01   278164   5956996 95.54708248   5081340   8128860
644  0.01 0
01:05:01   105188   6129972 98.31616388   5349796   8128860
644  0.01 0
01:15:0197280   6137880 98.44624184   5349684   8128860
644  0.01 0
01:25:0191596   6143564 98.53630012   5349500   8128860
644  0.01 0
01:35:01   187416   6047744 96.99526596   5362000   8128860
644  0.01 0
01:45:01   177624   6057536 97.15535868   5361976   8128860
644  0.01 0
01:55:01   162996   6072164 97.39550752   5361576   8128860
644  0.01 0
02:05:01   156548   6078612 97.49557284   5361980   8128860
644  0.01 0
02:15:01   142916   6092244 97.71571100   5361968   8128860
644  0.01 0
02:25:01   131384   6103776 97.89583052   5361032   8128860
644  0.01 0
02:35:01   118364   6116796 98.10595636   5361844   8128860
644  0.01 0
02:45:0187364   6147796 98.60626584   5361904   8128860
644  0.01 0
02:55:0118628   6216532 99.70722704   5349220   8128860
644  0.01 0
03:05:0115836   6219324 99.75733192   5343968   8128860
644  0.01 0
03:15:0110356   6224804 99.83733320   5349552   8128860
644  0.01 0
03:25:0111668   6223492 99.81733200   5349128   8128860
644  0.01 0
03:35:0110388   6224772 99.83734508   5349656   8128860
644  0.01 0
03:45:0210212   6224948 99.84735268   5349984   8128860
644  0.01 0
03:55:0110204   6

Re: [Bit OT] Printers

[Graham Smith]

how about putting 'linux' and 'printer' into a search engine, you may
find something like http://www.linuxprinting.org/ which tells you what
works with Linux (but not Debian/testing specifically)

Personally, I've a Brother HL-5150D which does duplex and wasn't
expensive but I do have some problems printing PDFs (the duplexer
insists that it has to be A4 paper and I've obviously not got all the
CUPS & foomatic perfectly set up to do this for all possible PDF files)

Michael



Cheers, I like to think that I am normally pretty good about doing a 
google search before asking a question but for some reason it just 
didn't cross my mind this time. I'll put it down to a really nasty 
migraine that is, shall we say, distracting me.


Anyway, I'll go and have a look around linuxprinting.org now.

Graham


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Re: gnome-panel .. gone .. #@!!!!

[Jochen Schulz]

Cliff Flood:
> 
> Is there anything I can do to fix it and restore my nicely configured, 
> efficient Gnome working environment? :)

Try 'apt-get -f install' without any further arguments. If that fails, I
would try to remove suspicious packages and reinstall them.


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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Steve C. Lamb]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 02:00:03PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
> --- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Such as?  You're implying that there's something magical going on
> > without giving specifics upon which to discuss.
 
> No, I'm merely stating that with most WMs, the emphasis is on yourself to
> define how things are to operate -- and that you yourself have the freedom
> to do so.

Which is no different than what I am doing save for in presentation.  So
where's the problem here?

> > No.  You know how it can be configured.  Again, unless you're digging
> > in the code, you don't know how it works.  The point I am making is
> > that
 
> Code?  Oh, no.  Just reading docs, examples, other people's configs, etc.

   Then you don't _know_ what is going on any more than I do?  You are
configuring it with the options given to you exactly the same I am doing.

> > for a learning experience.  Make it easy.  If I need more than the basic
> > application I can RTFM.  It is your mentality which is why vi is so rough
> > for people to learn up front even though IMHO a variant of vi(m) is one of
> > the best damn editors out there and I use it religiously.  Want to know
> > why?  *Because they made the easy things easy to find and learn.*  The
> > harder concepts I learn when I need to.
 
> That's a little harsh, isn't it?  Especially to make assumptions about my
> "mentality".

Nope.  It's spot on.  Forcing people to learn loads up front to be
productive is not as friendly, easy and productive as being able to learn what
is needed, when it is needed and building on a basic set of skills which can
be used immediately.
  
> > D: in a manner which fits about 80% of my needs?
 
> Sure -- but it's still subjective.  Which is not a bad thing, but it cannot
> be applied across the board.  If that's what works for you, then that's
> nice.

I don't see it as subjective.  What I presented was not subjective, it was
objective.  Several less steps.  Less change for breakage.  Tell me, presuming
a bad default configuration which prevents access to a shell through the X
session and using a thin client for connectivity how exactly is one supposed
to effect changes to the configuration file when one can't access the darned
thing to modify in the first place?  Having a good portion of the
configuration inside the application itself, readily accessible does not
preclude text file configuration.  If you think it does, go try configuring
Pine sometime.  However, not having those tools can present problems.  They
should be there to provide a consistant interface within the application
itself.
 
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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Jochen Schulz]

Steve C. Lamb:
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 10:09:31PM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote:
> > I reckon ;)  Having started with KDE and switched to xfce, it seems an
> > excellent compromise.  I tried a few WM's and icewm came close to what I
> > was looking for but it was just a bit too light on frills and whistles.
> > Whereas xfce has some really useful features without the bloat of KDE.
> 
> I'm betting one of them is the launch bar.  Loved it in KDE and when I had
> to regain some memory only XFCE4 had it.  Can't understand how anyone can live
> without it.  :D

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is a "launch bar"? Is it Xfce's thing
at the bottom of the desktop that shows menus and the like? What's so
special about it?

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Steve C. Lamb]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 02:16:23PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
> But I personally don't see how it is "lacking" if you have to use a
> text editor to change a menu entry -- I see it as just another means to
> achieve the same goal.  Just because that means might not be how you
> wanted, that is not lacking;  the functionality still exists.

The default configuration for shell access is munged and doesn't work.
You're using a thin-client with only the X session to work with.  How do you
edit the text file when you can't get to it?  That's not lacking?  The
functionality does not exist.  It can be obtained through other means but it
is like saying that vim has a spell checker because one can install aspell and
use the vimspell plugin.  

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syslog-ng error message while starting / stopping: KERNEL_RINGBUF_SIZE & KERNEL_RINGBUF_SIZE is of unaccepted value

[Mart Frauenlob]

Hello debian-user mailing list !

Fresh installed system Dual MMX 466 with sarge r0 (not r0a) and 
2.6.8-2-686-smp kernel.



echolon:~# apt-get install syslog-ng
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
 klogd sysklogd
The following NEW packages will be installed:
 syslog-ng
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/215kB of archives.
After unpacking 233kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
(Reading database ... 16471 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing klogd ...
Stopping kernel log daemon: klogd.
Removing sysklogd ...
Stopping system log daemon: syslogd.
Selecting previously deselected package syslog-ng.
(Reading database ... 16448 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking syslog-ng (from .../syslog-ng_1.6.5-2.2_i386.deb) ...
Setting up syslog-ng (1.6.5-2.2) ...
CONSOLE_LOG_LEVEL is of unaccepted value.
KERNEL_RINGBUF_SIZE is of unaccepted value.
Starting system logging: syslog-ng.

echolon:~# /etc/init.d/syslog-ng stop
CONSOLE_LOG_LEVEL is of unaccepted value.
KERNEL_RINGBUF_SIZE is of unaccepted value.
Stopping system logging: syslog-ng.
echolon:~# /etc/init.d/syslog-ng start
CONSOLE_LOG_LEVEL is of unaccepted value.
KERNEL_RINGBUF_SIZE is of unaccepted value.
Starting system logging: syslog-ng.


Google gave this to me:
http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/msg16638.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/msg16636.html
though in that case syslog-ng doesn't even start.

Actually I have no idea what that error messages indicate.
Because of that I don't know wether to worry about it or not?

Thanks for help!

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Re: Disk Mirroring in Sarge howto - bad

[Alvin Oga]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Siju George wrote:

> # cat /proc/mdstat
> Personalities : [raid1]
> md2 : active raid1 hdd3[1]
>   4883648 blocks [2/1] [_U]

you have a bad raid system ...

you lose one partition and your entire raid disks can be toast

-

if /dev/md2 is /boot ...

- why do you need /boot ... /boot is NOT needed in
most all applications unless you have whacky things
like msdos(windows) at partition1

- or that you have old bios(hw) that cannot talk in lba16,
lba24, lba32, lba48, ...

if it is /boot.. you did NOT configure grub/lilo/syslinux properly
and your current config files are wrong

it will NOT boot properly whan the other disk dies

-

why do you need so many raid devices /??

c ya
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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Steve C. Lamb]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 02:21:08PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
> --- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> > See, Thomas pointed to a web page where a WM's text file configuration
> > was defended because it was too complex to represent graphically.  Yet
> > in the above we have 5 items.

> It's not that it's too complex -- it's just that *trying* to do so -- to be
> a comprehensive means would be a hinderance in the long-run.

Which is why I mentioned the 80% rule.  Why leave this out when it is a
fairly common operation that shouldd be made as simple as possible to do as it
ties directly to the main thrust of the program; starting, managing and
closing windows which contain applications!
 
> >  Why does it NEED to be in text?
 
> If you haven't dug into fvwm (as an example), I can appreciate how you might
> think this so -- but there are a lot of aspects of fvwm that you just
> couldn't represent graphically.  fvwm has hundreds of style options, and
> many focus policy hints. 

Pardon me if I don't believe you when you say that the miriad of
*graphical style options* can't be represented *graphically*.  If they
couldn't then they wouldn't exist, would they?

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Setting IP address not working

[Alan Chandler]

I am having a strange problem setting my ip address on my only (eth0) 
ethernet connection. 

If I use either a static or dhcp iface stanza in /etc/network/interfaces it 
fails. 


Here is the output from the dhcp version.
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Internet Software Consortium DHCP Client 2.0pl5
Copyright 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 The Internet Software Consortium.
All rights reserved. 


Please contribute if you find this software useful.
For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/dhcp-contrib.html 


sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
Listening on LPF/eth0/00:50:da:cf:a5:06
Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:50:da:cf:a5:06
Sending on   Socket/fallback/fallback-net
DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPACK from 192.168.0.20
SIOCSIFADDR: File exists
bound to 192.168.0.21 -- renewal in 10800 seconds.
RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address 



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What are the following? 


a) Reference to device sit0 - where did this come from
b) What is this error message?   "SIOCSIFADDR: File exists"
c) RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address 





The ip address I end up with is 169.254.50.3 (which I am guessing is some 
default in the device driver code). 

But I can't see what I am doing wrong.  Any advice to get more info, or even 
to fix it? 

(I am running Debian Unstable) 




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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Thomas Adam]

--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nope.  It's spot on.  Forcing people to learn loads up front to

No, I've said, it's just another means to configure something.  If
something is predominately a text-based configuration, then that can be
just as intuitive as a graphical one, IMO.
  
> I don't see it as subjective.  What I presented was not
> subjective, it was
> objective.  Several less steps.  Less change for breakage.  Tell me,
> presuming
> a bad default configuration which prevents access to a shell through
> the X
> session and using a thin client for connectivity how exactly is one
> supposed
> to effect changes to the configuration file when one can't access the
> darned
> thing to modify in the first place?  Having a good portion of the

Any editor will do at the console -- nano, jed, vim, emacs, etc.

> configuration inside the application itself, readily accessible does
> not
> preclude text file configuration.  If you think it does, go try
> configuring

I never said it did.

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Re: Setting up PostgreSQL on Debian...

[Redefined Horizons]

How do you sign into pgAccess as the user with the creation
privileges? I didn't see a place to log on directly in pgAccess. Does
it use the permissions of whatever current user is logged into Debian?

If I have a user created for Debian, do I simply log in as postgres
and grant that user the create privileges?

Are the "Debian System" users and the PostgreSQL users the same? (For
example, If I create a new Linux user JoeBlow, is he already a
PostgreSQL user by default? Or would I have to create a "Postgresql"
user called JoeBlow also?)

Thanks for the help.

Scott

On 6/14/05, Clive Menzies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On (13/06/05 20:41), John Hasler wrote:
> > I get exactly the same error here.  The user I am running pgAccess as is a
> > PostgreSQL user.  When I run psql I can create the database and then open
> > it in pgAccess, but I can't create it in pgAccess.
> >
> > Looks like a but.
> 
> but what? ;)
> 
> It's not a bug.  If you've created a user and you want that user to be
> able to create databases or users, you need to grant those privileges,
> initially, as user postgres:
> 
> CREATE (ALTER) USER  PASSWORD  CREATEDB CREATEUSER;
> 
> Regards
> 
> Clive
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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Jochen Schulz]

Steve C. Lamb:
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 01:48:29PM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote:
>
> > It's certainly pretty easy in Icewm. You just add a suitable line in the
> > menu file and it then appears in the menu list when you press Ctrl-Esc.
> 
> How are the lines added?

With the right tool to do the job, of course - that means your $EDITOR.
;-)

> 1: type of menu item (program or folder)
> 2: The name to attribute to that item
> 3: The icon to associate with the item
> 4: The application/program to run
> 5: The command lines to pass on
> 
> Oddly enough XFCE and KDE can manage a graphic representation of those 5
> items.  So, uh, where's the problem?  Why does it NEED to be in text?

It needs to be text so console junkies like me can change it with their
text editor! ;-) That said, there /are/ programs just to edit menus,
preferences and key bindings for IceWM. I do not like them and they are
not neatly "integrated" into IceWM, but they are there.


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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Thomas Adam]

--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Pardon me if I don't believe you when you say that the miriad of
> *graphical style options* can't be represented *graphically*.  If
> they
> couldn't then they wouldn't exist, would they?

This one of those things you'd realise, if you used the WM in question.
 Trying to explain it otherwise, is tricky.

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Re: Request for window manager recommendations

[Thomas Adam]

--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The default configuration for shell access is munged and doesn't
> work.
> You're using a thin-client with only the X session to work with.  How
> do you
> edit the text file when you can't get to it?  That's not lacking? 
> The
> functionality does not exist.  It can be obtained through other means
> but it
> is like saying that vim has a spell checker because one can install
> aspell and
> use the vimspell plugin.  

This has nothing to do with what I'm talking to.  If you can't get to
it, none of the options would work -- simple.  That's not something
neither you or a WM could do anything about.

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