potato question

[Chris]

HAD POTATO but tried to upgrade to kernel 
2.4.4-686.  Sys is a celeron 700 on a i810 board running 191mem with dozeme 
on 1st partition and ?2r3 on second.  Used apt-get kernel-image-2.4.4-686 
to get kernel and then thought configed.  When reboot got a kernel 
panic.BOOT=?.
Things missing! how to get back in???  Do have 
2.2.19 boot disk-will it work?  Also do i just need xfree 4_02 for i810 
support for X.  x will only run vga-svga will not.  Can i just upgrade 
to xfree 4 and not kernel or have 2 do both???
THANKS TO ANYONE THAT REPLIES.  Either with 
howto or advise!  

Anyone with a HP Laser Jet 1220 printer/scanner/copier

[mdevin]

Has anyone got this or knows about it?  It looks as though it is
postscript and the scanner part will work with linux using a command
line program called ptal-hp.

Has anyone set up this beast and knows if it involves any headaches?

Thanks
Mark.

Re: kde_gnome

[Joel Mayes]

On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 07:21:04PM -0500, Karshi Hasanov wrote:
> 
> Can you help  me to setup KDE or Gnome as a default panel when I run 
> "startx".
> This is my first time I am using Debian(Woody), and don't understand how 
> "startx" works.
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Create a file called .xsession in your home directory and put "gnome-session"
in it to start gnome or "startkde" to start kde, or both and just comment out
the one your not useing.

Cheers

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Re: small partitions are faster?

[Joel Mayes]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 01:07:48AM +0100, J.A.Serralheiro wrote:
> hello. I have a 20 gbyte fujitsu. My bios didnt recognize the disk as a 20
> gbyte so I jumpered the drive to 2gbyte to trick the bios. ( this model
> can do that). I boot on MS-DOS and then use loadlin to load boot linux.
> I made some tests using dos, and when copying files I get an average disk
> transfer rate of 5.1 Mbyte /s.
> I did the same test using linux and get 2.6 average. These tests where
> made with a 100megabyte file and a watch. :-)
> tell me something, does the faster speed is because I have dos on  2gbyte
> partition? if I had my drive partitioned into smaller partitions instead
> of having a huge 18gbyte Iwould have an increased speed performance?
> 
> thanks
> 
> 
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I don't think partion size make much of a difference with ext2 partition, but 
I could be wrong, the speed difference is probably caused by MS-DOS defaulting
to used DMA and linux not, 
try install the hdparm package with it you can test you HD read speed with
'hdparm -t' and fiddle setting I use 'hdparm -c 1 -d 1 -k 1 /dev/hd?' to set 32
bit IO mode and turn on DMA.

Cheers
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dpkg -l

[harsha]

hi,
dpkg -l showed the following.

snip...
pi xserver-common 4.0.2-13
ii xserver-common 3.3.6-38

how do i resolve this.

would appreciate some help.

regards
harsha
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pump / resolv.conf troubles

[Matthias Pfisterer]

Hi,

I have a problem with pump. Generally, it works fine, but it doesn't
write the search directive in resolv.conf correctely. I get:

aphrodite:/home/matthias# pump -s
Device eth0
IP: 192.168.128.150
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
Broadcast: 192.168.128.255
Network: 192.168.128.0
Boot server 192.168.128.100
Next server 192.168.128.100
Gateway: 192.168.128.100
Domain: pfist.de
Nameservers: 192.168.128.100 192.168.128.101
Renewal time: Sun May 20 18:04:18 2001
Expiration time: Sun May 20 19:34:18 2001
aphrodite:/home/matthias# cat /etc/resolv.conf 
search
nameserver 192.168.128.100
nameserver 192.168.128.101

So while the name servers are entered correctely, the search directive
is just empty. I would expect 'search pfist.de', i.e. the domain name
given by the DHCP server. I'm using pump 0.8.3-3 together with ifupdown
0.6.4-3. This all is on PowerPC.
I do not have a configuration file /etc/pump.conf. I know I can override
the DNS search list by a directive in pump.conf. However, this seems
like a hack to me. I would like to get it working without this. Any
ideas?

Please tell me if you need more information or I can otherwise help in
debugging.
Ah, and please CC: me in replies, I'm not subscribed to this list.

thanks in advance,
Matthias


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Re: lprng problem. Problem Solved :-)

[Erik Steffl]

Joel Mayes wrote:
> 
> On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 11:17:18AM -0500, Dana J . Laude wrote:
> > On Sat, 19 May 2001 00:22:35 Joel Mayes wrote:
> > > Thanks to everyone who responded, both on and off list,
> > > I've installed CUPS and everything is now A-KO
> >
> > Did you happen to use the debian packages, or did you
> > try the ones from cups.org?  I tried the .deb from
> > cups.org, although it seems you have to pay for canon
> > printer support.
> >
> > Dana
> G'day Dana
> 
> I used to Deb packages, cupsys & cupsys-clients,
> I thinks you might be right
> about having to pay for Canon printer support,
> I can't find a driver for one anywhere in the
> /usr/lib/cups or /usr/share/cups directories,
> You get Epson drivers and HP drivers, and a couple of
> generic drivers but no Canon.
> At a guess I'd say this is probable 'cause Canon won't
> release specs for there printers.

  did you check the gimp-print (provides drivers for cups as well, not
sure if it has drivers for cannon)

erik

Re: Netscape , problem again...!

[Erik Steffl]

Steve Kieu wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Any one noticed the problem if using Netscape 4.77
> (not sure for older version) browse this page
> 
> http://download.cnet.com/
> 
> And sometime Netscape doesn't not display anything
> after loading a page for a while, for example if type
> 
> http://www.slackware.com/
> 
> After a while it stop, document done!, and nothing is
> displayed. SOmetimes it works as normal. But if you
> type http://www.slackware.com/index.php it works.

  I noticed the same - in all cases I've seen so far it helped when I
turned off javascript (or java), it happens in both linux and windows
versions of netscape...

  if you need javascaipt you have to restart browser.

erik

nis +

[Roderick Cummings]

I am trying to learn how to admin nis and nis+. I found the nis package in 
debian, but does debian have an nis+ package? If not are there nis+ packages 
else where?



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Re: dbootstrap

[Leen Besselink]

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Andrew D Dixon wrote:

> Hi All,
> Does anyone know where the source for dbootstrap lives.  I wanted to
> take a look at it and find out what it actually does but I haven't been
> able to find it.
> 
> thanks,
> Andy
> 

In bootfloppies maybe ??? Dunno

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Re: apache doubt

[V.Suresh]

  I have set the permissions to rw for all. Still I can't. Where is
  the Options Indexes specified? Can't find it in httpd.conf.
  My DocumentRoot is /myweb. It contains a index.html, with rw permissions
  for all.

Once upon a time, Rolf Schillinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> found a keyboard. And 
typed:
>Hi,
>it depends on what you are trying to do. This message normally means that
>the directory you wanna access (if you just do http://localhost/ it is the
>DocumentRoot in httpd.conf) doesn`t have a index.html or whatever type is
>configured in DirectoryIndexes in httpd.conf and additionally the Option
>Indexes directive is not set for that directory. If this is set for the
>dir in question apache will return a directory listing.
>hth, Rolf
>
>On Sat, 19 May 2001, V.Suresh wrote:
>
>>  Just wanted to try apache. Installed it. When I try to access 
>>  my server thru lynx localhost, it says " you dont have permissions
>>  to access  in this server". How do I enable permissions?
>>  Note that I have no experience in running servers. Just  experimenting.
>> 
>>   
>>   
>>   
>>   -V.Suresh.  Sureshvuserssourceforgenet
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Re: Modem

[V.Suresh]

Try minicom to detect your modem first.
What have you given as modem in wvdial.conf? 

Once upon a time, Phillip Grigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> found a keyboard. And typed:
>I am using wvdial to dial out.  When I run the program, it states that
>"the modem is not responding".  Do I have to load any modules for the
>modem?  How do I get this to work?  Please help.
>
>Thanks,
>Phil
>
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Abiword and ttf

[Hans]

Who succeeded in getting Abiword to recognize TrueType fonts? Their FAQ
says to symlink fonts in /usr/share/fonts/truetype to
/usr/share/abisource/fonts/. I did that but it won't fly. (Using Woody with
Abiword 0.7). --Hans

for i in *

[Hans]

I still don't understand the proper syntax for this: I want to process
multiple files, e.g. symlinking a bunch or converting graphics.

for i in *;do 'ln -s $i /home/newdir/$i';done

won't work. 

Could someone please explain the rules for doing stuff like this, e.g. when
to use quotes and what quotes, when to write files to a new file and
renaming them back. I would appreciate this a lot as I need to do a lot of
this kind of stuff. Thanks --Hans

OT: An overlooked bastion for MS?

[Krisno Pryosusilo]

I have been told at a couple of game development sites that I frequent,
that Linux is being considered *in the future.

The two sites are http://www.targetware.net and
http://www.wwiionline.com.

The former cites marketing info suggesting that writing a Linux port
would be unprofitable, while the latter say they will port to Linux ..
eventually. Implicit in both comments (as I read it anyway) is that
Windows, MacOS and eventually X-Box will be much better platforms to
write games for. I do not agree.

I would like to speed up the process, and maybe plant the suggestion
that the time for considering doing that Linux port could very well be
*now! :)

If you agree and are interested in simulation, please drop by and add
your voice.

Cheers
Krisno

P.S. cross-posted at debian.users newsgroup (hope that doesn't annoy
anyone!)

Re: Abiword and ttf

[Dr. Guenter Bechly]

Hi,

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 10:04:42AM +0200, Hans wrote:
> Who succeeded in getting Abiword to recognize TrueType fonts? Their FAQ
> says to symlink fonts in /usr/share/fonts/truetype to
> /usr/share/abisource/fonts/. I did that but it won't fly. (Using Woody with
> Abiword 0.7). --Hans

Better try again with /usr/share/abisuite/fonts/, because a path
called abisource does not exist in Debian.

Cheers,
Guenter

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Kernel images

[Raffaele Sandrini]

Hi gents,

I run woody. At this time i compile the kernel by myself. Yesterday i saw in 
dselect that there are many kernel images avalible. But they are all 2.2.x 
kernels and only one, the 2.4.0-test1 from the 2.4.x series.
Now my question is: Why aren't there all the newer images? Does Debian no 
more precompile a kernel?
I know that i can do the same with the kernel-package.

cheers,
Raffaele
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Re: What's up with the list?

[Aldo Maggi]

* sabato 19 maggio 2001, alle 19:20, John Willey scrive:
> Now, I appreciate seeing the word "die" and "Outlook" in the same 
> sentence as much as the next guy, but why are all the messages on 
> this list suddenly in German?
> 
as from yesterday evening it is the same for me:-(
aldo

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Re: for i in *

[Moritz Schulte]

Hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I still don't understand the proper syntax for this: I want to process
> multiple files, e.g. symlinking a bunch or converting graphics.
> 
> for i in *;do 'ln -s $i /home/newdir/$i';done
> 
> won't work. 

This tries to execute the _command_ 'ln -s $i /home/newdir/$i' and not
the command 'ln' with the parameters -s, $i, and /home/newdir/$i;

The proper syntax for this loop would be:

for i in *; do ln -s $i /home/newdir/$i; done

which would create symlinks in the directory /home/newdir pointing to
the (non-hidden) files in the current directory.

> Could someone please explain the rules for doing stuff like this, e.g. when
> to use quotes and what quotes, when to write files to a new file and
> renaming them back.

There are no special quotations needed for the loop. The syntax is:

  for NAME [in WORDS ...]; do COMMANDS; done

(from bash's info pages, package bash-doc)

You also wouldn't write

$ 'ls -a'

if you want to execute the command ls, with parameter -a.

Have you searched in the bash manual (info pages, man pages)? There's
also a section about quotations.

hth,
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Re: for i in *

[Kevin Ross]

> for i in *;do 'ln -s $i /home/newdir/$i';done
> won't work.

You're close.  Get rid of the quotes.

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Re: List errors?

[Sven Hartge]

You wrote:

> Is it just me, or is the normal English debian-user mailing list
> getting messages from the German debian-user list?  

No. Someone misconfigured his mail2news gate and is sending ALL postings
to DE.comp.os.unix.linux.* to debian-user.

The "someone" is a customer of thur.de, which have been noticed be my,
to shut down the account.

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pam_condev.so

[Mao's Brüderle]

Hi!

I get the following errors and can't find anything about them on the web etc..:

PAM [dlerror: /lib/security/pam_condev.so : cannot open shared object file: No 
such file or directory]

PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_condev.so

I'm running unstable with 2.4.5-pre1

Thanks!

Eamon Roque

Re: for i in *

[Erik Steffl]

Hans wrote:
> 
> I still don't understand the proper syntax for this: I want to process
> multiple files, e.g. symlinking a bunch or converting graphics.
> 
> for i in *;do 'ln -s $i /home/newdir/$i';done

  you got some responses already but here's some more info:

  to see how quotes work:

  export VAR='something'

  echo 'single quotes $VAR'
  echo "double quotes $VAR"
  echo `echo "this is backtick talking"`

  so in your example above the $i stays $i. Of course, you don't need
quotes there at all...

erik

Re: Kernel images

[Herbert Xu]

Raffaele Sandrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I run woody. At this time i compile the kernel by myself. Yesterday i saw in 
> dselect that there are many kernel images avalible. But they are all 2.2.x 
> kernels and only one, the 2.4.0-test1 from the 2.4.x series.
> Now my question is: Why aren't there all the newer images? Does Debian no 
> more precompile a kernel?
> I know that i can do the same with the kernel-package.

They're still waiting to be moved into testing.  You'll see them if you
use unstable.  They'll probably enter testing within a week.
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Re: nautilus 1.0.3-2 won't start

[Philipp Bliedung]

Erik Steffl wrote:

> Philipp Bliedung wrote:
> >
> > hi
> >
> > I apt-get nautilus from unstable and the installation went  without any
> > errors, but when I try to start it I get this error message:
> >
> > nautilus: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared
> > object file: cannot load shared object file: No such file or directory
> > error while loading shared libraries: nautilus: undefined symbol:
> > xmlCheckVersion
>
>   it works here on 'pure' unstable, just installed it.

> > which package am I missing? What does the xmlCheck mean?
> > (originally I'm on a potato machine but I have  A LOT of stuff from
> > unstable, which I need for games and multimedia - so it could well be
> > that there is a package that I miss ... or maybe two ...)
>
>   then why not have unstable?

b/c I need this machine to at least do some work for school and I just have a
56K modem at home and it's a real _pain_ to download many packages besides it'll
get very expensive ... (welcome to Germany - I don't have a flat rate yet :)  So
I'm happy to have some packages on CD (woody and potato) but unstable is
changing too fast for me to keep up with it every day :(
When I stayed in America it wasn't a problem but now 

Anyway, I tried to compile nautilus from source but I got an error message that
I'd need the new freetpe packages - so I downloaded freetype-2.0.2 and compiled
it and made 'make install' but when I tried to compile nautilus again I get the
same message.
How can that be?

philipp

Newbie question - Java install

[Norman Beresford]

Hi all

Excuse me if this is the wrong place to ask, but it seemed to be the closest
thing to a debian newbie list that I could find!

I've got a problem with an install of the Sun Java SDK on my debian box.  I
ftp'd the bash script install from Sun, and ran it.  The whole thing seemed
to go well, until I tried to test it with

java -?

This gave me the following error code:

/usr/local/jre/bin/i386/native_threads/java: error in loading shared
libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file:  No
Such file or directory.

Following some advice from someone else I tried to Locate the file, but it
doesn't appear to be any where on the system.

Has anyone got an ideas on this?

Re: Newbie question - Java install

[Ilya Martynov]

NB> This gave me the following error code:

NB> /usr/local/jre/bin/i386/native_threads/java: error in loading shared
NB> libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file:  No
NB> Such file or directory.

NB> Following some advice from someone else I tried to Locate the file, but it
NB> doesn't appear to be any where on the system.

NB> Has anyone got an ideas on this?

Install package libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 .

In future if need to find package that contains some file use
http://packages.debian.org/ .

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Re: Abiword and ttf

[Hans]

At 10:28 AM 5/20/01 +0200, Dr. Guenter Bechly wrote:
>Hi,
>
>On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 10:04:42AM +0200, Hans wrote:
>> Who succeeded in getting Abiword to recognize TrueType fonts? Their FAQ
>> says to symlink fonts in /usr/share/fonts/truetype to
>> /usr/share/abisource/fonts/. I did that but it won't fly. (Using Woody with
>> Abiword 0.7). --Hans
>
>Better try again with /usr/share/abisuite/fonts/, because a path
>called abisource does not exist in Debian.
>

Sorry, you're right. I symlinked all fonts in /usr/share/fonts/truetype to
/usr/share/abisuite/fonts. Abiword still can't recognize them and only
shows the Abiword default fonts, which look horrible. Any other hints?
Thank you --Hans

modprobe / modutils problems...

[vester]

hi all!

i just compiled kernel-2.4.4 and it boots without any problems, but
modprobe is never able to locate my modules. after i compiled the kernel i
also ran 'make modules' and 'make modules_install'

the modules do exist and are working, because i can insert them with
insmod when i am in the same directory as the module, and /sbin/modconf
loads them as well (so the correct paths seem to be compiled into modconf)

what about modprobe though? i checked the version and it it 2.4.2 -- does
that mean i can only load kernel 2.4.2 modules?

i am using debian testing, modutils 2.4.2 is the newest version
(kernel-source-2.4.4 is the newest version respectively)

since modconf loads my modules it's not that bad really, the problem
however is that programs like alsaconf don't seem to work without
modprobe...even though i loaded the sound module with modconf and it does
find my soundcard, i can neither hear sound nor run alsaconf successfully
-- i *think* it is all because of modprobe doesn't locate the modules...

i also tried to add the respective /lib/modules/2.4.4/... directories in
/etc/modutils but to no avail

can anybody suggest to me how to solve this?

thanks!

-vester

cups and deskjet 840c

[Mao's Brüderle]

Hi!

Has anyone had any experience with cups and the deskjet 840c?! As I understood 
from cups.org, this printer is supported, although "mostly".
 When I open "http://localhost:631/admin";, I get "this file contains no data". 
The other sections of this interface are also empty.
The docs say that I can add a printer with the "lpadmin" command ( 
unfortunately, this wasn't in the .deb package I downloaded.).
My local user is in the "lpadmin" group and the printer does respond ( 
usually...) to "lpr filename". It only prints the first line of the text, 
though...
Any tips?!

Thanks.

Eamon Roque
  

Re: nis +

[Martin Würtele]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 03:29:48AM -0400, Roderick Cummings wrote:
> I am trying to learn how to admin nis and nis+. I found the nis package in 
> debian, but does debian have an nis+ package? If not are there nis+ packages 
> else where?

i don't know, just be aware that even in 2.4 the nis+ kernel server is sort
of broken!

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Re: Abiword and ttf

[Martin Würtele]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 10:04:42AM +0200, Hans wrote:
> Who succeeded in getting Abiword to recognize TrueType fonts? Their FAQ
> says to symlink fonts in /usr/share/fonts/truetype to
> /usr/share/abisource/fonts/. I did that but it won't fly. (Using Woody with
> Abiword 0.7). --Hans

if you add the path you xfs it works. some guys report it works with the
path included in you XF86Config as well but it didn't for me. i had to set
up xfs and now everything runs fine.

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Re: iptables and kernel 2.4 etc

[Wayne Topa]

Subject: iptables and kernel 2.4 etc
Date: Sat, May 19, 2001 at 05:15:17PM +0930

In reply to:David Purton

Quoting David Purton([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I just upgraded to kernel 2.4.4 and I'm now trying to return my computer
> to some state of normality.
> 
> after finding I missed a crucial option for ppp and a second recompile
> :) I'm now up to getting ipmasqing to work.
> 
> 
> I wasn't really sure what options to go for in the kernel - so I checked
> everything as modules.  An ended up with the following:
> 
> ip_conntrack.o  ipt_MASQUERADE.o  ipt_mac.oipt_unclean.o
> ip_conntrack_ftp.o  ipt_MIRROR.o  ipt_mark.o   iptable_filter.o
> ip_nat_ftp.oipt_REDIRECT.oipt_multiport.o  iptable_mangle.o
> ip_queue.o  ipt_REJECT.o  ipt_owner.o  iptable_nat.o
> ip_tables.o ipt_TCPMSS.o  ipt_state.o
> ipt_LOG.o   ipt_TOS.o ipt_tcpmss.o

I have them all set as modules.
Don't forget to check off these as well
# Networking options
#
CONFIG_PACKET=y
# CONFIG_PACKET_MMAP is not set
CONFIG_NETLINK=y
CONFIG_RTNETLINK=y
# CONFIG_NETLINK_DEV is not set
CONFIG_NETFILTER=y
CONFIG_NETFILTER_DEBUG=y
# CONFIG_FILTER is not set
CONFIG_UNIX=y
CONFIG_INET=y
CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST=y


> 
> 
> of course I don't have a huge idea what most of these are, but I've
> managed to sort of get things working by a modprobe -a \*, then running
> ipmasq (problems with which I'll deal with in a sec). and things sort of
> go.

> 
> So what I want to know is which of the above modules do I need for a
> masqed network and simple firewalling as a minimum?
Set as modules it doesn't matter.  You will only load up the ones you require.
As you get itop iptables a bit more you are sure to add new rules and you
won't have to go back and recompile the kernel to add them
> 
> And where do I tell the kernel which I want loaded at boot time in the
> usual way - and everything will be happy?
> 
In the firewall script.  ie

/sbin/depmod -a
/sbin/modprobe ip_conntrack
/sbin/insmod ipt_REJECT
/sbin/insmod iptable_nat

> Also - when I run ipmasq, it cunningly iserts alsorts of rules into the
> filter table with the net result being that I can't access the net at
> all.  (at least - packets get out - but are denied on the way in again).
> This is not helpful as a default (which it is, since I reinstalled the
> ipmasq package after purging it in the hope that my probs would go away)

IP MASQ is done with one rule in iptables

iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -s $INTERNAL_NET -j MASQUERADE

I don't run ipmasq as that is, IIRC, an ipchains method.  iptables ia a
big step forward from ipchains.

Take a look at http://netfilter.samba.org.  There are a bunch of HOWTO's
available along with links to sample firewall scripts. 

HTH

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Re: [users] Re: opera

[Wayne Topa]

Subject: Re: [users] Re: opera
Date: Sat, May 19, 2001 at 01:20:04PM -0400

In reply to:MaD dUCK

Quoting MaD dUCK([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> also sprach Stephen E. Hargrove (on Fri, 18 May 2001 07:03:42PM -0500):
> > i'm running woody and have it installed:
> 
> that's probably the problem - since i am running woody on one machine
> where it works, and potato on the one where it doesn't.
> 
> but i should be able to install all these dependencies without apt-get
> source!
Installed Opera 5.0 the other night on Potato using apt-get. Took 4
tries before the link would stay up but got it.

Runs find here on potato.
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Re: My favorite German post

[Kerstin Hoef-Emden]

Hi,

On Sat, 19 May 2001, Erik Steffl wrote:

>   actually I think it's a combined english german message, it starts
> with english then drifts into german, here's the same message divided
> into english and german parts (using !):
> 
>   Re: Outlook, die! Schweinepest des Internets

der (male), die (female), das (neutral) = the

The German word "die" (pronounced dee) has nothing to do with death.


So "Outlook, the swine-pest of the internet" was correct. 


There are other traps when translating German to English and vice versa, 
e.g.:

become = werden
get = bekommen

(A German in an English restaurant asks a waiter: "When shall I become
my beefsteak?" The waiter says: "I hope never, Sir!") 

puff = schnauben, aufgebläht (and some other meanings)
brothel = Puff ("Puff Daddy" - oops?)

But reading German texts may be sometimes quite confusing, because
some kind of Denglish is used. A lot of computer and technology terms
are simply adopted and used as they were German words (to download -
"downloaden").


Regards,

Kerstin


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Re: cups and deskjet 840c

[Joel Mayes]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 02:03:09PM +0200, Mao's Br?derle wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Has anyone had any experience with cups and the deskjet 840c?! As I 
> understood from cups.org, this printer is supported, although "mostly".   
>   When I open "http://localhost:631/admin";, I get "this file 
> contains no data". The other sections of this interface are also empty.
> The docs say that I can add a printer with the "lpadmin" command ( 
> unfortunately, this wasn't in the .deb package I downloaded.).
> My local user is in the "lpadmin" group and the printer does respond ( 
> usually...) to "lpr filename". It only prints the first line of the text, 
> though...
> Any tips?!
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Eamon Roque
>   
I can't help with all the question but did you install cupsys-client, as well
as cupsys, I was looking for the lpstat and lpadim commands mentioned in the
manual to until I took a guess and installed cupsys-client, Voila

Cheers

Joel

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misc questions about inputrc

[Pierre Hyvernat]

Hi,

Following the discussion some time ago (how to get PageUp go through
history commands starting with what is currently on the command line), I
decided to look at some thinks I could do with the inputrc files.

My first thing was to add something to get Suppr to work correctly in
xterm. The problem is that now, in console mode, Del works as Suppr!
(C-v Suppr  --> ^? in X
--> ^[[3~  in console
 C-v Del--> ^H in X
--> ^? in console)
How should I do so that it works both in X and in the consoles? (Should
I prefix all my functions by conditionals?)

Next, I wanted to have C-Del, C-Suppr, C-left, C-right to act as the
normal keys, except on words (kill-word etc.) I couldn't get it to work!
Namely 
"\C-": backward-kill-word
doesn't do the job... How should I do it?

Finally, the fuction re-read-init-file appears to be reading only
/etc/inputrc, not $HOME/.inputrc
According to info readline, the default is ~/.inputrc, except if
INPUTRC is set to something else...


None of this is vital, but I wish I understood. (I think I read the
relavant parts of the manual, sorry if I missed something...)


Thanks

Pierre
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Anyone with SMC EZ Card NIC running Kernel 2.4.4

[mdevin]

I noticed that the rtl8139 driver is no longer in the kernel config
options and now the driver for this card seems to be called 8139too

I compiled a module for 8139too when I compiled my 2.4.4 kernel.
However, when I try to connect with my ADSL modem, the kernel freezes
and I have to press the reset button to reboot.  It used to work fine
with my 2.4.3 kernel (rtl8139 module).

Does anyone else have one of these cards and have it working with a
2.4.4 kernel?

lynx, X, cut/paste???

[Pierre Hyvernat]

Hi!
I am using lynx (I am also trying w3m, but I haven't got used to it
yet...) in X when I don't want to launch Mozilla or Netscape (and
sometimes even if one of them is aleady running!)

It looks like I can't always cut or paste text in it.  Fo example, if I
find some text on a web page I wan't to paste in a message, or on the
contrary, if I want to paste an an URL in lynx, I can't always do it.
What is very puzzling is that I sometimes can!  I haven't figured out a
pattern yet...  

Has anybody seen that before?  Or at least has any idea on how to fix
it?


Thanks for any advice...

Pierre
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en_GB locale problem

[Cliff Rowley]

Greetings,

I'm usually more keen to solve a problem myself before asking for help,
but I feel I am a little out of my depth.  I've not been using Linux
very long, being used to using FreeBSD.

After realising that my system was using a US locale, I changed it to
use en_GB by using the following in /etc/inputrc:

LC_ALL=en_GB
LANG=en_GB
LANGUAGE=en_GB

I then uncommented the following line in /etc/locale.gen:

en_GB ISO-8859-1

And commented out:

#en_US ISO-8859-1

Then ran /usr/sbin/locale-gen and rebooted (no idea if that was
nescessary, but I figured it couldnt hurt).

The only problem is that now I cannot type a capital L on any console,
whether it be a real console or a terminal.  I cant paste one either,
although the system is able to display one.  Every other key works just
fine, just not capital L.

Very strange, very confused.  Can anyone come to my rescue?

Thanks in advance

Cliff Rowley

FYI:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -a
Linux guru 2.4.4 #1 Tue May 15 01:07:36 BST 2001 i686 unknown

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/issue
Debian GNU/\s testing/unstable \n \l

Re: My favorite German post

[Gary L. Dolan]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 01:12:53PM +0200, Kerstin Hoef-Emden wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Sat, 19 May 2001, Erik Steffl wrote:
> 
> >   actually I think it's a combined english german message, it starts
> > with english then drifts into german, here's the same message divided
> > into english and german parts (using !):
> > 
> >   Re: Outlook, die! Schweinepest des Internets
> 
> der (male), die (female), das (neutral) = the
> 
> The German word "die" (pronounced dee) has nothing to do with death.
 
 I don't think the original poster was seriously trying to translate.
 We like to call it a joke.

-- 
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Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, Kernel 2.4.4 
FreeBSD 4.2

logging to active console is driving me crazy

[mdevin]

I have a iptables firewall with 2.4.4 kernel.  I have it log packets
that are illegal etc.  How do I stop these logs from being displayed
on the active console.  I am running potato with Adrian Bunk's stuff
for 2.4 kernel support.

Here is what my /etc/syslog.conf has in it.
auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth.log
*.*;auth,authpriv.none  -/var/log/syslog
#cron.* /var/log/cron.log
daemon.*-/var/log/daemon.log
kern.*  -/var/log/kern.log
lpr.*   -/var/log/lpr.log
mail.*  -/var/log/mail.log
user.*  -/var/log/user.log
uucp.*  -/var/log/uucp.log

mail.info   -/var/log/mail.info
mail.warn   -/var/log/mail.warn
mail.err/var/log/mail.err

news.crit   /var/log/news/news.crit
news.err/var/log/news/news.err
news.notice -/var/log/news/news.notice

*.=debug;\
auth,authpriv.none;\
news.none;mail.none -/var/log/debug
*.=info;*.=notice;*.=warn;\
auth,authpriv.none;\
cron,daemon.none;\
mail,news.none  -/var/log/messages

Everything else is commented out.  Even commented out the following
lines:
# Emergencies are sent to everybody logged in.
#
#*.emerg*

So what gives?  How do I stop this logging to the active console?

Re: for i in *

[Alan Shutko]

Hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I still don't understand the proper syntax for this: I want to process
> multiple files, e.g. symlinking a bunch or converting graphics.
> 
> for i in *;do 'ln -s $i /home/newdir/$i';done

Other people have explained about the quotes, but for this specific
case you might like to know that 

ln -s * /home/newdir

works to do the same thing.

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An economist is a man who would marry Farrah Fawcett-Majors for her money.

Mozilla .9 (was Re: Netscape , problem again...!)

[au516]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 12:54:32AM -0400, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> Mike, currently playing with Mozilla 0.9, waiting for 1.0

Is it just my imagination or has the 'Block this image from loading'
feature disappeared between .8 and .9

If so, this is disappointing :/  Is there any way to find out?

R.

Re: nis +

[Viktor Rosenfeld]

Hi Roderick,

> I am trying to learn how to admin nis and nis+. I found the nis package in
> debian, but does debian have an nis+ package? If not are there nis+ packages
> else where?

There are unofficial nisplus packages available if you put the following
lines in your sources.list.

  deb http://www.realbodo.de/ debian/
  deb-src http://www.realbodo.de/ debian/

I haven't tried this myself, but they can't be worse than the tarball
put out by Thorsten Kukuk.  See http://www.suse.de/~kukuk/nisplus/ for
more information about nisplus on Linux.

Good luck,
Viktor
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WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/

Re: nis +

[Viktor Rosenfeld]

Martin Würtele wrote:
> 
> On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 03:29:48AM -0400, Roderick Cummings wrote:
> > I am trying to learn how to admin nis and nis+. I found the nis package in
> > debian, but does debian have an nis+ package? If not are there nis+ packages
> > else where?
> 
> i don't know, just be aware that even in 2.4 the nis+ kernel server is sort
> of broken!

What's a NIS+ server doing in a kernel.  I mean, IIRC, there is no such
thing and it wouldn't even make sense for it to be there.

Ciao,
Viktor
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WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/

Re: logging to active console is driving me crazy

[Gordon Hart]

On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 04:51:03AM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Everything else is commented out.  Even commented out the following
> lines:
> # Emergencies are sent to everybody logged in.
> #
> #*.emerg*
> 
> So what gives?  How do I stop this logging to the active console?
>

I had something similar recently.. turned out installing klogd and
setting the threshold in the init.d file for it filters out the kernel
messages (-c option IIRC). 

Re: for i in *

[Viktor Rosenfeld]

Hi Hans, 

Hans wrote:

> I still don't understand the proper syntax for this: I want to process
> multiple files, e.g. symlinking a bunch or converting graphics.
> 
> for i in *;do 'ln -s $i /home/newdir/$i';done
> 
> won't work.

Several folks have already suggested, that you just need to get rid of
the '' quotes.  However, if some files have spaces in their file name,
you actually do need quotes, like this.

for i in *; do ln -s "$i" "/home/newdir/$i"; done

This makes sure that the filename $i and the new location
/home/newdir/$i is exactly one arguement each to the ln command and not
split on word boundaries.

Of course, some people argue, that spaces in filenames is a Bad
Thing(tm), but I fail to see why.

Cheers,
Viktor
-- 
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WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/

Re: modprobe / modutils problems...

[Mirek Kwasniak]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 12:56:54PM +0200, vester wrote:
[...]
> what about modprobe though? i checked the version and it it 2.4.2 -- does
> that mean i can only load kernel 2.4.2 modules?
> 
> i am using debian testing, modutils 2.4.2 is the newest version

ii  modutils 2.4.6-3  Linux module utilities.
:) in woody but i think 2.4.2 should be OK.

> (kernel-source-2.4.4 is the newest version respectively)
[...]

Did you check .../linux/Documentation/Changes?
Check outputs of:

#   depmod -av 
(Have you ever done? On Debian it should be automatic but you may have a
broken system)
#   modprobe -c
#   insmod -vn one_of_your_modules   
   
They should have paths to your kernel modules   

Mirek

Re: nautilus 1.0.3-2 won't start

[Philipp Bliedung]

Hi,

I managed to to get one step further in compiling nautilus ...
But what does that mean?

checking for GNOME - version >= 1.2.8... yes
checking for additional GNOME modules... *** gnomecanvaspixbuf library
is not installed
configure: error: *** GNOME 1.2.8 or better is required.

I have  'libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2-0.11.0-1' and 'libgdk-pixbuf2-0.11.0-1'
installed and compiled 'gdk-pixbuf-0.9.0 ' successfuly  - obviously
that's not everything that I need.
What else could cause this message?

TIA,
Philipp

Re: for i in *

[Martin Fluch]

> Several folks have already suggested, that you just need to get rid of
> the '' quotes.  However, if some files have spaces in their file name,
> you actually do need quotes, like this.
> 
>   for i in *; do ln -s "$i" "/home/newdir/$i"; done
> 
> This makes sure that the filename $i and the new location
> /home/newdir/$i is exactly one arguement each to the ln command and not
> split on word boundaries.
> 
> Of course, some people argue, that spaces in filenames is a Bad
> Thing(tm), but I fail to see why.

Could exactly this be the reason, why spaces in filenames are considered
as a bad thing, since they easily lead into trouble?

Martin

Re: Abiword and ttf

[Hans]

Could you please explain what aspects of xfs you had to tweak? I have xfs
installed. --Hans

At 01:01 PM 5/20/01 +0200, Martin Würtele wrote:
>On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 10:04:42AM +0200, Hans wrote:
>> Who succeeded in getting Abiword to recognize TrueType fonts? Their FAQ
>> says to symlink fonts in /usr/share/fonts/truetype to
>> /usr/share/abisource/fonts/. I did that but it won't fly. (Using Woody with
>> Abiword 0.7). --Hans
>
>if you add the path you xfs it works. some guys report it works with the
>path included in you XF86Config as well but it didn't for me. i had to set
>up xfs and now everything runs fine.
>
>yours martin
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Ben at okstate.edu?

[Bud Rogers]

Strictly speaking this is OT for the list.  I beg everyone's indulgence.

I'm pretty sure I have seen a regular on this list or one other whose name is 
Ben who has both an acm.org and an okstate.edu address.  I would like to get 
in touch with that Ben off list.  I don't have either address in my address 
book and a quick search of the list archives didn't turn up anything.

Ben, would you email me off list?  I would like to ask a small favor.

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How to use debian lists

[Thomas H. George]

I have gotten some excellent answers to my questions and picked up 
useful information from other user's questions and answers but


I'm swamped!

Often I am away from my computer for several days and return to find 
1,000+ messages.  It takes a long time to download and delete them much 
less scan them for interesting items.  I unsuvscribed for a while 
because of this and am thinking of doing so again.  What I'd like is a 
way of switching on and off depending on my need to ask a question and 
the time I have available to download and scan messages.


In the last analysis I think debian linux is wonderful, I am enormously 
greatful to the all those who have freed me from microsoft but most of 
my time is devoted to taking advantage of this by working at my computer 
with only an ocasional need for help when I encounter a problem.

Re: stopped working in X

[Morten Bo Johansen]

peter karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> After I yesterday updated some packages to be able to install
> KDE base from unstable, my  key seems to have stopped
> working properly. It used to work in most places, but now it
> does some really weird things in several programs (most notably
> ncurses program and the bash shell).
> 
> In my Xmodmap (I have a severly modified keymap) I have
> 
> keycode 0x61 =Home
> 
> so it should work properly.
> 
> Has anything with this changed recently? Which package is most proper
> to file a bug against? xfree86-common?


You might need to change the $TERM setting for your terminal
program or hack its terminfo entry.

infocmp $TERM > $TERM.ti
emacs $TERM.ti
tic $TERM.ti

man 5 terminfo explains the terminfo syntax



Regards,

Morten

Re: lynx, X, cut/paste???

[Morten Bo Johansen]

Pierre Hyvernat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi!
> I am using lynx (I am also trying w3m, but I haven't got used to it
> yet...) in X when I don't want to launch Mozilla or Netscape (and
> sometimes even if one of them is aleady running!)
> 
> It looks like I can't always cut or paste text in it.  
>
> []

Holding down the shift key while selecting the text to copy and
likewise holding down the shift key when pasting should work
all of the time.


Regards,

Morten


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Language

[Stefano Canepa]

Hi all,
what is the official language of debian-user? I thought it was
english. 

Stefano

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Re: Multi-platform software development

[Karl Philipp]

Hi,


I'm in the need of developing a multi-platform system.
Can anyone give me a hint of which tool's (libraries) to use? I'd like to
develop applications for linux(es), unix(es) and windows.
I'm even about to pay a little amount of money for it.

Oh, I'm talking about GUI objects ( I think C++ written objects are 'a
must') and libraries.


Another idea:
Take a look at

 

and VERY IMPORTANT

 

greetings

 Karl

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Re: potato question

[V.Suresh]

  Try the X4. Mostly it works. With kernel 2.4.x, your chances of
  getting X increase. I didn't do it the proper way, but somehow
  managed to get it. With 2.2.18, installed X from .tgz files,
  xf86config. Then booted thru 2.4.0, startx worked. Again booted
  thru 2.2.18, still startx worked. So, here I am with X.

   X Window -- It can happen to anybody. ;-)

Once upon a time, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> found a keyboard. And typed:
>HAD POTATO but tried to upgrade to kernel 2.4.4-686.  Sys is a celeron 700 on 
>a i810 board running 191mem with dozeme on 1st partition and ?2r3 on second.  
>Used apt-get kernel-image-2.4.4-686 to get kernel and then thought configed.  
>When reboot got a kernel panic.BOOT=?.
>Things missing! how to get back in???  Do have 2.2.19 boot disk-will it work?  
>Also do i just need xfree 4_02 for i810 support for X.  x will only run 
>vga-svga will not.  Can i just upgrade to xfree 4 and not kernel or have 2 do 
>both???
>THANKS TO ANYONE THAT REPLIES.  Either with howto or advise!  
-_-_-_-_End of Original Message-_-_-_-_-_-_-Know Gnu, Know Freedom_
  
  
  
  
  -V.Suresh.  Sureshvuserssourceforgenet
   Http://www16.brinkster.com/vsuresh
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Re: How to use debian lists

[Joel Mayes]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 11:14:16AM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote:
> I have gotten some excellent answers to my questions and picked up 
> useful information from other user's questions and answers but
> 
> I'm swamped!
> 
> Often I am away from my computer for several days and return to find 
> 1,000+ messages.  It takes a long time to download and delete them much 
> less scan them for interesting items.  I unsuvscribed for a while 
> because of this and am thinking of doing so again.  What I'd like is a 
> way of switching on and off depending on my need to ask a question and 
> the time I have available to download and scan messages.
> 
> In the last analysis I think debian linux is wonderful, I am enormously 
> greatful to the all those who have freed me from microsoft but most of 
> my time is devoted to taking advantage of this by working at my computer 
> with only an ocasional need for help when I encounter a problem.
> 
> 
> -- 
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G'day Thomas,

Have you looked at the usenet 'linux.debian.user' it appears to be a 
copy of the debian-user list available over NNTP.

Cheers 
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Re: for i in *

[Philipp Lehman]

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I still don't understand the proper syntax for this: I want to process
>multiple files, e.g. symlinking a bunch or converting graphics.
>
>for i in *;do 'ln -s $i /home/newdir/$i';done
  ^^^  ^^^

You need grave accents here. Try:

for i in *; do `ln -s $i /home/newdir/$i`; done

Also, * will give the file name only, you need the full (relative or
absolute) path for the symlinks to work.

>won't work. 
>
>Could someone please explain the rules for doing stuff like this, e.g. when
>to use quotes and what quotes, when to write files to a new file and
>renaming them back. I would appreciate this a lot as I need to do a lot of
>this kind of stuff. Thanks --Hans
>
>
>

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Re: logging to active console is driving me crazy

[Dana J . Laude]

On Fri, 18 May 2001 13:51:03 you wrote:
> I have a iptables firewall with 2.4.4 kernel.  I have it log 
packets
> that are illegal etc.  How do I stop these logs from being 
displayed
> on the active console.  I am running potato with Adrian Bunk's 
stuff
> for 2.4 kernel support.
> 
> Here is what my /etc/syslog.conf has in it.
> auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth.log
> *.*;auth,authpriv.none  -/var/log/syslog
> #cron.* /var/log/cron.log
> daemon.*-/var/log/daemon.log
> kern.*  -/var/log/kern.log
> lpr.*   -/var/log/lpr.log
> mail.*  -/var/log/mail.log
> user.*  -/var/log/user.log
> uucp.*  -/var/log/uucp.log
> 
> mail.info   -/var/log/mail.info
> mail.warn   -/var/log/mail.warn
> mail.err/var/log/mail.err
> 
> news.crit   /var/log/news/news.crit
> news.err/var/log/news/news.err
> news.notice -/var/log/news/news.notice
> 
> *.=debug;\
> auth,authpriv.none;\
> news.none;mail.none -/var/log/debug
> *.=info;*.=notice;*.=warn;\
> auth,authpriv.none;\
> cron,daemon.none;\
> mail,news.none  -/var/log/messages
> 
> Everything else is commented out.  Even commented out the following
> lines:
> # Emergencies are sent to everybody logged in.
> #
> #*.emerg*

If you use the below, everything goes to tty8 on my system.
(ctrl-shift-f8)

daemon,mail.*;\
news.=crit;news.=err;news.=notice;\
*.=debug;*.=info;\
*.=notice;*.=warn   /dev/tty8

This should work, although I don't have the logging setup
yet for iptables.  I was going to compile that in today.
(missed it before)

Dana

Re: for i in *

[Philipp Lehman]

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Philipp Lehman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Sun, 20 May 2001, Hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>I still don't understand the proper syntax for this: I want to process
>>multiple files, e.g. symlinking a bunch or converting graphics.
>>
>>for i in *;do 'ln -s $i /home/newdir/$i';done
>  ^^^  ^^^
>
>You need grave accents here.

Ouch! You don't need _any_ quotes in this case, sorry. What I was
trying to say was that you shouldn't confuse accents and single quotes
as they have different meanings in bash.

-- 
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Re: for i in *

[mark]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 06:13:07PM +0200, Philipp Lehman wrote:
> On Sun, 20 May 2001, Philipp Lehman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >On Sun, 20 May 2001, Hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>I still don't understand the proper syntax for this: I want to process
> >>multiple files, e.g. symlinking a bunch or converting graphics.
> >>
> >>for i in *;do 'ln -s $i /home/newdir/$i';done
> >  ^^^  ^^^
> >
> >You need grave accents here.
> 
> Ouch! You don't need _any_ quotes in this case, sorry. What I was
> trying to say was that you shouldn't confuse accents and single quotes
> as they have different meanings in bash.
> 

I have found it useful and more readable to use the $(command) syntax
in place of `command`. It has the additional advantage of being
nestable, though that is rarely needed.

-- Mark

small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel

[joe golden]

I am trying to switch our small (12 machine) NT network over to Linux.  Some 
of the main computer applications at our school are web browsing , word 
processing and spreadsheets (MS Internet Explorer, Word and Excel).


I am running Linux debian 2.2.18pre21 and just updated last week.

Netscape makes a great replacement for Internet Explorer.

Abiword seems to work OK, but sometimes appears to split lines and I've had 
problems importing an image into a document.  I haven't used Abiword much, 
but have already seen these problems.  What is a better alternative that 
isn't too bloated.  This is the major application we need for the school.


For spreadsheets in school, you need to make graphs.  Gnumeric seems slick, 
but last time I checked, *no graphs*.  I need graphical representation of 
data for test scores, etc.


Is Star Office the answer?  Can the huge Star office package be broken into 
smaller more manageable parts?


Thanks for previous help and thanks in advance,
Joe Golden,
The Stevens School of Peacham
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Re: for i in *

[Viktor Rosenfeld]

Martin Fluch wrote:

> > Of course, some people argue, that spaces in filenames is a Bad
> > Thing(tm), but I fail to see why.
> 
> Could exactly this be the reason, why spaces in filenames are considered
> as a bad thing, since they easily lead into trouble?

But, this trouble is easily avoided with double quotes and on the flip
side, spaces make things much more readable. 
IMeanIt'SNotLikeWeDon'tUseSpacesInNormalWriting. 
And-I-have-yet-to-see-somebody-who-replaces-all-spaces-with-dashes-or-dots. 
See.what.I.mean?

Also, along with bash's tab completion or GUI file managers, spaces
don't cause me any trouble.

Viktor
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Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel

[Cameron Matheson]

Hey,

I personally like Mozilla a lot better than Netscape, and if you're looking
for something w/ quick load times, use galeon.  It uses the gecko rendering
engine, and it has a pretty slick interface.

StarOffice probably would be the best solution for your office replacement.
It also has a browser that you could use, i don't really like it, but I guess
it might be ok

Cameron Matheson


On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 04:53:19PM +, joe golden wrote:
> I am trying to switch our small (12 machine) NT network over to Linux.  Some 
> of the main computer applications at our school are web browsing , word 
> processing and spreadsheets (MS Internet Explorer, Word and Excel).
> 
> I am running Linux debian 2.2.18pre21 and just updated last week.
> 
> Netscape makes a great replacement for Internet Explorer.
> 
> Abiword seems to work OK, but sometimes appears to split lines and I've had 
> problems importing an image into a document.  I haven't used Abiword much, 
> but have already seen these problems.  What is a better alternative that 
> isn't too bloated.  This is the major application we need for the school.
> 
> For spreadsheets in school, you need to make graphs.  Gnumeric seems slick, 
> but last time I checked, *no graphs*.  I need graphical representation of 
> data for test scores, etc.
> 
> Is Star Office the answer?  Can the huge Star office package be broken into 
> smaller more manageable parts?
> 
> Thanks for previous help and thanks in advance,
> Joe Golden,
> The Stevens School of Peacham
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Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel

[Forrest English]

i think star office is going to be your best bet as far as word
proccessing and graphing goes.  though, koffice might work, i havn't used
it in a long time, and it seemd nice enough then, so it might work for
you now.

might want to think of using one of the newer mozilla builds.  they're
fast enough to use all the time.

deb http://pandora.debian.org/~robot101/mozilla ./

adding that to your apt sources will get a fairly recent version.

On Sun, 20 May 2001 16:53:19 , joe golden whispered to the router:

!!I am trying to switch our small (12 machine) NT network over to Linux. 
Some 
!! of the main computer applications at our school are web browsing ,
word 
!! processing and spreadsheets (MS Internet Explorer, Word and Excel).
!! 
!! I am running Linux debian 2.2.18pre21 and just updated last week.
!! 
!! Netscape makes a great replacement for Internet Explorer.
!! 
!! Abiword seems to work OK, but sometimes appears to split lines and
I've had 
!! problems importing an image into a document.  I haven't used Abiword
much, 
!! but have already seen these problems.  What is a better alternative
that 
!! isn't too bloated.  This is the major application we need for the
school.
!! 
!! For spreadsheets in school, you need to make graphs.  Gnumeric seems
slick, 
!! but last time I checked, *no graphs*.  I need graphical representation
of 
!! data for test scores, etc.
!! 
!! Is Star Office the answer?  Can the huge Star office package be broken
into 
!! smaller more manageable parts?
!! 
!! Thanks for previous help and thanks in advance,
!! Joe Golden,
!! The Stevens School of Peacham
!! _
!! Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
!! 
!! 

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Re: Newbie question - Java install

[V.Suresh]

 I have copied the Contents-i386 file into my root dir, have uncompressed
 it. Hence, whenever I want to find which package a specific file belongs
 to, I just do
 grep  Contents-i386. 
  That will show all packages that contain that file. Hope this helps.


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typed:
>Hi all
>
>Excuse me if this is the wrong place to ask, but it seemed to be the closest
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>
-_-_-_-_End of Original Message-_-_-_-_-_-_-Know Gnu, Know Freedom_
  
  
  
  
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Re: Language

[V.Suresh]

  English of course, and the German &*)(&**^ thing has obviously 
  frustrated you as well as many of the listers. Now it's fixed, and 
  everybody is :-).  The moral is, when there is something in the line
  of spam, it's better to remain silent, and let the thing die down
  (it will, soon). Else, by commenting on it, we are just adding more
  to it. Eventually, it should die down. Look, even this mail has added
  to the traffic. Better keep shut, in such big lists. 

Once upon a time, Stefano Canepa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> found a keyboard. And 
typed:
>Hi all,
>   what is the official language of debian-user? I thought it was
>english. 
>
>   Stefano
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
-_-_-_-_End of Original Message-_-_-_-_-_-_-Know Gnu, Know Freedom_
  
  
  
  
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Re: [users] Re: opera

[csj]

On 19 May 2001 13:20:04 -0400, MaD dUCK wrote:
> also sprach Stephen E. Hargrove (on Fri, 18 May 2001 07:03:42PM -0500):
> > i'm running woody and have it installed:
> 
> that's probably the problem - since i am running woody on one machine
> where it works, and potato on the one where it doesn't.

Maybe you should just follow the Debian motto. When in doubt, recompile.

 

List broken?

[csj]

Is it just me? I have been receiving an inordinate amount of German
language mail.

Web server

[N. Raghavendra]

Hi,

We are moving our web server to a new machine.  How much memory
do people advise for a web server? Also I'd be happy to get
information and pointers on security.

Many thanks,
Raghavendra.

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Re: [users] Re: opera

[Forrest English]

On 21 May 2001 01:14:59 +0800, csj whispered to the router:

!! Maybe you should just follow the Debian motto. When in doubt,
recompile.

i thought that was slackware's motto

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system, but too early to start shooting the bastards" 
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Re: Language

[Viktor Rosenfeld]

Hello,

"V.Suresh" wrote:
> 
>   English of course, and the German &*)(&**^ thing has obviously
>   frustrated you as well as many of the listers. Now it's fixed, and
>   everybody is :-).  The moral is, when there is something in the line
>   of spam, it's better to remain silent, and let the thing die down
>   (it will, soon). Else, by commenting on it, we are just adding more
>   to it. Eventually, it should die down. Look, even this mail has added
>   to the traffic. Better keep shut, in such big lists.

I'm sorry, but this is total nonsense.  First of all, if somebody had
not contacted the admin at thur.de, we would still be swamped with
German mails.  Secondly, this wasn't spam or in the "line of spam."  And
as a third point, are you saying, that it's better to keep the mouth
shut when harm is being done or am I just overly sensitive?  If the
latter, I apologize, if the former, then you have some serious problems.

Cheers,
Viktor
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Re: My favorite German post

[Philipp Lehman]

On Sat, 19 May 2001, John Willey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I think I learned something from the recent German crossover on this 
>list.  This message was especially useful:
>
>Re: Outlook, die Schweinepest des Internets
>
>My German is terrible/nonexistent, but I like to think that this translates as:
>
>"Outlook, the swine-pest of the Internet"
>
>Still true, even if it isn't, ya know?

It's true in every sense of the word.

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Re: Multi-platform software development

[George Dancheff]

http://gcc.gnu.org

--- Karl Philipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> >I'm in the need of developing a multi-platform
> system.
> >Can anyone give me a hint of which tool's
> (libraries) to use? I'd like to
> >develop applications for linux(es), unix(es) and
> windows.
> >I'm even about to pay a little amount of money for
> it.
> >
> >Oh, I'm talking about GUI objects ( I think C++
> written objects are 'a
> >must') and libraries.
> 
> Another idea:
> Take a look at
> 
>   
> 
> and VERY IMPORTANT
> 
>   
> 
> greetings
> 
>   Karl
> 
> ---
> 
>   Karl Philipp
>   Wixhäuser Str. 30A
>   64331 Weiterstadt
>   Germany (European Union)
> 
>   Phone: +49 (0)6150 / 592 894
>   Mobil: +49 (0)179 / 595 32 76
> 
>   Email   : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   WWW : http://www.karl-philipp.de,
> http://www.karlphilipp.de
> 
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Fwd: Re: Configuring Networking - Newbie - solved

[Bob Underwood]

--  Forwarded Message  --
Subject: Re: Configuring Networking - Newbie - solved
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:52:43 -0400
From: Bob Underwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


this turned out to be a compatibility problem.  originally, i had cards using
the rtl8139 and tulip modules.  i replaced the tulip based card with another
rtl8139 and IT WORKS!!!

thanks to those who replied.

bob

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Bob Underwood wrote:
> this is my first time writing to the list, so i left out info in my 
> newbieness 
> 
> this is a new install, barebones 2.2r2 from cd (cheapbytes) with dist-upgrade
> to the current stable dist, and security updates.
> 
> ip masquerading is enabled in the kernel and ipmasq is installed with the
> default scripts.  any help appreciated.
> 
> thanks again
> 
> bob
> 
> 
> On Fri, 18 May 2001, mgk wrote:
> > I've seen this discussed previously, can't find the solution though.
> > 
> > The external connection works fine, I can't access the local network from my
> > gateway box though.
> > 
> > The routing table looks like this:
> > 
> > DestinationGatewayGenmask Flags  Metric Ref Use  Iface
> > xx.xx.xxx.x 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.128   U 0   00 
> > eth0
> > 192.168.1.0   0.0.0.0   255.255.255.0   U 0   00   
> > eth1
> > 0.0.0.0 65.14.207.1  0.0.0.0  UG  0   0 
> > 0  eth0
> > 
> > 
> > /etc/network/interfaces
> > 
> > (parenthethical material omitted)
> > iface lo inet loopback
> > 
> > iface eth0 inet static
> > hostname cxxx-x
> > address xx.xx.xxx.xx
> > netmask 255.255.255.128
> > network 65.14.207.0
> > broadcast 65.14.207.127
> > gateway 65.14.207.1
> > 
> > iface eth1 inet static
> > hostname mammyyokum
> > address 192.168.1.3
> > netmask 255.255.255.0
> > network192.168.1.0
> > broadcast 192.168.1.255
> > up /sbin/ifconfig eth1 promisc
> > 
> > /etc/resolv.conf is:
> > 
> > search hmpt1.va.home.com
> > nameserver xx.xx.xx.xx
> > nameserver xx.xx.xx.xx
> > 
> > /etc/hosts
> > 
> > 127.0.0.1   localhost
> > 192.168.1.3 mammyyokum.siliconhollow.orgmammyyokum
> > 192.168.1.4 pappyyokum.siliconhollow.orgpappyyokum
> > 492.168.1.5 crunchwolf.siliconhollow.orgcrunchwolf
> > 
> > 
> > /etc/networks
> > localnet 65.14.207.0
> > 
> > 
> > i can ping mammyyokum, both by name and by ip; i can ping localhost, i 
> > cannot
> > ping either pappyyokum or crunchwolf by name or number.
> > 
> > any help would be appreciated.  thanks
> > 
> > bob underwood
> > 
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Two Problems

[Sidney Brooks]

I have just installed Potato and have two problems.
1) I have configured my printer with magicfilterconfig. When I try to 
print,as I did with an earlier version of Debian, e.g. pr /etc/printcap 
|lpr, it does not work. I get:

lpr:connect: Connection refused
jobs queued; but cannot start daemon

2) My second problem is one that my ISP administrator cannot solve. Until 
last summer, I could get onto the internet with any version of linux that I 
tried. Typical of what I get now is what I get with wvdial (same thing 
happens with RedHat):

Connect
Carrier detected. Waiting for prompt.
PPP daemon has died
pppd error.

My ISP administrator says that when he uses linux with his computer through 
the modem that serves my area, he gets connected. He seems to want to blame 
my computer. Since I have no trouble with Windows and even Beos worked when 
I tried it, I cannot see how it can be my computer.


Any help would be appreciated.

Re: Two Problems

[D-Man]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 11:12:02AM -0700, Sidney Brooks wrote:

| 2) My second problem is one that my ISP administrator cannot solve.
| Until last summer, I could get onto the internet with any version of
| linux that I tried. Typical of what I get now is what I get with
| wvdial (same thing happens with RedHat):
|
| Connect
| Carrier detected. Waiting for prompt.
| PPP daemon has died
| pppd error.
| 
| My ISP administrator says that when he uses linux with his computer through 
| the modem that serves my area, he gets connected. He seems to want to blame 
| my computer. Since I have no trouble with Windows and even Beos worked when 
| I tried it, I cannot see how it can be my computer.

My suggestion would be to try minicom.  It is a modem dialer, but it
gives you a sort of interactive prompt.  That way you can see exactly
what your modem/ISP is responding with.  I used it to figure out the
exact sequence of send/reply pairs to use with chat.  It works quite
well.

Once you get the modem to dial properly and chat authenticates you,
you need to get pppd configured right.  I found through trial and
error what to use for PAP authentication options.

HTH,
-D

Re: cups and deskjet 840c

[Mao's Brüderle]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 09:15:27PM +1000, Joel Mayes wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 02:03:09PM +0200, Mao's Br?derle wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > Has anyone had any experience with cups and the deskjet 840c?! As I 
> > understood from cups.org, this printer is supported, although "mostly". 
> > When I open "http://localhost:631/admin";, I get "this file 
> > contains no data". The other sections of this interface are also empty.
> > The docs say that I can add a printer with the "lpadmin" command ( 
> > unfortunately, this wasn't in the .deb package I downloaded.).
> > My local user is in the "lpadmin" group and the printer does respond ( 
> > usually...) to "lpr filename". It only prints the first line of the text, 
> > though...
> > Any tips?!
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Eamon Roque
> >   
> I can't help with all the question but did you install cupsys-client, as well
> as cupsys, I was looking for the lpstat and lpadim commands mentioned in the
> manual to until I took a guess and installed cupsys-client, Voila
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Joel

well, I've got the lpadmin etc... Thanks!
now I need to get the printer working...


Eamon Roque

Re: My favorite German post

[Erik Steffl]

Kerstin Hoef-Emden wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Sat, 19 May 2001, Erik Steffl wrote:
> 
> >   actually I think it's a combined english german message, it starts
> > with english then drifts into german, here's the same message divided
> > into english and german parts (using !):
> >
> >   Re: Outlook, die! Schweinepest des Internets
> 
> der (male), die (female), das (neutral) = the
> 
> The German word "die" (pronounced dee) has nothing to do with death.
> 
> So "Outlook, the swine-pest of the internet" was correct.

  the interpretation/translation above was a joke. I thought it was
obvious...

erik

Re: How to use debian lists

[Erik Steffl]

"Thomas H. George" wrote:
> 
> I have gotten some excellent answers to my questions and picked up
> useful information from other user's questions and answers but
> 
> I'm swamped!
> 
> Often I am away from my computer for several days and return to find
> 1,000+ messages.  It takes a long time to download and delete them much
> less scan them for interesting items.  I unsuvscribed for a while
> because of this and am thinking of doing so again.  What I'd like is a
> way of switching on and off depending on my need to ask a question and
> the time I have available to download and scan messages.

  it is much easier to handle it when you thread the articles. some
mailreader enable you to 'kill the thread' so you'll never see messages
in threads that do not interest you. I've heard that this works really
well in gnus. netscape has these features as well but I never got them
working properly (threading works but kill thread does strange things).
I think mutt can do the same as well even though I don't know how to
kill threads in mutt (yet)...

  that way you would have to go through much less messages (basically
only threads that are interesting to you and new threads)

erik

Re: HELP!!! Installing Debian

[Jan Enning]

Well I've got a 'solution' :-) The reason I didn't use any floppy is simple
because they are most of the time broken, old, etc...not very reliable.
But if you don't have any bandwidth, stick with the floppy :-)

I downloaded the complete Debian ISO and burned it on a CD, then bought a
crappy ATA 50X cd-rom drive for $30. The reason that I did this was that the
ATA drives are really plug and play AND bootable! I think on every pentium u
can boot with this kind of drive. Now I only plugged it to my OLD P133 and
ready to go!
No boot floppy's, corrupted files, missing sectors etc...
Before I used 'windoos 98' bootfloppy's to get CD-rom support and then
booted Debian from DOS. With the Crappy ATA drive  you're the king :)

I hope it helped u a bit :)
Good luck!
kleinejan

> Hello guys!

> I am new to Debian Linux. After downloading files from BASE-i386 and
> DISK-i386 directory, i've tried to install debian.  I typed INSTALL  and
> the install.bat file run. After loading some modules, I am stuck to the
> the following message:
> 
> Kernel Panic : VFS : Unable to mount root on FS on 01:00
> 
> What have I missed?  Please help!
> 
> Thanks and more power.
> 
> Arnold
> 
> 
> 



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Re: cups and deskjet 840c

[Erik Steffl]

Mao's Brüderle wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Has anyone had any experience with cups and the deskjet 840c?! As I 
> understood from cups.org, this printer is supported, although "mostly".   
>   When I open "http://localhost:631/admin";, I get "this file 
> contains no data". The other sections of this interface are also empty.

  that's because the cupsys package is broken. see bugs for cupsys (on
www.debian.org)

  btw why does cupsys have a lot of old unfixed bugs (at least some of
which are very easy to fix)? is it not maintained anymore?

erik

how to recover damaged tar files?

[Erik Alvarez]

Hi, when trying to decompress a tar file I get this error. Can someone tell if 
there is a way to fix it or is the file lost?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ tar -ixvf backup.tar 
BACKUP/
BACKUP/Rik/
BACKUP/Rik/Rogelio.doc
tar: Skipping to next header
BACKUP/Rik/xp-50/5,svq
tar: Skipping to next header
tar: Archive contains `rik' where numeric mode_t value expected
tar: Archive contains `s' where numeric time_t value expected

tar: : Cannot open: No such file or directory
tar: Skipping to next header

tar: : Cannot open: No such file or directory
tar: Skipping to next header
tar: Archive contains `\311S}D\301\002' where numeric mode_t value expected
tar: Archive contains `\b\000\000\000\263\030' where numeric uid_t value 
expected
tar: Archive value 207545706796100 is out of gid_t range 0..4294967295
U5\335D
tar: U5\335D: Unknown file type '', extracted as normal file
tar: Skipping to next header
tar: 411 garbage bytes ignored at end of archive
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors

Thanks

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Best way to move to 2.4 kernel?

[S.]

I am running an ASUS P2B-DS based MB with dual Pentium III 500 and 512 Meg RAM.

I switched from RedHat to Debian about two months ago (on this and all
of my other machines). I have been very pleased with Debian (2.2r3).

It is becoming apparent that I should switch to the 2.4 kernel for
better SMP support and it seems that things are stabilizing with the
2.4.5 release work.

My question to the group is this. Which Debian release should I use -
Potato with modification for 2.4 or Woody? I want as stable a machine
configuration as I can get while settling on the 2.4 kernel.

Guidance, suggestions, and comments appreciated!

Thanks -- Randy 

Re: How to use debian lists

[D-Man]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 12:10:58PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
|   it is much easier to handle it when you thread the articles. some
| mailreader enable you to 'kill the thread' so you'll never see messages
| in threads that do not interest you. I've heard that this works really
| well in gnus. netscape has these features as well but I never got them
| working properly (threading works but kill thread does strange things).
| I think mutt can do the same as well even though I don't know how to
| kill threads in mutt (yet)...

In mutt press '^d'.  This doesn't delete future messages in the
thread, just the ones in the mailbox at the time the command was
pressed.  I've also found that it is easier to read messages when you
can follow a thread straight through, rather than reading many threads
at a time in the order people replied.

If you only want to get replies to messages you sent, mutt does this
very well also.  In your .muttrc put the following lines

set followup-to = yes  # this is set by default
lists debian-user@lists.debian.org

When you send a message to that address mutt will include your address
in the Mail-Followup-To header.  Then when people reply to the message
using the 'list-reply' command (L in mutt) the reply will be cc'd to
you.  That way you can get replies to your questions without getting
all the other messages.

-D

Re: Best way to move to 2.4 kernel?

[Sven Hoexter]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 12:23:44PM -0700, Randolph S. Kahle wrote:
> I am running an ASUS P2B-DS based MB with dual Pentium III 500 and 512 Meg 
> RAM.
> 
> I switched from RedHat to Debian about two months ago (on this and all
> of my other machines). I have been very pleased with Debian (2.2r3).
> 
> It is becoming apparent that I should switch to the 2.4 kernel for
> better SMP support and it seems that things are stabilizing with the
> 2.4.5 release work.
> 
> My question to the group is this. Which Debian release should I use -
> Potato with modification for 2.4 or Woody? I want as stable a machine
> configuration as I can get while settling on the 2.4 kernel.
I compiled the needed packages by hand and let the rest of the system
"stable".
You can check what you need with a look at
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/Changes when you've downloaded the 2.4.x
Sources.

Sven

-- 
Subject: Re: woody hanging
> WRT subject.
> $ apt-get install viagra ;-)
[Karsten M. Self in debian-user]

Re: for i in *

[Bruce Sass]

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote:
> Martin Fluch wrote:
>
> > > Of course, some people argue, that spaces in filenames is a Bad
> > > Thing(tm), but I fail to see why.
> >
> > Could exactly this be the reason, why spaces in filenames are considered
> > as a bad thing, since they easily lead into trouble?
>
> But, this trouble is easily avoided with double quotes and on the flip
> side, spaces make things much more readable.
> IMeanIt'SNotLikeWeDon'tUseSpacesInNormalWriting.
> And-I-have-yet-to-see-somebody-who-replaces-all-spaces-with-dashes-or-dots.
> See.what.I.mean?

"I/don't/think/you/would write/text like/this"

Is it one path or three?  It may just be many years of not using
spaces in filenames that has me seeing three paths, even though I've
known for the same amount of time that filenames can contain spaces
and the quotes would seem to indicate that it is one path... but I
think it has more to do with our wetware naturally wanting to break
things up into groups, and a blank space being a natural candidate to
base a division on.

It could be an efficiency issue.

> Also, along with bash's tab completion or GUI file managers, spaces
> don't cause me any trouble.

Ya, computers don't care about efficiency or readability. ;)


- Bruce

Re: Two Problems

[Sidney Brooks]

So far no luck.

Neither lpd nor minicom is present on my official three disk set of Potato.

I tried replacing ATZ with ATX3, they both dial and connect but never get 
on the internet.


I have the same problem of not getting connected with gnome-ppp and kpp.

error in newaliases

[Erik van der Meulen]

I cannot seem to get sendmail running on my laptop. If I run
sendmailconfig I get some errors. First thing that goes wrong seems to
be newaliases. If I run that manually i get:

  Cannot open hash database /etc/mail/aliases.db: Invalid argument
  WARNING: cannot open alias database /etc/mail/aliases
  Cannot create database for alias file /etc/mail/aliases

Does not seen to have to do with permissions as far as I can see.

Any hints much appreciated!

--
  Erik van der Meulen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: for i in *

[D-Man]

| On Sun, 20 May 2001, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote:
| > And-I-have-yet-to-see-somebody-who-replaces-all-spaces-with-dashes-or-dots.

Check the archives for python-list@python.org (aka comp.lang.python).
Tim Peters (and others) routinely close their posts with a long
sentence using dashes instead of spaces.

:-)

its-not-like-My Documents-is-a-good-name-for-your-documents-ly yr's -D

Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel

[D. Hoyem]

For Word Processing what about Word Perfect 8?  There
is a Linux version and it is free, I'm not sure that
it will work on Debian though.  Its a tar.gz file, not
sure about the depends.
--- joe golden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am trying to switch our small (12 machine) NT
> network over to Linux.  Some 
> of the main computer applications at our school are
> web browsing , word 
> processing and spreadsheets (MS Internet Explorer,
> Word and Excel).
> 
> I am running Linux debian 2.2.18pre21 and just
> updated last week.
> 
> Netscape makes a great replacement for Internet
> Explorer.
> 
> Abiword seems to work OK, but sometimes appears to
> split lines and I've had 
> problems importing an image into a document.  I
> haven't used Abiword much, 
> but have already seen these problems.  What is a
> better alternative that 
> isn't too bloated.  This is the major application we
> need for the school.
> 
> For spreadsheets in school, you need to make graphs.
>  Gnumeric seems slick, 
> but last time I checked, *no graphs*.  I need
> graphical representation of 
> data for test scores, etc.
> 
> Is Star Office the answer?  Can the huge Star office
> package be broken into 
> smaller more manageable parts?
> 
> Thanks for previous help and thanks in advance,
> Joe Golden,
> The Stevens School of Peacham
>
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> http://explorer.msn.com
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Re: Two Problems

[D-Man]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 01:00:34PM -0700, Sidney Brooks wrote:
| Neither lpd nor minicom is present on my official three disk set of Potato.

!?  Are you sure?  

http://packages.debian.org/stable/comm/minicom.html

For print spooling there is a choice:
http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/lpr.html
http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/lprng.html
http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/cupsys.html
http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/cupsys-bsd.html

-D

Re: Best way to move to 2.4 kernel?

[David Steinberg]

On 20 May 2001, Randolph S. Kahle wrote:
> My question to the group is this. Which Debian release should I use -
> Potato with modification for 2.4 or Woody? I want as stable a machine
> configuration as I can get while settling on the 2.4 kernel.

I just upgraded from 2.2.18 to 2.4.4 a couple of days ago, and I'm running
Woody.  As expected, it was very smooth.  All of the packages that I
needed were already in place.  I'm not using devfs and I did build the
ipchains.o compatibility module, so I didn't need the iptables or devfsd
packages.

Unfortunately, I can't give you the alternate view (of doing it with
Potato).  Hopefully, someone else can.

Good luck!

--
David Steinberg -o)
Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   _\_v

Network printing HP 840C over Samba

[Matthew Sackman]

Hay all.

I've been setting up a linux gateway for a friend who has got a DSL connection
and three windows me boxes in a home network. Everything has gone smoothly
with Debian Woody and a freshly compiled 2.4.4 kernel and data transfer rates
have risen by three fold due to having a linux gateway instead of an Windows
ME gateway.

However, I've had horrible problems setting up network printing. I've got Samba
set up and that is working fine with various shares that I've set up. I've
finally managed to get CUPS set up with the HP 840C, Foomatic + cdj550 which
will print the test page and does so in colour (impressive indeed)!

But, I can not get any of the windows boxes to print to this printer. In my
samba smb.cnf file I have the following:
[global]
   printing = cups

And that's all in the global section. Then:
[printers]
   comment = All Printers
   browseable = no
   guest ok = true
   path = /tmp
   printable = yes
   public = yes
   writable = yes
   create mode = 0700

The cups is set up as a parallel printer URI parallel:/dev/lp0 and there is
no internal firewall. In /etc/printcap I have:
DeskJet:
which is the name of the printer as defined in cups. Now, all the windows boxes
say they can see this printer, but none print successfully to it. I've
downloaded and installed the latest drivers from the HP site and installed them.
Are there any special settings that I should know about? The hp site says that
these drivers arn't designed for network printing but the printer has worked
from a windows box server.

I am desperate here - I can not figure out why this isn't working. CUPS doesn't
even register that the windows clients are trying to send a print job to the
printer, and printing causes samba and cups to freeze on the server, requiring
a restart of those services.

I'm not particularly bothered about using CUPS - if someone has this printer 
(or similar) working successfully under LPRng (or equiv) then I'd be very
grateful to hear about it. I just really need this printer working.

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer me.

Matthew

-- 

Matthew Sackman
Nottingham,
ENGLAND

Using Debian/GNU Linux
Enjoying computing

Re: Abiword and ttf

[matlads]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 04:45:47PM +0200, Hans wrote:
> Could you please explain what aspects of xfs you had to tweak? I have xfs
> installed. --Hans

http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/FDU/

Martin
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Re: Web server

[Matthew Sackman]

Depends dramatically on what you want to do with it, how many
clients you've expecting to have and the general design of
your site.

If you arn't running much on that machine (no X) then you should
be able to get away with 64MB of RAM for even very popular sites.

However, if your site uses a lot of perl scripts (or other scripts)
and does a lot of server side parsing, or generates images 'on the
fly' or uses ASP or anything intensive then you will want to up the
RAM to 128MB. If your site is doing all of the above and is large
and very popular (say 1 hit every 20 seconds) and handles e-commerce
and uses some very large databases then you'll need more.

It depends!

Matthew

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 10:40:48PM +0530, N. Raghavendra wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> We are moving our web server to a new machine.  How much memory
> do people advise for a web server? Also I'd be happy to get
> information and pointers on security.
> 
> Many thanks,
> Raghavendra.
> 
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-- 

Matthew Sackman
Nottingham,
ENGLAND

Using Debian/GNU Linux
Enjoying computing

Re. Two Problems

[Sidney Brooks]

I do have the package lpr.

I am sure that I do not have minicom nor lpd. I used two methods to verify 
this, apt-get and reading the disks in Windows.