Re: xkb-data: Help needed for Macintosh keyboards
Hi, On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 01:24:02 +0200 Denis Barbier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just uploaded xkb-data_0.8-8exp1_all.deb into experimental to > try to fix this mess. Unfortunately I also have no Mac keyboard, > so I could not test it at all and need your help to find and fix > bugs. When everything is in good shape, I will forward these > patches to upstream. I'll try to find some time to test these as well -- I'm also using my own xkb setup, and am getting a bit tired of reconfiguring it after each Xorg update. Xorg/Xfree Macintosh layouts -- at least the french ones -- have been broken for a long time. This will be a welcomed upload :-) Simon -- Simon Vallet http://www.castalie.org/pubkey.txt Due to massive spam, the address shown in the 'From:' header above only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to e-mail me offlist, just use the 'user' local-part. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xkb-data: Help needed for Macintosh keyboards
Hi, I just tested xkb-data_0.8-10exp1_all.deb from http://people.debian.org/barbier/tmp/ extracted to ~/XKB and symlinked /usr/share/lib/X11/xkb to it : [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/XKB/usr/share/X11/xkb$ ls -l /usr/share/X11/xkb lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2006-09-03 20:14 /usr/share/X11/xkb -> /home/sjv/XKB/usr/share/X11/xkb [EMAIL PROTECTED] setxkbmap -rules xorg -model macintosh -layout fr > * Mac model (ibook, g4, g5, etc) This a G4 silver > * Mac keyboard (USB or not, country variant) Apple Pro keyboard (cf. geometry/macintosh(applepro)) > * xorg.conf options see above > * success or failure report? Nice :-) the 3rd shift level comes from the MacOSX mapping, which appears to be a good choice, and modifiers work OK. Some remarks, though : * F13, F14 and F15 are not mapped (NoSymbol) * Multimedia keys on the keyboard are not mapped (NoSymbol) * I noticed that both AltGr and Shift+AltGr map to ISO_Level3_Shift. This is fine for AltGr, but maybe we could map Shift+AltGr to Mode_Switch to permit a 4th shift level. Suggestions to fix this keyboard: -> add an 'applepro' model to the definition of $mac -> add an 'applepro macintosh(applepro)' to the model<->keycodes section and the corresponding section in keycodes/macintosh -> do what is needed in the corresponding layout (maybe a variant) to get a fully functional keyboard -- best would be to only have these lines in xorg.conf : Option "XkbRules" "xorg" Option "XkbModel" "applepro" Option "XkbLayout" "fr" I'll file a bug+patch against xkb-data after some cleanup of a working configuration I have. For reference, the modifier keys are organized as follows : .--.-.---.--.---.---.--. | Ctrl | Alt | Apple | space| Apple | AltGr | Ctrl | `--^-^---^--^---^---^--' keycodes 3764115 65116 113 109 name Ctrl_L Alt_L Super_L space Super_R ISO_Level3_Shift Ctrl_R As a sidenote, modifier keys from a 12' ibook G4 (running OSX) : ..--.---.--.---.--. | Fn | Ctrl | Apple | space| Apple | KP_Enter | `^--^---^--^---^--^ Simon -- Simon Vallet http://www.castalie.org/pubkey.txt Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from debian hosts. If you wish to email me offlist, just use the 'user' local part. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bug#390432 - still no boot 2.6.18 here
Hi, On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:45:24 +1000 Benjamin Herrenschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2006-10-23 at 22:00 -0700, Brian Morris wrote: > > > i would be more willing to try building my own kernel if i knew > > better what i could take out (config=n). my only guess that quik > > will not boot because some people reported earlier with monolithic > > kernel it would not boot a kernel bigger than 4mb. quik happily boots a 2.6.18 on a Beige G3 here; you should be able to get a kernel bigger than 4MB to boot : [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -a Linux tloen 2.6.18-sjv1 #1 Sun Sep 24 00:34:53 CEST 2006 ppc GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /boot/vmlinux-2.6.18-sjv1 -rwxr-x--- 1 root root 5673578 2006-09-24 00:39 /boot/vmlinux-2.6.18-sjv1 Simon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bug#390432 - still no boot 2.6.18 here
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:10:13 -0700 "Brian Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/23/06, Simon Vallet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on the other hand you may have a point about quik. i don't have > the exact reference for the report so, i don't know, but i do know > there are a listed quik quirks on the linux-ppc pages, so machine dependencies > do create some hassles. Yes -- OF implementations do tend to be very machine-dependent. I can remember hearing about this kind of problems, but never actually experienced them, be it on a G3 or on a 6400. AFAICR, the general solution at that time was to play around with load-base/real-base settings in OF, but I never really went into the details. Ben or other people who actually looked into the assembler bootcode might have more info on this. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /boot/vmlinux-2.6.18-sjv1 > > -rwxr-x--- 1 root root 5673578 2006-09-24 00:39 /boot/vmlinux-2.6.18-sjv1 > > > you build this kernel ? how, can you tell please if you did not use stock > kernel > what was that about. are you using initrd , or is this a monolithic, eg self- > contained image. ( i know i just said it didn't matter but i can use all > the info i can get, and also i might use my beige to build/ test kernel, even > though my target is the "g2" class). This is a monolithic kernel. I never understood the need for an initrd once you know your hardware (the benefit is clear for distribution kernels, however) -- I don't have access to the machine right now, but I'll post the config tonight. Simon -- Simon Vallet http://www.castalie.org/pubkey.txt Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from debian hosts. If you wish to email me offlist, just use the 'user' local part. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bug#390432 - still no boot 2.6.18 here
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:56:47 +0200 Simon Vallet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't have access to the machine right now, but > I'll post the config tonight. Here it is -- note that modules are disabled, and that it is not intended to run on another machine. It also includes many options which are not strictly necessary (RAID, Netfilter, ...) HTH, Simon Begin Kernel Config # # Automatically generated make config: don't edit # Linux kernel version: 2.6.18 # Sat Sep 23 23:32:22 2006 # # CONFIG_PPC64 is not set CONFIG_PPC32=y CONFIG_PPC_MERGE=y CONFIG_MMU=y CONFIG_GENERIC_HARDIRQS=y CONFIG_IRQ_PER_CPU=y CONFIG_RWSEM_XCHGADD_ALGORITHM=y CONFIG_GENERIC_HWEIGHT=y CONFIG_GENERIC_CALIBRATE_DELAY=y CONFIG_GENERIC_FIND_NEXT_BIT=y CONFIG_PPC=y CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK=y CONFIG_GENERIC_NVRAM=y CONFIG_SCHED_NO_NO_OMIT_FRAME_POINTER=y CONFIG_ARCH_MAY_HAVE_PC_FDC=y CONFIG_PPC_OF=y # CONFIG_PPC_UDBG_16550 is not set # CONFIG_GENERIC_TBSYNC is not set CONFIG_AUDIT_ARCH=y # CONFIG_DEFAULT_UIMAGE is not set # # Processor support # CONFIG_CLASSIC32=y # CONFIG_PPC_52xx is not set # CONFIG_PPC_82xx is not set # CONFIG_PPC_83xx is not set # CONFIG_PPC_85xx is not set # CONFIG_PPC_86xx is not set # CONFIG_40x is not set # CONFIG_44x is not set # CONFIG_8xx is not set # CONFIG_E200 is not set CONFIG_6xx=y CONFIG_PPC_FPU=y # CONFIG_ALTIVEC is not set CONFIG_PPC_STD_MMU=y CONFIG_PPC_STD_MMU_32=y # CONFIG_SMP is not set CONFIG_DEFCONFIG_LIST="/lib/modules/$UNAME_RELEASE/.config" # # Code maturity level options # CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y CONFIG_BROKEN_ON_SMP=y CONFIG_INIT_ENV_ARG_LIMIT=32 # # General setup # CONFIG_LOCALVERSION="-sjv1" CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO=y CONFIG_SWAP=y CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y CONFIG_POSIX_MQUEUE=y # CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT is not set # CONFIG_TASKSTATS is not set # CONFIG_AUDIT is not set # CONFIG_IKCONFIG is not set # CONFIG_RELAY is not set CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE="" # CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE is not set # CONFIG_EMBEDDED is not set CONFIG_SYSCTL=y CONFIG_KALLSYMS=y # CONFIG_KALLSYMS_EXTRA_PASS is not set CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y CONFIG_PRINTK=y CONFIG_BUG=y CONFIG_ELF_CORE=y CONFIG_BASE_FULL=y CONFIG_FUTEX=y CONFIG_EPOLL=y CONFIG_SHMEM=y CONFIG_SLAB=y CONFIG_VM_EVENT_COUNTERS=y CONFIG_RT_MUTEXES=y # CONFIG_TINY_SHMEM is not set CONFIG_BASE_SMALL=0 # CONFIG_SLOB is not set # # Loadable module support # # CONFIG_MODULES is not set # # Block layer # # CONFIG_LBD is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IO_TRACE is not set # CONFIG_LSF is not set # # IO Schedulers # CONFIG_IOSCHED_NOOP=y CONFIG_IOSCHED_AS=y CONFIG_IOSCHED_DEADLINE=y CONFIG_IOSCHED_CFQ=y CONFIG_DEFAULT_AS=y # CONFIG_DEFAULT_DEADLINE is not set # CONFIG_DEFAULT_CFQ is not set # CONFIG_DEFAULT_NOOP is not set CONFIG_DEFAULT_IOSCHED="anticipatory" # # Platform support # CONFIG_PPC_MULTIPLATFORM=y # CONFIG_PPC_ISERIES is not set # CONFIG_EMBEDDED6xx is not set # CONFIG_APUS is not set # CONFIG_PPC_CHRP is not set CONFIG_PPC_PMAC=y # CONFIG_PPC_CELL is not set # CONFIG_PPC_CELL_NATIVE is not set # CONFIG_UDBG_RTAS_CONSOLE is not set # CONFIG_PPC_RTAS is not set # CONFIG_MMIO_NVRAM is not set CONFIG_PPC_MPC106=y # CONFIG_PPC_970_NAP is not set # CONFIG_CPU_FREQ is not set # CONFIG_PPC601_SYNC_FIX is not set CONFIG_TAU=y # CONFIG_TAU_INT is not set CONFIG_TAU_AVERAGE=y # CONFIG_WANT_EARLY_SERIAL is not set CONFIG_MPIC=y # # Kernel options # # CONFIG_HIGHMEM is not set # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set CONFIG_HZ_250=y # CONFIG_HZ_1000 is not set CONFIG_HZ=250 CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE=y # CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY is not set # CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y # CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC is not set CONFIG_ARCH_ENABLE_MEMORY_HOTPLUG=y # CONFIG_KEXEC is not set CONFIG_ARCH_FLATMEM_ENABLE=y CONFIG_SELECT_MEMORY_MODEL=y CONFIG_FLATMEM_MANUAL=y # CONFIG_DISCONTIGMEM_MANUAL is not set # CONFIG_SPARSEMEM_MANUAL is not set CONFIG_FLATMEM=y CONFIG_FLAT_NODE_MEM_MAP=y # CONFIG_SPARSEMEM_STATIC is not set CONFIG_SPLIT_PTLOCK_CPUS=4 # CONFIG_RESOURCES_64BIT is not set CONFIG_PROC_DEVICETREE=y # CONFIG_CMDLINE_BOOL is not set # CONFIG_PM is not set # CONFIG_SECCOMP is not set CONFIG_ISA_DMA_API=y # # Bus options # CONFIG_GENERIC_ISA_DMA=y # CONFIG_MPIC_WEIRD is not set # CONFIG_PPC_I8259 is not set CONFIG_PPC_INDIRECT_PCI=y CONFIG_PCI=y CONFIG_PCI_DOMAINS=y # CONFIG_PCIEPORTBUS is not set # # PCCARD (PCMCIA/CardBus) support # # CONFIG_PCCARD is not set # # PCI Hotplug Support # # CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI is not set # # Advanced setup # # CONFIG_ADVANCED_OPTIONS is not set # # Default settings for advanced configuration options are used # CONFIG_HIGHMEM_START=0xfe00 CONFIG_LOWMEM_SIZE=0x3000 CONFIG_KERNEL_START=0xc000 CONFIG_TASK_SIZE=0x8000 CONFIG_BOOT_LOAD=0x0080 # # Networking # CONFIG_NET=y # # Networking options # # CONFIG_NETDEBUG is not set CONFIG_PACKET=y CONFIG_PACKET_MMAP=y CONFIG_UNIX=y CONFIG_XFRM=y CONFIG_XFRM_USER=y CONFIG_NET_KEY=y CONFIG_INET=y CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST=y CONFIG_IP_ADVANCE
Re: call for testers: powerpc graphical debian installer
Hi, I sure am a bit late on this one, but nevertheless... On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 01:40:13 +0200 Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > prep boxes are known not to work yet (needs 2.6.18 -prep kernel), and i am not > sure about the oldworld status, but it would be interesting to know if those > images can be booted with bootx. I tried the following on a 6400: 1. download initrd.gz and vmlinux from http://people.debian.org/~luther/g-i/powerpc/hd-media/, copied them to /boot, and used the following quik configuration: image=/boot/vmlinux-DI initrd=/boot/initrd-DI.gz label=DI which ends in a "No filesystem could mount root, tried: cramfs" error and the corresponding kernel panic 2. tried the same with the initrd.gz and vmlinux from gtk-miniiso/, which results in a "Fatal error: image too large to fit in destination" error, and the corresponding kernel panic as it doesn't find root 3. wanted not try out netbooting, but it is not available on this platform 4. Grabbed an old BootX install on an external SCSI drive, and used gtk-initrd.gz and gtk-linux from the ISO image: whichever combination of 'install video=' parameters I entered, all I got were the OF status messages: everything seems OK until 'MMU:exit', then I don't get any output, be it on the serial console (which is OF's output-device), on a PCI Radeon (on which I get the OF status messages), or on the buit-in valkyrie (which seems to freeze on the MacOS background). If you have other suggestions, I'll happily give them a try Simon -- Simon Vallet http://www.castalie.org/pubkey.txt Due to massive spam, the address shown in the 'From:' header above only accepts mail from debian hosts. If you wish to e-mail me personally, just use the 'user' local part -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: performa 6400/200 - installation doesn't recognize cdrom
Hi, On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:59:11 -0800 (PST) "Mr. Jan Hearthstone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are there any people who successfully installed Debian > on 6400/200? I did, some time ago, though, and on a 180MHz model, but it shouldn't be that much different. > I finally succeeded in booting using miboot floppies > (no other kind worked), the drivers copy well, it'd > seem, but the cdrom doesn't get recognized. I had to use miboot floppies too at that time, and AFAIR the CDROM is a SCSI model. It should be supported out of the box... > Is there any particular cdrom I should download that > would work? > I cannot use net install, as I have only a phone > jack--how hard would it be to get it replaced with an > ethernet card? What should I get to replace the phone > jack? Those models have a special "ComSlotII" used to plug-in a modem (what you currently have) or an Ethernet adapter. If you want to use this slot, you'll need a special Ethernet card for it (and those probably only exist in 10Mb/s versions), which you probably can find on Ebay or similar. My advice would be to use a regular PCI Slot and a common (PC) Ethernet adapter. HTH, Simon -- Simon Vallet http://www.castalie.org/pubkey.txt Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from debian hosts. If you wish to email me offlist, just use the 'user' local part. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sven Luther
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:44:08 +0200 Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sven (CCed) asked me if I could do something to get his ban lifted on > debian-powerpc as has happened on ocaml-list before. It is my understanding > that Sven is actively participating in debian-powerpc efforts, and so it would > be nice if he could write to this list as well. > > The listmasters required that some discussion be held, and once finished they > be pointed at it, so they can decide wether to lift it or not. Well, as a PPC user, I think Sven has been very helpful on debian-powerpc, and for the Debian PowerPC port in general. I don't particularly want to know who's the bad guy and who's the good one: this whole banning thing has IMO only had negative impacts. I vote for this silly ban to get lifted. Simon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recent posts to -powerpc
Hi, Sven, I *really* appreciate the work you have been doing for Debian -- others might not, and might be wrong in this particular aspect --, and I've personally not had any problems working with you. *But*, while I'm not really informed about the political aspects, I think there is some final agreement to reach on this. This whole thing about you complaining and some other people "treating you bad" can't go on forever, especially on public mailing lists. Sadly, I think there are few alternatives: either you can handle this, not taking whichever comments too personally, or you can't. This is a personal choice -- nobody can tell you how you have to feel. If the first answer is the closer one, then please stop complaining, and contribute, since this is what you seem to want. If the second answer is closer to what you feel, then I'm sure there will be plenty other people who'll be happy to benefit from your knowledge and skills. The point being that you can't be a team member in a team who doesn't want you to -- again, this might well reveal management issues, since letting talented and helpful individuals develop such blatant dissatisfaction is never really productive : I don't know the Debian internals well enough to have an opinion on this. So -- to all of those who are directly implied in this endless story : I don't know why you feel that Sven is inadequate in whatever team he belonged in, but consider the question wisely : I personally don't know of many people who are able/willing to put the effort Sven did into the PowerPC port. Sven : consider quiting Debian/forking/whatever, but please stop complaining -- I think hardly anybody will accept you as a leader with such an attitude. Simon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: G3 Beige Tower install help
Hi Stephen, On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:22:01 + Stephen Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would appreciate if the experts here could help me out -- Here's what I've > tried so far; > > Using the Debian-Etch-PPC net install CD, I booted up with my MacOS 9 > CD. However when booted with > system CD, it can't see the Debian Net install cd if I put it in the > scsi CD drive. If I reverse > this, and put the MacOS 9 in the scsi CD player, it boots fine, but > sill doesn't see the Debian > net install cd, in the onboard ata CD Drive. So, I can't start the > install. > > I don't have a Linux workstation available to make boot floppies; Can these > boot floppies be made in MacOS > ? If so how ? All the instructions I've been able to grep assume that one has > a Linux box handy to make > boot floppies. Do I need to go the boot floppy route, or should I be able to > boot with the MacOS system > CD, and then mount the Debian net install on the other drive ? AFAICR you can't boot those systems using a standard install CD -- it might have something to do with some parts of the boot code being proprietary and as such not freely redistributable. There are at least three ways to boot an Oldworld : quik, some utility that piggy-backs on the MacOS bootloader (I can't recall the name), or directly booting a COFF kernel image (I'm not even sure that one works on the beige G3). I personally use quik, but this might not be your best option : if you want to go that route, search for posts similar to yours in the archives -- I posted quite a lot of messages to the list at that time (some years back, I fear). The MacOS utility is quite simpler to install, but it requires MacOS, and is a bit of a hassle when you want to update your kernel. As for starting the installer, I fear you will have to use floppies (yes, they still exist ;-)) -- look for something called "miboot", I think that's what I used at that time. Good luck, Simon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installer doesn't see the drive on a dual 867
> When I reboot the system after this, I get a white screen... nothing > happens. I have to reboot the machine, and if I go to the OF prompt, I > can type 'boot ultra2:9,yaboot'. > > BUT, on the next screen, when I try to just hit enter (or type Linux and > then enter, doesn't matter) it says > > Can't open device > hd:11,/vmlinux: Unable to open file, Invalid device > > Any ideas? because apparently OF uses 'ultra2' and linux uses '/dev/hda' > and it's not liking it... maybe your boot-variables are set incorrectly ? you can get the 'real' name of your disk by typing 'dev / ls' at the OF prompt, or 'devalias' for the aliases check against 'printenv' ... -- Simon Vallet Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ati driver & xfree86
.67 Hz (II) ATI(0): Apple Multiple Scan 15 Display: Using vrefresh value of 60.00 Hz (II) ATI(0): Apple Multiple Scan 15 Display: Using vrefresh value of 70.00 Hz (II) ATI(0): Apple Multiple Scan 15 Display: Using vrefresh value of 72.00 Hz (II) ATI(0): Apple Multiple Scan 15 Display: Using vrefresh value of 75.00 Hz (II) ATI(0): Maximum clock: 112.00 MHz (II) ATI(0): Not using mode "640x480" (hsync out of range) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (vrefresh out of range) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "640x400" (vrefresh out of range) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "720x400" (vrefresh out of range) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (vrefresh out of range) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1152x864" (hsync out of range) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (hsync out of range) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) ATI(0): Not using mode "640x480" (no mode of this name) (--) ATI(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024) (**) ATI(0): Mode "1024x768": 74.9 MHz, 56.4 kHz, 70.0 Hz (**) ATI(0): Default mode "800x600": 50.0 MHz, 48.1 kHz, 72.2 Hz (++) ATI(0): DPI set to (100, 100) (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libxaa.a (II) Module xaa: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libramdac.a (II) Module ramdac: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 0.1.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a (II) Module fb: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) ATI(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) Screen to screen bit blits Solid filled rectangles 8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion Solid Lines Offscreen Pixmaps Setting up tile and stipple cache: 32 128x128 slots 18 256x256 slots 6 512x512 slots (==) ATI(0): Backing store disabled (==) ATI(0): Silken mouse enabled (**) ATI(0): DPMS enabled (WW) ATI(0): Option "UseFBDev" is not used PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file Roman_M (II) Keyboard "Apple ADB keyboard" handled by legacy driver (**) Kensington ADB Mouse: Protocol: "ImPS/2" (**) Kensington ADB Mouse: Core Pointer (==) Kensington ADB Mouse: Buttons: 3 (**) Kensington ADB Mouse: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50 (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Kensington ADB Mouse" (type: MOUSE) xinit: connection to X server lost. waiting for X server to shut down -- Simon Vallet Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ati driver & xfree86
On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 12:01:11AM -0500, marco wrote: > line 4 enter EXTRAVERSION = -newpmac does it really changes something ? I was thinking this was only necessary for the kernel to find its modules ... I'm running an OldWorld mac :-( with no support for modules in the kernel, and not the same kernel version (2.4.20-rc4-ben0) ... I'll try to find something appropriate ... you never know -- Simon Vallet Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ati driver & xfree86
On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 11:28:30AM +0100, Jeroen Diederen wrote: > Option "UseFBDev" "true" > Option "ForcePCIMode" "true" still no joy ... > load dri ... but dri wasn't compiled into the kernel (it didn't compile without CONFIG_AGP, and I don't have an agp port) ... recompiling right now :) > driver "r128" in the "Device" section ?
Re: ati driver & xfree86
On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 02:09:51PM +0100, Simon Vallet wrote: > On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 11:28:30AM +0100, Jeroen Diederen wrote: > > Option "UseFBDev" "true" > > Option "ForcePCIMode" "true" > > still no joy ... > > > load dri > > ... but dri wasn't compiled into the kernel (it didn't compile without > CONFIG_AGP, > and I don't have an agp port) ... recompiling right now :) Ok, dri support is built into the kernel and should be ok (/proc/dri/0 exists) > > driver "r128" this doesn't work ... the server is expecting a Rage 128 chipset, and doesn't accept mine (Rage LT Pro / Mach64) : (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found so I tried with the 'ati' driver, and the suggested options ... same problem : the screen is getting black By looking at the logs, I get the following : XFree86 Version 4.1.0.1 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6510) Release Date: 21 December 2001 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.18-powerpc-smp ppc [ELF] [ ... ] (--) PCI: (0:14:0) ATI Mach64 LI rev 220, Mem @ 0x8100/24, 0x8080/12, I/O @ 0x0400/8, BIOS @ 0x8082/17 (--) ATI(0): ATI 3D Rage LT Pro graphics controller detected. (WW) ATI(0): Cannot shadow an accelerated frame buffer. (--) ATI(0): Internal programmable clock generator detected. (--) ATI(0): Reference clock 157.5/11 (14.318) MHz. (II) ATI(0): Apple Multiple Scan 15 Display: Using hsync range of 30.00-60.00 kHz (II) ATI(0): Apple Multiple Scan 15 Display: Using vrefresh range of 60.00-75.00 Hz (II) ATI(0): Maximum clock: 96.00 MHz (--) ATI(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024) (**) ATI(0): Mode "1024x768": 74.9 MHz, 56.4 kHz, 70.0 Hz (**) ATI(0): Mode "[EMAIL PROTECTED]": 49.9 MHz, 48.0 kHz, 72.1 Hz (**) ATI(0): Mode "[EMAIL PROTECTED]": 39.9 MHz, 37.8 kHz, 60.2 Hz (**) ATI(0): Mode "640x480": 25.1 MHz, 31.3 kHz, 59.7 Hz (++) ATI(0): DPI set to (100, 100) (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libxaa.a (II) Module xaa: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libramdac.a (II) Module ramdac: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 0.1.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a (II) Module fb: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp (II) ATI(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) Screen to screen bit blits Solid filled rectangles 8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion Solid Lines Offscreen Pixmaps Setting up tile and stipple cache: 32 128x128 slots 10 256x256 slots (==) ATI(0): Backing store disabled (==) ATI(0): Silken mouse enabled (**) ATI(0): DPMS enabled (WW) ATI(0): Option "UseFBDev" is not used (WW) ATI(0): Option "ForcePCIMode" is not used It seems that the server isn't accepting the "UseFBDev" and "ForcePCIMode" options Apart from that, README.DRI only mentions the Rage128 and Radeon chips, maybe my card isn't supported ? Is dri really needed (2D acceleration is fine for me) ? *Simon
Re: ati driver & xfree86
On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 04:10:46PM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote:
>
> So apparently the monitor doesn't like the mode the X server uses.
In the Monitor section, I tried to change this :
HorizSync 31.77,35.0,37.9,48.1,49.7,56.5
VertRefresh 60,66.67,60,70,72,75
to this :
HorizSync 30-60
VertRefresh 60-75
so that the server tries more modes, but the problem remains ...
> > (**) ATI(0): Using CRT interface and disabling digital flat panel.
>
> Is this correct? What machine and monitor is it?
My machine is an OldWorld PowerMac 6400/180,
and the monitor is a standard Apple 15 inch, (no flat panel)
> > (**) ATI(0): Mode "1024x768": 74.9 MHz, 56.4 kHz, 70.0 Hz
>
> One advice would have been to make sure the same mode as in console is
> used, but that already seems to be the case...
I think it is ; fbset says :
mode "1024x768-70"
# D: 74.884 MHz, H: 56.389 kHz, V: 69.961 Hz
geometry 1024 768 1024 8172 8
timings 13354 144 24 29 3 136 6
accel true
rgba 8/0,8/0,8/0,0/0
endmode
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Re: ati driver & xfree86
On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 04:50:04PM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote: > To get 2D working, your best bet is to keep playing with modes and maybe > upgrading to XFree86 4.2.1. I'll try upgrading ... Thanks to all for advice -- Simon Vallet Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Initializing linux partition on install results in reboot.
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 01:53:31PM -0500, Joel Schander wrote: > [...] no idea about the rebooting problem... > One thing that may be important but I'm not sure is that /dev/hda2 and > /dev/hda3 are both drivers of some sort. I've attempted deleting them as > the box will not have multiple OSes installed, but this results in an > error something like: "Sorry: can't delete a driver partition (yet!)". did you try 'i' in mac-fdisk ? this will leave only the partition map, and show everything else as free. You'll have to re-create your partitions by hand, though, but you don't need the driver partition to boot with quik HTH, Simon -- Simon Vallet Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ati driver & xfree86 [solved]
Hi !
Finally fixed the problem : accelerated X is running :-)
Here's the working "Device" Section : this may help people with older
ati cards to get acceleration working (it is the trouble worth)
The trick was to change the reference clock : look at
http://www.xfree86.org/support.html, especially the
"ATI Adapters README file" for your release
Section "Device"
Option "accel" "true"
Option "crt_screen" "true"
Option "hw_cursor" "true"
Option "dpms" "true"
Option "reference_clock" "29.5MHz"
Option "shadow_fb" "false"
Identifier "XClaim 3D Plus"
Driver "ati"
VendorName "ATI"
BoardName "Mach64 LI"
ChipSet "ati"
# The following is from X -configure
ChipId 0x4c49
ChipRev 0xdc
BusID "PCI:0:14:0"
EndSection
Good luck,
Simon
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Confusing /proc/pci output
Hi,
I just got an ethernet card for my machine, and wanted
to check that everything is allright.
Looking at /proc/pci, i get the following :
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /proc/pci
PCI devices found:
Bus 0, device 11, function 0:
Host bridge: Apple Computer Inc. Bandit PowerPC host bridge (rev 3).
IRQ 22.
Master Capable. Latency=32.
Bus 0, device 14, function 0:
VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage LT Pro (rev 220).
IRQ 25.
Master Capable. Latency=32. Min Gnt=8.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0x8100 [0x81ff].
I/O at 0x400 [0x4ff].
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0x80801000 [0x80801fff].
Bus 0, device 16, function 0:
Class ff00: Apple Computer Inc. O'Hare I/O (rev 1).
IRQ 22.
Master Capable. Latency=32.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xf300 [0xf307].
Bus 0, device 17, function 0:
Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21041 [Tulip
Pass 3] (rev 33).
IRQ 22.
Master Capable. Latency=32.
I/O at 0x1000 [0x107f].
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0x8080 [0x8080007f].
("bandit" is the pci controller, and "ohare" is the I/O controller,
both the ati and ethernet cards are accessible directly from bandit (OF)).
'dmesg' doesn't show any obvious errors, but I'm confused...
Is it normal that some devices share the same IRQ (22) ?
Thanks,
Simon
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Re: starmax 3000 boot settings
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 02:18:31PM +, Nicholas Helps wrote:
>
> Set input/output devices to kbd and screen.
> Auto-boot left set at true.
> Set boot-device to ata/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0
> no boot-file set
I suggest you set auto-boot to false until you have the right settings :
if your video settings are OK, you will then be able to change your vars
from OF ('printenv' shows your vars, and 'setenv var value' sets var to value)
> On restart I get a white screen with some text on it about quik second stage
> boot, woody.., then a boot: prompt. I
> tried entering "linux", "boot", "vmlinux". It kept asking for a path to the
> kernel. So I tried things like
> dev/hda2/vmlinux, etc. None of these worked.
Actually, these are Linux paths, not OF paths ; the correct path should look
like the following : ata/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0/boot/vmlinux (if your vmlinux is
in /boot)
But you don't need this if your quik.conf is OK -- and there is no reason why
it shouldn't work
> Presumably I am missing something very simple. I did see a "quirk" of "quik"
> for the starmax where it said what
> the boot-device should be set to (as above) and somewhere else that is said
> you usually do not need to set a
> boot-file.
That's not a quirk -- as far as I know -- it is only the name of your device
under OF (you may even see your entire device tree under OF with 'dev / ls').
The boot-file can be specified absolutely, as above, or relatively,
specifying only the name you assigned to an image in quik.conf ('Linux')
It is very weird that you don't find your vmlinux somewhere on your disk ;
that is definitely the first thing to fix. Once this is done, the following
steps should be easy
HTH,
Simon
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Re: Confusing /proc/pci output
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 01:51:06PM +0100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: > > 'dmesg' doesn't show any obvious errors, but I'm confused.. > > Is it normal that some devices share the same IRQ (22) ? Actually, switching kernels (2.4.21-pre5 -> 2.4.20-ben7) cause dmesg to output more information : Linux version 2.4.20-ben7 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 3.2.1 20020924 (Debian prerelease)) #1 Wed Mar 5 00:46:43 CET 2003 Found a OHare mac-io controller, rev: 1, mapped at 0xfdf0 PowerMac motherboard: Alchemy Cache coherency enabled for bandit/PSX Found Bandit PCI host bridge at 0xf200. Firmware bus number: 0->0 hose bandit, pci_mem_offset: , start0: f300 io_base_virt: fd6fd000, io_base_phys: f200, isa_mem_base: On node 0 totalpages: 34816 zone(0): 34816 pages. zone(1): 0 pages. zone(2): 0 pages. [...] PCI: Probing PCI hardware Scanning bus 00 Found 00:58 [106b/0001] 000600 00 Found 00:70 [1002/4c49] 000300 00 Found 00:80 [106b/0007] 00ff00 00 Found 00:88 [1011/0014] 000200 00 Fixups for bus 00 Bus scan for 00 returning with max=00 PCI:00:0e.0: Resource 0: 8100-81ff (f=200), vd: 1002, dev: 4c49 PCI:00:0e.0: Resource 2: 80801000-80801fff (f=200), vd: 1002, dev: 4c49 PCI:00:10.0: Resource 0: f300-f307 (f=200), vd: 106b, dev: 0007 PCI:00:0e.0: Resource 1: 0400-04ff (f=101), vd: 1002, dev: 4c49 PCI:00:11.0: Resource 0: 0400-047f (f=101), vd: 1011, dev: 0014 resource conflict with: 400..4ff (101), name: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage LT Pro PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 0 of device 00:11.0 PCI: parent is c0286030: -007f (f=100) PCI:00:11.0: Resource 1: 8080-8080007f (f=200), vd: 1011, dev: 0014 [...] Linux Tulip driver version 0.9.15-pre12 (Aug 9, 2002) PCI: Enabling device 00:11.0 (0004 -> 0007) tulip0: 21041 Media table, default media (Autosense). tulip0: 21041 media #0, 10baseT. tulip0: 21041 media #1, 10base2. tulip0: 21041 media #2, AUI. eth0: Digital DC21041 Tulip rev 33 at 0xc9912000, 21041 mode, 00:A0:40:61:9D:5C, IRQ 22. > Look at /proc/interrupts after the driver is loaded to see what > interrupts are actually used. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 4: 0 PMAC-PIC Edge SCC-txdma 5:854 PMAC-PIC Edge SCC-rxdma 6: 0 PMAC-PIC Edge SCC-txdma 7: 0 PMAC-PIC Edge SCC-rxdma 8: 1 PMAC-PIC Edge Built-in Sound out 9: 1 PMAC-PIC Edge Built-in Sound in 12: 53 PMAC-PIC Edge MESH 13: 6725 PMAC-PIC Edge ide0 15: 69665 PMAC-PIC Edge SCC 16: 0 PMAC-PIC Edge SCC 17: 0 PMAC-PIC Edge Built-in Sound misc 18: 777385 PMAC-PIC Edge ADB 19: 0 PMAC-PIC Edge SWIM3 BAD: 0 all drivers are build into the kernel (no modules) Simon -- Simon Vallet Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Confusing /proc/pci output
> What kind of machine is this? I have never seen an Apple hardware that didn't reserve a > dedicated IRQ line per PCI slot. The machine is an OldWorld Powermac 6400/180 (motherboard is Alchemy, if that helps), and the Ethernet card is actually in a special "CommSlot" (which seems to be on the PCI bus (OF)) , not in a PCI slot. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
RE: Confusing /proc/pci output
> Is your ethernet working now, by the way? Yes it does... Thanks :-) -- Simon Vallet Institut National Agronomique de Paris-Grignon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: my ppc breathes again
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 04:59:12PM +0100, David Campillos wrote:
> Hi,
>
> ok, it starts, but did I loose the data? How can I recover the structure
> I had before?
that is the funny part ;-)
if you don't know what the settings are, you'll have to look at :
http://www.penguinppc.org/projects/quik for the correct settings for your
machine
and then use 'nvsetenv' to set the vars accordingly :
'nvsetenv
from an old paper copy (settings for a PowerMac 9600/233... didn't find 350) :
'input-device' to 'kbd'
'output-device'to '/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ATY,[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
(if you use the default graphic adapter)
('/bandit/ATY,mach64' may also work)
'boot-device' (this is the important part) -> varies :(
may be 'scsi/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0' or 'ata/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0' or ...
'boot-file' to the label you assigned to your kernel in quik.conf
The best way to find the correct boot-device may be to set 'auto-boot' to
false, and then typing 'dev / ls' at the OF prompt (but it will work only if
your output-device is correct) or look in /proc (i know it is possible to have
a copy of your OF device tree in there, but I don't know exactly where)
hth,
Simon
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Re: nvsetenv
On Tue, Apr 08, 2003 at 05:14:36PM +0200, David Campillos wrote: > Hello again! Hi :-) > My machine: PPC 9600/350 > My problem: it breathes with any problem > > I am trying to set the parameters in order to boot the correct kernel > image. As some list members wrote, I am using the nvsetenv command. > This is the configuration set by me with nvsetenv command: > auto-boot?false you may try 'true' also, if you don't get any screen output > boot-device scsi/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0 Are you sure you are booting off a scsi hd ? if not, 'ata/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0' or similar could be the right thing > boot-file /boot/vmlinux-2.2.19-pmac // I think it is the correct if the boot-device is correct, try with the full path : 'scsi/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0/boot/vmlinux-2.2.19-pmac' > output-device /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ATY,[EMAIL PROTECTED] did you try 'screen' ? > The problem is that with this parameters the computer does not start. > The screen does not output any boot message, and a display says 'no > signal input or cable disconnected'. > > Where is the problem? Any idea? I think you've got the wrong output-device settings ... and maybe the wrong boot-device (not very helpful, I know...) Unfortunately, this parameters are peculiar to your hardware. If it boots another way (for example with floppy), look in /proc to see if you have a device tree that looks like the paths in OF. I don't know where it is exactly because that option is not built into my kernel, but I _think_ it is in the default kernel. If you find the tree, you may be able to see your devices and the correct path to them (this should be under 'ata' for IDE hd, under 'scsi' for SCSI, and your video card should be under 'bandit'). 'dmesg' could also give you some information, at least about your video hw You can also check http://www.apple.com (the support page) to find a detailled description of your machine: all machines are archived somewhere (sorry for the lack of detail). It may include a System Block Diagram that will show you what hardware you have, and corresponding names (e.g. 'bandit' for the pci bus). hth, Simon -- Simon Vallet Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hd access errors
Hi,
my machine is outpouting some strange messages ; at boot, I get the
following :
Linux version 2.4.21-pre7-ben0 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 3.2.1 20020924
(Debian prerelease))
[...]
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta-2.4
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
ide-pmac: no intrs for device /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL
PROTECTED], using 13
ide0: Found Apple OHare ATA controller, bus ID 0
Probing IDE interface ide0...
hda: IBM-DJAA-31700, ATA DISK drive
Unhandled interrupt d, disabled
hda: Enabling MultiWord DMA 2
ide0 at 0xc9912000-0xc9912007,0xc9912160 on irq 13
hda: attached ide-disk driver.
hda: task_no_data_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hda: task_no_data_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
hda: 3334464 sectors (1707 MB) w/96KiB Cache, CHS=3308/16/63, DMA
Partition check:
hda: [mac] hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4
Is there something I can do about the errors mentionned above (the drive
seems to work fine, anyway, but... ) ?
A second problem is when I look the at the /proc/interrupts output:
CPU0
4: 0 PMAC-PIC Edge SCC-txdma
5: 0 PMAC-PIC Edge SCC-rxdma
6: 0 PMAC-PIC Edge SCC-txdma
7: 0 PMAC-PIC Edge SCC-rxdma
8: 1 PMAC-PIC Edge Built-in Sound out
9: 1 PMAC-PIC Edge Built-in Sound in
12: 53 PMAC-PIC Edge MESH
13: 1514 PMAC-PIC Edge ide0
15: 0 PMAC-PIC Edge SCC
16: 0 PMAC-PIC Edge SCC
17: 0 PMAC-PIC Edge Built-in Sound misc
18: 15383 PMAC-PIC Edge ADB
19: 0 PMAC-PIC Edge SWIM3
22: 52 PMAC-PIC Level eth0
23: 0 PMAC-PIC Level eth1
BAD: 1
What is this 'BAD' line meaning ?
I welcome any suggestions,
thanks,
Simon
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Another quik/beige G3 boot attempt
Hi! I'm currently trying to boot a Beige G3 (OFv2.4) with quik, and I keep getting "CLAIM failed!" messages. This topic has already been discussed on this list, but the solutions didn't work for me: here is what I did : - downloaded System Disk 2.3.1 and applied the OF patch - downloaded the modified first.b : quik-first.b-g3, copied it under /target/boot/first.b - set auto-boot? to false and rebooted At the OF prompt, i tried the following values for load-base (it seems that "CLAIM failed !" messages indicate an incorrect value for this setting) : 4000, 6, 10, 60(NetBSD), and 100. Did _someone_ succeed to boot a beige G3 using quik ? If so, which settings could work ? (for example, change the real-base or something else) (Please CC me in your replies ; I am on the list, but with another address, and pop access to the mail server is currently down) Any help is appreciated, Simon -- Simon Vallet Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Accédez au courrier électronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; 3615 LAPOSTENET (0,34/mn) ; tél : 08 92 68 13 50 (0,34/mn)
Re: Another quik/beige G3 boot attempt
> Whenever you get CLAIM FAILED, before re-trying, use reset-all. > The memory map is hosed after CLAIM FAILED. i did > > This topic has already been discussed on this list, but the solutions didn't work for me: here is what I did : > > - downloaded System Disk 2.3.1 and applied the OF patch > > - downloaded the modified first.b : quik-first.b-g3, copied it under /target/boot/first.b > > Did you actually run quik after this step? Running quik places the > first.b code in the boot block. If you are in the installer, you > will need to use quik -r /target to do this. I did, but with as follows : quik -v (in a /target chroot'ed shell) I'm going to try this > I don't really believe changing load-base makes a difference ... the NetBSD people say that this may help : http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/faq.html#ofw-claim-failed don't know if it is the same under Linux, though > > > Did _someone_ succeed to boot a beige G3 using quik ? > > It's been done, rarely. I think Michel Lanners is an example in > the archives. Let's hope that he'll not be the only one :-) In case I don't succed, is BootX working reliably on G3's ? Accédez au courrier électronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; 3615 LAPOSTENET (0,34/mn) ; tél : 08 92 68 13 50 (0,34/mn)
Re: Another quik/beige G3 boot attempt
> On 12 Jul, this message from Simon Vallet echoed through cyberspace: > >> I don't really believe changing load-base makes a difference ... > > > > the NetBSD people say that this may help : > > http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/faq.html#ofw-claim-failed > > I'm not sure all their OF explanations are correct. I guess you were both right : I tried many possible combinations of load-base/real-base, with no success... > > don't know if it is the same under Linux, thoug. > > There won't be any difference on the OF side... OF isn't changed by the > OS :-) Of course, but I can remember I had to change the real-base on an older mac because the kernel was too big (OF was not changed, but affected) > I have no idea, I'm lucky enough to not need BootX, and have gotten rid > of MacOS... Maybe I'll have to keep a MacOS partition :-(, but I still want to try some things : - in OF, when I 'dev' to '/pci/mac-io/[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (first ide) and 'ls' there, i get the following : /[EMAIL PROTECTED],0 /[EMAIL PROTECTED],0 and I would have expected: /[EMAIL PROTECTED],0 (master) /[EMAIL PROTECTED],0 (slave) could this confuse quik ? - do the limitations listed there : http://mike.quintero.staff.noctrl.edu/slackintosh/index-2002-07-12.html still apply ? - I noticed the presence of a quik-1.3.1.tar.gz at http://www.cpu.lu/~mlan/ftp/ Is this version still pertinent ? I use quik 2.0... could the changes have break something ? I just want to be sure to try everything before using BootX... Simon -- Simon Vallet Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Accédez au courrier électronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; 3615 LAPOSTENET (0,34/mn) ; tél : 08 92 68 13 50 (0,34/mn)
PC graphic adapters on Mac Harware
Hi, I consider purchasing a graphic card for my beige G3. Is it possible to simply pick a "PC" card, or are there any hardware incompatibilities which would prevent it from working ? -- Simon Vallet Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon eqdar at castalie dot org
Re: PC graphic adapters on Mac Harware
On 02 Aug 2003 16:11:52 +0200 Michel Dänzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not hardware per se, but the firmware is a problem. IIRC only the tdfx > driver(s) can initialize a card from the ground up, for others you > should pick a 'Mac' card. Do you have any particular card(s) in mind? I was thinking about ATI, as I have some experience with those cards, but if there is a "better" (or cheaper ;) choice, why not ? If I got it right, I may be able to get a working tdfx card (what is the chipset -- tdfx ?), even if it is a PC-BIOS enabled card, but I'll have to choose a Mac-specific card otherwise (which is perfectly fine for me, as long as I know why -- and now I think I do) ? Thanks, Simon
Re: PC graphic adapters on Mac Hardware
> purpose. The trouble is, the gentleman wants to put the card into a > Beige Mac, and I rather think he's stuck with an expensive ATI Mac card. The gentleman is OK with this (but may wait a little bit before purchasing the card :-)
Re: Help with X using ATI pci card?
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:18:44 -0500 "W. Crowshaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry I didn't follow the discussion... maybe this won't apply to your particuklar issue. However, if you have troubles getting an ATI XClaim 3D working with X, I can remember I had one working. The card was an ATI XCLaim 3D (Plus) with a Rage LT Pro Chipset. I had it working with a 4.2 version of the xserver using the 'ati' driver (which loaded atimisc, I think). I remember I had some problems with the display : the X server was running fine, but my monitor wouldn't show anything... I had to set the 'referenceclock' parameter to a special value. I posted my config to the list at that time, try looking in the archives. Again, sorry for the lack of details, but the machine doesn't run X anymore. I'll check to see if I have a backup of my config file somewhere. HTH, Simon -- Simon Vallet Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new Apple symbols map (exposes kernel buglets?)
[Cc'ing to the list] On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:49:58 +0200 Frank Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > to increse that convergence. The keycode/key symbol mapping doesn't look > totally consistient ( = Help), but I blame that on the PC-keyboard bias. > :) I'm not sure what you meant here, but on my keyboard (Apple extended II), the help key and the insert key are the same (that is, something like " = Help" makes sense to me) > As far as an Apple keyboard that has an Insert key beneath the Delete key, I > don't know. Who on this list has an extended keyboard and can share? I do :-). Again I'm not sure I got you right here (excuse my bad english) : my Delete key is just under the insert/help key, e.g. : - | INS | - | DEL | - Just another thought : why bother with the Mode_Switch / Multi-Key ; you could get a perfectly working keyboard with the ISO_Level3_Shift (mapped to AltGr, for example). That's what I have here because somehow it makes more sense for me. (The purpose of Mode_switch was to be able to change the alphabet (set of symbols) you are using, or am I missing something ?) Regards, Simon
Re: new Apple symbols map (exposes kernel buglets?)
On 23 Aug 2003 19:27:53 +0200
Michel Dänzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW, you probably mean i.e. (latin abbreviation for 'id est', 'that
> is'), not e.g. ('exempli gratia', 'for example').
I did ;-)
> But you're saying that the Insert key is also Help? Does that mean that
> both are engraved on it, or what is?
Yes : it says "inser" and "aide" (french keyboard). "inser" is smaller and at
the top of the key ; the larger "aide" is at the bottom.
> > Just another thought : why bother with the Mode_Switch / Multi-Key ;
> > you could get a perfectly working keyboard with the ISO_Level3_Shift
>
> First time I hear of this. :) Looks to be similar to Mode_switch, how do
> they differ?
Mode_switch switches modes (as the name tells) : to get the "extended" symbol
you have to look in the second "group", i.e. (this time the good one ;-) :
key { [at, numbersign], [asciitilde]}
With ISO_Level3, you only change the shift level, leaving the second group
(mode) available (for other languages/keymaps) :
key { [at, numbersign, asciitilde]}
you could have something like this, which shows the mapping of TLDE for (at
least my) french and german keyboards :
key { [at, numbersign, asciitilde], [dead_circumflex, degree,
]}
Mode_switch would then switch (or toggle ?) between a french and a german
keyboard. The third shift level (asciitilde) would be activated by another key
(AltGr).
> > (mapped to AltGr, for example).
>
> Well, the major part of the discussion has been about which physical key
> this should on a laptop keyboard...
Yes, I agree it is a different (and tricky) problem, but as I got it, the
us(extended) map would also be modified ... ?
Re: new Apple symbols map (exposes kernel buglets?)
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:57:28 +0200
Frank Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does your keyboard actually say "Insert" on the key? If so, we may have to
> reconsider what this key should be mapped to.
Yes it does : it says "inser" and "aide" (french keyboard)
> Mode_switch is used to generate the third- and fourth shift-levels associated
> with a particular keysym.
>
> In this case of what to do when pressing the 1 key:
>
> key { [ 1, exclam, onesuperior, exclamdown ] };
>
> '1' and 'exclam' are generated with 1 and Shift+1. 'onesuperior' and
> 'exclamdown' are generated with Mode_shift+1 and Mode_shift+Shift+1.
what I got here is :
key {type="THREE_LEVEL", [ ampersand, 1, EuroSign ] };
(BTW, X doesn't seem very happy with the 'EuroSign' : what is the correct alias
?)
(and this last mapping is arbitrary : I don't have a third symbol engraved on
AE keys)
and
key { ISO_Level3_Shift }
modifier_map Mod2 { ISO_Level3_Shift }
> ISO_Level3_Shift is used to shift whole groups, like from Latin to Cyrillic.
I was just thinking the exact opposite (see my other message), but the docs
weren't very clear to me, so I may be wrong.
Re: new Apple symbols map (exposes kernel buglets?)
On 23 Aug 2003 20:06:48 +0200 Michel Dänzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ugh, this gets messier the deeper you dig. My motivation is on a sharp > decline again. You seem to have a good understanding though, care to fix > it once and for all? :) I was thinking I did, but a recent message made me doubt again :-( It seems that both keys (ISO_Level3_Shift and Mode_Switch) give you the third shift level of the first group (It think it actually depends on the key "type", but...) XKB is _really_ tricky (because of its high customization level, I think) and few documentation is available... I'm actually quite a novice in these things (just wanted to fix my keyboard), so I wouldn't rely on my understanding to fix (or break ;) other peoples keyboard... > PS: Please consider wrapping long lines. I'm sorry for that, changed my mailer recently...
Re: new Apple symbols map (exposes kernel buglets?)
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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:20:21 +0200
Frank Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 23 August 2003 7:56, Simon Vallet wrote:
> > Michel Dänzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > But you're saying that the Insert key is also Help? Does that mean that
> > > both are engraved on it, or what is?
> >
> > Yes : it says "inser" and "aide" (french keyboard). "inser" is smaller and
> > at the top of the key ; the larger "aide" is at the bottom.
>
> Hmmm... In the UK and Switzerland, it doesn't say Insert at all...
>
> Should I add Insert to the first shift-level? It sounds like it looks similar
> to the "9/(" or "1/!" keys visualization of the first shift-level. Or would
> the 2nd shift-level be better?
>
> key { [ Help, Insert ] }; // I prefer this
I agree, this would be better.
> I think that your explaination is exactly backwards.
As I said, I have no deep knowledge of XKB, but the ISO_Level3 is explicitly
mentionned here, as well as in Ivan Pascal's docs at tsu.ru (which doesn't seem
to be online anymore) :
http://www.xfree86.org/current/XKB-Enhancing4.html
> The ability to toggle ISO_Level3_Shift is done with ISO_Next_Group. I don't
> think Mode_switch can be toggled.
I don't really know this... I think _every_ single modifier key can be "locked"
(so that it could toggle a mode). Anyway the currently implemented types seem
to follow your interpretation.
> The idea was to make these things an option *somewhere* that could be picked
> up from all keymaps.
That is in fact a good idea, but one of the reason I wrote my own keymap is
that I got lost somewhere in the vast ocean of available keyboard
variants/options.
Re: new Apple symbols map (exposes kernel buglets?)
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:29:11 +0200
Frank Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 23 August 2003 8:08, Simon Vallet wrote:
> > what I got here is :
> >
> > key {type="THREE_LEVEL", [ ampersand, 1, EuroSign ] };
> > (BTW, X doesn't seem very happy with the 'EuroSign' : what is the correct
> > alias ?) (and this last mapping is arbitrary : I don't have a third symbol
> > engraved on AE keys)
>
> EuroSign is right. You probably aren't using a font that does ISO8859-15.
Actually (just checked), it works in the Unicode version of xterm (the normal
xterm has only ISO-8859-1).
> Where did you get this keymap? I don't see anything like it in the Debian
> files. But I think the problem is with the type="THREE_LEVEL" stuff. I don't
> think your keymap is done properly.
did it myself ;-)
the default french keymap IS actually very bad, maybe it's better in 4.3...
the type = "" stuff is only necessary because of the default type of the keys,
not because this is an ugly fix (which it may be :)
> Looking at the keymaps that use ISO_Level3_Shift, I think you've got a bad
> keymap which has confused you. Of course, it works, but it's done in the
> opposite way of other keymaps.
I'll keep it like this... iit was the only way for me to get a third shift
level working properly in emacs, without interaction with the Meta key. But I
won't preach for others ;-)
Re: new Apple symbols map (exposes kernel buglets?)
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:24:17 +0200 Frank Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Could you send me what you have? (Just reply this time. :) I'd be > interested to see it. You did receive my messages, didn't you ? (Because most of the time when people have a list name in their address, they also filter incoming mail and trash "unsollicited" mail). Simon
New french keymap suggestion
Hi,
I'm currently working on a new version of the french macintosh keymap
(that's a pretty specific topic :-). As I have only an "extended II"
keyboard, I would like to have some feedback :
- Do some of you (french (fr_FR) keyboard users) have a third glyph
engraved on their keyboards (apart from the fn-bound glyph on laptops) ?
I personnally don't, and the newer Apple keyboards I could look at
neither ('euro' excepted).- Some images are available :
http://eqdar.free.fr/layout1-2.ps,
http://eqdar.free.fr/layout2-3.ps,
http://eqdar.free.fr/layout4.ps
On the first image, the symbol at the bottom is the 'normal' one, and
the upper one is available by pressing 'Shift'.
On the second image, the upper symbol is available through 'AltGr', and
on the third one, the modifier is 'AltGr+Shift'.
feedback is welcome (but there may be no need to annoy the entire list
with it :-)
Regards,
Simon
Re: BIG Problem with Debian 3.0 / Bootloader / PowerMac 7500/100
On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 17:38:58 +0200 Michael Jarosch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's the usual behaviour of an Apple Macintosh with Mac OS on it. > That's right. But now on this Mac, where I installed Debian Linux with > this $%&§!-Bootloader, it doesn't work any more! That's why I think, > this Bootloader was written into the BIOS or whatever. > O.K., I'm not really sure about it, but before I installed the new OS, > there was ALWAYS a smiling mac or a floppy appearing on the screen > BEFORE loading any OS. Even with the install-floppy of debian this > startup screen appeared. Boot with Command(Apple) + Opt(Alt) + P + R ; this will reset your PRAM, and make your Mac behave like usual. Look at http://penginppc.org/ for correct quik settings for your machine. Until then, you should be able to boot with floppies Simon
Re: Pulsar, BootX and Mach64
Hi, > 1. > Maybe there is another video=?? possible. > Velocity and X is not an issue for a fileserver. You could try to use something like : 'video=atyfb:[EMAIL PROTECTED]', i.e. 'atyfb:-@'. This works fine on a Powermac 6400 with a Mach64 adapter (console only, but used to work with X also). I was thinking at the time that the all cmode/vmode stuff was somewhat deprecated... Was I wrong ? HTH, Simon
Re: Freeze at boot with a Radeon 7000 PCI
So,
after some homework, it appears that I didn't copy the kernel images in /boot
also,
but only in the "Linux Kernel" folder.
Once I did that, 2.4.23-pre5 (stable) boots fine with 'video=ofonly'
Anyway, I'd like to be able to specify the resolution and depth on the command
line ;
searching through the archives suggested radeonfb would be the good driver, but
using it ("video=radeonfb:") does not appear to be good for me
(see previous message).
Is there a chance I can use it ?
Thanks,
Simon
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Re: Freeze at boot with a Radeon 7000 PCI
Hi,
On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:19:36 +0200
Michel Dänzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > searching through the archives suggested radeonfb would be the good driver,
> > but
> > using it ("video=radeonfb:") does not appear to be good for me
> ^^
> The correct syntax for a 2.4 kernel is just video=radeon:.
Works great. Thanks !
I had some extra difficulties because of me choosing a bad mode,
but everything is fine now.
> It should also work automatically with no video stanza at all.
It does not. I think the kernel tries to use the on-board video first (this is
on a beige G3,
with a Rage Pro on-board). I tried to play a little bit with the 'video=map:..'
option,
but the best results are with 'video=radeon:<...>' only.
Simon
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Re: Keys don't type correct chars after kernel upgrade
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:24:18 -0700 Marshal Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > CONFIG_MAC_ADBKEYCODES=y AFAIK, this should not be set anymore... Do you have a /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/keyboard_sends_linux_keycodes entry ? I would suggest you recompile your kernel without it, but it might result in an unusable console. There is a page about keyboard problems here: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes Check it out HTH, Simon -- Simon Vallet The address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts, due to massive spam. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: Alt+Command+P+R
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:44:42 -0400 "Adrian Crisan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everybody, I have installed debian on a desktop beige g3/266. > what happen if somebody will restart my machine and reset the pram? > how do i get debian back without reinstalling? via OF setenv? Any > ideas? thanks, Adrian It depends on how you boot your system... if you boot with quik, you will have to setenv. If you boot with BootX, everything shoiuld be fine. If you boot with quik, I'll be happy to know how you did it, and what OF version you have :-) Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header above only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you want to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: Re: Minimal powerpc kernel, miboot users please test (Was Re:modularized powerpc kernel)
> Also, whoever can work on it to make it part of the d-i build: I put > the script to generate the floppy miBoot image (stolen from > boot-floppies), and the necessary pieces, plus the resulting floppy > image, at > > > http://members.cox.net/toff1/miBoot.tgz > > The floppy boots and loads the woody root.bin on my clone machine. > I'll try to test on a 9500 later if I get a chance. I couldn't test > the sarge root.bin yet, the one I had handy (from a last week's CD) > was too big for a floppy. This does not boot on a BeigeG3 (OFv2.4) : it ejects the floppy and keeps hanging at the last mac screen (the penguin-in-the-mac logo). I should mention I didn't get the machine with quik either, and the monitor is attached to a second video card. Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you want to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: Minimal powerpc kernel, miboot users please test
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:12:29 +0100 Simon Vallet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This does not boot on a BeigeG3 (OFv2.4) : it ejects the floppy and > keeps hanging at the last mac screen (the penguin-in-the-mac logo). > I should mention I didn't get the machine with quik either, and the > monitor is attached to a second video card. OK, booting with a monitor attached to the original on-board video works fine. Sorry about this. Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you want to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Quik/beige G3 -- Success & question
Hi,
A few months ago, I tried to boot a beige G3 revII (OF 2.4) with quik,
failed to do so, and finally used BootX (see
http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2003/debian-powerpc-200307/msg00385.html)
While trying to boot NetBSD on the same machine, OF _accidentally_
dropped me into quik, and it appears that it finally works. My setup is
somewhat particular (I use a PCI video card and removed the built-in Zip
drive), but it may be useful for people disliking MacOS, so I post it
here:
load-base 60 (hex)
real-base F0
boot-device ide0/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0
boot-file ide0/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:6/boot/vmlinux-2.4.23-pre7 root=/dev/hda6 \
video=radeon:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The output-device is different from the standard one, I didn't test with
the on-board video (neither with the Zip drive), as I'm still trying to
boot NetBSD :-)
However, I get a strange error at boot, telling me that there is a
'Syntax error or read error in /etc/quik.conf' -- that's why I have to
set boot-file -- but quik doesn't complain when I invoke it, and Linux
is still booting. I attach my quik.conf here, in case someone just sees
an error I can't see...
Last point : I didn't try to auto-boot, as I think this is potentially
harmful (endless loop, and I am just too lazy to re-apply the
System Disk patches after having to reset my PRAM), so I have to type '0
bootr' at the OF prompt ('boot' only gives me a CLAIM failed error). It
sometimes fails with a 'DEFAULT CATCH' ; in this case rebooting
(reset-all) solves the problem. There is some more info on this topic at
http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/faq.html#ofw
and in their install manual)
It seems to work with and without the modified first.b : it doesn't
seem to make much difference on this machine.
Any suggestions on the correctness of the attached quik.conf are
welcome.
Thanks,
Simon
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Description: Binary data
Re: Quik/beige G3 -- Success & question
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:24:43 -0700 "Chris Tillman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I didn't see any map= entries in man quik.conf, so probably that > should go into the "append=" entry instead. Yes, that was it... I mixed it up with lilo settings :-( Thank you, Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Interrupts lost on IDE disks in RAID1 array
Hi,
I have a RAID1 setup on a BeigeG3, with one disk on /dev/hda, and the
second one on /dev/hdc. The machine does not seem to like the setup,
however, because I often get the following error :
ide-pmac lost interrupt, dma status: 8080
hdc: lost interrupt
hdc: dma_intr: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
ide: failed opcode was: unknown
This happens at random intervals, and is _very_ annoying. I already
tried to change the disk & the cables, to no avail. In fact, I'm a bit
desperate here, and I'd like to know if this is a kernel:settings
problem (which would be fixable), or a hardware limitation: maybe this
machine does not support DMA2 on two controllers ?
There are other devices on the two IDEs : /dev/hdb is a CDROM drive
(DMA1), and /dev/hdd an IDE ZIP drive. Removing them does not help...
Thanks for any info/pointers on this.
Simon
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Re: Interrupts lost on IDE disks in RAID1 array
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 01:35:01 -0400 Rick Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I recall correctly, the on-board IDE chipset on the beige G3 can't > handle more than one hard disk. Lost interrupts were one of the > symptoms. So this would be the problem... the "developer notes" on the G3 do mention that ide1 is for a cdrom, but I would have expected otherwise. Anyway, this seems plausible: the disk works fine out of the mirror -- I guess the G3 doesn't handle very well simultaneous writes... > The best way to handle multiple hard disks is to get a good cheap IDE > PCI card. I do have an old Adaptec 2940 SCSI adapter, which worked fine in a mirror setup (hda/sda), except I experienced random freezes at the command line... I thought the kernel didn't handle very well the differing speeds of the drives, that's why I added a second IDE. Maybe I'll be able to get better results by returning to this setup. I'll try that again. Anyway, thanks for the information Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Interrupts lost on IDE disks in RAID1 array
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:45:01 +0200 Simon Vallet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 01:35:01 -0400 > Rick Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If I recall correctly, the on-board IDE chipset on the beige G3 >> can't handle more than one hard disk. Lost interrupts were one of >> the symptoms. > > So this would be the problem... the "developer notes" on the G3 > do mention that ide1 is for a cdrom, but I would have expected > otherwise. Anyway, this seems plausible: the disk works fine out of > the mirror -- I guess the G3 doesn't handle very well simultaneous > writes... Actually, by digging a bit more through available docs, I came across this message on the linux-kernel ML: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2005-08/3099.html Ben, do you think this could be related ? Any additional info on the subject ? I'd be glad to help testing new patches if there are any... Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing G3/266 beige: which vmlinux ??
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 23:04:41 +0100 Marc Coevoet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Op 6-nov-05 om 18:43 heeft Sven Luther het volgende geschreven: > > >> > >> Quick did not install: it said: cannot install on ext3. > >> > >> I did automatic partitioning, that's ext3 ... > >> (and it s oldworld) > > > > Indeed, you need to create a ext2 /boot, this is a bug in the > > installer, > > please file an installation report. > > > > I did make a ext2 /boot .. > > The installer complains that /target for Quick should be part of / > > ?? AFAIK, quik does not support having the conffile on a different partition. You might want to try putting quik.conf in /boot and see if that helps Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian install on biege G3
Hi David, this topic has been discussed several times here, so you might want to search through the archive -- I'm quite sure you'll find your luck : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Beige+G3+boot+site%3Adebian.org&btnG=Google+Search SImon On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:57:39 + David Pead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > I've done a fair bit of looking around on the above subject and tried many > times to get Debian running on the G3 here but have to resort to troubling > you folks. -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Power Mac G3 beige : Problem with boot
Hi, this topic has been discussed here several times before -- you might want to try the archive: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Beige+G3+boot+site%3Adebian.org&btnG=Google+Search Simon On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:53:39 +0100 Frédéric Massot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to install a Debian on a G3 beige, I already installed a > Debian on a G4 and a PC but there I am blocked. > ... > > DEFAULT CATCH!, code=FFF00700 at %SRR0: FF862AB4 %SRR1: 00081070 -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: Linux md & mac partition scheme
Hi,
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:03:20 +0100
Sascha Frey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I want to boot from this (root fs) array, so I can't set it up using a
script at boot time.
> {...}
> Maybe the kernel does not recognize the raid partitions, because the
> type is not set correctly.
> I used mac-fdisk to create the partitons (used Linux_RAID for type).
AFAIK automagic kernel recognition is not implemented on PPC yet, so
you'll have to specify your RAID partitions manually, e.g. :
append="md=0,/dev/sda2,/dev/hda2 md=2,/dev/sda4,/dev/hda4"
in your {quik,yaboot}.conf (this is for / on md0 and swap on md2)
You don't need to specify every RAID partition, though -- root and swap
should be enough if your array is correctly configured.
HTH,
Simon
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Re: Sarge installer for Mac Performa 6400/180 with 16MB RAM?
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:03:23 +0100 Hans Ekbrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No need for BootX (and with 16 MB RAM, the HD is probably small too, > so avoiding BooX seems preferable). My recommendation is boot floppies > from woody and boot the installed system with quik. Thats how I > installed on my Performa 5400 with 24 MB RAM. I agree on the BootX overhead, however be aware that the 6400 will nost likely *not* boot from OF with 'screen' as output-device -- you'll need to use a third party video adapter or a serial console Simon -- Simon Vallet http://www.castalie.org/pubkey.txt Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header above only accepts mail from Debian hosts. Use the 'user' local part if you want to mail me personally. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge installer for Mac Performa 6400/180 with 16MB RAM?
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:28:54 +0100 Hans Ekbrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 03:09:18PM +0100, Simon Vallet wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:03:23 +0100 > > Hans Ekbrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > No need for BootX (and with 16 MB RAM, the HD is probably small too, > > > so avoiding BooX seems preferable). My recommendation is boot floppies > > > from woody and boot the installed system with quik. Thats how I > > > installed on my Performa 5400 with 24 MB RAM. > > > > I agree on the BootX overhead, however be aware that the 6400 will nost > > likely *not* boot from OF with 'screen' as output-device -- you'll need > > to use a third party video adapter or a serial console > > That would only be necessary if something goes wrong, normally you > don't need to interact with quik. And if something does go wrong, you > can boot with the boot floppies again and rescue the system. While that is technically correct, I think you're on this list long enough to know that in the vast majority of cases, quik doesn't "just work" -- did it for your 5400 ? I think future quik users need to know that it is not always the "best"/easiest/quickest solution, even if that's the one I personally adopted. Simon -- Simon Vallet http://www.castalie.org/pubkey.txt Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header above only accepts mail from Debian hosts. Use the 'user' local part if you want to mail me personally. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
XF86Config and XF68_FBDev server
Hi,
I run Debian 2.2r3 on a Powermac 6400/180 with an
extra ATI XCLAIM 3D Plus (3D Rage LT Pro chipset, I
think). After install and little config, I was able to
run X in 832x624 or higher and 16 bpp. Great!
I was so happy I decided (who knows why) I didn't
needed MacOS anymore, so I installed the potato again,
without any HFS partitions, using quik as bootloader.
Linux seems to boot without problems (with the correct
OF settings), but X won't start anymore, or if it
starts, all I get is a blank screen.
I tried various settings, (Gnome and WMaker):
- without any settings, or when the "Modes" Subsection
of the "Screen" section is "default", xserver starts,
but all blank.
I get some text displayed ('Main' on the upper left, I
think that's from wmaker), but I can't see the icons
- adding "video=atyfb:vmode:13,cmode:16" to boot-file,
running fbset (which returns a 832x624 Mode which
seems to be correct, ie the frequencies are close to
the one in my Monitor's (Apple 15 Multiple Scan, by
the way) handbook ),
pasting the result in my XF86Config file
delete all other modes but this one and update the
"Screen" section to use this mode (Default Color Depth
16 and Modes "832x624")
xserver doesn't want to start, saying it can't find
any valid modes (??)
Anyhone having an idea ?
Unfortunatly, my box isn't connected, so I can't join
my XF86Config file or the fbset output - but I could
put them on floppy and send it later.
That's also a reason for me _not_ upgrading to 4.0.x
;)
PS : I went through the docs on xfree86.org, and saw
info about a Mach_64 server and others - I suppose it
doesn't exists on powerpc's
PPS : tried to run anXious, it says it can't find a
driver for my card - isn't atyfb the appropriate
driver ??
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Re: G3/300, OS X and Darwin..
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:42:51 -0700 Mauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think what you're looking for to install debian onto an old world > without MacOS is quick or miboot. > I hear they are real buggers to install and one of them can screw your > system up rendering even your mother board useless. this is FUD. Quik may be a bit tricky to configure correctly, especially on beige G3s, but your motherboard is safe. > Thus this is why a lot of people opt to install MacOS. I know that > classic installs can be realy small, less than 5 gig while OS X has a > min of 5 (something like that). If I remember clasic can install onto > 1. 150 Megs should be more than enough for an OS8 install with BootX, if you don't want to go through the trouble configuring quik. Anyway, several people succeeded in booting a G3 with quik -- you might want to check the list archives for some successful reports. > Because it's very dependent on Open Firmware, and because the Open > Firmware on Old World Macintosh is very buggy and difficult to work > with, much of the information on this page describes how to work > around firmware problems."http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/quik/ This is indeed a good link to start Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching from BootX to quik
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:18:00 +0100 Hans Ekbrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 10:09:38AM +0100, Hans Ekbrand wrote: > Does quick know of the model-specific quirks mentioned on > http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/quik/quirks.ph? No. Quik doesn't know how to manipulate OF vars -- in fact, you may only load quik with correct OF values > Is it up to me as an user to configure OF? Yes, you'll have to figure out the correct values and fill them in using nvsetenv, Bootvars, or directly at the OF prompt. This can be a pain, but you'll only have to do it once:-) For info, I do have a 6400 booting nicely with quik, so it should be possible for your 5400 if it has the same OF version. Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching from BootX to quik
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:27:16 +0100 Hans Ekbrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does the following output of nvsetenv look like yours? looks good... or not ;-) Seriously, I can't tell from the output if you got the correct boot-device (as I don't have a 5400 myself), or load-base. But one thing looks does look bad : the boot-file parameter should be set to the label you assigned to your kernel in /etc/quik.conf, e.g."Linux" The first thing to do is to get correct OF input/ouput -- seeing the actual OF errors may help debugging the boot process, even if the messages sometimes look a bit cryptic ;-) For correct load- and real-base settings, I'm afraid you'll need to experiment a bit -- look at penguinppc.org and the NetBSD/macppc FAQ for more info on possible values. > Now, Linux resides on /dev/hda6, and quik installed something into the > boot block of /dev/hda6, but the boot-device is set to > ata/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0 above. Should that be ata/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:6? This is quite normal : AFAIK, quik writes some of it's bootloading code into the MBR, which is 0:0. But you might want to check that the ata/ata-disk device really exists under OF (using devalias, dev and ls OF commands) -- this may vary sometimes (see included nvsetenv output on the 6400) Here's what I got from the 6400, edited to only show relevant vars : auto-boot? true (It is a good idea to set this to false until you get the values right) [...] use-nvramrc?false real-base 0x870 real-size 0x10 virt-base 0x virt-size 0x10 load-base 0x4000 [...] boot-device ata/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0 boot-file New [...] input-devicettya output-device ttya [...] nvramrc boot-commandboot HTH, Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching from BootX to quik
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:29:57 +0100 Hans Ekbrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I changed to the boot-device and boot-file to > > boot-device ata/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:6 > boot-file ata/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:6/boot/vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc > > and guess what happened, linux booted!!! Always a pleasing moment. You are almost there :-) > It didn't get its initrd and therefore failed to mount root, > > VFS: Cannot open root device "" or unkown-block(0,1) > Please append a correct "root=" boot option > Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on uknown-block(0,1) > (0)Rebooting This was a common problem with previous, non-initrd enabled quik versions-- are you sure you've got the latest quik from sarge ? > but that should be a minor problem. You may also try with a non-initrd kernel. > The boot-file argument, should that point to the virtual image name > given in /etc/quik.conf or a real file containing the linux kernel? Actually, it may be both, or sometimes empty, in which case quik should boot the 'default' image you defined in quik.conf. AFAIK, this is quite machine-dependent : some models do seem to require the full path to the image in 'boot-file', others are quite happy with a quik label. Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/dev/md support in quik
Hi, I just added some support for md devices in quik. Could you please test this to ensure it doesn't break existing installs and/or works as intended if your / is on an md device. I intend to file a bug against the debian package next week, as I think it would be a nice thing to have in the debian-installer. Sources are available at http://www.castalie.org/debian/quik_md.tar.gz ; you will need an existing quik install to test it, as the first- and second-stage bootstrap programs are not included. This version has the following limitations : * It supports n-way mirrors (RAID1 arrays) only, and it is unlikely that support for other RAID levels will be added, unless we can find a reliable way to get the conffile partition number on a striped filesystem -- how do yaboot people handle this ? * Further, the bootable metadevice (typically /) *must* be assembled from partitions having the same partition number (e.g. /dev/hda2 and /dev/hdc2, *not* /dev/hda2 and /dev/hdc3). This is necessary because we write the bootblock to the metadevice, not the underlying partitions. Again, it is unlikely that this will change. * The conffile *must* reside on the bootable partition/metadevice. This means that a separate /boot partition will *not* work, unless the configuration file is in /boot. Please let me know of any problems you might encounter -- you might want to take a look at the sig to get the correct mail address ;-) Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /dev/md support in quik
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 14:39:13 +0100 Simon Vallet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sources are available at http://www.castalie.org/debian/quik_md.tar.gz > ; you will need an existing quik install to test it, as the first- and > second-stage bootstrap programs are not included. Oops. The tarball was missing some includes -- this is now fixed. Sorry for this. Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where can I find mplayer for ppc?
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:23:04 -0500 Tamas K Papp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I tried to install mozilla-mplayer today, and of course it needs > mplayer-powerpc or mplayer-g4. Where can I find either of these? A > sources.list line would be nice... deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian mplayer/ You're welcome ;-) Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: list of PowerMac sound hardware TO-DO (help welcome)
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:13:15 +0200 (EET) Martin-Éric Racine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is what I have so far: > > --works y/n-- > CHIPSET MODELS BEEPALSA > awacs > burgundyG3 iMac no no > daca > keywest > tumbler Two additional working models here: tumbler/G4 Silver/yes/yes screamer/Beige G3/yes/yes -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: Power Mac G4: german keyboard layout
Hi, On Thu, 12 May 2005 15:10:03 +0200 Wolfgang Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For the console I can't help much, except trying to play with > dpkg-reconfigure console-data > > The latter got me out of the worst: But I still don't have the ¤ (Euro > sign) on console, tho' I even have "| \ @" and most other (all?) > important signs/letters somewhere (and most of the time I even find > them after some searching on the console keyboard ... :) This might also be a font problem : you may want to try changing the console font in /etc/console-tools/config: "lat9w-16.psf.gz" for example does have the symbol. HTH, Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: quik pmac 7500 problem
Hi, I assume you did set a long enough timeout to in quik.conf to be able to type something... Then, an option might be to set the OF variable 'auto-boot?' to "false" with nvsetenv, and type 'boot' at the OF prompt each time you power-on your machine. If you want to boot a different kernel, you can type 'boot ', label being the label assigned to the corresponding kernel image in quik.conf. Simon On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:03:32 +0200 jan gregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello list. > > I have problem with installing debian on my powermac 7500 with 200Mhz > 604 processor upgrade. After some troubles I have installed debian > from harddisk install, as described in ppc install guide for powermacs > (when trying to boot from floppies, crossed linux appears after few > seconds, can someone give me a clue about this too? ). The problem is, > that after rebooting the computer I am not able to type anything to > quik prompt. That means, that quik boots after timeout the default > image, but I am not able to choose a different image to boot. I intend > to change kernel on that machine quite often, and praying if it comes > back again after specifying new default image in quik.conf is not an > option for me. Any suggestions, how can i fix this problem? -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address in the From: header above only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail to me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: initial XF86Config
On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:01:39 -0300 Daniel Ruoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Em Qua, 2004-07-28 às 16:45, Rick Thomas escreveu: > > Mouse button emulation! There's a thought... > > Actually, all I did is to enable mouse button emulation in kernel and > then set a few variables (which I don't remember right now) in > /etc/sysctl.conf Those should be : sys.dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation <- set to 1 sys.dev.mac_hid.mouse_button2_keycode <- desired keycode sys.dev.mac_hid.mouse_button3_keycode put those in /etc/sysctl.conf to get the emulation at bootup Simo.n -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the 'From:' header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: quik and initrd and kernel-image-2.6.7-powerpc
Hi, On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 20:54:58 +0200 Christian Leimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone out there with an oldworld had luck with the > kernel-image-2.6.7-powerpc froms sarge? custom 2.6.7 works fine here on a beige G3 booted with quik... I don't use any initrd, though... I can remember having troubles using an initrd with quik when I was trying to boot the debian-installer -- I did not succeed, and finally used BootX to boot the installer. Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the 'From:' header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: quik and initrd and kernel-image-2.6.7-powerpc
On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:17:39 +0200 Christian Leimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So It could be a quik problem? Is there a way of yaboot for oldworld? > Or is it my wrong config or the kernel-image? Still trying to find the > problem. I think it is : I posted to the list about this at that time, you may see http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2004/03/msg00277.html and the corresponding thread. However, if you make it work, I'd be glad to know how ;-) Simon
Re: Using new Debian-Installer on oldworld PowerMac 9500
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:09:35 -0700 Brad Boyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 11:32:30PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 10:25:46PM +0200, Martin Geier wrote: > > > If I understand this correctly, it would be possible to get the > > > "installer-console" via OF to the serial port? What about > > > redirecting the OF to the Mach64? > > > > No, i don't think this is possible, since there is no graphic driver > > in the OF for those machines. > > I'm pretty sure there is an OF driver on the Mac style Mach64 cards. I > know the built-in RagePro on the G3 powerbooks had a driver. The only > ones I know of that definitely don't have a driver are the platinum > chips (powermac 7200, maybe others?). Yes there should be one : you need it when booting using a third party (not built-in) PCI video card -- I used such a card as OF output-device on a 6400. A simple way to find the OF path to it is to look under/proc/device-tree, provided this is built into the kernel, and search for a device whose name begins with'ATY,' (ATI cards) : $ find /proc/device-tree -name 'ATY,*' If you have luck, the resulting path should look something like '/bandit/ATY,XCLAIM_LTPro', which you can use in the OF output-device. HTH, Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: looking for oldworld users to help
Hi, On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:50:14 +0200 Christian Leimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > Can some oldworld users please test if the kernel-image-2.6.8-powerpc > works for them if used with quik. > I try to use the kernel-image but can not boot with quik and initrd. > It does not find the root fs. I tried a lot of quik.conf settings but > nothing worked. AFAIK, quik does not work with initrd booting. I had the same problem trying to boot the debian-installer using quik, and had to use BootX to succeed. If you have more luck, please tell the list -- at least I would be intersted ;-) Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the 'From:' header above only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just remove the 'debian-ppc_' from the local part.
Re: Oldworld Serial Console
Hi, On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 02:54:49 -0400 Rick Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thursday, September 23, 2004, at 08:17 PM, Russell Hires wrote: > > > Has anyone done this? And if so, how? I'm running sarge, BTW... Works fine between a 6400 and a beige G3 here, both running Debian -- i use minicom to access the serial port. Of's default settings are 38400 bauds / 8 bit data / no stop bit / 1 parity, and xon/xoff, if I remember. Apart from the kernel command-line, you'll also need to edit your/etc/inittab to put a getty on the serial line. > By the way, the Mac's Open Firmware serial console is on the > "modem" port, not the "printer" port of the mac. This is configurable, just set OF's 'output-device' and 'input-device' accordingly. Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header above only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just remove the 'debian-ppc_' tag from the local part.
Re: Oldworld Serial Console
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:39:24 -0400 Russell Hires <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Q: How many support techs does it take to change a lightbulb? > A: Well, it works fine on this end... LOL :-) OK, wasn't so useful, I admit ;-) > Can you send the list some kind of quick, "here's exactly what all of > my settings are"? That way when I search for this again, someone will > have something useful for me to find! I've searched and searched and > searched, and here I am, asking questions. I don't have the *exact* settings here at work, but I'll send them to the list when I get home. However, here are the required steps, as I see it: 1. Get OF to put its console on the serial port : set 'input-device' and 'output-device' to 'ttya' or 'ttyb' (i *think* the OF names for serial ports don't change very much between machines) 2. Get the kernel to talk to the serial port : compile it with the mentioned options, and add a corresponding command line parameter, e.g console=ttyS0,38400..., as said before 3. Get init to talk to the serial port : I didn't got this right -- I still don't have the output of rc scripts on my serial console (If you get this right I'll be happy to know). 4. If you want to be able to log in via serial, edit /etc/inittab to have getty serving the serial port : there already is a commented line in the file, you just have to uncomment it and edit to your taste. 5. Get a terminal emulator on the other end (minicom, can't think of others but I'm sure there are plenty), and configure it to listen at the same speed on your serial port. As I said, I use 38400 bauds, 8n1 and xon/xoff. > So the internal modem has to come out? Do you have only one 8-pin serial port at the back of your G3 ? > Or is this something I can go into OF and change? The problem is that > the output-device in OF won't be /dev/ttyS1 or whatever. Yes you can : serial ports are 'ttya' and 'ttyb' in OF, at least on oldworld machines AFAIK. I have ttya == /dev/ttyS0 == 'modem' port and ttyb == /dev/ttyS1 == 'printer' port. HTH, Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header above only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just remove the 'debian-ppc_' tag from the local part.
Re: Oldworld Serial Console
> I don't have the *exact* settings here at work, but I'll send them to > the list when I get home. However, here are the required > steps, as I see it: OK, I checked my config and will try to add some useful info : > 1. Get OF to put its console on the serial port : set 'input-device' > and'output-device' to 'ttya' or 'ttyb' (i *think* the OF names for > serial ports don't change very much between > machines) For the 'modem' port, (ttyS0), those settings would be : uqbar:/home/eqdar# nvsetenv [...] input-devicettya output-device ttya [...] > 2. Get the kernel to talk to the serial port : compile it with the > mentioned options, and add a corresponding command line parameter, > e.g console=ttyS0,38400..., as said before from /etc/quik.conf : append="console=tty0 console=ttyS0,38400n8 [...]" > 3. Get init to talk to the serial port : I didn't got this right -- I > still don't have the output of rc scripts on my serial console (If you > get this right I'll be happy to know). Finally OK -- see above : don't forget to put the console you want /dev/console on last in the kernel boot-time params (thanks to Jens and Geert) > 4. If you want to be able to log in via serial, edit /etc/inittab to > have getty serving the serial port : there already is a commented line > in the file, you just have to uncomment it and edit to your taste. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ tail /etc/inittab # Use 38400 bauds, 8 data bits, no parity, 1 stop bit, # and XON/XOFF to match OF settings # TERM is either 'linux' or 'xterm', so don't specify it T0:12345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 38400 > 5. Get a terminal emulator on the other end (minicom, can't think of > others but I'm sure there are plenty), and configure it to listen at > the same speed on your serial port. As I said, I use 38400 bauds, 8n1 > and xon/xoff. man minicom ;-) Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, remove the 'debian-ppc_' tag from the local part.
Re: Oldworld Serial Console
On 24 Sep 2004 15:32:29 +0200 Jens Schmalzing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you open several consoles, as in "console=tty0 console=ttyS0,9600", > kernel output goes to all of them, but output written to /dev/console > only goes to the last one. Hope that helps. That may be the hint : I do open several consoles, and I'm quite sure the serial one comes first... Thanks ! Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header above only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just remove the 'debian-ppc_' tag from the local part.
Re: quik on Open Firmware 2.01f trouble
Hi, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 01:10:00 -0400 Duane Cottle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On the OF prompt I typed boot, and got the following: > > RESETing SCSI bus > DEFAULT CATCH!, code=FFF00700 at %SRR0: 003f4000 %SRR1: 00083070 Beige G3s and quik have a long history of not working very well together, mainly because of the buggy OF implementation in those machines. You might be interested in those threads : http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2004/05/msg00106.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2004/05/msg00055.html
Re: please test new quik with initrd-support
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:58:48 +0100 Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and, better not to forget, the new quik.deb is available at > http://www.ulyssis.org/~p2/debjes/ It doesn't seem to help on a Beige G3 Rev II, using kernel-image-2.6.9-powerpc and initrd : I get stuck at VFS : Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (1,0), which is what I experienced with previous quik versions. Here are the relevant quik.conf options I used : image=/boot/vmlinux-2.6.9-powerpc append="root=/dev/ram0 initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.9-powerpc video=radeonfb:1024 [EMAIL PROTECTED]" Label=Test Are there other kernel command-line options to try ? Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: please test new quik with initrd-support
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:05:03 +0100 Peter 'p2' De Schrijver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The quik.conf should be : > > image=/boot/vmlinux-2.6.9-powerpc > append="root=/dev/ram video=radeonfb:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.9-powerpc > Label=test this works indeed *much* better :-) The kernel boots fine,with some glitches : - the video output is not sent to the third party video card, despite the "video=" option. This is a Radeon 7000, which is set as OF output-device. I get kernel messages and login prompt on the built-in RageII, although the radeon is recognized by the kernel. - neither network adapter is recognized -- eth0 is a natsemi card, and eth1 is a BMAC -- but I suppose this is purely a missing module problem > Could you send me the boot log ? Attached are the boot.log, relevant kern.log parts, and a dmesg output HTH, Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part. Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: bootlogd. Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: Setting disc parameters: done. Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: Activating swap. Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: Checking root file system... Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: fsck 1.35 (28-Feb-2004) Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: /dev/hda2: clean, 4932/131072 files, 159092/262144 blocks Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: System time was Tue Nov 30 21:31:51 UTC 2004. Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: Setting the System Clock using the Hardware Clock as reference... Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: System Clock set. System local time is now Tue Nov 30 21:31:53 UTC 2004. Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: Calculating module dependencies... done. Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: Loading modules... Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: All modules loaded. Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: Checking all file systems... Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: fsck 1.35 (28-Feb-2004) Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: /dev/hda8: clean, 15425/2621440 files, 2019490/5239412 blocks (check in 4 mounts) Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: /dev/hda6: clean, 17/170720 files, 5379/340787 blocks Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: /dev/hda3: clean, 77247/524288 files, 354660/1048576 blocks Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: /dev/hda4: clean, 34/262144 files, 8266/524288 blocks Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: /dev/hda5: clean, 4428/1179648 files, 200678/2359296 blocks Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: Setting kernel variables ... Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation = 1 Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: dev.mac_hid.mouse_button2_keycode = 87 Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: dev.mac_hid.mouse_button3_keycode = 88 Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: ... done. Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: Mounting local filesystems... Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: /dev/hda8 on /home type ext3 (rw) Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: /dev/hda6 on /tmp type ext2 (rw) Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: /dev/hda3 on /usr type ext2 (rw) Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: /dev/hda4 on /usr/local type ext2 (rw) Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: /dev/hda5 on /var type ext3 (rw) Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: Cleaning /tmp /var/run /var/lock. Tue Nov 30 22:31:55 2004: Cleaning: /etc/network/ifstate. Tue Nov 30 22:31:56 2004: Setting up IP spoofing protection: rp_filter. Tue Nov 30 22:31:56 2004: Configuring network interfaces...SIOCSIFADDR: No such device Tue Nov 30 22:31:56 2004: eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device Tue Nov 30 22:31:56 2004: SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device Tue Nov 30 22:31:56 2004: SIOCSIFBRDADDR: No such device Tue Nov 30 22:31:56 2004: eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device Tue Nov 30 22:31:56 2004: eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device Tue Nov 30 22:31:56 2004: Failed to bring up eth0. Tue Nov 30 22:31:56 2004: done. Tue Nov 30 22:31:56 2004: Loading the saved-state of the serial devices... Tue Nov 30 22:31:57 2004: ^[]RSetting up general console font... ^[[9;10]^[[14;30] Tue Nov 30 22:31:58 2004: Setting the System Clock using the Hardware Clock as reference... Tue Nov 30 22:31:58 2004: System Clock set. Local time: Tue Nov 30 22:31:58 CET 2004 Tue Nov 30 22:31:58 2004: Tue Nov 30 22:31:58 2004: Running ntpdate to synchronize clockError : Temporary failure in name resolution Tue Nov 30 22:31:58 2004: Error : Temporary failure in name resolution Tue Nov 30 22:31:58 2004: Error : Temporary failure in name resolution Tue Nov 30 22:31:58 2004: Error : Temporary failure in name resolution Tue Nov 30 22:31:58 2004: Error : Temporary failure in name resolution Tue Nov 30 22:31:58 2004: Error : Temporary failure in name resolution Tue Nov 30 22:31:58 2004: Error : Temporary failure in name resolution Tue Nov 30 22:31:58 2004: . Tue Nov 30 22:31:58 2004: Initializing random number generator...done. Tue Nov 30 22:31:59 2004: Setting up X server socket directory /tmp/.X11-unix...done. Tue Nov 30 22:31:59 2004: Setting up ICE socket directory /tmp/.ICE-unix...done. Tue Nov 30 22:31:59 2004: INIT: Enteri
Re: please test new quik with initrd-support
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 22:43:24 +
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> Ce jour Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Simon Vallet a dit:
> >
> > - neither network adapter is recognized -- eth0 is a natsemi card,
> > and eth1 is a BMAC -- but I suppose this is purely a missing module
> > problem
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> 2.6.9 boots on yours? i get a kernel segfault when route sets up the
> ipv6 routes
As stated, eth{0,1} are not recognized -- so it doesn't even try to set
up the routes. That may be the reason it is booting.
Simon
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Booting on an Adaptec 2940 SCSI -- OldWorld
Hi, I'm currently trying to boot a beige G3 from a freshly flashed Adaptec 2940UW SCSI adapter. The linux side works fine when booting from another disk, but OF does seem to have some trouble, and just hangs forever -- several hours -- once a boot command has been issued. It *is* a mac version (2940UWPI), and has a nice path in OF: /pci/ADPT,2940UW/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0. I tried to reflash the card in the exact same machine with a 4.1 firmware, but still no luck... Does anybody here ever booted an OldWorld mac using such an adapter ? If so, anything particular to check, such as cables, termination etc. ? Any suggestion is welcome Thanks, Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting on an Adaptec 2940 SCSI -- OldWorld
Hi, On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:22:08 +0200 Simon Vallet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm currently trying to boot a beige G3 from a freshly flashed Adaptec > 2940UW SCSI adapter. The linux side works fine when booting from > another disk, but OF does seem to have some trouble, and just hangs > forever -- several hours -- once a boot command has been issued. After some checking, it seems the card works much better if the disk is attached to the HD-68 pin connector on the card. The problem disappeared once I moved the disk from the LD-50pin to the 68-pin connector, with appropriate cabling. Everything works OK now. Simon -- Simon Vallet [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Files in /var/log/ksymoops ?
Hi, since I switched to a custom-compiled 2.4.23 kernel (rsync'ed from mvista), I get two files in /var/log/ksymoops everyday, labeled .ksyms and .modules. The former one contains the same as `ksyms -a`, and the later is empty. As I am not very familiar with kernel symbols, I was wondering if this is supposed to happen ? BTW, I am also getting a warning when ps'ing, saying that "/boot/System.map-2.4.23 does not match kernel data". As the map in question was created during kernel compilation, I don't understand this very well. Any hint ? Thanks, Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: Success: serial console works...
Hi, On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:18:33 -0400 Russell Hires <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In BootX, I put the line (among the other things I've got in there): > console=ttyS1,9600n8. (This is the default setting for kermit, so I > just used that for both sender and receiver) Click the "linux" button, > and PRESTO! my kermit terminal in Mac OS on the 68k machine registers > output from my G3. You might want to try 38400 bauds : it is faster, and will also get you the OF prompt at the serial console. > Unfortunately, I get to where it says "Freeing unused memory..." and > there I sit. But the first part, at least, works. I'll redo my kernel > and see if that has any impact. Maybe I forgot something important. Check your /etc/inittab : if you don't have a getty on the serial line, you won't be able to log in... HTH, Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the 'From:' header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just remove the 'debian-ppc_' tag from the local part.
Re: Files in /var/log/ksymoops ?
Hi, On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:12:33 +0100 Sebastian Henschel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As I am not very familiar with kernel symbols, I was > > wondering if this is supposed to happen ? > > yes, it is quite normal. if you do not want that to happen, delete the > directory /var/log/ksymoops. check 'man ksymoops'. OK, thanks for the answer (now I don't feel *totaly* stupid :-) > > BTW, I am also getting a warning when ps'ing, saying that > > "/boot/System.map-2.4.23 does not match kernel data". > > As the map in question was created during kernel compilation, I > > don't understand this very well. Any hint ? > > are you sure, that vmlinuz and System.map have really been copied from > the same source tree and generated from the same kernel-build? well, not 100%, but I can't imagine how I could have messed this up... cp vmlinux /boot/vmlinux-2.4.23 && cp System.map /boot/System.map-2.4.23 ?? Not so important anyway, I'll double-check Thanks again, Simon
Re: Can I Install AND boot a new Kernel on an OldWorld PMac?
Hi, On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:05:25 +0100 christian funk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm desperately trying to get oldworld powermacs to boot different > kernels (official images or custom). Yes plural, since I have several > oldworlds and am not sure exactly which kernels I will need. > > Can someone point me to a definitive HOWTO or thread in a mailing > list? If not, any feedback on the below is very very welcome: You may look at http://penguinppc.org/projects/quik/, and find the correct settings for your OpenFirmware version there. There has been quite a lot of booting-related messages on this list in the past, so searching the archives may also help. > Executing quik then has no effect (probably normal, > since quik leaves the nvram untouched, right?). Installing a fresh > Debian system enables to boot back into linux directly. Is there > another way to fix the nvram and/or pram after zapping it, so I can > boot directly to linux? There is a utility to set OF vars from MacOS, but I can't remember the name. With Linux, 'nvsetenv' will do the job > What seems strange, is that the original install process > writes a different quik.conf as quikconig. What writes the quik.config > during a fresh install? If your quik.conf is correct (man quik.conf ;-), and your OF settings also (see above), evrything should run fine. > Does anyone know how to get quik to work properly? You will do soon :-) Hope this helps, Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: Can I Install AND boot a new Kernel on an OldWorld PMac?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:02:45 +0100 christian funk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I need is more complete documentation so I can figure it out > myself... I'm afraid there's no such thing as a quik-HOWTO, people are rapidly loosing interest in OldWorld macs... maybe in the install manual (didn't check recently). Anyway, here's a qui(c)k one :-) - Download the OF patches you need and apply them (there's a howto for the 7500 at http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/SystemDisk-tutorial/of105patch.html ). - You won't be able to change all the vars you need with System Disk -- the app I was mentioning is "BootVars" ; it is on the Woody CD, but I guess you can get it somewhere else also. - I suggest you set 'auto-boot?'' to false until you get all things right -- this, way, if you did set your 'output-device' correctly, you will be able to communicate directly with OF, which may give you a hint at what's wrong and the name of interesting devices (more on this later) .- If you don't use an additional video card, the setting listed at http://penguinppc.org/projects/quik/quirks.shtml should be correct. If you do, I suggest you boot into Linux (installer) and look into /proc/device-tree for something looking like a video card (also check the HW docs for your machine at apple's site : http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Hardware/hardware2.html -- you may be able to find for example the OF name of your PCI bus) ; dmesg may also help you. - The 'boot-device' setting is the most important... if you're booting from SCSI, check for the OF name of your SCSI bus. Maybe install once more and look at what the installer did set for you : # nvsetenv - The 'boot-file' should be set to the label you assigned to your kernel in quik.conf, e.g. "Linux" If you get thos settings correct, you should be able to boot your machine (Note that I don't have a 7500 myself, so I'm not 100% positive on this). If you get to the OF prompt, some commands might help you to find the good device paths : - "dev /" will cd to the root of the device-tree - "ls" will list the contents of a node - "dev " will cd to the node - "printenv" will list the your current boot variables - "setenv " will set 'var' to 'value' - "set-default " will reset 'var' to its default value - "reset-all" will reboot your machine (useful when changing vars) - "boot" will boot, or the more esoteric command at penguinppc.org if your drive's slow to spin up. Once everything is working, you can set 'boot-command' to the command you used for booting, and 'auto-boot?' to'true' again. (Note that keeping 'auto-boot?' set to false allows you to boot MacOS without resetting the PRAM -- which is useful if you have OF patches applied :-) Actually, (almost forgot that the installer got it right for you :-), the best way would be to install once more and do a 'nvsetenv' from within Linux -- this will show you the correct values. If you want to keep them and still boot MacOS, set 'auto-boot?' to false and type 'bye' at the OF prompt. Can't do much more there -- let me know what happens Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: Can I Install AND boot a new Kernel on an OldWorld PMac?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:18:36 -0800 Brad Boyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you want to boot MacOS without having to go into OF, you should > be able to set the boot device to "/AAPL,ROM" with nvsetenv and > the next boot will run the MacOS properly. The old LinuxPPC install > used to have a script called macos that would use nvsetenv to change > this and then reboot. A note of warning, tho. I'm not sure exactly > what does it, but on my 7600 most of the PRAM and OF settings get > changed back to what the MacOS wants during the boot process. This > means you have to reapply patches and fix the settings every time > you boot the MacOS. I never found a way around it. Even using > 'bye' in OF didn't prevent the changes. Oh, wasn't aware of that... it works fine on a Beige G3 -- booting into MacOS also resets some settings (real-base), but those already are at their default value. (Sorry for the bounce you probably got -- Is there a way for me to tell your MUA _not_ to CC me, even If you ask ? Would this 'X-No-CC' header I often see help ?) Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: Files in /var/log/ksymoops ?
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:28:25 -0500 digger vermont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you have a line in /etc/yaboot.conf like this: > > sysmap=/boot/System.map-2.4.23 I actually use quik... and have a append='map=/boot/System.map-2.4.23' in the conf file. The warning doesn't appear when this kernel option is not set, so I don't really know if it looks at the map without it. Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: Can I Install AND boot a new Kernel on an OldWorld PMac?
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:24:20 -0500 Nathanael Hasbrouck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, no, what MacOS does on these boxen (I know, I'm typing from one) > is to reset the nvram completely - patches, boot device, etc. So all > you need to do to get stuff reset is boot into MacOS. :^) I think the > values are the same as default (i.e., post reseting the pram) for the > [7x00|8x00|9x00] boxen. I think I heard someone say this is different > for beige G3s? Yes, it only resets real-base (which you don't need to change anyway), and keeps the OF patches... but my MacOS is still 8.6 : MacOS 9 may act differently. Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: mac-fdisk and 0x8e partitions for LVM
Hi, On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:43:26 -0200 Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You didn't answer my implied question: do you need to keep the Apple > > partition format, (f.e. because you need to keep MacOS on the > > machine)? > > Yes, it is a beige Apple Power Macintosh G3 which does need > BootX. > quik and floppy don't boot it without serious hacking, I hear, so > until I have a working system BootX it is. AFAIK, even quik uses the Apple partition format... > > And, out of interest: how do you boot the oldworld G3? quik, or > > floppy boot?? Can quik do dual booting on such a box? > > Would like to know, but I really would rather delete MacOS. > Never > found a step-by-step guide to quik that would work here, will try > again later. Check your OF version -- If you have a Beige G3revII (OF 2.4) I might help you (writing this from a quik-booted Beige G3 :-). Otherwise, I think Michel Lanners did succeed to boot one revI G3 -- you'll need a modified version of quik's first.b though. Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: Trying to install on oldworld powermac
Hi, > - I can just make out that open firmware is onscreen when I boot but > unfortunately I cannot read anything else. My monitor displays > about 6 copies of openfirware screen in narrow vertical bands, > there's some shake and it's too fuzzy to understand any of the > output. No ideas for this one... are you using the on-board video (RageII/Rage Pro), or a third party PCI card ? In the latter case, the card should be mac-specific, otherwise OF might have troubles dealing with it. > So now another problem I have is that I don't know what is the Command > key or what is the I/O key (or does that mean I & O)? I have a > Control key in the same place as a PC (lower left), I have an > "alt/option" key to the right of that and then a blank key to the > right of that ... is the blank (3rd from left) key the command key? As others have said , the reboot sequence is Ctrl-Apple-Power, and the PRAM zapping one is Apple-Alt-P-R > Any help you can give me is greatly appreciated, not being able to > clearly see openfirmware is the biggest issue right now, if I can get > past that then I can hopefully figure out the rest. If you can get a viable prompt, check your OF version : there are two revisions of the Beige G3, and the settings are quite different Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: PCI video adapters?
Hi, On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:16:05 -0200 Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I tried to buy extra a 4MiB SGRAM SO-DIMM for my Apple Power > Macintosh > G3 beige desktop, but they are too expensive. So the reseller > recommended me a PCI ATi Radeon, but it is still more expensive. > > So my question is, can one use some cheaper card than the ATi > Radeon > for the Mac? Perhaps a PC part? Obviously, preferrably > well-supported by GNU/Linux and XFree. If you need this as output-device for OpenFirmware, you won't be able to use a PC card : OF needs some code to open it. IIRC the beige G3 has a Mach64 (RageII / Rage Pro) -- maybe you'll be able to find a Rage128 (ATI) ? I _think_ those have a bit more VRAM. Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: accentuated character
Hi, On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 03:22:18 +0100 "IoGuiX ''JGuillaume de Rorthais\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On my iBook G4, I have no accentuated character...Under X, they are > replaced by square and under a console, it's just some strange > characters... This is probably a font problem : you can change the fonts used by the console in /etc/console-tools/config, and for XTerm in your ~/.Xresources. I'm surprised that you don't even get normal iso8859-1 chars -- thought it was the default at installation > on this page :http://www.de.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes , they > talk about the CONFIG_MAC_ADBKEYCODES option...I don't know if it > still exist under 2.6, but It doesn't set in my kernel config file. I > use a 2.6.1-ben1... This option is obsolete since 2.4... I doubt it would do something good to set it in 2.6. You may have more luck asking this question to an i18n list, such as debian-l10n-french. This isn't quite powerpc-specific. -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Re: Can't get Controlfb to display 16 bit colors ;////
Hi, On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:03:38 -0200 Carlos Eduardo Coelho Baptista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > under X , i can only use 8, 15 and 24/32 modes 16 bit color gets > me funny colors, like a screwed colormap , ... strange huh ? try depth 15, it used to work fine on my 6400 -- had the same problem with 16 bit colors. HTH, Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
