Re: Radeon Mobility LY supported by Debian?

[Marco Mililotti]

bozhou wrote:


Hello,

We just installed Debian woody on a Dell Inspiron 4100.  The lspci 
command shows it has a Radeon Mobility LY.  So I checked the X 
documentation, which says that I should use the ati driver, which will 
detect the Radeon card and load the proper driver.  I selected this in 
the xserver-xfree86 debconf system.


When I type "startx", it lists a set of R128 and Radeon cards 
supported, but Radeon Mobility LY is not listed.  Is this card 
unsupported?  Do I need to wait for the 4.2.0 packages? 


Hi.
  I've a Asus LK series notebook which has the same card (ATI Radeon 
Mobility M6 LY). It's from the latest release of XFree that it's really 
supported. I'm using December01-cvs release of XFree (4.1.99), so I 
think it's better to look at 4.2 pkgs now (where/if available [*]).



 As a newbie to this list ... I have a lot of questions to ask for :) 
So be patient with my future messages ;)


[*] : anyone know about unofficial X4.2 debian packages?

Bye,

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Woody

[Nick]

To all
 
Thank you all for your help explaining Woody and 
Potato I have decided to stick with my current installation of Woody and 
wait for the release of 3.0.
 
I had a look at a site for downloading the testing 
version of Woody, why so many cd's? 
 
Nick

Need help with Woody on Toshiba Libretto 70CT

[Nick]

I have Woody installed on my Toshiba 
Libretto 70CT notebook. I have successfully setup the display and mouse works 
fine now, no problems there.
 
My current issue is this notebook does not use any 
scsi devices and some how I have installed support for IBM scsi KD-7000 whatever 
that is, anyway it fails to locate this piece of hardware and I think if I 
removed this it would speed up the startup. When I startX I get a message in 
XConsole which describes the failed search for IBM KD-7000 scsi device. How can 
I remove this?
 
I am also concerned that when using dselect if left 
for a minute or two with no activity it then automatically boots into X-Windows 
with a login box which I do not normally get, and then each time I try to logout 
it starts X again and I can only get out by resetting the computer. Is this 
related to the above problem?
 
Nick

PCMCIA Modem - PhonicPro

[Nick]

Has anyone tried the Phonic ProV92 (model 11300) 
PCMCIA Modem yet.
 
I would really like to hear others success stories 
or comments on how they set this modem up if it worked.
 
Nick

Debian PC Requirements

[Nick]

I know I have a Debian Woody and I am pretty 
sure it is 2.3.
 
What I would like to know is what are the minimum 
PC requirements for this version.
 
Nick

Re: Why Woody?

[A. Demarteau \(linux rules!\)]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Nick wrote:

> Alot of you on this mailing list have told me to stay with Woody rather than 
> upgrade to Potato because Woody will eventually be the stable version.
imho is changing from woody to potato more like a downgrade.
Woody at this moment is known as "testing" maybe soon as "frozen"
It holds newer versions of packages and those in potato.
If you indeed run woody, stick with it.
If you run potato, then do upgrade and don't forget the proposed-upgrades.
> What is the major difference between Woody and Potato, why is Woody better 
> than Potato?
> 
> I am confused now, I spent a few hours downloading Potato 2.2r5 to upgrade 
> Woody 2.2r3 with the view of having the most stable release but from what I 
> have been told through this mailing list this is not the case so I am now 
> reluctant to install Potato even though on the download page it does say it 
> is stable.
> 
> I only started with Debian Woody 2.2r3 over a week ago and although I didn't 
> find it too difficult to install and have already picked up some of the lingo 
> purely by searching the Debian web site and performing copious amounts of 
> searches on Google I have had a few problems in X-Windows with my display and 
> mouse.
> 
> I have installed Debian Woody 2.2r3 on my Toshiba Libretto 70CT, which I 
> admit it is an old notebook PC but I want to use it purely for learning 
> Debian before I install it on other computers. I figure if I can have Debian 
> working on this notebook successfully I should be alright with installing on 
> most other computers.
> 
> My problem is when I originally installed Debian I opted for the advanced 
> display setup rather than the other which would have been easier. Anyway it 
> wouldn't load X-Windows because my screen was not setup correctly. So I found 
> a solution, I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to re-setup my display and 
> mouse etc.
> 
> This seems to have worked and allowed me to run X-Windows but my mouse is 
> very strange it seems to have long delays when moving the cursor around the 
> screen and I am concerned my display is still not setup correctly although I 
> really have no idea it could just be the mouse.
> 
> Has anyone used dpkg-reconfigure xcommon-xfree86 on a Toshiba Libretto 70CT 
> and remembers how much memory they used for the graphics card and which mouse 
> they selected.
> 
> Nick 
> 

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Re: Woody

[Fabian Fagerholm]

On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 11:55, Nick wrote:
> To all
> 
> Thank you all for your help explaining Woody and Potato
> I have decided to stick with my current installation of
> Woody and wait for the release of 3.0.
> 
> I had a look at a site for downloading the testing version
> of Woody, why so many cd's? 

I'm not sure where you've looked, but there are many distributors who
provide CD's with Debian on them. You've probably found one which
includes all of Debian (main, contrib, sources) and that's just too much
to fit on one CD. There are thousands of software packages available!

Take a look at http://www.debian.org/distrib/ to find out what the best
way to get Debian is.


In short, if you don't have a fast Internet connection (say 256k DSL or
faster) then you'll probably be best off getting the software on CD-ROM.

If you have a fast Internet connection (or if you can borrow someone
else's) then you only need to create a set of installation disks and
everything else will be downloaded for you.



If you already have Woody installed, then you just need to update
through the internet. First, make sure APT is configured correctly:

apt-setup  # (run this as root)

Then, run (still as root)

apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade

After some waiting and possibly answering some questions about how you
want things set up, you'll have the latest woody packages.

Doing this after woody has released will get you the final woody system
instead of the "testing" system.

Cheers,
fabbe



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Re: Need help with Woody on Toshiba Libretto 70CT

[Johan Romin]

On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:13:10AM +0100, Nick wrote:
> I have Woody installed on my Toshiba Libretto 70CT notebook. I have 
> successfully setup the display and mouse works fine now, no problems there.
> 
> My current issue is this notebook does not use any scsi devices and some how 
> I have installed support for IBM scsi KD-7000 whatever that is, anyway it 
> fails to locate this piece of hardware and I think if I removed this it would 
> speed up the startup. When I startX I get a message in XConsole which 
> describes the failed search for IBM KD-7000 scsi device. How can I remove 
> this?

Probobly you need to change kernel. I belive there is a purePCI based kernel 
without any scsi support.. that should work fine. or you could always compile 
your own, but not really simple.

> I am also concerned that when using dselect if left for a minute or two with 
> no activity it then automatically boots into X-Windows with a login box which 
> I do not normally get, and then each time I try to logout it starts X again 
> and I can only get out by resetting the computer. Is this related to the 
> above problem?
> 
Well, you seem to be running xdm which does that you describe, I assume you 
want to access your console? which you can to from X-Window by pressing 
ctrl+shift F1-F6 which should be the terminals on your console.

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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Fabian Fagerholm]

On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 12:25, Nick wrote:
> I know I have a Debian Woody and I am pretty sure it is 2.3.

That's impossible. Woody is 3.0.

You're probably just confusing yourself. Debian versions always have a
version number, but they also have a "code name". If the code name is
confusing, just say what version number you have. You can get the
version number by typing
cat /etc/debian_version
in a terminal.

Also, there are "releases", for instance Debian 2.2 release 6 (codename
"potato") is the latest stable release at this time. The next stable
release is Debian 3.0 (codename "woody") and it is due to be released
soon.

> What I would like to know is what are the minimum PC
> requirements for this version.

See http://www.debian.org/intro/about and click "What hardware is
supported". Basically, if you have a 386 PC with 300 MB of hard disk
space and 16 MB of memory or anything higher, then you'll be fine.

You probably want to browse around the offical Debian website at
http://www.debian.org/ - most of the questions you have had so far are
answered there.

Cheers :)

fabbe



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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Fabian Fagerholm]

On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 12:50, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
> Basically, if you have a 386 PC with 300 MB of hard disk
> space and 16 MB of memory or anything higher, then you'll be fine.

Just one clarification: Such a machine will definately not run fast, and
some programs will not fit all at once. But that's fine for a basic
setup.

Cheers,
fabbe



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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Chris Jenks]

At 05:56 AM 4/9/02, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:

On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 12:50, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
> Basically, if you have a 386 PC with 300 MB of hard disk
> space and 16 MB of memory or anything higher, then you'll be fine.

Just one clarification: Such a machine will definately not run fast, and
some programs will not fit all at once. But that's fine for a basic
setup.


Basically Nick this isn't windows. It will run on what every you want it to.
I'm not sure if it will run on a 286 or a 8086, but I'm pretty sure no one has
those sitting around anywhere (well I do, but they're not being used).


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bluetooth

[alexis . guillard]

I am looking to have a bluetooth 2.0 device, I have a laptop Dell latitude
running a sid. 
Is one better than the other ? Is one very friendly to install and use under
Debian ? 
Thanks in advance.

Alexis


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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Michal Melewski]

> Basically Nick this isn't windows. It will run on what every you want it to.
> I'm not sure if it will run on a 286 or a 8086, but I'm pretty sure no one 
> has
> those sitting around anywhere (well I do, but they're not being used).
I'm sure it won't :)
Linux can't be run on machines weaker then 386 because 286 didn't have
'protected mode'. (i'm not sure whether it's proper name but...)


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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Chris Jenks]

At 06:26 AM 4/9/02, Michal Melewski wrote:
> Basically Nick this isn't windows. It will run on what every you want 
it to.

> I'm not sure if it will run on a 286 or a 8086, but I'm pretty sure no one
> has
> those sitting around anywhere (well I do, but they're not being used).
I'm sure it won't :)
Linux can't be run on machines weaker then 386 because 286 didn't have
'protected mode'. (i'm not sure whether it's proper name but...)


I thought I saw somewhere on the web that the old ATARI's had a port.
(I have one of those sitting in the basement too. Atari 800lx).

My point in the email was: if you can buy it on the market, you should
be able to run Debian on it. Only the cutting edge stuff will give you slight
head aches from lack of drivers. (Well win-modems will cause head aches
too).


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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Pappu]

On Tuesday, 9 April 2002 06:11:47 -0400, Chris Jenks wrote:
 > I'm not sure if it will run on a 286 or a 8086,
It requires at least  a 386 to run. The kernel  of the GNU/Linux system
(Linux) is a 32  bit kernel and 386 is the start  of 32 bit chips from
Intel. 

bye,
pappu.


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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Nick]

Michael
Why do you think I am making the transition to Debian Linux, I have had
enough of WINDOWS! I want to stop using Windows because the multitude of
Viruses seem to be tailor made for "Windows"! Even the best Security
software doesn't stop viruses from infiltrating a Windows system and
Antivirus programs and firewalls such as Norton seem to just make hackers
all the more determined to attack a Windows computer because there are so
many free tools to hack Windows.

I am very new to Debian, I have had some success with Redhat but I like
Debian, its ease of installation and all the great tools and packages make
it a very sexy package and it's FREE! But if I am ever to learn I have to
ask questions or else I will never be in a position to bin my Windows cd's.

Nick


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From: "Chris Jenks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: Debian PC Requirements


> At 06:26 AM 4/9/02, Michal Melewski wrote:
> > > Basically Nick this isn't windows. It will run on what every you want
> > it to.
> > > I'm not sure if it will run on a 286 or a 8086, but I'm pretty sure no
one
> > > has
> > > those sitting around anywhere (well I do, but they're not being used).
> >I'm sure it won't :)
> >Linux can't be run on machines weaker then 386 because 286 didn't have
> >'protected mode'. (i'm not sure whether it's proper name but...)
>
> I thought I saw somewhere on the web that the old ATARI's had a port.
> (I have one of those sitting in the basement too. Atari 800lx).
>
> My point in the email was: if you can buy it on the market, you should
> be able to run Debian on it. Only the cutting edge stuff will give you
slight
> head aches from lack of drivers. (Well win-modems will cause head aches
> too).
>
>
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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Chris Jenks]

At 08:05 AM 4/9/02, Nick wrote:

Michael
Why do you think I am making the transition to Debian Linux, I have had
enough of WINDOWS! I want to stop using Windows because the multitude of
Viruses seem to be tailor made for "Windows"! Even the best Security
software doesn't stop viruses from infiltrating a Windows system and
Antivirus programs and firewalls such as Norton seem to just make hackers
all the more determined to attack a Windows computer because there are so
many free tools to hack Windows.

I am very new to Debian, I have had some success with Redhat but I like
Debian, its ease of installation and all the great tools and packages make
it a very sexy package and it's FREE! But if I am ever to learn I have to
ask questions or else I will never be in a position to bin my Windows cd's.

Nick


Not Michael, I'm Chris. Hardware requirements is a thing of the MS Windows
world. Newer versions of MS Windows usually have issues running on older
boxes. That's not the problem you have to watch out for with Debian (or Linux
in general). The only hardware gotchas you have to worry about are
Win-Modems and brand new hardware that doesn't have drivers for linux yet.

Running a Linux box doesn't mean that they try less to crack you box. I think
that they try harder. There are viruses that hit linux (about 1 every 2 
years) but

there are a lot more Trojan horses, and people trying to find back doors into
your system.

Chris


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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Derek Broughton]

Nick wrote:



I am very new to Debian, I have had some success with Redhat but I like
Debian, its ease of installation and all the great tools and packages make
it a very sexy package and it's FREE! But if I am ever to learn I have to
ask questions or else I will never be in a position to bin my Windows cd's


Hey, Nick, you're our kind of guy!  Many people complain that Debian 
isn't a good intro system for Linux.  It's too hard to get it working 
(so they say).  I started with a Debian system (Corel Linux) and while 
the Corel part was junked fairly quickly, I've never been sorry I chose 
Debian.


So, as people have told you, any currently (or even not so current) 
available processor should be usable.  The tricky bits are the video and 
modems.  You seem to have the video worked out, but modems...  So many 
are Winmodems that it becomes important to check for compatibility first.


My point in the email was: if you can buy it on the market, you should
be able to run Debian on it. Only the cutting edge stuff will give you
slight
head aches from lack of drivers. (Well win-modems will cause head aches
too).

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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Chris Howells]

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> It requires at least  a 386 to run. The kernel  of the GNU/Linux system
> (Linux) is a 32  bit kernel and 386 is the start  of 32 bit chips from
> Intel.

For the sake of completeness, I will point out that this in incorrect.

http://www.elks.ecs.soton.ac.uk/

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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Kemal R Seitveliyev]

Well, it actually does not run very fast on my computer. Windows 2000 runs
at acceptable speeds.. Linux sort of
slows down substantially with every extra program started... I have
a Toshiba Portege 7010ct with 300 mhz processor, 96 mb ram, and have what
I assume to be woody - it got network-installed three days ago, so it's
the latest release I presume... The guys who built the thing did terrific
job... Also Codeweavers Office works: almost like real thing! Only slow
slow slow..

I have a question: may be there are answers already somewhere, but despite
looking around I did not manage to find many so far.. I am pretty new to
the Linux as you would guess..

How to make my laptop on wake-up automatically check the
network pcmcia card, try to get to the network and get machine's IP set
via DHCP? Also, how to force-kill the PCMCIA network card when it refuses
to switch off because its "busy"?

Would much appreciate any leads.. Also, will be glad to help anybody with
Portege like mine if any advise needed (although, of course, there is not
really much advise that I can give)...

Best to all of you,

Kemal



On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Chris Jenks wrote:

> At 08:05 AM 4/9/02, Nick wrote:
>
> Not Michael, I'm Chris. Hardware requirements is a thing of the MS Windows
> world. Newer versions of MS Windows usually have issues running on older
> boxes. That's not the problem you have to watch out for with Debian (or Linux
> in general). The only hardware gotchas you have to worry about are
> Win-Modems and brand new hardware that doesn't have drivers for linux yet.
>
> Running a Linux box doesn't mean that they try less to crack you box. I think
> that they try harder. There are viruses that hit linux (about 1 every 2
> years) but
> there are a lot more Trojan horses, and people trying to find back doors into
> your system.
>
> Chris
>
>
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Re: Fun and excitement with Dell Latitude C600

[David Z Maze]

David Z. Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Further enlightenment comes from booting single-user.  Check i8kctl;
> oops, temperature's a bit high, turn on the fan.  Wait.  Turn off
> fan.  Wait.  Load sound drivers.  Wait.  Load PCMCIA...instant
> reboot.

And still further enlightment: I have issues if PCMCIA starts, brings
up the wireless card, and it goes to DHCP as opposed to picking some
static address.  (Practically, this translates to "my laptop is
allergic to my office at work".  Hmm.)  Disabling the 802.11 card and
putting in a CardBus 100baseT card and letting it pick up a DHCP
address works fine.  Is there some well-known combination of software
that causes this?  (Again, tracking sid, kernel 2.4.17, standalone
pcmcia-cs modules.)

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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Derek Broughton]

Kemal R Seitveliyev wrote:

Well, it actually does not run very fast on my computer. Windows 2000 runs
at acceptable speeds.. Linux sort of
slows down substantially with every extra program started... I have


That sounds like you don't have a swap partition, the results of "swapon 
-s" should show something like:


Filename TypeSizeUsedPriority
/dev/hda10   partition   248968  107692  -1

If there isn't any swap space at all, or it doesn't say "partition", you 
need to get some space on your drive to dedicate to swap.  It's just not 
believable that a properly configured Linux system on a 300MHz processor 
with 96MB ram will run slower than the same machine running Windows 2000.



a Toshiba Portege 7010ct with 300 mhz processor, 96 mb ram, and have what
I assume to be woody - it got network-installed three days ago, so it's


No reason to assume it is.  See your /etc/apt/sources.list.  It contains 
lines like:

deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib

basically if the word after the URL is 'woody' or 'testing' you have 
woody.

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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Ron Reinhart]

 >It requires at least  a 386 to run. The kernel  of the GNU/Linux system
> (Linux) is a 32  bit kernel and 386 is the start  of 32 bit chips from
> Intel.

I hate to date myself so badly but it seems to me that professors where running
Linux on 8088's and 8086's around 1990 or so before 32bit Intel chips.  I was
running OS9 on a CoCo3 at the time so I can't say from my own experience.
Regards,
Ron




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Re: Need help with Woody on Toshiba Libretto 70CT

[Shyamal Prasad]

"nick" == nickmessenger   writes:

nick> devices and some how I have installed support for IBM scsi
nick> KD-7000 whatever that is, anyway it fails to locate this
nick> piece of hardware and I think if I removed this it would
nick> speed up the startup. When I startX I get a message in
nick> XConsole which describes the failed search for IBM KD-7000
nick> scsi device. How can I remove this?

Use dselect or apt to install a idepci kernel. You probably used a
kernel version that has SCSI in it. Something like
kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci (or kernel-image-2.4.18-idepci) is what you
want.

Issuing 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci' should do it.

Cheers!
Shyamal


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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Stephen Ryan]

On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 18:23, Ron Reinhart wrote:
>  >It requires at least  a 386 to run. The kernel  of the GNU/Linux system
> > (Linux) is a 32  bit kernel and 386 is the start  of 32 bit chips from
> > Intel.
> 
> I hate to date myself so badly but it seems to me that professors where 
> running
> Linux on 8088's and 8086's around 1990 or so before 32bit Intel chips.  I was
> running OS9 on a CoCo3 at the time so I can't say from my own experience.
> Regards,
> Ron

Linux, no.  Minix, maybe.  However, the Intel 80386 had been available
for a couple of years already by 1990, and Linux was started as an
experiment to use the "advanced features" of the 386, and so was 32 bit
right from the start.


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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Shyamal Prasad]

"Ron" == Ron Reinhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Ron> I hate to date myself so badly but it seems to me that
Ron> professors where running Linux on 8088's and 8086's around
Ron> 1990 or so before 32bit Intel chips.  I was running OS9 on a
Ron> CoCo3 at the time so I can't say from my own experience.
Ron> Regards, Ron

You're probably thinking Minix (students were using it, like your's
sincerely). The Minix source license was a little restrictive if I
remember right. Linux required 386 starting out, because it used the
virtual memory features in the 386. I guess I just dated myself
too...

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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Nick]

Hi Derek
I remember hearing about Corel, I never knew Debian was to be its successor,
almost makes me wish I started learning Linux earlier.
I have had some success with a few distros for example Redhat, Mandrake,
Slackware, Fat Linux and now Debian but I have to say Debian is the easiest
to setup with very little help which was not the case with the other distros
I mentioned above. Second to Debian I would choose Redhat but unfortunately
the support was not there where as with Debian I have had support from day
one and if reading the documentation from the Debian web site wasn't enough
the mailing list provided me with all the support I could ask for.
Personally I don't think Debian should be frowned upon as just an
introductory package to Linux, it is a very powerful Linux distribution with
over three thousand packages to choose from, we are spoilt for choice. I
intend to try the Ham radio software in the near future and I have already
been using a Debian package called GSchem for drawing up schematics. My next
trick will be to findout if my modem is compatible.

Nick


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Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Debian PC Requirements


> Nick wrote:
>
>
> > I am very new to Debian, I have had some success with Redhat but I like
> > Debian, its ease of installation and all the great tools and packages
make
> > it a very sexy package and it's FREE! But if I am ever to learn I have
to
> > ask questions or else I will never be in a position to bin my Windows
cd's
>
> Hey, Nick, you're our kind of guy!  Many people complain that Debian
> isn't a good intro system for Linux.  It's too hard to get it working
> (so they say).  I started with a Debian system (Corel Linux) and while
> the Corel part was junked fairly quickly, I've never been sorry I chose
> Debian.
>
> So, as people have told you, any currently (or even not so current)
> available processor should be usable.  The tricky bits are the video and
> modems.  You seem to have the video worked out, but modems...  So many
> are Winmodems that it becomes important to check for compatibility first.
> >>
> >>My point in the email was: if you can buy it on the market, you should
> >>be able to run Debian on it. Only the cutting edge stuff will give you
> >>slight
> >>head aches from lack of drivers. (Well win-modems will cause head aches
> >>too).
> --
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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Dave Thayer]

On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:32:47PM -0400, Stephen Ryan wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 18:23, Ron Reinhart wrote:
> >  >It requires at least  a 386 to run. The kernel  of the GNU/Linux system
> > > (Linux) is a 32  bit kernel and 386 is the start  of 32 bit chips from
> > > Intel.
> > 
> > I hate to date myself so badly but it seems to me that professors where 
> > running
> > Linux on 8088's and 8086's around 1990 or so before 32bit Intel chips.  I 
> > was
> > running OS9 on a CoCo3 at the time so I can't say from my own experience.
> > Regards,
> > Ron
> 
> Linux, no.  Minix, maybe.  However, the Intel 80386 had been available
> for a couple of years already by 1990, and Linux was started as an
> experiment to use the "advanced features" of the 386, and so was 32 bit
> right from the start.
> 

And just to come full-circle, there is now a port of linux to the 8086
called ELKS. See it at . I have half a
mind to try it out on an old PC I have here.

dt

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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Nate Bargmann]

* Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002 Apr 09 21:18 -0500]:



Wow, Nick.

What a testimonial!

Normally the knock on Debian is that "it's too difficult for newbies to
install" and "is a distribution only experts could love." If I didn't
know better I'd say you're on a quest to counter every bit of FUD I've
heard on Debian the past three years.

As for Debian being the successor to Corel.  Corel's distribution was
originally based on Debain, remained so, and now that Corel has passed
on, Debian is the natural upgrade path.

BTW, there is a Debian-ham list you might want to check out (quite low
traffic) and the linux-hams list at vger.kernel.org

73, de Nate >>

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Re: Radeon Mobility LY supported by Debian?

[Marco Mililotti]

bozhou wrote:

> Hello,
>
> We just installed Debian woody on a Dell Inspiron 4100.  The lspci 
> command shows it has a Radeon Mobility LY.  So I checked the X 
> documentation, which says that I should use the ati driver, which will 
> detect the Radeon card and load the proper driver.  I selected this in 
> the xserver-xfree86 debconf system.
>
> When I type "startx", it lists a set of R128 and Radeon cards 
> supported, but Radeon Mobility LY is not listed.  Is this card 
> unsupported?  Do I need to wait for the 4.2.0 packages? 

Hi.
   I've a Asus LK series notebook which has the same card (ATI Radeon 
Mobility M6 LY). It's from the latest release of XFree that it's really 
supported. I'm using December01-cvs release of XFree (4.1.99), so I 
think it's better to look at 4.2 pkgs now (where/if available [*]).


  As a newbie to this list ... I have a lot of questions to ask for :) 
So be patient with my future messages ;)

[*] : anyone know about unofficial X4.2 debian packages?

Bye,

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Woody

[Nick]

To all
 
Thank you all for your help explaining Woody and 
Potato I have decided to stick with my current installation of Woody and 
wait for the release of 3.0.
 
I had a look at a site for downloading the testing 
version of Woody, why so many cd's? 
 
Nick

Need help with Woody on Toshiba Libretto 70CT

[Nick]

I have Woody installed on my Toshiba 
Libretto 70CT notebook. I have successfully setup the display and mouse works 
fine now, no problems there.
 
My current issue is this notebook does not use any 
scsi devices and some how I have installed support for IBM scsi KD-7000 whatever 
that is, anyway it fails to locate this piece of hardware and I think if I 
removed this it would speed up the startup. When I startX I get a message in 
XConsole which describes the failed search for IBM KD-7000 scsi device. How can 
I remove this?
 
I am also concerned that when using dselect if left 
for a minute or two with no activity it then automatically boots into X-Windows 
with a login box which I do not normally get, and then each time I try to logout 
it starts X again and I can only get out by resetting the computer. Is this 
related to the above problem?
 
Nick

PCMCIA Modem - PhonicPro

[Nick]

Has anyone tried the Phonic ProV92 (model 11300) 
PCMCIA Modem yet.
 
I would really like to hear others success stories 
or comments on how they set this modem up if it worked.
 
Nick

Debian PC Requirements

[Nick]

I know I have a Debian Woody and I am pretty 
sure it is 2.3.
 
What I would like to know is what are the minimum 
PC requirements for this version.
 
Nick

Re: Why Woody?

[A. Demarteau (linux rules!)]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Nick wrote:

> Alot of you on this mailing list have told me to stay with Woody rather than upgrade 
>to Potato because Woody will eventually be the stable version.
imho is changing from woody to potato more like a downgrade.
Woody at this moment is known as "testing" maybe soon as "frozen"
It holds newer versions of packages and those in potato.
If you indeed run woody, stick with it.
If you run potato, then do upgrade and don't forget the proposed-upgrades.
> What is the major difference between Woody and Potato, why is Woody better than 
>Potato?
> 
> I am confused now, I spent a few hours downloading Potato 2.2r5 to upgrade Woody 
>2.2r3 with the view of having the most stable release but from what I have been told 
>through this mailing list this is not the case so I am now reluctant to install 
>Potato even though on the download page it does say it is stable.
> 
> I only started with Debian Woody 2.2r3 over a week ago and although I didn't find it 
>too difficult to install and have already picked up some of the lingo purely by 
>searching the Debian web site and performing copious amounts of searches on Google I 
>have had a few problems in X-Windows with my display and mouse.
> 
> I have installed Debian Woody 2.2r3 on my Toshiba Libretto 70CT, which I admit it is 
>an old notebook PC but I want to use it purely for learning Debian before I install 
>it on other computers. I figure if I can have Debian working on this notebook 
>successfully I should be alright with installing on most other computers.
> 
> My problem is when I originally installed Debian I opted for the advanced display 
>setup rather than the other which would have been easier. Anyway it wouldn't load 
>X-Windows because my screen was not setup correctly. So I found a solution, I ran 
>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to re-setup my display and mouse etc.
> 
> This seems to have worked and allowed me to run X-Windows but my mouse is very 
>strange it seems to have long delays when moving the cursor around the screen and I 
>am concerned my display is still not setup correctly although I really have no idea 
>it could just be the mouse.
> 
> Has anyone used dpkg-reconfigure xcommon-xfree86 on a Toshiba Libretto 70CT and 
>remembers how much memory they used for the graphics card and which mouse they 
>selected.
> 
> Nick 
> 

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Re: Woody

[Fabian Fagerholm]

On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 11:55, Nick wrote:
> To all
> 
> Thank you all for your help explaining Woody and Potato
> I have decided to stick with my current installation of
> Woody and wait for the release of 3.0.
> 
> I had a look at a site for downloading the testing version
> of Woody, why so many cd's? 

I'm not sure where you've looked, but there are many distributors who
provide CD's with Debian on them. You've probably found one which
includes all of Debian (main, contrib, sources) and that's just too much
to fit on one CD. There are thousands of software packages available!

Take a look at http://www.debian.org/distrib/ to find out what the best
way to get Debian is.


In short, if you don't have a fast Internet connection (say 256k DSL or
faster) then you'll probably be best off getting the software on CD-ROM.

If you have a fast Internet connection (or if you can borrow someone
else's) then you only need to create a set of installation disks and
everything else will be downloaded for you.



If you already have Woody installed, then you just need to update
through the internet. First, make sure APT is configured correctly:

apt-setup  # (run this as root)

Then, run (still as root)

apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade

After some waiting and possibly answering some questions about how you
want things set up, you'll have the latest woody packages.

Doing this after woody has released will get you the final woody system
instead of the "testing" system.

Cheers,
fabbe




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Re: Need help with Woody on Toshiba Libretto 70CT

[Johan Romin]

On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:13:10AM +0100, Nick wrote:
> I have Woody installed on my Toshiba Libretto 70CT notebook. I have successfully 
>setup the display and mouse works fine now, no problems there.
> 
> My current issue is this notebook does not use any scsi devices and some how I have 
>installed support for IBM scsi KD-7000 whatever that is, anyway it fails to locate 
>this piece of hardware and I think if I removed this it would speed up the startup. 
>When I startX I get a message in XConsole which describes the failed search for IBM 
>KD-7000 scsi device. How can I remove this?

Probobly you need to change kernel. I belive there is a purePCI based kernel without 
any scsi support.. that should work fine. or you could always compile your own, but 
not really simple.

> I am also concerned that when using dselect if left for a minute or two with no 
>activity it then automatically boots into X-Windows with a login box which I do not 
>normally get, and then each time I try to logout it starts X again and I can only get 
>out by resetting the computer. Is this related to the above problem?
> 
Well, you seem to be running xdm which does that you describe, I assume you want to 
access your console? which you can to from X-Window by pressing ctrl+shift F1-F6 which 
should be the terminals on your console.

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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Fabian Fagerholm]

On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 12:25, Nick wrote:
> I know I have a Debian Woody and I am pretty sure it is 2.3.

That's impossible. Woody is 3.0.

You're probably just confusing yourself. Debian versions always have a
version number, but they also have a "code name". If the code name is
confusing, just say what version number you have. You can get the
version number by typing
cat /etc/debian_version
in a terminal.

Also, there are "releases", for instance Debian 2.2 release 6 (codename
"potato") is the latest stable release at this time. The next stable
release is Debian 3.0 (codename "woody") and it is due to be released
soon.

> What I would like to know is what are the minimum PC
> requirements for this version.

See http://www.debian.org/intro/about and click "What hardware is
supported". Basically, if you have a 386 PC with 300 MB of hard disk
space and 16 MB of memory or anything higher, then you'll be fine.

You probably want to browse around the offical Debian website at
http://www.debian.org/ - most of the questions you have had so far are
answered there.

Cheers :)

fabbe




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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Fabian Fagerholm]

On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 12:50, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
> Basically, if you have a 386 PC with 300 MB of hard disk
> space and 16 MB of memory or anything higher, then you'll be fine.

Just one clarification: Such a machine will definately not run fast, and
some programs will not fit all at once. But that's fine for a basic
setup.

Cheers,
fabbe




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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Chris Jenks]

At 05:56 AM 4/9/02, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
>On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 12:50, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
> > Basically, if you have a 386 PC with 300 MB of hard disk
> > space and 16 MB of memory or anything higher, then you'll be fine.
>
>Just one clarification: Such a machine will definately not run fast, and
>some programs will not fit all at once. But that's fine for a basic
>setup.

Basically Nick this isn't windows. It will run on what every you want it to.
I'm not sure if it will run on a 286 or a 8086, but I'm pretty sure no one has
those sitting around anywhere (well I do, but they're not being used).


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bluetooth

[alexis . guillard]

I am looking to have a bluetooth 2.0 device, I have a laptop Dell latitude
running a sid. 
Is one better than the other ? Is one very friendly to install and use under
Debian ? 
Thanks in advance.

Alexis


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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Michal Melewski]

> Basically Nick this isn't windows. It will run on what every you want it to.
> I'm not sure if it will run on a 286 or a 8086, but I'm pretty sure no one 
> has
> those sitting around anywhere (well I do, but they're not being used).
I'm sure it won't :)
Linux can't be run on machines weaker then 386 because 286 didn't have
'protected mode'. (i'm not sure whether it's proper name but...)


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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Chris Jenks]

At 06:26 AM 4/9/02, Michal Melewski wrote:
> > Basically Nick this isn't windows. It will run on what every you want 
> it to.
> > I'm not sure if it will run on a 286 or a 8086, but I'm pretty sure no one
> > has
> > those sitting around anywhere (well I do, but they're not being used).
>I'm sure it won't :)
>Linux can't be run on machines weaker then 386 because 286 didn't have
>'protected mode'. (i'm not sure whether it's proper name but...)

I thought I saw somewhere on the web that the old ATARI's had a port.
(I have one of those sitting in the basement too. Atari 800lx).

My point in the email was: if you can buy it on the market, you should
be able to run Debian on it. Only the cutting edge stuff will give you slight
head aches from lack of drivers. (Well win-modems will cause head aches
too).


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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Pappu]

On Tuesday, 9 April 2002 06:11:47 -0400, Chris Jenks wrote:
 > I'm not sure if it will run on a 286 or a 8086,
It requires at least  a 386 to run. The kernel  of the GNU/Linux system
(Linux) is a 32  bit kernel and 386 is the start  of 32 bit chips from
Intel. 

bye,
pappu.


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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Nick]

Michael
Why do you think I am making the transition to Debian Linux, I have had
enough of WINDOWS! I want to stop using Windows because the multitude of
Viruses seem to be tailor made for "Windows"! Even the best Security
software doesn't stop viruses from infiltrating a Windows system and
Antivirus programs and firewalls such as Norton seem to just make hackers
all the more determined to attack a Windows computer because there are so
many free tools to hack Windows.

I am very new to Debian, I have had some success with Redhat but I like
Debian, its ease of installation and all the great tools and packages make
it a very sexy package and it's FREE! But if I am ever to learn I have to
ask questions or else I will never be in a position to bin my Windows cd's.

Nick


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From: "Chris Jenks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: Debian PC Requirements


> At 06:26 AM 4/9/02, Michal Melewski wrote:
> > > Basically Nick this isn't windows. It will run on what every you want
> > it to.
> > > I'm not sure if it will run on a 286 or a 8086, but I'm pretty sure no
one
> > > has
> > > those sitting around anywhere (well I do, but they're not being used).
> >I'm sure it won't :)
> >Linux can't be run on machines weaker then 386 because 286 didn't have
> >'protected mode'. (i'm not sure whether it's proper name but...)
>
> I thought I saw somewhere on the web that the old ATARI's had a port.
> (I have one of those sitting in the basement too. Atari 800lx).
>
> My point in the email was: if you can buy it on the market, you should
> be able to run Debian on it. Only the cutting edge stuff will give you
slight
> head aches from lack of drivers. (Well win-modems will cause head aches
> too).
>
>
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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Chris Jenks]

At 08:05 AM 4/9/02, Nick wrote:
>Michael
>Why do you think I am making the transition to Debian Linux, I have had
>enough of WINDOWS! I want to stop using Windows because the multitude of
>Viruses seem to be tailor made for "Windows"! Even the best Security
>software doesn't stop viruses from infiltrating a Windows system and
>Antivirus programs and firewalls such as Norton seem to just make hackers
>all the more determined to attack a Windows computer because there are so
>many free tools to hack Windows.
>
>I am very new to Debian, I have had some success with Redhat but I like
>Debian, its ease of installation and all the great tools and packages make
>it a very sexy package and it's FREE! But if I am ever to learn I have to
>ask questions or else I will never be in a position to bin my Windows cd's.
>
>Nick

Not Michael, I'm Chris. Hardware requirements is a thing of the MS Windows
world. Newer versions of MS Windows usually have issues running on older
boxes. That's not the problem you have to watch out for with Debian (or Linux
in general). The only hardware gotchas you have to worry about are
Win-Modems and brand new hardware that doesn't have drivers for linux yet.

Running a Linux box doesn't mean that they try less to crack you box. I think
that they try harder. There are viruses that hit linux (about 1 every 2 
years) but
there are a lot more Trojan horses, and people trying to find back doors into
your system.

Chris


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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Derek Broughton]

Nick wrote:


> I am very new to Debian, I have had some success with Redhat but I like
> Debian, its ease of installation and all the great tools and packages make
> it a very sexy package and it's FREE! But if I am ever to learn I have to
> ask questions or else I will never be in a position to bin my Windows cd's

Hey, Nick, you're our kind of guy!  Many people complain that Debian 
isn't a good intro system for Linux.  It's too hard to get it working 
(so they say).  I started with a Debian system (Corel Linux) and while 
the Corel part was junked fairly quickly, I've never been sorry I chose 
Debian.

So, as people have told you, any currently (or even not so current) 
available processor should be usable.  The tricky bits are the video and 
modems.  You seem to have the video worked out, but modems...  So many 
are Winmodems that it becomes important to check for compatibility first.
>>
>>My point in the email was: if you can buy it on the market, you should
>>be able to run Debian on it. Only the cutting edge stuff will give you
>>slight
>>head aches from lack of drivers. (Well win-modems will cause head aches
>>too).
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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Chris Howells]

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> It requires at least  a 386 to run. The kernel  of the GNU/Linux system
> (Linux) is a 32  bit kernel and 386 is the start  of 32 bit chips from
> Intel.

For the sake of completeness, I will point out that this in incorrect.

http://www.elks.ecs.soton.ac.uk/

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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Kemal R Seitveliyev]

Well, it actually does not run very fast on my computer. Windows 2000 runs
at acceptable speeds.. Linux sort of
slows down substantially with every extra program started... I have
a Toshiba Portege 7010ct with 300 mhz processor, 96 mb ram, and have what
I assume to be woody - it got network-installed three days ago, so it's
the latest release I presume... The guys who built the thing did terrific
job... Also Codeweavers Office works: almost like real thing! Only slow
slow slow..

I have a question: may be there are answers already somewhere, but despite
looking around I did not manage to find many so far.. I am pretty new to
the Linux as you would guess..

How to make my laptop on wake-up automatically check the
network pcmcia card, try to get to the network and get machine's IP set
via DHCP? Also, how to force-kill the PCMCIA network card when it refuses
to switch off because its "busy"?

Would much appreciate any leads.. Also, will be glad to help anybody with
Portege like mine if any advise needed (although, of course, there is not
really much advise that I can give)...

Best to all of you,

Kemal



On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Chris Jenks wrote:

> At 08:05 AM 4/9/02, Nick wrote:
>
> Not Michael, I'm Chris. Hardware requirements is a thing of the MS Windows
> world. Newer versions of MS Windows usually have issues running on older
> boxes. That's not the problem you have to watch out for with Debian (or Linux
> in general). The only hardware gotchas you have to worry about are
> Win-Modems and brand new hardware that doesn't have drivers for linux yet.
>
> Running a Linux box doesn't mean that they try less to crack you box. I think
> that they try harder. There are viruses that hit linux (about 1 every 2
> years) but
> there are a lot more Trojan horses, and people trying to find back doors into
> your system.
>
> Chris
>
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Re: Fun and excitement with Dell Latitude C600

[David Z Maze]

David Z. Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Further enlightenment comes from booting single-user.  Check i8kctl;
> oops, temperature's a bit high, turn on the fan.  Wait.  Turn off
> fan.  Wait.  Load sound drivers.  Wait.  Load PCMCIA...instant
> reboot.

And still further enlightment: I have issues if PCMCIA starts, brings
up the wireless card, and it goes to DHCP as opposed to picking some
static address.  (Practically, this translates to "my laptop is
allergic to my office at work".  Hmm.)  Disabling the 802.11 card and
putting in a CardBus 100baseT card and letting it pick up a DHCP
address works fine.  Is there some well-known combination of software
that causes this?  (Again, tracking sid, kernel 2.4.17, standalone
pcmcia-cs modules.)

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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Derek Broughton]

Kemal R Seitveliyev wrote:
> Well, it actually does not run very fast on my computer. Windows 2000 runs
> at acceptable speeds.. Linux sort of
> slows down substantially with every extra program started... I have

That sounds like you don't have a swap partition, the results of "swapon 
-s" should show something like:

Filename TypeSizeUsedPriority
/dev/hda10   partition   248968  107692  -1

If there isn't any swap space at all, or it doesn't say "partition", you 
need to get some space on your drive to dedicate to swap.  It's just not 
believable that a properly configured Linux system on a 300MHz processor 
with 96MB ram will run slower than the same machine running Windows 2000.

> a Toshiba Portege 7010ct with 300 mhz processor, 96 mb ram, and have what
> I assume to be woody - it got network-installed three days ago, so it's

No reason to assume it is.  See your /etc/apt/sources.list.  It contains 
lines like:
deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib

basically if the word after the URL is 'woody' or 'testing' you have 
woody.
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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Ron Reinhart]

 >It requires at least  a 386 to run. The kernel  of the GNU/Linux system
> (Linux) is a 32  bit kernel and 386 is the start  of 32 bit chips from
> Intel.

I hate to date myself so badly but it seems to me that professors where running
Linux on 8088's and 8086's around 1990 or so before 32bit Intel chips.  I was
running OS9 on a CoCo3 at the time so I can't say from my own experience.
Regards,
Ron




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Re: Need help with Woody on Toshiba Libretto 70CT

[Shyamal Prasad]

"nick" == nickmessenger   writes:

nick> devices and some how I have installed support for IBM scsi
nick> KD-7000 whatever that is, anyway it fails to locate this
nick> piece of hardware and I think if I removed this it would
nick> speed up the startup. When I startX I get a message in
nick> XConsole which describes the failed search for IBM KD-7000
nick> scsi device. How can I remove this?

Use dselect or apt to install a idepci kernel. You probably used a
kernel version that has SCSI in it. Something like
kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci (or kernel-image-2.4.18-idepci) is what you
want.

Issuing 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci' should do it.

Cheers!
Shyamal


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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Stephen Ryan]

On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 18:23, Ron Reinhart wrote:
>  >It requires at least  a 386 to run. The kernel  of the GNU/Linux system
> > (Linux) is a 32  bit kernel and 386 is the start  of 32 bit chips from
> > Intel.
> 
> I hate to date myself so badly but it seems to me that professors where running
> Linux on 8088's and 8086's around 1990 or so before 32bit Intel chips.  I was
> running OS9 on a CoCo3 at the time so I can't say from my own experience.
> Regards,
> Ron

Linux, no.  Minix, maybe.  However, the Intel 80386 had been available
for a couple of years already by 1990, and Linux was started as an
experiment to use the "advanced features" of the 386, and so was 32 bit
right from the start.


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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Shyamal Prasad]

"Ron" == Ron Reinhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Ron> I hate to date myself so badly but it seems to me that
Ron> professors where running Linux on 8088's and 8086's around
Ron> 1990 or so before 32bit Intel chips.  I was running OS9 on a
Ron> CoCo3 at the time so I can't say from my own experience.
Ron> Regards, Ron

You're probably thinking Minix (students were using it, like your's
sincerely). The Minix source license was a little restrictive if I
remember right. Linux required 386 starting out, because it used the
virtual memory features in the 386. I guess I just dated myself
too...

Cheers!
Shyamal


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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Nick]

Hi Derek
I remember hearing about Corel, I never knew Debian was to be its successor,
almost makes me wish I started learning Linux earlier.
I have had some success with a few distros for example Redhat, Mandrake,
Slackware, Fat Linux and now Debian but I have to say Debian is the easiest
to setup with very little help which was not the case with the other distros
I mentioned above. Second to Debian I would choose Redhat but unfortunately
the support was not there where as with Debian I have had support from day
one and if reading the documentation from the Debian web site wasn't enough
the mailing list provided me with all the support I could ask for.
Personally I don't think Debian should be frowned upon as just an
introductory package to Linux, it is a very powerful Linux distribution with
over three thousand packages to choose from, we are spoilt for choice. I
intend to try the Ham radio software in the near future and I have already
been using a Debian package called GSchem for drawing up schematics. My next
trick will be to findout if my modem is compatible.

Nick


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From: "Derek Broughton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Debian PC Requirements


> Nick wrote:
>
>
> > I am very new to Debian, I have had some success with Redhat but I like
> > Debian, its ease of installation and all the great tools and packages
make
> > it a very sexy package and it's FREE! But if I am ever to learn I have
to
> > ask questions or else I will never be in a position to bin my Windows
cd's
>
> Hey, Nick, you're our kind of guy!  Many people complain that Debian
> isn't a good intro system for Linux.  It's too hard to get it working
> (so they say).  I started with a Debian system (Corel Linux) and while
> the Corel part was junked fairly quickly, I've never been sorry I chose
> Debian.
>
> So, as people have told you, any currently (or even not so current)
> available processor should be usable.  The tricky bits are the video and
> modems.  You seem to have the video worked out, but modems...  So many
> are Winmodems that it becomes important to check for compatibility first.
> >>
> >>My point in the email was: if you can buy it on the market, you should
> >>be able to run Debian on it. Only the cutting edge stuff will give you
> >>slight
> >>head aches from lack of drivers. (Well win-modems will cause head aches
> >>too).
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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Dave Thayer]

On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:32:47PM -0400, Stephen Ryan wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 18:23, Ron Reinhart wrote:
> >  >It requires at least  a 386 to run. The kernel  of the GNU/Linux system
> > > (Linux) is a 32  bit kernel and 386 is the start  of 32 bit chips from
> > > Intel.
> > 
> > I hate to date myself so badly but it seems to me that professors where running
> > Linux on 8088's and 8086's around 1990 or so before 32bit Intel chips.  I was
> > running OS9 on a CoCo3 at the time so I can't say from my own experience.
> > Regards,
> > Ron
> 
> Linux, no.  Minix, maybe.  However, the Intel 80386 had been available
> for a couple of years already by 1990, and Linux was started as an
> experiment to use the "advanced features" of the 386, and so was 32 bit
> right from the start.
> 

And just to come full-circle, there is now a port of linux to the 8086
called ELKS. See it at . I have half a
mind to try it out on an old PC I have here.

dt

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Re: Debian PC Requirements

[Nate Bargmann]

* Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002 Apr 09 21:18 -0500]:



Wow, Nick.

What a testimonial!

Normally the knock on Debian is that "it's too difficult for newbies to
install" and "is a distribution only experts could love." If I didn't
know better I'd say you're on a quest to counter every bit of FUD I've
heard on Debian the past three years.

As for Debian being the successor to Corel.  Corel's distribution was
originally based on Debain, remained so, and now that Corel has passed
on, Debian is the natural upgrade path.

BTW, there is a Debian-ham list you might want to check out (quite low
traffic) and the linux-hams list at vger.kernel.org

73, de Nate >>

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Linksys card mis-recognized

[Noah Meyerhans]

Hi folks.  I just installed a new copy of woody on my Vaio after getting
a new drive installed in it.  I am having trouble with my Linksys
Network Everywhere NP100 PCMCIA ethernet card...

The card is recognized as:
Apr 10 01:49:06 gnat cardmgr[376]: socket 0: Anonymous Memory
Apr 10 01:49:06 gnat cardmgr[376]: executing: 'modprobe memory_cs'
Apr 10 01:49:06 gnat cardmgr[376]: + modprobe: Can't locate module memory_cs
Apr 10 01:49:06 gnat cardmgr[376]: modprobe exited with status 255
Apr 10 01:49:06 gnat cardmgr[376]: module /lib/modules/2.4.17/pcmcia/memory_cs.o not 
available
Apr 10 01:49:07 gnat cardmgr[376]: get dev info on socket 0 failed: Resource 
temporarily unavailable

There are two different revisions of this card, and I have two of the
original and one version 2.0 to play with.  This problem only shows up
on the original version of the card, which uses the pcnet_cs driver (the
new one uses axnet_cs).  Version 2.0 of the card works fine, and is, in
fact, how I'm communicating right now.

The two versions of this card have, in the past, caused problems because
/etc/pcmcia/config only recognized one of them.  That problem has been
fixed, and seems completely unrelated to this problem.

I am certain that these cards are functional and can work correctly in
Linux.  I have another woody laptop that will use either version with no
trouble, though I suspect it is running an older version of pcmcia-cs,
as it hasn't been upgraded in a while.

Since there's no manfid or version string output by cardmgr (even when
running with -v), I can't figure out how to get this card properly
recognized.  Can anybody offer any hints?

Thanks.
noah

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