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Re: Auto Keys RNG

[Bill Stewart]

At 01:04 PM 02/22/2002 -0800, John Young wrote:
>It's been a while since automobile ignition key crypto was
>discussed here. An update below from the NY Times.
>
>But however good the system is, Mr. Simpson of the
>locksmiths association said this was not the last step in
>car security. "They haven't defeated it yet," he said. "But
>I'm sure it's just a matter of time."
>-

If the ignition key crypto communications happen out at the
steering wheel, it's defeatable by basic hotwiring,
but if they make the communications happen from the
electronic ignition module, that's tougher to crack.
The enterprising car thief _could_ carry around
a set of EPROMs for different car models -
or could resort to car-jacking, or social-engineering at parking lots.
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Re: Auto Keys RNG

[Eugene Leitl]

On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Bill Stewart wrote:

> If the ignition key crypto communications happen out at the steering
> wheel, it's defeatable by basic hotwiring, but if they make the
> communications happen from the electronic ignition module, that's
> tougher to crack. The enterprising car thief _could_ carry around a set

Tougher indeed, if you decrypt the ignition table based on the secret in
the car key transponder. Something like a nuke PAL. (They're not doing
that yet, I know).

> of EPROMs for different car models - or could resort to car-jacking, or

They're not EPROMS. Last time I ran into them these are custom embeddeds
(68HC11, MC68k derivates on a custom serial packet bus for BMW, nowadays
they probably will use ARM), with most code in PROM, some EEPROM (nowadays
flash, I guess) and some RAM. You'd need an entire part, and they're not
available on the open market. (Assuming, you'll go to the pains of driving
up a flatbed truck to the parking lot, and a specialist who can exchange
and program controlled parts, which really asks for high end cars for the
effort to pay).

> social-engineering at parking lots. Fancy electronics don't know that

Looks easier that way.

> you stole the keys.
>
> But those attacks are more trouble than stealing an unattended car,
> and work equally well against non-cryptographic cars,
> so it's a real risk reduction.

Re: Jail Cell Cipher (modified RC4)

[Meyer Wolfsheim]

On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Neil Johnson wrote:

> I believe that Ron Rivest (the R in RC4) has already created a version for
> "jail-cell" use.
>
> Pick up a copy of "Cryptonomicon" by Neal Stephenson. It's used in the book
> and there is an appendix in
> the back that explains the algorithm in good detail. (Stephenson calls it
> "Pontifex" in the book).

Huh? Pontifex is Bruce Schneier's "Solitare". (Neal changed the name as
not to give away the fact that it relied on a deck of cards.)

What's this have to do with Rivest?

> It works with playing cards, that would probably be less conspicuous in Jail
> than pencil and paper.
>
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Re: [Reformatted] EuroNazis want to ban thoughtcrime

[Eugene Leitl]

Let's recapitulate. We have a downunder nutcase who's using this public
resource for private dumping ground, while posting *a lot* (including
profanity and casual death threats, iirc) and constantly changing his
email address, thus avoiding filtering.

I don't propose the list policy to be changed, this particular forum
should be unmoderated. However, complaining to Matt's ISP (whose terms
he's clearly in violation with) and some grassroot pressure (if there are
100 people on his list willing to send back each of his messages 10x, he's
dealing with a 1000x amplification factor on each and single of his
messages) seems to be in order.

Does anyone see anything wrong with this plan?

On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, matt taylor wrote:

>  >>LONDON (Reuters) - Authors of emails and Internet postings that >
> contain racist or xenophobic material may face criminal charges under > a
> proposed European treaty that is dividing the Internet and law >
> enforcement communities. <<
>
> How about ANY material euronazi Eugene leitl doesn't like on this list?
>
>  >>From: Eugene Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:19:45 +0100 (MET)
> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>
> Because Matt Taylor won't keep a single email address, and thus making
> filtering him impractical, and because the cypherpunks list does not seem
> to encourage limits on communication I suggest returning every single
> message to him, whether manually, or via a procmail recipe.
> He stores information on cypherpunks archives, let us store a few large
> binaries in his inbox.
>

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Re: [Reformatted] Eugene Leitl want to ban thoughtcrime

[matt taylor]

 >>Let's recapitulate. We have a downunder nutcase<<

You have to be an upover nutcase? Who banned nutcases? When? Where can I 
appeal?EL should know all about the soviet abuse of psychiatry.

  >>who's using this public resource for private dumping ground, <<

If its public it cant be private.It's not *dumping either.Has EL complained 
to one of the hard spam merchants here?
ALL the complainers and whingers were bested by me in debate that's easily 
checked.

 >>while posting *a lot* (including profanity and casual death threats, 
iirc) <<

A lot to you maybe but not in proportion to the noise.The fact I bested you 
in debate rankle? Profanity and casual death threats oh my! From an 
Australian! Gott in Himmel!

 >>and constantly changing his email address, thus avoiding filtering.<<

I have a meat addy and had to change my ISP recently,someone I vaguely 
remember making a fool of take's exception.
I'll try and stay with my present ISP to humor the lunatic but he now says 
he's complaining to my new ISP!
I deny altering adress's to avoid filtering and I can prove it.Proof of my 
alleged misdeeds looks thin to nonexistant.

  >>I don't propose the list policy to be changed, this particular forum 
should be unmoderated.<<

Gee thanks Adolf.

 >> However, complaining to Matt's ISP (whose terms he's clearly in 
violation with) <<

Que? I didn't start sending large unsolicited e-mails and continue after 
being asked to stop.EL has.JJ and lord high executioner.

 >>and some grassroot pressure (if there are 100 people on his list willing 
to send back each of his messages 10x, he's dealing with a 1000x 
amplification factor on each and single of his messages) seems to be in 
order. Does anyone see anything wrong with this plan? <<

Well as recipient I could mention the shoot first and ask questions later 
aspect.Then theres the fact that I only post material here I can 
rationalize as being of some interest to at least some of you.I'm not 
sabotaging the list and have promised to keep my posts in proportion to the 
*hard* spam.Eugene is a unilateralist,a cowboy and is risking a repeat of a 
previous failed policy.Like the president he should be killfiled.All the 
whingers about me on this list have been made fools of by me in legit 
debate so their motives in attacking me are suspect.Pure ad Hominen from 
such imbeciles means I won the debate,why do people hate a winner indeed.I 
appeal to the sweet reason of the list.
Until I figure out a way to counter this below the belt attack on me I 
shall be forced to return all EL's stuff to him and here by hand.I would 
appreciate any tech advice from other list members,TIA.Kill the 
president,matt T.

Re: Was Pearl Sacrificed by the Patriotic WSJ?

[matt taylor]

>Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:01:13 +1100
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From: matt taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: FISK
>
> >>I was astounded last December when an American newspaper headline 
> announced that I had deserved the beating I received at the hands of that 
> Afghan crowd. I had almost died but the article, by Mark Steyn, carried a 
> headline that a "multiculturalist (me) gets his due''. My sin, of course, 
> was to explain that the crowd had lost relatives in America's B-52 raids, 
> that I would have done the same in their place. That shameful, unethical 
> headline, I should add, appeared in Daniel Pearl's own newspaper, The 
> Wall Street Journal.<<
>
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Our friend the angel of Lompoc has his throat cut by degree's everyday,when 
is this mild bunch going back for him?

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Re: CDR: Re: [Reformatted] Eugene Leitl want to ban thoughtcrime

[Eugene Leitl]

On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, matt taylor wrote:

> You have to be an upover nutcase? Who banned nutcases? When? Where can I

I have no problem with nutcases, as long as they're not disruptive. You're
being disruptive to this list.

> appeal?EL should know all about the soviet abuse of psychiatry.

I don't want you instituionalized. I just want you to behave borderline
normally on this channel.

>   >>who's using this public resource for private dumping ground, <<
>
> If its public it cant be private.It's not *dumping either.Has EL complained

Yes, it's public, not your private property. So stop dumping your trash
here.

> to one of the hard spam merchants here?

I try to track down and report spammers whenever it is possible. You're
fortunately not hard to track.

> ALL the complainers and whingers were bested by me in debate that's easily
> checked.

?

>  >>while posting *a lot* (including profanity and casual death threats,
> iirc) <<
>
> A lot to you maybe but not in proportion to the noise.The fact I bested you
> in debate rankle? Profanity and casual death threats oh my! From an
> Australian! Gott in Himmel!

I don't give a damn about your death threats and profanity. Your ISP does:

http://www.nex.com.au/support/terms.htm

"The customer must not use their Internet access to annoy, harass or harm
other Internet customers.

The customer must not use their Internet access for any unlawful purpose
or in any unlawful manner."

Clear enough? Shall I pull up a number of your posts which are in
violation of these rules you accepted when you signed up with your ISP?

>  >>and constantly changing his email address, thus avoiding filtering.<<
>
> I have a meat addy and had to change my ISP recently,someone I vaguely
> remember making a fool of take's exception.
> I'll try and stay with my present ISP to humor the lunatic but he now says
> he's complaining to my new ISP!
> I deny altering adress's to avoid filtering and I can prove it.Proof of my
> alleged misdeeds looks thin to nonexistant.

I had to change my filtering rules thrice to block you. This means you're
not interested in being minimally disruptive, but actually trying to get
past people's rules. This won't do.

>   >>I don't propose the list policy to be changed, this particular forum
> should be unmoderated.<<
>
> Gee thanks Adolf.
>
>  >> However, complaining to Matt's ISP (whose terms he's clearly in
> violation with) <<
>
> Que? I didn't start sending large unsolicited e-mails and continue after
> being asked to stop.EL has.JJ and lord high executioner.

Yes, you're absolutely innocent. Matt Taylor, keep up polluting this list,
and I'll personally pull up the choicest of your fewmets, and forward them
to your ISP.

>  >>and some grassroot pressure (if there are 100 people on his list willing
> to send back each of his messages 10x, he's dealing with a 1000x
> amplification factor on each and single of his messages) seems to be in
> order. Does anyone see anything wrong with this plan? <<
>
> Well as recipient I could mention the shoot first and ask questions later
> aspect.Then theres the fact that I only post material here I can
> rationalize as being of some interest to at least some of you.I'm not

Who's thinking Matt Taylor contributes valuable material to this list? A
show of hands? Yohn Young, perhaps?

> sabotaging the list and have promised to keep my posts in proportion to the
> *hard* spam.Eugene is a unilateralist,a cowboy and is risking a repeat of a

At some point you were contributing at least 10 posts in my inbox.

> previous failed policy.Like the president he should be killfiled.All the
> whingers about me on this list have been made fools of by me in legit
> debate so their motives in attacking me are suspect.Pure ad Hominen from
> such imbeciles means I won the debate,why do people hate a winner indeed.I
> appeal to the sweet reason of the list.
> Until I figure out a way to counter this below the belt attack on me I

Returning all your emails to you is a below the belt attack? Huh?

> shall be forced to return all EL's stuff to him and here by hand.I would
> appreciate any tech advice from other list members,TIA.Kill the
> president,matt T.

Spain in the arse.

[matt taylor]

SPAIN IN THE ARSE
"Terrorism is not only a group of commandos who act, but is a
project
that tries to root itself in society, and to combat it, it is also
necessary to struggle against the social, economical, political and
also
communication structures which support and nourish it" - Jaime
Mayor
Oreha, Spanish Minister of Internal Affairs.

When Oreha spoke at the European Conference on Terrorism in Madrid
in
January last year his government was already cracking down on
Spanish
citizens' civil liberties; long before September 11th and the
beginning
of an international 'war on terrorism'. In the past year alone,
belonging
to the wrong political party, supporting prisoners, teaching the
Basque
language, publishing books and records, editing a magazine, being in
a
band, running a radio station, or simply being a journalist has become
a
crime in Spain. There have been mass arrests with people taken to
isolation wards where they are often tortured then released a few
days
later without charge. This targeting of Basque political activists
has
now spread to anarchist and other radical movements, with raids and
arrests being part of a general clampdown.

   Euro nicked!
No surprises then to find that Spain is using its presidency of the
European Union to push forward radical proposals that would label
demonstrators at European summits 'terrorists'. The document, issued
last
month to the European Working Party on Terrorism, states that they
have
"noticed a gradual increase...in violence and criminal damage
(at
anti-capitalist protests) orchestrated by radical extremist groups,
clearly terrorising society." The proposals go on to state that this
'new
breed' of terrorist menace are "organisations taking advantage of
their
lawful status to aid and abet the achievement of terrorist groups'
aims."

Post September 11th, the European Union agreed new legislation for
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The
Spanish proposals go further, asking for a more proactive EU wide
database to keep an eye on protestors. They reckon that this
extension
"would provide a very helpful tool in preventing and, where
appropriate,
prosecuting violent urban youthful radicalism, which is 
increasingly
being used as a cat's-paw by terrorist groups in order to achieve
their
criminal aims."

But it's not just Spain that is widening the definition of terrorism;
we
in the UK are 'fortunate' enough to be protected by some of the
world's
toughest anti-terrorist legislation. Barrister Stephanie Harrison,
from
the Campaign Against Criminalising Communities reckons that the
Terrorist
Act 2000 (SchNEWS 268), alongside its even tougher little sister,
the
Anti Terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001 (see SchNews 331), are
not
only criminalising dissent amongst the locals, but are a direct attack
on
the rights of vulnerable groups - mainly immigrant communities.

Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, Leader of the Muslim Parliament of Great
Britain
told SchNEWS that the situation within the British Muslim and 
Arabic
community is becoming unbearable. "We are the target of this
legislation
- there is a witch hunt going on - a fishing expedition... Innocent
people
are being harassed, families are being disturbed, children
traumatised...
there is a climate of fear in our community". And it doesn't stop
there,
as new legislation allows instant internment, providing the police
with
powers to detain people indefinitely without trial. Often based on
the
most circumstantial of evidence, Asians and Muslims the length and
breath
of this fair and pleasant land are finding themselves being 
detained
under this new legislation. Dr Siddiqui's message is clear "The
whole
Muslim community is frightened, intimidated and traumatised; as a
result
the people are not getting involved in community activities, and
people
are asking 'is it worth it?'"

In January Yasadigimiz Vatan, a Turkish language socialist weekly
magazine had its last two issues confiscated by police who said it
was
"property for the use of terrorism." Vatan has been distributed
in the UK
for the past two years so what has changed? According to one of its
workers "The Terrorism Act 2000, which is not being used to
fight
terrorism but to fight democrats and prevent press freedom in this
country."

Estella Schmidt from the Kurdish National Congress (KNK) told us that
as
far as UK based Kurds are concerned it is more a case of harassment
than
actual detention. Demonstrators are constantly being filmed, and
follow
up calls from police to homes of Kurds is commonplace often late at
night
and unannounced."These people are not from this country, and
despite
protesting innocently, and making it quite clear that they are not
supporting terrorists, they are still harassed by police - it is
similar
to the way the Irish have been treated in the past."

As the Spanish example shows, it's not long before the 
authoritarian
finger starts pointing at anyone who dares to disagree. Raif, a
lawyer
from Coali

Italian Indymedia update.Boycott spaggetti!

[matt taylor]

THE ITALIAN JOB "In my opinion these raids were meant to intimidate
some of the only independent media in the country. Now that Berlusconi
has given more money to RAI, the Italian equivalent of the BBC, he has
direct control or influence over 90% of Italian print and radio media,
state owned or otherwise." - Indymedia spokesperson. On Wednesday
morning, the Carabinieri (Italian paramilitary police) raided three
social centres that were partly being used as offices for Indymedia. Two
attorneys from Genoa gave the order for the nation-wide operation in
which police seized computers, archives, and equipment as part of an
ongoing enquiry investigating the events of last summers anti G8 protest
in Genoa. The raid was meant to confiscate footage and info on the brutal
police raid of two buildings during the protests (see SchNEWS 314/315).
These were being used for accommodation, medical, media and legal
services by protestors and the raids received international condemnation.
Amnesty and the United Nations have each ordered independent enquiries
into police conduct. One of the social centres raided was the Cobas Trade
Union centre, which with over 10,000 members is the biggest of its kind
in Italy. During the raids police confiscated over 160 hours of original
video footage of the protests including film of the murder of Carlo
Gulliani by police and the school raid. Two days ago Itallian Defence
minister Skajola admitted that he did in fact give the order of 'shoot to
kill' if any sizeable number of people moved into the red zone during the
protests. A spokesperson from Indymedia told SchNEWS, "It's not
likely that they will use the stuff they've nicked from Indymedia to
properly investigate and try the police for murder and excessive
violence. We reckon they'll just use it to identify and arrest more
protestors...they already have loads of cctv footage of the protests, why
else would they need ours too?" Indymedia was established in Seattle
to cover the protests against the World Trade Organisation, and the idea
has now spread across the world. In the Berlusconi controlled media world
of Italy, Indymedia is one of the few independants - during the G8
demonstrations they were getting over one million hits a day. A
demonstration will take place at the Italian embassy in London on
Saturday. There will also be a demo in Rome on March, 16th.
http://italy.indymedia.org
Check out www.indymedia.org.uk for updates. 
CRAP ARREST OF THE WEEK For sitting down... At a protest against the arrival of the nuclear submarine H.M.S. Vanguard to Plymouth Davenport Docks, a 62 year old granny was nicked for sitting down outside the base. After being held for six hours she was released, but as part of her bail conditions she is now banned from using the Tor Point ferry which is her mode of transport to get to Plymouth for shopping and the bank. 

Pakistan peasants are revolting.

[matt taylor]

AVIN' A PEASANT TIME During the 1970's a number of peasant struggles 
started in Pakistan, with the most successful and militant land-grab taking 
place in Hashtnangar, an area close to the Pakistan-Afghan border. 
Organised by the Mazdoor Kissan Party (MKP), the peasants were able to 
liberate the area from feudal land-owners, who had always brutally 
oppressed the poor with the full backing of the state. Since those days, 
Hashtnagar remains a liberated area despite several attempts by the state 
to evict the peasants, with nearly 300 people losing their lives in 30 
years of conflict. Taking advantage of the "War-Against-Terrorism" 
hysteria, the Pakistani government is once again trying to take-over the 
lands of Hashtnagar. They also aim to retake Okkara, Khanewal, Sargodha and 
Pak-pattan in other parts of the country in order to reverse gains made by 
the peasant movement in Pakistan over the past 10 years.. On 22nd January, 
3,500 police armed with guns, tear-gas shells, armoured vehicles and jeeps 
attacked the village. Tractors were used to destroy peasant crops. MKP 
party activists and students surrounded the armoured vehicles to stop them 
firing into the crowd. Police attacked another village several kilometers 
away in the hope that they would have an easier time of it since the men of 
the village weren't around. The peasant women attacked the convoy and again 
the police had to retreat. The same night police arrested a peasant leader 
called Gulab Gul. In retaliation peasants attacked a police convoy, 
capturing some police officers, before going on to raid the police station 
where Gul was being held. Peasants then threatened to burn down the police 
station if their leader was not released! The entire area was surrounded by 
police arresting people who hadn't even participate in the fighting. 16 
arrests were made in total, 8 of which were of people so old they couldn't 
even walk properly without support. The situations is very tense and may 
erupt into full scale armed conflict at any time. www.ptb.be/international/ 

Plenty of room at the hotel Kalifornia.

[matt taylor]

We received word from Rob 'Ruckus' Middaugh, Anarchist Political Prisoner 
in the United States informing us that additional federal charges are going 
to placed against him. These charges are in addition to the previous 
charges relating from the Long Beach attacks by the police during a May Day 
march in 2001, where he was arrested and convicted to 3 years for assualt 
on a police officer. Apparently the FBI had an arrest warrent issued 
against Rob for an incident in Sacramento. He did not mention what that 
action was but what we do know is that the charges are the following: 
Forcibly assaulting a police officer (fedral charge), wearing a mask with 
intent to commit a crime (state charge), and weapons related charge (state 
charge). With these new charges, Middaugh could be facing 25 years to life 
due to what is known as the 3-strikes law in the state of California. Under 
this law, certain crimes are considered strikable offenses. When three or 
more of these crimes are committed by an individual that person can/will be 
sent to prison for 25 years to life. All charges that Robert Middaugh has 
received have been during political action. The first strike was during the 
protest against the Democratic National Convention where he was accused of 
being the leader of the Black Block. The second strike was during the Long 
Beach incident where he and 100 other anarchist were arrested during an 
attack by police on May Day. These new charges could add his third strike. 
No news has been received as to when his trial will happen but we will keep 
everyone informed as soon as we here. We encourage everyone to write to Rob 
and let him know he is supported You can write to Robert Middaugh at: 
Robert Middaugh T41137 PO Box 5000 Delano, CA 93216 For more information 
relating to Rob's case or the support for PP/POW's, Please write to: 
LA-ABCF PO BOX 3671 Anaheim, CA 92803 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

New List," how to get the boss class to fight itself"

[matt taylor]

This is a new unmoderated discussion list for activists and working
people who are interesting in talking about labor, class, and work in the
21st century. As many of us know from daily experience, the nature of
capitalism has dramatically changed from the last time a mass labor
movement existed to challenge it. We have also seen the tremendous gains
that the anti-capitalist movements have made in challenging and
discrediting globalization and other new capitalist schemes. Despite the
rhetoric about an alliance between Teamsters and Turtles, the techniques
and methods of the new direct action movements have been slow to
translate into the world of the workplace. Possible topics for discussion
on this list: * working with and/or subverting traditional unions * the
changing nature of capitalism * building solidarity networks *
anti-sexist and anti-racist organizing within our struggle * new methods
of organizing * workplace sabotage and subversion * using new forms of
direct action in the workplace * creative methods of promoting class war
* how to get the boss class to fight itself This list is for people who
want to think outside of the box and throw everything on the table. This
is not strictly an anarchist list--a multiplicity of views is encouraged.
This list is not moderated, but you have to be a member to post to it. To
subscribe:
http://flag.blackened.net/mailman/listinfo/labor21k


"...ironically, perhaps, the best organized dissenters in the world today are anarchists, who are busily undermining capitalism while the rest of the left is still trying to form committees." -- Jeremy Hardy, The Guardian (UK) 

Nestor Makhno,anarchist legend.

[matt taylor]

The Nestor Makhno Archive has undergone an extensive update with the
addition of many pages which previously were linked off-site together
with many new additions. There are now 47 on-site documents in 14
different languages including the new Anarchist FAQ section on the
Makhnovists. As always, additions in any language are gratefully received
and the URL is, as ever:
http://www.geocities.com/nestor_mcnab/makhno.htm
In solidarity, NMcN. 

"Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me is a usurper and a tyrant,I declare them my enemy."PJ Proudon.

"the Bakunin of Brockwell Park, the Kropotkin of Camberwell Green."

[matt taylor]

In Lambeth, it makes sense to be an anarchist
I have long suspected that any Brixton policeman must be an anarchist to 
survive. Now I know for sure. The commander of the Lambeth Metropolitan 
Police Division has admitted it.
Londoners will know Commander Brian Paddick. He is a metropolitan 
celebrity. He has pioneered tolerance of recreational drug use, from 
realism as much as from conviction. Openly gay, his patronage of the 
Urban75 agitprop website has generated a burst of chatline threads, most of 
them adulatory and unique in police communication. Mr Paddick is no Dixon 
of Dock Green.
But an anarchist? Can a policeman seriously proffer an absence of law as a 
basis for social order? His signature, "Brian: the Commander", is explicit. 
"The concept of Anarchism has always appealed to me,"...MORE
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=02/02/22/2170671

Re: Was Pearl Sacrificed by the Patriotic WSJ?

[John Young]

Declan:

>In other words, the WSJ did what everyone else would do. Doesn't seem
>like a big deal to me.

This is not what I've heard and read from a number of journalists, and 
the Journal's own reporters of the Reid story had qualms. As reported 
in the NY Times:

  Asked if there had been dissent from Mr. Cullison or Mr. Higgins, 
  the [WSJ spokesman] said: "There was discussion with the reporters 
  about this. No reporter would want to be in a position of freely handing 
  things over to the government. This was a national security issue, a 
  major issue, an are-lives-at-stake issue."

The last sentence is WSJ editorial-speak for self-importance, and
likely not shared by the two journalists who had to understand
the personal and professional consequences for them. To be sure
their protest may have been pro forma professional quisling, but
their risk in Central Asia was real.

So, no Declan, you are wrong in invoking the unwarranted
personal exculpation of "what everyone else would do." Though 
that invocation of crowd reveals a clue what you would do, have 
done, will do. 

On Pearl's Jewishness, that does seem to have been a reason
to kill him, and for the killers it is a political rationale. Whether 
that was the reason to kidnap him has not been demonstrated.

What is of interest is the way the personal tragedy is being used
to camouflage and direct public attention away from the political 
aspects of what was a political kidnapping and murder. As the
Journal would say, "this was a national security issue, a major 
issue, an are-lives-at-stake issue."

This personalization technique is traditionally used in such 
situations to make the perps appear demon for killing our boys
our women and children, as with the entire 911 affair and
subsequent greater savagery in Afghanistan. 

The sappy coverage of the Pearl killing by the Journal is hardly 
the quality the paper is known for, and appears to be a ploy to 
deflect attention from political ramifications of a scheme gone
awry, standard psyop when taking sides is the name of the 
game, not objective reporting. Standard exculpation of 
complicity. Standard demogoguery of the patriots when
bodes come home in bags.

Re: CDR: Re: [Reformatted] Eugene Leitl want to ban thoughtcrime,

[matt taylor]

 >>I have no problem with nutcases, as long as they're not disruptive. You're
being disruptive to this list.<<

My 1st and only proof of this being 2189K attachments from you in my inbox? 
Where are the disruption rules and where's your authority to enforce them 
without warning.What about Choate!?

 >>I don't want you instituionalized. I just want you to behave borderline
normally on this channel.<<

I promised to do that several times now.I will even keep my number of posts 
under Choates if you like.Have you sent some of your sludgemail to him?

 >>Yes, it's public, not your private property. So stop dumping your trash
here.<<

Where's the definition for trash? With the disruption statutes? I deny 
dumping trash anywhere.Where are the 24 8x10 color glossy photo's of this 
alleged cypherpunk restaurant  massacre?

 >>I try to track down and report spammers whenever it is possible. You're
fortunately not hard to track.<<

Dick tracy Uh? I'm not hard to track cos I'm not a spammer Dick.

 >>I don't give a damn about your death threats and profanity. Your ISP does:

http://www.nex.com.au/support/terms.htm

"The customer must not use their Internet access to annoy, harass or harm
other Internet customers.

The customer must not use their Internet access for any unlawful purpose
or in any unlawful manner."

Clear enough? Shall I pull up a number of your posts which are in
violation of these rules you accepted when you signed up with your ISP?<<

If you accuse someone of something the modern practise is to produce some 
evidence,yes.You began with the EL penalty phase in fast forward.Yes tell 
us what laws I've broken.You've broken the,"The customer must not use their 
Internet access to annoy, harass or harm
other Internet customers."one.I asked you not to write to me and you 
re-sent uncalled for and very large attachments.
I don't know if what you did is "unlawful".I'm seeking advice on that.I 
trust your ISP has similar rules? Pull up your dick.

 >>I had to change my filtering rules thrice to block you. This means you're
not interested in being minimally disruptive, but actually trying to get
past people's rules. This won't do.<<

I repeat,"I deny altering adress's to avoid filtering and I can prove 
it."Your starting to sound like the Red Queen.

 >>Yes, you're absolutely innocent. Matt Taylor, keep up polluting this list,
and I'll personally pull up the choicest of your fewmets, and forward them
to your ISP.<<

They might ask why you didn't say anything when they went up,compare them 
with some others and laugh,then ask you why your sending me large e-mails 
with attachments after being asked not to.I'm innocent till proven guilty.

 >>Who's thinking Matt Taylor contributes valuable material to this list? A
show of hands? Yohn Young, perhaps?<<

So after punishing me you now want retrospective approvals signed? How will 
the bona fides of the voters be checked?
What's the Quorum? Where's the definition of "valuable material" again.I 
have responded to every crit of every post I have made.I am seeking to 
build the depth of understanding of the "anarchy" part of crypto-anarchy.I 
don't want C/punks led up some libertarian cul de sac.WTF is wrong with that?

 >>At some point you were contributing at least 10 posts in my inbox.<<

Not intentionally or directly,move for dismissal.

 >>Returning all your emails to you is a below the belt attack? Huh?<<

With 2189k attachments in multiples yes.Do you deny doing that now? (lets 
not forget CoinTelPro's are about.)
I am a relative newbie so I am being attacked,until I figure out a 
workaround I might have to repost the bounced posts.
Its coming winter so I'll have more time soon,real soon.

Re: Was Pearl Sacrificed by the Patriotic WSJ?

[Declan McCullagh]

On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 08:36:13AM -0800, John Young wrote:
> So, no Declan, you are wrong in invoking the unwarranted
> personal exculpation of "what everyone else would do." Though 
> that invocation of crowd reveals a clue what you would do, have 
> done, will do. 

I'm not saying that I would do it. But I have spent the better part of
the last decade in the American political journalism community, and I
feel entirely comfortable with my claim that pretty much every
mainstream news organization would do the same. This is not a decision
that would be made by an individual reporter in the field, but by
editors and higher back home.

Your rebuttal was a wishy-washy quote in a news article. Naturally
mainstream journalists will say such things in an attempt to preserve
the veil of journalistic objectivity and impartiality. It doesn't
mean we have to believe them. You know better than that.

> What is of interest is the way the personal tragedy is being used
> to camouflage and direct public attention away from the political 
> aspects of what was a political kidnapping and murder. As the
> Journal would say, "this was a national security issue, a major 
> issue, an are-lives-at-stake issue."

Agreed.

-Declan

Re: [Reformatted] Eugene Leitl want to ban thoughtcrime,

[Declan McCullagh]

On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 03:57:21AM +1100, matt taylor wrote:
> With 2189k attachments in multiples yes.Do you deny doing that now? (lets 
> not forget CoinTelPro's are about.)
> I am a relative newbie so I am being attacked,until I figure out a 
> workaround I might have to repost the bounced posts.
> Its coming winter so I'll have more time soon,real soon.

This is the last mattd post I'll see for a while, I expect, since I've
updated my kill.rc file. But the prospect of a cypherpunks subscriber
threatening to send 2 MB attachments to the list is not a pleasant one.

(I suspect that majordomo will refuse to send anything above its default
setting, which I'm not going to name since it'll encourage the mattd troll
to hit that size and nothing above. But Still.)

-Declan

Re: Jail Cell Cipher (modified RC4)

[Jeremy Lennert]

> Unfortunately it has a rather damning effect on the cipher.
> First in the key
> scheduling there is a distinct possibility of keys that are
> impossible. It
> assumes that all K[i] are generators mod 37, so using a key
> where the offset
> is 0 will result in an infinite loop in the key scheduling, this is
> obviously a bad design decision. Second the distinguisher
> from random for
> such a small RC4 state would require a relatively small known
> plaintext. In
> fact at that size I think there are better attacks against it than the
> distinguishers known for full sized RC4. I believe it would
> be achievable to
> actually determine that complete state, although it would take more
> significant amounts of work than would be applied to most
> inmate mail (an
> encrypted message would probably be simply discarded and
> never delivered).

The specification for the key requires all key values to be nonzero.  From
the web site:

"an array of key values K, where each value is a nonzero alphabetical
character or its numerical equivalent"

However, there was an error in the source code that allowed zeroes in the
key.  This has been corrected.  Any zeroes in the key definition now cause
the program to abort with an "invalid character" error message.


Regarding the distinguisher, I don't think I understand how distinguishing
the keystream from random amounts to an attack that will recover the
internal state.  Could you offer further clarification on that?

Incidentally, for paper-and-pencil applications, I'm assuming that the
message length will not exceed about 100 characters.

> I don't think this reduced version of RC4 would be very suitable even
> assuming a perfect delivery mechanism. I've actually
> considered a similar
> question before
> (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&th=f0d53f0eb5d7c011&see
> km=9s2akd%24qk
> 4%241%40nntp9.atl.mindspring.net&frame=off), I never managed to come up
with
> anything really suitable. I did find a solution where the inmate is given
a
> computer and a compiler, use RC5 to key itself (very similar to Blowfish),
a
> 128-bit block, and 20 rounds. Should withstand pretty much any analysis
work
> (except "throw it in the trash" cryptanalysis). This suffers from being
> difficult to calculate with a pencil and paper, and so doesn't really fit
> the requirement for a jail cell cipher.
>
> Using full RC4 is actually doable. Take a sheet (or multiple sheets) of
> paper, create 3 sets of 0,...,255 numbers. on a large table in front of
you
> (or in a controlled grid) place the first 0...255 set in order, that's
your
> state array, the other two sets are for your i and j values. If a guard is
> approaching and the data must be destroyed simply blow very hard and all
the
> numbers are scrambled. Of course you will probably be adding and
subtracting
> instead of performing XOR. This is obviously pain-staking, and slow, but
it
> will offer the same security as a computer running the RC4 algorithm.
>Joe

The problem with using full RC4 is not in the actual keystream generation,
but in running the key-scheduling algorithm.  Even if we only ran the KSA
for one round through the permutation table, estimated time is about 50
minutes (not necessarily impractical, but making many rounds to improve
security or repeated trials to improve accuracy very difficult) and the
chances of performing that entire round without error for my current best
estimations of accuracy are about 1 in 150,000.

For the modified RC4, accuracy still isn't great, but it is good enough that
careful error-checking may leave the algorithm feasible in terms of both
time and accuracy.

Grace & Peace,
Jeremy

Re: Mostly untraceable ordering of books by mail

[Declan McCullagh]

I found the article I wrote on the subject from a year ago. It's here:
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42408,00.html

-Declan


On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 01:28:44AM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 11:55:49AM +0800, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote:
> > I believe that there exists, or existed, a debit card on the prepaid
> > phone card model. Show up at a retail "card store," give them cash and
> > get a debit card with a "credit limit" equal to the value of the card.
> > The card behaves like a credit card for retail purchase purposes, but
> > doesn't have your name on it or associated with it in any database.
> > Anybody know if this is still being offered?
> 
> [catching up]
> 
> You  may be thinking of the Amex/711 stored value card. Check wired.com
> archives for background. I think it is no longer being offered.
> 
> -Declan

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Re: Was Pearl Sacrificed by the Patriotic WSJ?

[CDR Anonymizer]

At 01:19 AM 2/23/02, you wrote:
>It is true that there has been in the past a nexus between the CIA and
>large American media outlets. But it is also true that most
>publications would likely to what the WSJ did (share PC contents with
>the Feds) if the situtation were the same.
>
>In other words, the WSJ did what everyone else would do. Doesn't seem
>like a big deal to me.


If the press is known to serve as a contracted or volunteering conduit for 
its home country intelligence agencies, then the target country will treat 
the press of the adversary country as it would intelligence agents of that 
country. It will kidnap them, disappear them, publicly murder them, convict 
them, imprison them, etc.

That means that the press will be endangered, and it means that there will 
be less press coverage inside the target country by the press on "our" 
side. The "other" press can be dismissed as propagandists, and their 
facilities can be jammed, cluster bombed, etc. "Our" defense department 
wins the information battle, given the absence of any contrary information. 
As if it were needed, "our" press further assists this by 
screening/censoring itself in what it will let us see (a la bin Laden tapes).

That means that we will hear what the defense department releases to the 
press. You can debate whether or not the current claims to not do 
disinformation as earlier floated, is disinformation, itself.

The press, and the information consumer, loses. For nation-states with laws 
or traditions along the lines of the US first amendment that make frontal 
legal attacks on information gathering and dissemination problematic, this 
is a productive way to side step those complicating issues and enlist your 
adversary in the violent distruction of the information flow by killing 
"our" press. Our adversaries kill and chill "our" press on "our" behalf, 
reducing the story sources to "our" defense department. It's the practical 
application of game theory.

It doesn't really matter whether or not the press is acting as a surrogate 
intel agency for its country; it is sufficient that the target country 
suspect that it is. That is sufficient reason for the intel agencies to 
disavow any prohibition of that usage of the press. Wherever a person in 
the press gets dangerous, a little disinformation from an intel agency can 
paint a target on him and his location (he does have to transmit content, 
which broadcasts his coordinates to sigint). Poof - end of story, and the 
blood is on the hands of the evil enemy while "our" intel agency has 
plausible deniability.

"our" and "other" vary as the sides shift (see eastasian-eurasian, 
mujahadeen-taliban, evil empire-russia, etc.)

One wonders how deeply the WSJ thought through this.

RE: When Nannies Rule the Net (kinda long, sorry) (fwd)

[Jonathan Wienke]

-Original Message-
From: Gary Lawrence Murphy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:53 AM
To: Declan McCullagh
Cc: Eugene Leitl; fork; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: When Nannies Rule the Net (kinda long, sorry) (fwd)


> "D" == Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

D> This conversation has become tiresome.
D> At 11:49 AM 2/20/2002 -0500, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote:
>> So, to summarize then, you have _no_ objections to my secretly
>> rifling through my neighbour's post _providing_ I then
>> hand-deliver his post for free?

D> If the neighbor agreed to it, I have no objection. 

Ok.  I know where you stand.  Please stand far from my mail.

"Mr Jones, would you like me to fetch your mail for you?"
"Oh, yes please"

and that gives me license to secretly open, inspect and reseal it?

I'm glad I don't live you your country; in mine, that is illegal. My
point is that this same scenario be illegal with respect to email too.

D> I strongly suspect what canada.com does is permitted by their
D> TOS. 

You find it, and I will shut TF up:

Canada.com privacy policy: http://www.canada.com/aboutus/privacypolicy.html

   "The canada.com Network collects personally identifying
   information about you only when you specifically and
   knowingly provide it to us."

   ... and implicitly, using this service satisfies this
   condition?  

Canada.com TOS: http://www.canada.com/aboutus/termsofservice.html

D> You have not shown otherwise. If you don't like it, get a
D> real account somewhere else.

This is not the point, now, is it.  I have, I believe, provided you
with the bits; you now have the TOS and Privacy Policy, and I have
read them both but can find no statement that says "we reserve the
right to read your emails without your knowledge and to take action
based on the contents of your emails.  we reserve the right to censor
your emails should someone try to send you materials _we_ decide are
unacceptable."

You find those two statements, or statements to that effect, and I
will be quite happy to admit I have no case.  As I stated before, my
_real_ mail host did try these filters, and when I asked for them to
be removed, they did so cheerfully and within an hour.  Canada.com has
not responded to my emails, and there is no profile option to opt
out of this censorship service, nor any mention that this censorship
even occurs.

We come down to a question that arose early in the 90's: Is disrupting
internet a crime?  In 1988 it was not, but by 1996 it was a serious
crime because people came to rely on Internet for life-critical
services.  My point is that _email_ can be at least as and perhaps
more life-critical than snail-mail, and should be granted the same
basic protections.

If Mr Jones _requests_ that I scrap any letters from his sister, then
that is _his_ decision, not mine.

-- 
Gary Lawrence Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> TeleDynamics Communications Inc
Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com
"Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)

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>From section 5 of canada.com's TOS:

You agree to not use the Service to upload, post, e-mail or otherwise transmit any 
Content that :

(a) is unlawful, defamatory, obscene, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or 
otherwise objectionable; 
(b) you do not have a right to transmit under any law or under contractual or 
fiduciary relationships (such as inside information, proprietary and confidential 
information ); 
(c) infringes any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary 
rights ("Rights") of any party; or 
(d) interferes with or disrupts the Service or servers or networks connected to the 
Service

canada.com and its designees shall have the right to remove any Content that violates 
the TOS or is otherwise objectionable. You agree that you must evaluate, and bear all 
risks associated with, the use of any Content, including any reliance on the accuracy, 
completeness, or usefulness of such Content..

You acknowledge and agree that canada.com may preserve Content and may also disclose 
Content if required to do so by law or in the good faith belief that such preservation 
or disclosure is reasonably necessary to: (a) comply with legal process; (b) enforce 
these Terms of Service; (c) respond to claims that any Content violates the rights of 
third-parties; or (d) protect the rights, property, or personal safety of canada.com, 
its users and the public.

When you agree to the TOS, you are agreeing to allow canada.com to examine your e-mail 
and stuff you post or otherwise transmit through their service. None of the foregoing 
would be possible if they could not examine the data you send through their service. 
These TOS are fairly industry-standard. If you want privacy, use encryption. 
Otherwise, don't foam at the mouth when canada.com doe

Youth in Asia

[matt taylor]

Youth In Asia Society: At our last monthly meeting, we discussed all of the 
reasons there are not to KILL THE PRESIDENT. We think it is our duty to 
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PRESIDENT! We don't ask to be thanked for advising people not to KILL THE 
PRESIDENT! Nor do we expect to be thanked for advising people not to run 
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Upcoming service launch (was :Re: Mostly untraceable ordering of books by mail)

[Steve Schear]

I'm hoping to launch an pseudo-anon online purchasing service in 
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Re: Was Pearl Sacrificed by the Patriotic WSJ?

[John Young]

For comprehensive listing of press coverage of Daniel Pearl 
after his 23 January kidnapping by the South Asian Journalists 
Association (though little about the period before  the kidnapping):

  http://www.saja.org/pearl.html

Linked from the SAJA site, a February 2, 2002, interview of 
ex-CIA officer Robert Baer on global intelligence agencies' 
use of journalists: "WNYC On the Media: Ex-CIA agent says
Pearl is no spy:"

  http://www.wnyc.org/new/talk/onthemedia/transcripts_020202_spy.html

>From Editor and Publisher, February 8, 2002:

  Back at The Wall Street Journal, Byron Calame, a deputy 
  managing editor, told E&P that many in the newsroom do not
  know exactly what is happening with the Pearl case because 
  such information is being kept under tight control.

>From New York Observer, February [?], 2002:

  This internal ignorance is partially due to the WSJs own 
  strategy of keeping any company decisions related to Mr.
  Pearl very close to the vest. To date, there have been no 
  meetings with reporters in the New York offices to talk 
  about Mr. Pearl, no group discussions to air things out. 
  The last official memo sent was on Friday, Feb. 8, by 
  Journal managing editor Paul Steiger and Dow Jones 
  chief executive Peter Kann. The company has continued 
  to hold its cards close: It has limited access to Mr. Steiger
  who is slated to accept an award on Thursday, Feb. 21, 
  for "Editor of the Year" by the National Press Foundation 
  in Washington, D.C.

February 21 is the date of news release of the Pearl killing 
tape. Don't know if Steiger got his award.

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Re: [Reformatted] Eugene Leitl want to ban thoughtcrime,

[jamesd]

--
On 23 Feb 2002, at 12:33, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> This is the last mattd post I'll see for a while, I expect, 
> since I've updated my kill.rc file. But the prospect of a 
> cypherpunks subscriber threatening to send 2 MB attachments 
> to the list is not a pleasant one.

I like my enemies in front of me, rather than behind me.

For a long time people hostile to the aims of this list have 
been making war on it, and harassing its subscribers, while
loudly announcing they are on our side.

It is against our principles for their to be any collective 
mechanism for defining them as enemies, but if they can be 
persuaded to define themselves as enemies, all the better. 

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RE: When Nannies Rule the Net (kinda long, sorry) (fwd)

[georgemw]

On 23 Feb 2002, at 9:17, Jonathan Wienke wrote:


> This is not the point, now, is it.  I have, I believe, provided you
> with the bits; you now have the TOS and Privacy Policy, and I have
> read them both but can find no statement that says "we reserve the
> right to read your emails without your knowledge and to take action
> based on the contents of your emails.  we reserve the right to censor
> your emails should someone try to send you materials _we_ decide are
> unacceptable."
> 

I'm not agreeing with anyone here, but you should be aware that
nobody nobody actually does what your describing.  What
they do is,  they subscribe to some service that provides them
with a list of known spammers, and delete all mail from those
sources.  Possibly they also delete all mail with forged return
addresses.  Actually reading the mail and making content-based
filtering decisions would be absurdly expensive, particularly for
a free service.

George  

Re: Was Pearl Sacrificed by the Patriotic WSJ?

[John Young]

The NY Times followup of the WSJ's Richard Reid report noted that
the computer on which Reid's travel account was found contained
some 1500 files, and that other stories were likely to come from
those files. Recall that some computer files had been decrypted 
and some not yet.

Though not reported, I assume that the WSJ was being given
decryptions selectively if the decrypt was being done by the
USG or USG contractors. And like most of relying on cryptographers,
reporters and translators having to trust the information. 
(The WSJ never disclosed who was doing the decrypts.) 
What else was being found in the decrypts other than what 
the Journal was given and what was reported of that in its 
one story is unknown.

However, there's a good chance that Pearl was following up
on some of that privileged information in his Reid investigation,
and some of that may have dealt with Pakistan's intelligence
services. Or the PK intel boyos suspected that.

And whoever once owned the computer, or those who worried
about what was in its files, could badly have wanted to know
what was being learned from decrypts. Or if nothing else would
like to know if the WSJ story was a rabbit set out to snare
wolves.

A few days after the WSJ Reid story was published about the
encrypted files I wrote one of the reporters to inquire about the 
type of encryption used and who was doing the decrypts. He 
answered quickly that he was in transit but would be pleased 
to answer questions once stationary. Nothing has been heard 
from him since then, and Pearl's kidnapping a few days later 
could have killed any prospect of getting answers, what with 
WSJ HQ (and who knows who else) putting a lock on 
information.

Finally, the two reporters of the January 16 Reid story, Alan
Cullison and Andrew Higgins, seem to have disappeared, 
by whom who knows. And whither the balance of those 
1500 files? And were they real or phony?

Re: [Reformatted] Eugene Leitl want to ban thoughtcrime,

[matt taylor]

Declan McCatohead scribbled.

 >>This is the last mattd post I'll see for a while, I expect, since I've 
updated my kill.rc file. But the prospect of a cypherpunks subscriber<<

Lucky I'm not one of those,just a humble contributor.

  >>threatening to send 2 MB attachments to the list is not a pleasant one. 
(I suspect that majordomo will refuse to send anything above its default 
setting, which I'm not going to name since it'll encourage the mattd troll<<

If I'm a troll shouldn't I simply be ignored? I'd actually rather be one 
than an orifice for the CATO institute.

  to hit that size and nothing above. But Still.) -Declan << The shill from 
CATO prime.

So If I get anymore I should play with the size? Thanks declan,thanks a 
hell of a lot.
How many dead reporters with names beginning with 'D' do we need?

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Re: Pentagon Readies Efforts to Sway Sentiment Abroad (fwd)

[Faustine]

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Aimee and Jim wrote:

> Faustine isn't coy, she's humble.
>>And you're easily fooled.

Huh? Where's the con? It really depends on what you mean by "humble".  Let's
see: I have an IQ of 166 (Cattell); which puts me in the 99.7 percentile of the
population. However, the Triple Nine Society--representing those testing at or
above the 99.9 th percentile--accepts a GRE Analytical score of 760. 
I scored a 780. 

So in that respect? Not humble, never pretended to be. 

On the other hand, when you happen to be working with a true mathematical genius
who hands you several pages of analytic work, then calls you back ten minutes
later with an impatient "Why aren't you done yet?" because he does all the
calculations instantly and entirely in his head and you're not comfortable in
your accuracy without a calculator...now that's humbling.  

Or:  humility is relative.

I don't care who you are or what you do, there's always someone 1) smarter who
2) knows more and 3) has done more than you. The trick is to find them and
learn from them. Why bristle up and get a chip on your shoulder when you could
be improving your own understanding and ability instead? If you actually want
to DO something in this world (as opposed to sitting around feeling smug), you
just can't afford to be arrogant and complacent.  Though it's true that for
every problem, there's a dimininshing return on investing time in reading the
works of others, why reinvent the wheel? I can assure you that kind
of intellectual vanity is the fast track to making a grade-A ass of yourself. I
saw it happen once, pretty gruesome...the ninny sure had it coming though. 

Without a broad and deep reserve of knowledge to draw on, you're lost.  I
believe in adding to mine wherever and whenever I can. Having a self-confessed
big head doesn't have to keep you from being able to accept a good 
old-fashioned no-rose-glasses view of your place in reality. 

And as far as I'm concerned, nobody ever did anything worthwhile taking it easy
and patting himself on the back. Which is one of the reasons why  I think
high IQ societies are a pointless waste of time. Ugh, boring!

As I've said, if you have a superior intelligence and aren't doing anything
with it--that is, if you're content to spend all your time on the kinds of
pursuits it only takes a person of average intelligence to do or appreciate--
you're not really that much better off than if you actually were average.
Which is fine, as far as it goes: after all, there's no shortage of average
people to pal around with.  I just can't see any reason in this world why I
shouldn't hold myself and the people I respect to a higher standard. 

Big head and all. ;)


~Faustine.




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He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from
oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that
will reach to himself.

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