Stus-List C&C 37+ window replacement

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Hi All,

I'm in discussion with the yard to replace the fixed windows on my 
37/40+ this spring. They barely leak, but there are vertical splits on 
both sides of the forward windows and in big downpours do leak. I 
currently have blue tape on them to stop the leaks when I'm not around. 
I want them replaced and looking sharp before the wife picks out new 
upholstery for the interior.


So far I'm looking at having them use 3M 4991 VHB tape and Dow 795 
caulking. For those that have this done, any tips I should pass on to 
the folks doing the work.


Also what was used for the windows, "cast" plexiglass? and what 
thickness? I've read 3/8 in posts, but I've been told 1/4" would work 
better due to the curvature of the adhesion area.


Thanks,
Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C&C 37/40+ "The Edge"
Surf City, NC



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Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ and XL and 37R Factory Invoices and Pricing (1988 & 1989)

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Ken,

That is cool that you have this info. Do you have the invoice for my 
1989 37/40+ #30? I would love to see a scan of what you have.


Thanks,
Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C&C37/40+ "The Edge"
ZCC37030A989
Surf City, NC


On 2/20/2018 6:42 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List wrote:

A few more data points for you Paul,

I have the Factory Invoices for 16 of the C&C 37+ and XL showing the 
price paid by the respective Dealers when they were sold new in 1988 
and 1989.  These are priced in US Dollars..


The average Factory (not Retail) selling price to the Dealer of these 
16 boats is *US $105,881.00.*  Add perhaps 20% for Dealer markup.


I have more invoices for 10 C&C 37+ and XLsold in Canadian dollars in 
the same time period.  The average is *$140,000.00 (Can $). Add 
perhaps 20% for Dealer markup. *


I also have the Factory Invoices for 9 of the C&C 37R showing the 
price paid by the respective Dealers in 1989 and 1989.  These are 
priced in US Dollars.


The average Factory (not Retail) selling price to the Dealer of these 
9 boat is*US $106,494.36.*Add perhaps 20% for Dealer markup.


I have more invoices for 4C&C 37Rsold in Canadian dollars in the same 
time period.  The average is*$140,305.00 (Can $).Add perhaps 20% for 
Dealer markup.*

*
*
*I have no record of what was actually charged to the purchaser except 
in one case where the boat was sold to an owner in Bermuda, directly 
by the Factory it appears.  He didn't pay much more than a Dealer 
would have.*

*
*
*Have fun with these numbers.*
*
*
*
Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia

https://c-c-37-40.blogspot.ca/p/salazar.html 



*

On 20 February 2018 at 18:52, Dreuge via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Ok, I went ahead and ordered an Abstract of Title from the USCG,
and it arrived today.

From what I see, there was Preferred Mortgage taken out in 1981
for $182,408.40.

It is not totally clear to me. This seems high.  Maybe it included
extras and/or assumed interest.  Playing around with a mortgage
calculator, I see that a $100k mortgage at 9% interest for 15
years gives a total cost of $182,568.   But in 1981, the home
mortgage rates where around 15%.  Working backwards from a total
cost of $182k at 15% interest gives a mortgage amount of $73,000.
  Assuming that the original owners provided 20-25% down payment
would give an estimated sale price of  $91k - $97k.   Same ball
park as what Ed noted.  The higher price may seem more
reasonable.  A search on Google shows a listing for a 1981 LF38
for $89k and a listing of a 1983 for $110k in the Sep 1984 issue
of Yachting magazine.



Here is a summary of the USCG Abstract of Title-


=
This vessel was built at Middletown, Rhode Island in 1981 of
Fiberglass
by C&C Yacths, Inc. for Kiki Toro, Inc. as appears by Certificate of
Theodore A. Grant, Master Carpenter for C&C Yachts, Inc. Builder




GRANTORGRANTEEKindDate Consideration

-

Kiki Toro, Incbill of sale3-23-81$1 and og and vc

All

Horizon Creditcorppref. mort.6-11-81$182,408.40 & interest
and pomc

All3-23-96Same as total amount



===




-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

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Re: Stus-List Free Sails for C&C 37+

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Ron,

Any chance Bacon would pack/ship & bill me to have them sent to NC?

Thanks,
Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C&C37+ "The Edge"
Surf City, NC


On 6/19/2018 1:49 PM, Ron Ricci via CnC-List wrote:


I have two jibs that I don’t use and will give them to anyone willing 
to pick them up in Annapolis, MD.  Below are links to photos and specs 
for each sail.


·98% Kevlar Jib - https://1drv.ms/f/s!AhpB-lul9d5YrkeG82Ht0IpjLOc5 



oLuff = 51'-5"

oFoot = 15'-8"

oLeach = 49'

·155% Light Kevlar Genoa - 
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AhpB-lul9d5YrkZsSamLMQtUGi1y 



oLuff = 52'

oFoot = 24'-9"

oLeach = 50'-6"

I took these sails to Bacon Sails last March and after several 
inquiries they finally said the sails had no value because supposedly 
they were de-laminating.  When I left the sails off, the preliminary 
inspection did not show any delamination nor did I see any when the 
photos were taken.  It is not practical for me to pick up the sails 
and it would be a shame to dispose of them.  I’d feel much better if 
someone could put them to good use (or at least store them in their 
attic).


Please contact me off line ASAP if you are interested.  I will make 
arrangements so you can pick up one or both.


Thanks,

/Ron/

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C&C 37+

Bristol, RI

ron.ri...@1968.usna.com 



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Stus-List VHB tape adhesion

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Hi All,

I'm having the fixed windows replaced on my C&C 37/40+. I had fiberglass 
work done to clean up the window opening on the deck before putting the 
new windows on.
I bought the windows from South Shore and am having them installed with 
3M VHB tape, then Dow 795 caulking.
The VHS tape adheres great to the windows, but not so well to the deck. 
There is 2 part epoxy primer on the window openings and it has been 
properly cleaned. A test area has been sanded and the tape doesn't 
appear to stick there much better. There is plenty of heat here in the 
North Carolina, so that is not the problem.


Has anyone else had this issue of the tape not sticking well to the deck 
and possibly have suggestions that I can pass to the yard?


Thanks,
Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C&C 37/40+ "The Edge"
Surf City, NC
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Re: Stus-List Hydraulic auto-pilot

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Charlie,

I can't feel any friction when the AH is disabled on my below deck 
RayMarine hydraulic. I wouldn't hesitate to go to it. Much less than the 
wheel pilot on the the 35. You are welcome to hop on and try it out 
while we're in your neck of the woods.


Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C&C37/40+ "The Edge"
Surf City, NC


On 7/8/2018 8:55 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:

My type 1 RAM adds no noticeable friction.

Joel

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:51 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Charlie,

There’s actually more friction with the wheel pilot versus the
hydraulic.

All the best,

Edd

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Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, New York
www.StarshipSailing.com 
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914.774.9767   | Mobile
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Sent via iPhone X
iPhone. iTypos. iApologize


On Jul 8, 2018, at 8:15 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

My Raymarine wheel pilot has given up the ghost and I am
considering a below deck hydraulic replacement. The cost is
reasonable since most of my Raymarine stuff will be used by the
hydraulic unit.

My concern is how responsive (or not!) the wheel will be when the
pilot is disengaged. With the wheel pilot, there was little
difference.

I have steered a boat with hydraulic steering once (a Whitby 42)
whose entire steering (auto or not) was hydraulic. The response of
that system was so bad I swore I would never have anything to do
with another hydraulic unit.

Of course, when not engaged I understand that the pilot would not
be steering the boat--OTOH, it is still connected in some manner.

Since I mostly PHRF race the boat, I need to have the wheel/rudder
move without additional resistance from the auto-pilot.

Is this something I should be concerned about or is the wheel
'free' when the auto-pilot is not engaged?

Thanks,

Charlie Nelson
1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
Water Phantom





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Re: Stus-List little fixes on the C&C 30 MKII

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Howdy John,

The wife and I are coming up to Oriental this weekend to check on our 
window project. Where do you keep Halcyon? Maybe we can get together 
check out each other's C&C.


Did Mark W. do your Staypack/tide tacks quote. I'd like to do that on 
our boat, however I need to get past this windows project first. It's 
killing me!


Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C&C37/40+ "The Edge"
Surf City, NC
910-620-8353

On 7/27/2018 5:27 PM, John Conklin via CnC-List wrote:


Maurice,

Congrats, ! I too have a new 1982 😊   37FT  Standard.  Same here and 
same few minor issues! I ave done a lot of Sailing on OPB larger boats 
and I have to say just as you mention She sail like a dream! The 
Hunters and Catalinas most newbies go for just don’t compare the this 
oldie but goodie! I went out on my friends Beneteau Oceanis   38 last 
week and struggled with the wheel in just 12-15 knots of breeze! 
Sloppy, weather helm, and lack of can I say Lightness?   I had 18 
knots with Halcyon and could let go the wheel and watch her track  
upwind.


Similar issues. -  I think its just the battery on my force 10 But 
damned if I can find out where it is located?  The Lighter thing is 
working well so far


I have rule 1000 with working float switch, constant 1-2” inched of 
water in bilge but I think it comes down the mast ? I hold flot up for 
20 seconds before taking off and all good to g.o Would like to track 
down source but not bothering anything.   Little darker color at times 
and slight smell of diesel so I do plan to investigate at some point.


I Do need to add a second Bilge for safety  but pretty good handle on 
what to do there after this last week of posts !


Need 1 lower Spreader or rebuild as end is badly corroded. Called 
South Shore and they didn’t have a clew ? Said maybe they could get 1 
made ?


I am Here at boat this weekend  in Oriental NC flipped on the fridge 
and the A/C  and headed out to see the Local Doyle Sailmaker. I got  a 
quote for the Staypack  Sail system. Whole system rigged and installed 
 about $1300 and Tide Tracks also adds another  $1300   But I will be 
soloing and short handed a lot, and its so smooth!  so I feel this is 
a must for this slightly older and approaching retirement, gonna pack 
it in early dude,  well 6-years to go MAX ! 😊   This is like doing a 
kitchen or Master bath  in the house some Investments you recoup more 
on the resale than others. So I am going to suck it up and Bite the 
Bullet.  Open to comments on price this is my local sailmaker guy so I 
am a fan of keeping it local


Happy Sailing !!

John Conklin

S/V Halcyon


*From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Maurice 
Poulin via CnC-List 

*Sent:* Friday, July 27, 2018 3:06:56 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* mp...@aol.com
*Subject:* Stus-List little fixes on the C&C 30 MKII
Hello all,

First season with new to us C&C MKII and so far so good!  What a great 
boat and still far from having discovered everything about it. Did 
find out that it is wicked fast, I am a novice sailor at best and 
these days we are in the frontrunners at every Wednesday night club 
races!  Anyways, I am slowly compiling a to-do list for the fall and 
spring off seasons and seeking your valuable knowledge on little fixes.


1) The electrical panel on the boat has tank level monitors for fresh 
and waste tank but these do not work, is this something that can be 
fixed?  I assume there must be some type of sender unit on the tanks 
but before I tear everything apart, I am curious to see if you have 
run into this issue.


2) The propane stove (force ten) has a non fonctional electronic 
ignitor that would nice to replace or update, if anyone has insight on 
this would be grateful to hear about it.


Little things that can add convenience is always nice!

Cheers and happy sailing,

Maurice Poulin
Monoloy, Ottawa
CNC 30 MKII


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Re: Stus-List Storm Florence

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

This one is not going to be good. The eye is projected to come inland 10 
miles south of our house (living on an island is great 11 months out of 
the year). We boarded up today and I told the wife if there is anything 
you want to see again, pack it up. We're heading up to Washington NC 
tomorrow to anchor the boat out. We're setting the 35lb CQR with 150' 
chain and snubber and a 50 lb danforth in the Pamlico River in 12 feet 
of water.


Most NC storms do a late track to the north which would impact the boat 
as much as the house. Hopefully, this will stay the course and spare the 
boat (priorities!).


Arrrgh,
Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C&C37/40+ "The Edge" #30
Surf City, NC




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Re: Stus-List Storm Florence

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Hey Jim,

Good to hear Edge #1 is ready as well!

I'm anchoring out in Blounts Bay. I suspect I'll be the only one there 
since there isn't a lot of wind protection. Most boats in Broad Creek 
will anchor 100 yards from the docks in the creek. I did it once on the 
35MkII and ended up with a bent rudder. Not enough water in the creek 
when the wind shifts. You also need to watch for boats that throw out a 
lunch hook.


Good luck to you, Rick, & Tex.

Mark



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Re: Stus-List Rob - C&C long time question

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

1975 C&C 27 'Twain' for 12 years
1974 C&C 35 MkII 'The Edge' for 25 years
1989 C&C 37/40+ 'The Edge' for 1 1/2 years and current boat

BTW, 'The Edge' survived Florence just fine. She drug about half a mile 
in the Pamlico river, but never ventured into shallow water. Water 
entered though the exhaust and into the M35 cylinders. Glad I left a 
sail inside so I could sail back to the slip. Pulled the glow plugs, got 
the water out and after a couple of oil/filter changes is running fine.


Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C&C37/40+ "The Edge"
Surf City, NC


On 9/27/2018 9:30 AM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List wrote:


We’ve had Perception C&C 33-II for 18 years now more to come! Had a 
C&C 27-III for 10 years before that. Only looked at C&C’s when we were 
moving up …..


*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List

*Sent:* Thursday, September 27, 2018 8:51 AM
*To:* C&CList mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
*Cc:* Jack Fitzgerald >

*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Rob - C&C long time question

Hello Al,

I have a question for the list.

How many of you have owned your current C&C yacht for 5 years or longer.

FYI - we have owned Honey since October 1976 and are currently the 
second owners.



Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald,

HONEY - US12788

1974 C&C 39 TM

Savannah, GA 31410 USA

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On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:53 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Question for Rob:

At the time, was the fact that C&Cs seem to be owned far longer
than most boats ever discussed ? Was this considered a good or bad
thing?

We have owned Coquina since 1977 and she is – knock on FRP – on
track to be sailed by the third generation. I have sailed her
since I was 12.

I recall a frustrated C&C broker telling me “No one trades up.
Catalina owners buy boats every 5 years and you all keep them for
decades!”

Joe

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

BTW – thread creep – Having a C&C 35 in the early or mid 70s was
like having a Ferrari when everyone else had a golf cart. We
bought one because someone else had one on the river and that boat
passed the rest of us like we were aground J

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Re: Stus-List Rob - Edge: survival

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Richard,

I anchored her out on Tuesday, 9/11. I was the only boat there at the 
time. I've anchored my 35mk2 in that location many times. I like it 
because no one else anchors there and there is enough deep water that if 
it blows out I don't pound the bottom.


Two other boats later anchored out with me, a Catalina 25 and a Nonsuch. 
Both of them blew on shore. The Catalina was retrieved before the waters 
dropped and was re-anchored. No such luck for the Nonsuch (see pic).


I put out a delta 35lb on 200 ft or rode with new chafe guard. I put out 
a 35lb CQR with 200ft of chain and snubber. When I found her, she had 
drug .42 miles. Good thing I didn't have the spot tracker running or I 
would have gone crazy. The delta was not holding and was wrapped up in a 
ghost crabpot. The CQR was holding and the snubber had come unattached 
and the chain spun the release on the windlass so that all the chain 
plus 150ft of rode ran out. Good thing the rode was well attached to the 
bow. It took about 15 minutes to get the CQR up with the windlass and 
assistance from a powerboat. Next time I will use my 45lb danforth as 
the secondary anchor. Lesson learned.


When I retrieved the boat the engine would just bump and not turn over. 
I hand turned it back and it would stop at the same spot going forward. 
Figured water may have entered it. I keep a head sail on board, so we 
sailed her back in the slip. That was Monday 9/17. Still blowing, but 
had help putting her in the slip. Motor is fine after getting the water 
out and changing oil/filter. So, not a scratch on her!


Everyone that stayed at the Washington Country Club docks in Broad Creek 
did fine. Figure that! I just can't leave a boat in the slip during high 
water. Boats also came off their stands in the yards due to high water. 
A lot of boats anchored in Broad Creek also went in the trees. I'll take 
my chances out at anchor in the big water.


Here are a couple of pics: 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1v3Z3rHK-NMiGZEvN47q7LTNQ6hVHZgbi?usp=sharing


Mark


On 9/27/2018 9:45 AM, Richard Bush wrote:
Mark, that's an awesome story about Edge surviving Florence; do you 
have any film footage of the boat before or after (possibly during) 
the storm?  what type of bottom did the anchor eventually catch on? 
Were there other boats around? Thanks


Richard
s/v/ Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 602.5
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-----Original Message-
From: Mark Baldridge via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Mark Baldridge 
Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2018 9:34 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rob - C&C long time question

1975 C&C 27 'Twain' for 12 years
1974 C&C 35 MkII 'The Edge' for 25 years
1989 C&C 37/40+ 'The Edge' for 1 1/2 years and current boat

BTW, 'The Edge' survived Florence just fine. She drug about half a 
mile in the Pamlico river, but never ventured into shallow water. 
Water entered though the exhaust and into the M35 cylinders. Glad I 
left a sail inside so I could sail back to the slip. Pulled the glow 
plugs, got the water out and after a couple of oil/filter changes is 
running fine.


Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C&C37/40+ "The Edge"
Surf City, NC





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Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Backstay Inspection/Improvements

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Good luck Bruce!

Our survey is the 10th of January on the 1989 37/40+ out of Fairhope, 
AL.  hull #30 (ex Dakota). Hoping for a good pass as well!


Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'75 C&C35 MKII "The Edge"
Surf City, NC


On 1/3/2017 8:20 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List wrote:

Bruce

Hold on there...you have to follow list protocol.   The members of the 
34/37+ subgroup have to give their approval of any related purchases...


So, what boat where?   Or just post a link here -->

Tom B

At 04:50 PM 1/3/2017, you wrote:


Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 00:49:37 + (UTC)
From: Bruce Whitmore 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Backstay Inspection/Improvements
Message-ID: <267782307.5706814.1483490977...@mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hello Everyone,
I wanted to thank you all for your thoughts, insights and photos.? 
They have been invaluable.?


I'm really looking forward with hope that the boat passes its survey 
with flying colors!

Happy New Year,
?Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com



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Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Backstay Inspection/Improvements

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Tom,

I looked at the boat about when the photos were taken and prior to the 
listing going up. The backstay is currently disconnected while the 
hydraulics are out being rebuilt. They are currently tied off to the 
stern pulpit. If you look close at the main picture you can see 
attachment point next to where the hydraulic line exits the deck.


I assume that this is standard.

Thanks,
Mark

On 1/4/2017 1:55 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List wrote:

Hey Mark

I took a look at Ogopogo, the 37+/4- in Fairhope,online.  Since this 
string started with questions about the back stay on these boats, I 
was wondering about the set up on the one you're looking at.  They 
seems to have been relocate inboard from their original location on 
the transom.  I'm curious as to why this was done.  Any idea or 
explanation given?


GL with the purchase...I am a huge fan of the 37+/40!

Tom B

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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 21:17:34 -0500
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Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Backstay Inspection/Improvements
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Good luck Bruce!

Our survey is the 10th of January on the 1989 37/40+ out of Fairhope,
AL.  hull #30 (ex Dakota). Hoping for a good pass as well!

Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'75 C&C35 MKII "The Edge"
Surf City, NC


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com



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Stus-List C&C 37/40+ Universal M-35 heat exchanger

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Bruce W. isn't the only one to buy a 37/40+ this month. We took 
possession of our 37/40+ this past Wednesday!


Spent the week going over the systems and doing a bit of sailing in 
Mobile Bay.


The heat exchanger on the Universal M-35 is looking quite rough.

The parts manual has the current part as 302253 and the replacement part 
is 302631. Has anyone replaced their unit with the "updated" part # and 
are there any differences between the two other than mounting?


Thanks,
Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C&C37/40+ "The Edge"
'75 C&C35 MKII "The Edge"
Surf City, NC

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Re: Stus-List C&C 37/40+ Universal M-35 heat exchanger

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Dennis,

Unfortunately, I'm in North Carolina and the boat is in Mobile, AL. 
We're hoping to sail her home the end of March.


If the new one is a drop in, it would save a bit of time. However, I'm 
heading back down week after next to go over the engine and may pull it 
and have it refurbished prior to the next boat visit.


Thanks,
Mark


On 2/15/2017 1:01 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
I'd take it to a local radiator shop and see what they think.  They 
might refurbish it for a lot less than $300.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Mark Baldridge via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


302631





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Re: Stus-List C&C 37/40+ Universal M-35 heat exchanger

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Joe,

It does not leak nor overheat. However, I'm worried about electrolysis 
as the zincs have not been changed in the last two and a half years and 
there is lot of green coating on it at the ends and fittings.


I'm planning on taking the boat from Mobile Bay to Washington NC the end 
of March by water, so I have a little time to get it right. Just don't 
want a problem once I'm on the move.


I'll be back to the boat week after next. I'll pull the caps off and 
check the zinc and see what the condition looks like. Maybe I can find a 
shop that can give me a quick turn around if it looks bad.


All my previous boats are/were raw water cooled A4s. I'm just not 
familiar with exchangers and their possible failure issues.


Thanks,
Mark


On 2/16/2017 9:50 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:


Does it leak or overheat?

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Dennis C. via CnC-List

*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 1:02 PM
*To:* CnClist 
*Cc:* Dennis C. 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C 37/40+ Universal M-35 heat exchanger

I'd take it to a local radiator shop and see what they think.  They 
might refurbish it for a lot less than $300.


Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Mark Baldridge via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


302631



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Stus-List Universal M-35 Hurst transmission

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Ahoy Universal/Hurst transmission owners,

I'm changing all the fluids on the M-35 and and the last thing I need to 
do is drain & fill the transmission fluid.


This is the only fluid that I don't know what the PO used last.

The manual says ATF "A " or GM-Dextron II. Do not mix different oils.

I'm going to drain everything before re-filling. What brand/label of 
transmission fluid do you guys use?


Thanks,
Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C&C 37/40+ "The Edge"
'75 C&C35 MKII "The Edge"
Surf City, NC



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Re: Stus-List C&C Lister Roll Call

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Mark Baldridge / The Edge / C&C 37/40+ kcb/ 1989 / 30 / 
jmbaldri...@gmail.com / Surf City, NC


On 10/3/2019 4:52 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:

Listers,

In my spare time, I’m going to start working on an email list / 
bulletin board / photo archive / information center website for C&C 
Owners, that will act as a supplement and perhaps one day, _only_ when 
Stu says he’s no longer interested in continuing on, act as a 
replacement to the service we are using now.


I’d like to start compiling a database of C&C Owners. When you have a 
moment, please respond to this email (either to the whole list or by 
direct email to me) with the following information:


Name / Boat name / C&C Model / C&C Year / Sail number / Email Address 
/ Home Port


For example:
Edd Schillay / Starship Enterprise / C&C 37/40+ / 1990 / NCC-1701-B / 
e...@schillay.com  / Venice Island, FL


Thanks to all.

And for those of you up north who are reviewing/signing their winter 
haul-out and storage contracts, I can now say, “Nah, Nah. Na-Na Nah!"


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 

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Re: Stus-List 37+ Prop Pitch for Universal 35

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Chuck,

I have the original M35 and a MaxProp classic 2-blade. I get 6.2 knots 
in calm water at 2200rpms. I'll look through my documents this week when 
I visit the boat and see if the pitch is mentioned. I'm replacing the 
cutlass bearing next month, so will check then when it is on the hard.


Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C&C37/40+ #30 "The Edge"
Surf City, NC

On 1/20/2019 3:55 PM, Rick Rohwer via CnC-List wrote:
I have the same prop but a Yanmar 35.  Deep keel.  Sounds very close 
to the same performance. I was looking to do the same tweaking on my 
next haul out.  Looking forward to other opinions on the subject.


I do love the difference under sail though compared to the fixed prop 
that was on the boat since purchase.


Rick Rohwer
Paikea 37+
Bremerton, WA

On Jan 20, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Chuck Saur via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I have a MaxProp classic, and a Universal 35 on Daydream.  The prop 
pitch appears very shallow, and when motoring, seems to be slow. 
(from memory of last September, 4.5 knots@ 2300rpms)


Any 37+ owners have this combination of prop and engine, and happen 
to know the correct pitch for the MaxProp prop?


And cheers from the Michigan Fridge...-12 in the UP this morning!!
*
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(517)-490-5926
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Re: Stus-List 37+ Prop Pitch for Universal 35

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Chuck,

Here is the info from the POs documentation that I found on my MaxProp:

16" 2-blade classic 1 1/8" shaft
Universal M35 trans 2:1
Right Rotation 16 degrees

My boat is a centerboard and with the board up and a clean bottom I get 
6kts at 2200RPMs.


Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C&C37/40+ #30 "The Edge"
Surf City, NC


On 1/20/2019 8:00 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote:


Hi Chuck,

I had a similar situation with my old cruising cutter with a Gori 
folding prop. At expected RPM the cruising speed was ugly and the 
engine chugged along like there was no load. Even worse, in a marina I 
learn to go full speed in reverse just to get a wee bite.


In my investigation I found the prop's 18 x 12 expected performance 
was suitable for a 2:1 transmission. The installed tranny was a 3:1, 
which is great for efficiency and performance but only if the prop is 
sized right. I think it was mistake when ordered (like 10 years 
earlier) but that is a whole 'nother story.


Do you know what degree pitch the current setting is? I have a vague 
recollection a Max prop should be around 14 degree for a 2:1 gearbox 
and hull speed in the 6.5 - 7 knot range.  But don't quote me.. the 
last one I set up was maybe 4 years ago.


Cheers, Russ
ex-/Sweet/ , 35 mk-1


At 09:15 AM 1/20/2019, you wrote:
I have a MaxProp classic, and a Universal 35 on Daydream.  The prop 
pitch appears very shallow, and when motoring, seems to be slow. 
(from memory of last September, 4.5 knots@ 2300rpms)


Any 37+ owners have this combination of prop and engine, and happen 
to know the correct pitch for the MaxProp prop?


And cheers from the Michigan Fridge...-12 in the UP this morning!!
*

Chuck Saur*

(517)-490-5926
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Re: Stus-List Sea Hawk Bottom Paint

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

The PO of our boat used SeaHawk in Mobile Bay. It looked great at the 
survey after 2-ish years.


I'm now in North Carolina in the Pamlico River. Had SeaHawk Biocop TF 
blue put on May 2017. I had the boat pulled last week to install a a PYI 
dripless stuffing box and cutlass bearing and the bottom still looks 
great. I've cleaned it in the water only 3 or 4 times (using scuba) and 
I've had a short pull and pressure wash twice in almost to two years. 
I'm in brackish water and in a creek that doesn't get a lot of current. 
Highly recommend it!


Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C&C37/40+ "The Edge"
Surf City, NC

On 3/10/2019 6:43 PM, Steven A. Demore via CnC-List wrote:


I’m curious to see the responses as well.  Last year was my first with 
ablative bottom paint and I used TotalBoat Underdog.  Great reviews, 
but my experience in the Chesapeake Bay was that I had to be hauled 
and pressure washed by late summer, because I couldn’t get the engine 
above an idle.   The barnacle growth was complete coverage of the prop 
and about 3” thick algae forest on the hull with heavy barnacle growth 
under it.  I know last year was bad for growth on the bay, but I have 
to find something better this year.


*From:*John and Maryann Read [mailto:johnprea...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Sunday, March 10, 2019 12:14 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Stus-List Sea Hawk Bottom Paint

Am searching for a better water based ablative multi season bottom 
paint.  Moor in a river with salt tidal water so there is a constant 
water movement.  Temperature ranges from 55 in early spring to 70 in 
late August.  Have used Pettit Hydrocoat SR with less than 
satisfactory results – much slime.  Came across SeaHawk which by its 
claims looks promising.  Anyone have experience??


https://www.bottompaintstore.com/boat-bottom-paint-c-13523.html/boat-bottom-paint-water-based-bottom-paint-c-13523_14116.html/monterey-self-polishing-solvent-free-bottom-paint-p-9484.html

TIA

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT


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Re: Stus-List - The Enterprise is Moving

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Unless you are going around Hatteras, maybe we can have a C&C NC get 
together as you come through. Maybe Belhaven or preferably Beaufort.


Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C&C37/40+ #30 "The Edge"
Surf City, NC


On 6/1/2019 8:12 AM, John Conklin via CnC-List wrote:
All the best Ed! My friends boat was at lincoln harbor weehawkin NJ. 
Other side of the hudson and very $$ so i can imagine. City island!
My 37 is now docked in  Rick Brass territory Oriental NC. I leave her 
plugged in but only turn fridge ( sometimes A/C ) on when I arrive On 
weekends. I leave her in but do winterize Drain everything  small 
heater as we can hit below freezing. You wont have this problem! :)

Enjoy the FL coast ( and pool!)  and Happy Sailing !!

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net 


On May 31, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



Jon,

You could say it’s around the corner, but only if you are talking on 
a country-wide scale. This summer, the Enterprise will be moving to a 
slip at the Venice Yacht Club in Venice, FL — In fact, fellow lister 
Captain Rick Brass is working up a full plan and quote to bring her 
down.


My business and residence will also be moving to southern Sarasota. 
You could say it has been an eventful winter around here.


So, the Enterprise will travel over 1,300 miles to continue the 
voyages she has begun, seeking out strange new marinas and southern 
Florida civilizations, boldly going where no man, or no one, has gone 
before.


Aside from Bruce’s C&C 37+ and a few others I know about, there’s not 
a whole lot of C&C action in the Gulf area, but maybe others will one 
day follow us to also live where others vacation. There is something 
VERY satisfying in knowing that last October was the last time I’ll 
winterize my engine and that I won’t really need to haul the boat 
again for at least a few years, then only to slap some new paint on 
the bottom and then go back sailing again.


I’d love to get a Rendezvous together for late June or something like 
that in the LI Sound area — stay tuned for that.



All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 





On May 31, 2019, at 3:30 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Edd,  we do shore power as described by Josh.
Where you moving to?
‘Round the corner?
Any updates on rendezvous?
We are in Stamford now with no excuses.
Jon Pratt
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Re: Stus-List Another C&C Win !

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

John,

I hope you are doing the Ocracoke race this Saturday. Weather is looking 
nice, tho a bit on the light side.


We're racing non-spin, but have both the sym and asym chute to play with 
for the ride back to Washington on Sunday.


If we don't see you this weekend, We'll see you at starting line of the 
Dragon's Breath regatta in August. Unfortunately, still racing with the 
84 PHRF.


Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C&C37/40+ #30 "The Edge"
Surf City, NC


On 6/10/2019 12:05 PM, John Conklin via CnC-List wrote:

Thanks All,
My NC PHRF sail rating is 135 and that was same they gave the benny37? 
( unofficial ) We desyoyed him.
Really just sharing my excitement as it's not a crazy group of high 
end race boats. Maybe get 8-10 boats if lucky 5-6 in the JAM class 
Doubt I will change anything else. Just  Trying to keep the racing 
scene alive on the neuse, and waiting to get killed by Charlie on 
water phantom with his crack crew and crazy sails :)  we have like  
2800 boats registered in Oriental and lucky to see 15 out on Sunday! 
Really thought there would be more of a  racing scene but I am having 
fun and  learning!  I do have a spinnaker  but would be up against J24 
and few pros on Etchells in that class!
If anyone wants to help me get acquainted with the symetrical spin  I 
would really love to fly it !

Looking for crew for this Saturday too! :)

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon

John Conklin
South East Sales and Business Development
cel 301-412-8991
j.conk...@marraforni.com
www.marraforni.com 


*From:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
*Sent:* Monday, June 10, 2019 9:36:10 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* John Conklin
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Another C&C Win !
Glad you are finding success racing and enjoying your boat.
My two cents: The ammount of prep needed will be determined by the 
competition. So if you're winning, relax.
If you get some boats stripping out their cabins, or some "drysailed 
race only boats", you may need to slim down a lot. PHRF allows 
removing the cushions but not furniture. Still, many boats remove the 
table, stove, and pump all tanks dry.


The most important thing for us was scrubbing the bottom prior to 
race. Our fleet had a few "mirror bottom" boats; w burnished bottom 
paint and one J24 that lived on a trailer and was craned in hours 
before a race. All with new sails and experienced crew. Lightening the 
boat is more important for light winds especially against well 
prepared higher rating boats. We raced one summer and never saw race 
winds above 8 knots. In one race, we followed a Viper 640 around the 
triangle course. There just wasn't enough wind to move the bigger, 
heavier boats. On our short triangle races, of 4.5 miles, my 93 rated 
34R had to finish 5 minutes ahead to keep my place against a J28 rated 
172. I couldn't afford new sails, but could afford a Hookah and 
regular scrubbing proved worth the investment.


Have fun.

Chuck S, Resolute, 1990 C&C 34R

On June 10, 2019 at 8:06 AM John Conklin via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Thanks Richard,

I Just removed  the Dodger and Bimini, and I do have bottom cleaned 
ever 2 MO! Will Probably remove 100’ of 5/16 chain and 9.9 LEHR 
outboard for next PHRF Race, but really not required we were a good 6 
-10 min ahead of those guys on a 7.5 NM course 😊 Last PHRF we came 
in first even correct against a 228 rating !


John C

S/V Halcyon


*From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Richard 
Bush via CnC-List 

*Sent:* Sunday, June 9, 2019 3:12:38 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Richard Bush
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Another C&C Win !
John, good for you! What have you done in prepping the boat for 
racing? Do you strip the canvas-dodger, bimini, etc..? what about 
anchors and chain?



Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: John Conklin via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: John Conklin 
Sent: Sun, Jun 9, 2019 1:47 pm
Subject: Stus-List Another C&C Win !

This racing rookie is so proud to be the owner of this classic C&C !  
This is # 3 😊
Yes, a good crew is key for sure, but this 1982,  37 is quick !In 
this race most boats were not an issue, but we were up against a 1989 
Tartan 37, 1979 Tartan 36 and a really nice newer model Beneteau 37

Even correct Halcyon  Smoked Em by many minutes !
I am hooked for sure!! And various  races  arescheduled for the next 
3 weekends ! Ye Ha!!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KgVge7U5ydtM-hhiOiekTWVx8ajUEJFc/view?usp=sharing 

Stus-List Re: New C&C Items

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Stu,

I'm in for one.

Thanks,
Mark Baldridge
~~~_/)
'89 C&C 37+ #30 "The Edge"
Surf City, NC
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Stus-List Re: C&C 35 Mainsheet

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

On my previous boat (1975 C&C35 MK2), I put in a 4:1/8:1 system. Henry 
from Layline put it together for me. I wish they were still around.


I could get the main in very quick pulling both lines, then pull on one 
line to harden up. Flick of the lines down out of the cleats would give 
a quick controlled ease of the main.


Here are pics: 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1j2qsKM9dTmXNQQJwo5pe_J9tvHB-7wri?usp=sharing


Mark Baldridge
~~~_/)
'89 C&C 37+ #30 "The Edge"
Surf City, NC


On 7/16/2022 9:59 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:


Lots of great ideas – thanks all!

Coquina is about to turn 50 and like a lightbulb suddenly going off, I 
am like “Just because someone did it this way in 1973 because that is 
how they were used to doing it from the 1960s doesn’t mean it is the 
best way”.  My genoa was off for a UV cover replacement and we were 
reaching in 25+ under just the main and there were a couple of times I 
really would have liked sheet control from the helm!


Joe Della Barba

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

Stus-List C&C 37+ Edson chain and wire spec

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Hi,

It's time to replace the steering cable on my C&C37+

I called Edson and they do not have the specs for the 37+. They said to 
find the chain length and wire length and diameter in order to pick the 
right kit.


I would like to have the new part in hand before I pull out the old one. 
Does anyone know the dimensions or correct kit to buy for my boat?


Thanks,
Mark Baldridge
~~~_/)
'89 C&C 37+ #30 "The Edge"
Surf City, NC

cnc-list@cnc-list.com

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

I replaced the primaries on my previous boat, 35 MKII, with Lewmar 48 3 
speeds. A friend upgraded to self-tailers and I got a deal on them.


I used to yell 'grind, grind, grind' to the crew. Once I put these on, I 
started yelling 'stop, stop, stop'.


https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uqDnJUbVfKxQKqFSaUwPLWP_AOjEqQax?usp=sharing

Oldies, but goodies. Never any issues. Maybe some could be found.

Mark Baldridge
~~~_/)
'89 C&C 37+ #30 "The Edge"
Surf City, NC


On 9/12/2023 6:30 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote:

Yep.
A pair of Barient 32 ST, look like SS. $2,500.  I think that is a 
sweet deal.
I paid 2K over 10 years ago for a pair of those, and was thrilled to 
get them.

Currently spoiled to death with Harken Electric 66 3 speed Primaries

Bill Coleman
Entrada Erie PA

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 6:11 PM cenelson--- via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Always have a look for used winches on eBay. If they were
used Lewmars, these are mostly indestructible so used is fine.
That is how I got my ST Lewmar 44s at $500 each. Compared to ~
$2000 each new.

Charlie Nelson
Water phantom


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On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 1:36 PM, Jeffrey A. Laman via
CnC-List  wrote:

Nathan,
Thanks for this data point!  I wish it were possible to test
run some winches before buying -- hah!  ST50 seems large, but
better a little large than two small.
Jeff

*From:* Nathan Post via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2023 1:00 PM
*To:* Stus-List 
*Cc:* Nathan Post 
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C&C34
Hi Jeff,

I replaced my primaries on my 34 with Anderson ST 50 winches
in 2000. They seem sized correctly to me - I certainly
wouldn't go smaller. They work fine for hauling in my 135
Genoa fully loaded up but it is about all a typical crew
can handle by themselves. If I was to do it again, I would pay
the extra for Lewmar Ocean winches of equivalent size or maybe
even one size up instead.

Nathan

~~~
Nathan Post
S/V Wisper
1981 C&C 34
Lynn, MA (currently in Rockport ME)
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