Re: Stus-List C&C 33-2: PYI shaft seal

[Charlie Normand via CnC-List]

Adrian

Have had the shaft seal on Shadow Dancer for about 12 years now,  never a
problem, one of best updates I made

Cheers

Charlie
Shadow Dancer
1987 33 MKII
Jamestown RI

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:06 AM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Sorry guys, I forgot to include the sailor sams shaft seal link.
>
> https://www.sailorsams.com/lasdrop-shaft-seals
>
>
> Josh
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 9:14 PM Josh Muckley  wrote:
>
>> I have a Max-Prop, a R&D coupling isolator, R&D engine mounts, and I have
>> a PYI shaft seal - all the same company.  I generally like the engineering
>> and customer support and like the shaft seal fine.  That being said, I
>> would suggest taking a look at the Sailor Sam's shaft seal.  As the vendor
>> described to me at the boat show you can evidently replace the "packing"
>> (carbon rings) with it installed and in the water.  Some of the models do
>> not require the tension of a rubber bellows but rather have a physical
>> metal spring that maintains pressure.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 8:49 PM Adrian Humphreys via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Any 33-2 owners with the PYI dripless shaft seal?
>>>
>>> Will it fit?
>>>
>>> We're looking at overhauling the packing gland and considering replacing
>>> it altogether.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Adrian Humphreys
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 33-2: PYI shaft seal

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

I don't know if this is brand-specific, or which brands were involved, but 
while I had my boat hauled out and was in the process of making a decision on 
what to do about the packing gland on my boat, 2 boats in the same marina had 
serious leaks due to broken graphite parts in their dripless packings. One of 
them sank and the other managed to get hauled out in time. I did not know that 
such a catastrophic and sudden failure mode even existed up til then. No vendor 
or manufacturer's literature that I had seen even mentioned such a possibility. 
How such an event could be handled at sea I did not know. Anyway, it freaked me 
out and I decided to install a new conventional packing gland instead. 

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII - Ontario
C&C36 - Florida


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Re: Stus-List Af Cabin Mirror on a 37+

[David via CnC-List]

My mirror was replaced with a reflective acrylic.  Looks like glass

>From my Android


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Matthew L. Wolford 
via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 4:08:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List Af Cabin Mirror on a 37+

Don’t know about your specific mirror.  On my boat, there is a framed mirror 
screwed into the bulkhead wall.  I removed it from the wall by taking out the 
screws and took the framed mirror to a local glass shop.  They removed the old 
mirror from the frame and replaced it.  I then screwed the frame back in with 
the new mirror installed.  Easy peezy.

From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 12:58 PM
To: John via CnC-List
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Stus-List Af Cabin Mirror on a 37+

Listers (Specifically the 37+ Listers),

In my aft cabin, there’s a framed mirror on the wall above the engine 
compartment, which I’d like to redo. Anyone have any clue as to how to get it 
out?

There are screws in each corner, but it also appears that the mirror is inside 
the frame as well.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log










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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] inexpensive chartplotter

[ahycrace via CnC-List]

I have a 10 inch samsung with Opencpn and have opencpn on my sam phone. I would 
like to get ais as well , can I do that with my tablet? I have an old green 
screen Raytheon radar and would like something newer but this unit is working 
ok so that is on the back burner. I also have  a Dell laptop that is running an 
old program that I really like called Chartview. I can download govt. Charts 
for free. So far I haven't found a program that I like better and with new 
updated charts I guess it's as good as most of the new things out there now. I 
like it more than Opencpn probably because I'm so used to it.
Gary Kolc "Liberty" 38' MK II


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 Original message From: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 Date: 10/19/18  9:00 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jerome Tauber  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List [EXTERNAL]    inexpensive chartplotter 
I use a laptop with free OpenCPN at home for planning cruises.  It has a full 
library of NOAA raster charts identical to paper.  I have a GNSS puck plugged 
into computer which gives me foreign satellite systems as well as US GPS.  It 
is remarkable at $19.95.  I also have a small Daisy AIS receiver attached $69.  
On my IPhone I have PlantoNav with cmap charts.  Works well. On my Android I 
have OpenCPN.  It can receive WiFi input for AIS and down load grib charts if 
in internet range.   OpenCPN does not run on IPad.  At the helm of the boat I 
have a Garmin 74 series chart plotter.  Under $500. It’s 7 inches and readable 
under all conditions.  I have a daisy two channel AIS receiver attached that 
works beautifully.  $89. It’s has its own rail mounted antenna and picks up 
boats up to 15 miles away. Garmin Vector charts.  My mast top vhf antenna 
doubles as a 2 meter ham antenna.  If I had unlimited budget I’d get a multi 
function display and nmea 2000 network for all devices including radar.  I 
currently have a dedicated Raytheon radar non digital.  Never use it.  Jerry 
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] inexpensive chartplotter

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Have used iPad, lifeproof case, ram mount at helm and chart table.  iNavx, 
isailor, navionics.

Cheapest and my next iteration will probably be android tablet and isailor or 
opencpn 

My helm is under a Bimini and brightness isn’t an issue.

Sailing casually in Lake Ontario so navigation not as critical as for others

Biggest issue to me is lack of integration with Ray marine autopilot, and 
weatherproof charging at helm.  Also, wifi requires reset on rare occasions.  

Dave

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> On Oct 20, 2018, at 10:02 AM, ahycrace  wrote:
> 
> I have a 10 inch samsung with Opencpn and have opencpn on my sam phone. I 
> would like to get ais as well , can I do that with my tablet? I have an old 
> green screen Raytheon radar and would like something newer but this unit is 
> working ok so that is on the back burner. I also have  a Dell laptop that is 
> running an old program that I really like called Chartview. I can download 
> govt. Charts for free. So far I haven't found a program that I like better 
> and with new updated charts I guess it's as good as most of the new things 
> out there now. I like it more than Opencpn probably because I'm so used to it.
> 
> Gary Kolc "Liberty" 38' MK II
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Tablet
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
> Date: 10/19/18 9:00 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Jerome Tauber 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL]inexpensive chartplotter
> 
> I use a laptop with free OpenCPN at home for planning cruises.  It has a full 
> library of NOAA raster charts identical to paper.  I have a GNSS puck plugged 
> into computer which gives me foreign satellite systems as well as US GPS.  It 
> is remarkable at $19.95.  I also have a small Daisy AIS receiver attached 
> $69.  On my IPhone I have PlantoNav with cmap charts.  Works well. On my 
> Android I have OpenCPN.  It can receive WiFi input for AIS and down load grib 
> charts if in internet range.   OpenCPN does not run on IPad.  At the helm of 
> the boat I have a Garmin 74 series chart plotter.  Under $500. It’s 7 inches 
> and readable under all conditions.  I have a daisy two channel AIS receiver 
> attached that works beautifully.  $89. It’s has its own rail mounted antenna 
> and picks up boats up to 15 miles away. Garmin Vector charts.  My mast top 
> vhf antenna doubles as a 2 meter ham antenna.  If I had unlimited budget I’d 
> get a multi function display and nmea 2000 network for all devices including 
> radar.  I currently have a dedicated Raytheon radar non digital.  Never use 
> it.  Jerry 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] inexpensive chartplotter

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

There are many inexpensive AIS receivers that send out WiFi nmea that you can 
use wirelessly on your Android with Open CPN and other programs.  The cheapest 
I know of is QK-A026 Wireless AIS+GPS Receiver
 (7 Reviews)
QK-A026 Wireless AIS+GPS Receiver ,AIS receiver,GPS receiver,NMEA-0183 message 
output,Boat/Yacht/Ship/Marine Electronics,QK-A026
Designed by Quark-elec, Ships from United Kingdom

PreviousNext

$125.99
$94.49

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 10:02 AM, ahycrace via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I have a 10 inch samsung with Opencpn and have opencpn on my sam phone. I 
> would like to get ais as well , can I do that with my tablet? I have an old 
> green screen Raytheon radar and would like something newer but this unit is 
> working ok so that is on the back burner. I also have  a Dell laptop that is 
> running an old program that I really like called Chartview. I can download 
> govt. Charts for free. So far I haven't found a program that I like better 
> and with new updated charts I guess it's as good as most of the new things 
> out there now. I like it more than Opencpn probably because I'm so used to it.
> 
> Gary Kolc "Liberty" 38' MK II
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Tablet
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
> Date: 10/19/18 9:00 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Jerome Tauber 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL]inexpensive chartplotter
> 
> I use a laptop with free OpenCPN at home for planning cruises.  It has a full 
> library of NOAA raster charts identical to paper.  I have a GNSS puck plugged 
> into computer which gives me foreign satellite systems as well as US GPS.  It 
> is remarkable at $19.95.  I also have a small Daisy AIS receiver attached 
> $69.  On my IPhone I have PlantoNav with cmap charts.  Works well. On my 
> Android I have OpenCPN.  It can receive WiFi input for AIS and down load grib 
> charts if in internet range.   OpenCPN does not run on IPad.  At the helm of 
> the boat I have a Garmin 74 series chart plotter.  Under $500. It’s 7 inches 
> and readable under all conditions.  I have a daisy two channel AIS receiver 
> attached that works beautifully.  $89. It’s has its own rail mounted antenna 
> and picks up boats up to 15 miles away. Garmin Vector charts.  My mast top 
> vhf antenna doubles as a 2 meter ham antenna.  If I had unlimited budget I’d 
> get a multi function display and nmea 2000 network for all devices including 
> radar.  I currently have a dedicated Raytheon radar non digital.  Never use 
> it.  Jerry 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 33-2: PYI shaft seal

[Wade Glew via CnC-List]

What make is the shaft seal and how difficult was the install Charlie?
Wade
Oh Boy C&C 33 MKII

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 06:36 Charlie Normand via CnC-List, <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Adrian
>
> Have had the shaft seal on Shadow Dancer for about 12 years now,  never a
> problem, one of best updates I made
>
> Cheers
>
> Charlie
> Shadow Dancer
> 1987 33 MKII
> Jamestown RI
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:06 AM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry guys, I forgot to include the sailor sams shaft seal link.
>>
>> https://www.sailorsams.com/lasdrop-shaft-seals
>>
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 9:14 PM Josh Muckley  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Max-Prop, a R&D coupling isolator, R&D engine mounts, and I
>>> have a PYI shaft seal - all the same company.  I generally like the
>>> engineering and customer support and like the shaft seal fine.  That being
>>> said, I would suggest taking a look at the Sailor Sam's shaft seal.  As the
>>> vendor described to me at the boat show you can evidently replace the
>>> "packing" (carbon rings) with it installed and in the water.  Some of the
>>> models do not require the tension of a rubber bellows but rather have a
>>> physical metal spring that maintains pressure.
>>>
>>> Josh Muckley
>>> S/V Sea Hawk
>>> 1989 C&C 37+
>>> Solomons, MD
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 8:49 PM Adrian Humphreys via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 Any 33-2 owners with the PYI dripless shaft seal?

 Will it fit?

 We're looking at overhauling the packing gland and considering
 replacing it altogether.

 Thanks,

 Adrian Humphreys





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Re: Stus-List Af Cabin Mirror on a 37+

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

All the mirrors (head and aft cabin) on our 37/40 are some sort of mirrored
plastic that looks like glass.

Ken H.

On Saturday, 20 October 2018, David via CnC-List 
wrote:
> My mirror was replaced with a reflective acrylic.  Looks like glass
>
> From my Android
> 
> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Matthew L.
Wolford via CnC-List 
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 4:08:31 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Af Cabin Mirror on a 37+
>
> Don’t know about your specific mirror.  On my boat, there is a framed
mirror screwed into the bulkhead wall.  I removed it from the wall by
taking out the screws and took the framed mirror to a local glass shop.
They removed the old mirror from the frame and replaced it.  I then screwed
the frame back in with the new mirror installed.  Easy peezy.
>
> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 12:58 PM
> To: John via CnC-List
> Cc: Edd Schillay
> Subject: Stus-List Af Cabin Mirror on a 37+
>
> Listers (Specifically the 37+ Listers),
>
> In my aft cabin, there’s a framed mirror on the wall above the engine
compartment, which I’d like to redo. Anyone have any clue as to how to get
it out?
>
> There are screws in each corner, but it also appears that the mirror is
inside the frame as well.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] inexpensive chartplotter

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

This is great information!!! Thanks so much!!Chris 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Saturday, October 20, 2018, 10:31 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:

There are many inexpensive AIS receivers that send out WiFi nmea that you can 
use wirelessly on your Android with Open CPN and other programs.  The cheapest 
I know of is QK-A026 Wireless AIS+GPS Receiver (7 Reviews)
QK-A026 Wireless AIS+GPS Receiver ,AIS receiver,GPS receiver,NMEA-0183 message 
output,Boat/Yacht/Ship/Marine Electronics,QK-A026
Designed by Quark-elec, Ships from United KingdomPreviousNext$125.99$94.49
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 20, 2018, at 10:02 AM, ahycrace via CnC-List  
wrote:



I have a 10 inch samsung with Opencpn and have opencpn on my sam phone. I would 
like to get ais as well , can I do that with my tablet? I have an old green 
screen Raytheon radar and would like something newer but this unit is working 
ok so that is on the back burner. I also have  a Dell laptop that is running an 
old program that I really like called Chartview. I can download govt. Charts 
for free. So far I haven't found a program that I like better and with new 
updated charts I guess it's as good as most of the new things out there now. I 
like it more than Opencpn probably because I'm so used to it.
Gary Kolc "Liberty" 38' MK II


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Tablet
 Original message From: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 Date: 10/19/18 9:00 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jerome Tauber  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List [EXTERNAL]    inexpensive chartplotter 
I use a laptop with free OpenCPN at home for planning cruises.  It has a full 
library of NOAA raster charts identical to paper.  I have a GNSS puck plugged 
into computer which gives me foreign satellite systems as well as US GPS.  It 
is remarkable at $19.95.  I also have a small Daisy AIS receiver attached $69.  
On my IPhone I have PlantoNav with cmap charts.  Works well. On my Android I 
have OpenCPN.  It can receive WiFi input for AIS and down load grib charts if 
in internet range.   OpenCPN does not run on IPad.  At the helm of the boat I 
have a Garmin 74 series chart plotter.  Under $500. It’s 7 inches and readable 
under all conditions.  I have a daisy two channel AIS receiver attached that 
works beautifully.  $89. It’s has its own rail mounted antenna and picks up 
boats up to 15 miles away. Garmin Vector charts.  My mast top vhf antenna 
doubles as a 2 meter ham antenna.  If I had unlimited budget I’d get a multi 
function display and nmea 2000 network for all devices including radar.  I 
currently have a dedicated Raytheon radar non digital.  Never use it.  Jerry 
Sent from my iPhone




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Stus-List Air conditioner placement

[Chuck Saur via CnC-List]

Ok all you 37+ guys...the mirror discussion sparked a thought:  I have air
conditioner installation located in aft cabin hanging locker, and would
like to move it to have the storage.  The space under the companionway is
open.  I'm thinking I could install AC unit in the space below companionway
steps.  This would allow a forward-facing air duct, and if the mirror were
shortened in the aft cabin, an aft-facing duct just over the engine
compartment.

In Michigan's UP, this might just be enough to keep cool on BOTH of those
warm days. Anyone with some creative experience and/or ideas?


*Chuck Saur*

(517)-490-5926
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Re: Stus-List Air conditioner placement

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Chuck,

That is the best place to do it — and I’ve seen others there. 

The only problem I’ve heard of is the need to install new thru hulls for the AC 
as it’s not a good idea to share your engine intake. 

Take lots of photos. 

All the best, 

Edd

---
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Captain of the Starship Enterprise 
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY
www.StarshipSailing.com
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On Oct 20, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Chuck Saur via CnC-List  
wrote:

Ok all you 37+ guys...the mirror discussion sparked a thought:  I have air 
conditioner installation located in aft cabin hanging locker, and would like to 
move it to have the storage.  The space under the companionway is open.  I'm 
thinking I could install AC unit in the space below companionway steps.  This 
would allow a forward-facing air duct, and if the mirror were shortened in the 
aft cabin, an aft-facing duct just over the engine compartment.  

In Michigan's UP, this might just be enough to keep cool on BOTH of those warm 
days. Anyone with some creative experience and/or ideas?


Chuck Saur

(517)-490-5926
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Re: Stus-List Air conditioner placement

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Mine is under the stairs.  I have no mirror.  16000btu doesn't cool well...
But I don't know exactly why.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 3:34 PM Chuck Saur via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Ok all you 37+ guys...the mirror discussion sparked a thought:  I have air
> conditioner installation located in aft cabin hanging locker, and would
> like to move it to have the storage.  The space under the companionway is
> open.  I'm thinking I could install AC unit in the space below companionway
> steps.  This would allow a forward-facing air duct, and if the mirror were
> shortened in the aft cabin, an aft-facing duct just over the engine
> compartment.
>
> In Michigan's UP, this might just be enough to keep cool on BOTH of those
> warm days. Anyone with some creative experience and/or ideas?
>
>
> *Chuck Saur*
>
> (517)-490-5926
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Re: Stus-List Air conditioner placement

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Our A/C is installed under the companionway stairs, above the engine, as
you suggested.

As our Aft Cabin mirror is plastic we just cut a hole through the mirror
itself for the A/C vent. It looks fine.

Ken H.

On Saturday, 20 October 2018, Chuck Saur via CnC-List 
wrote:
> Ok all you 37+ guys...the mirror discussion sparked a thought:  I have
air conditioner installation located in aft cabin hanging locker, and would
like to move it to have the storage.  The space under the companionway is
open.  I'm thinking I could install AC unit in the space below companionway
steps.  This would allow a forward-facing air duct, and if the mirror were
shortened in the aft cabin, an aft-facing duct just over the engine
compartment.
> In Michigan's UP, this might just be enough to keep cool on BOTH of those
warm days. Anyone with some creative experience and/or ideas?
>
> Chuck Saur
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Re: Stus-List C&C 33-2: PYI shaft seal

[Charlie Normand via CnC-List]

I believe it is PYI.  Had the yard do it, worth it. Good luck. Cheers.
Charlie

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 11:39 AM Wade Glew via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> What make is the shaft seal and how difficult was the install Charlie?
> Wade
> Oh Boy C&C 33 MKII
>
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 06:36 Charlie Normand via CnC-List, <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Adrian
>>
>> Have had the shaft seal on Shadow Dancer for about 12 years now,  never a
>> problem, one of best updates I made
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Charlie
>> Shadow Dancer
>> 1987 33 MKII
>> Jamestown RI
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:06 AM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry guys, I forgot to include the sailor sams shaft seal link.
>>>
>>> https://www.sailorsams.com/lasdrop-shaft-seals
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 9:14 PM Josh Muckley  wrote:
>>>
 I have a Max-Prop, a R&D coupling isolator, R&D engine mounts, and I
 have a PYI shaft seal - all the same company.  I generally like the
 engineering and customer support and like the shaft seal fine.  That being
 said, I would suggest taking a look at the Sailor Sam's shaft seal.  As the
 vendor described to me at the boat show you can evidently replace the
 "packing" (carbon rings) with it installed and in the water.  Some of the
 models do not require the tension of a rubber bellows but rather have a
 physical metal spring that maintains pressure.

 Josh Muckley
 S/V Sea Hawk
 1989 C&C 37+
 Solomons, MD

 On Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 8:49 PM Adrian Humphreys via CnC-List <
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Any 33-2 owners with the PYI dripless shaft seal?
>
> Will it fit?
>
> We're looking at overhauling the packing gland and considering
> replacing it altogether.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adrian Humphreys
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 33-2: PYI shaft seal

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I wonder if they were the older, original style that didn't have the water
vent tube. I believe you are supposed to 'Burp' the seal upon launch, to get
the air out. I have never done this, and never had any problem. I would
think you would have to really be spinning the shaft pretty fast to overheat
one of those to get them to crack and fail. I wonder if there were other
things at play to have caused that.
Just looked at the Lasdrop Shaft seals, and they look intriguing.  There are
3 styles, and they look to be geared toward power boats.  I wonder which one
is recommended for sailboats.

Bill Coleman
C&C 39 Erie, PA


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Thomas via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 7:41 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 33-2: PYI shaft seal

I don't know if this is brand-specific, or which brands were involved, but
while I had my boat hauled out and was in the process of making a decision
on what to do about the packing gland on my boat, 2 boats in the same marina
had serious leaks due to broken graphite parts in their dripless packings.
One of them sank and the other managed to get hauled out in time. I did not
know that such a catastrophic and sudden failure mode even existed up til
then. No vendor or manufacturer's literature that I had seen even mentioned
such a possibility. How such an event could be handled at sea I did not
know. Anyway, it freaked me out and I decided to install a new conventional
packing gland instead. 

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII - Ontario
C&C36 - Florida


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Re: Stus-List C&C 33-2: PYI shaft seal

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I preferred the old PSS/PYI seals without the vent since it made one less
complication during install.  It added user responsibility...

The guy at the sailboat show didn't indicate that the last-drop seals were
more or less for power or sail.

I assume that both companies will provide critical dimensions for the user
to make measurements prior to purchasing.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 5:12 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I wonder if they were the older, original style that didn't have the water
> vent tube. I believe you are supposed to 'Burp' the seal upon launch, to
> get
> the air out. I have never done this, and never had any problem. I would
> think you would have to really be spinning the shaft pretty fast to
> overheat
> one of those to get them to crack and fail. I wonder if there were other
> things at play to have caused that.
> Just looked at the Lasdrop Shaft seals, and they look intriguing.  There
> are
> 3 styles, and they look to be geared toward power boats.  I wonder which
> one
> is recommended for sailboats.
>
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39 Erie, PA
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> Thomas via CnC-List
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 7:41 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Steve Thomas
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 33-2: PYI shaft seal
>
> I don't know if this is brand-specific, or which brands were involved, but
> while I had my boat hauled out and was in the process of making a decision
> on what to do about the packing gland on my boat, 2 boats in the same
> marina
> had serious leaks due to broken graphite parts in their dripless packings.
> One of them sank and the other managed to get hauled out in time. I did not
> know that such a catastrophic and sudden failure mode even existed up til
> then. No vendor or manufacturer's literature that I had seen even mentioned
> such a possibility. How such an event could be handled at sea I did not
> know. Anyway, it freaked me out and I decided to install a new conventional
> packing gland instead.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C&C27 MKIII - Ontario
> C&C36 - Florida
>
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