Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

John,

I haven’t given this any thought but obviously I have the same issue. I’ve been 
tying the lines to the toe-rail but this is a PITA and hardly ideal.

I’m re-bedding, re-fitting and adding to my deck hardware at the moment and 
what I may do during this process is purchase a couple of quality cleats and 
simply mount them just inside the toe-rail, allowing for enough clearance for 
large lines,. I’ll back them up with a suitable section 
 of 
G10 painted white. Should do the trick.

I’ll be interested in the solutions offered by the list.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On Jun 18, 2018, at 11:26 PM, John Conklin via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> On My 1982 37 I have only  bow and stern cleats. There is  no place except 
> the Toe rail to tie My fore and aft spring lines. And I need them  on my 
> docking situation.
> Question - Is this fine to do tie off direct to toe rail with clip of 
> Carabiner ? and what are the methods of attachment? How about Cafe?
>  Do the Toe Rail cleats ( foldable)  they sell work ? or what about the or 
> the cleat for the genoa track ? is this worth the price? Any other thoughts 
> ideas are welcome
> THANKS !
>  
> John Conklin
> s/v Halcyon
> Oriental NC
>  
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Stus-List Yanmar 2QM15 indicator lights and buzzer

[Paul via CnC-List]

Does anyone have experience with electrical system on this model of Yanmar? The 
oil pressure, water temp lights and buzzer have not functioned since I 
purchased Boomerang in 2016.  Only the charge lamp lights up when the key is 
turned to ON position.  I’ve pulled the panel to check the bulbs and wiring. 
There’s a rubber sleeve on each lamp that is not easy to remove to gain access 
to the bulb and socket. Any suggestions before I start pulling or cutting to 
remove them?

There’s also a light switch ( broken) but it’s not clear in the service manual 
diagrams what it’s for. The wires go into the cable bundle but don’t appear to 
exit anywhere. Mapping the entire electrical system from multiple PO’s has been 
fun.

Thanks

Paul D Saxton
C&C 29 MkI
Boomerang



Paul D. Saxton

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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

We have a pair of foldable cleats on our 33-ll and the have worked well for us, 
and we need them for our slip. To me the hull deck join is one of the stronger 
sections of the board, and most of the load is almost parallel to the hull. 
We’ve had no issues in 10+ years of use, and my sister has them on her 30 with 
similar results.

I would not use them to tie off with the line at a right angle to thr hull 
though.

Paul


From: 30131624100n behalf of
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 11:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Conklin
Subject: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off

On My 1982 37 I have only  bow and stern cleats. There is  no place except the 
Toe rail to tie My fore and aft spring lines. And I need them  on my docking 
situation.
Question - Is this fine to do tie off direct to toe rail with clip of Carabiner 
? and what are the methods of attachment? How about Cafe?
 Do the Toe Rail cleats ( foldable)  they sell work ? or what about the or the 
cleat for the genoa track ? is this worth the price? Any other thoughts ideas 
are welcome
THANKS !

John Conklin
s/v Halcyon
Oriental NC

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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off

[bushmark4--- via CnC-List]

Good thread...; I have the Genoa track cleats and I find that they do OK for 
docking at, say a marina or other low stress location,but they ride over the 
toe rail and there is opportunity for chafe, so I don't trust them in high 
tension areas, or where there is a heavy current. I also worry about the angle 
of pull: if it's say, 80-90 degrees, will that warp or pull out the track?  
When sailing, there is a tendency for the jib sheets to catch on them, so I 
have to push them all the way forward to eliminate the ability for a flailing 
sheet to catch...otherwise, they're great and I am happy to have them. 

 

 


Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 506; Still on hard
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 


 
From: 30131624100n behalf of
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 11:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Conklin
Subject: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off
 

On My 1982 37 I have only  bow and stern cleats. There is  no place except the 
Toe rail to tie My fore and aft spring lines. And I need them  on my docking 
situation.
Question - Is this fine to do tie off direct to toe rail with clip of Carabiner 
? and what are the methods of attachment? How about Cafe?
 Do the Toe Rail cleats ( foldable)  they sell work ? or what about the or the 
cleat for the genoa track ? is this worth the price? Any other thoughts ideas 
are welcome
THANKS !
 
John Conklin
s/v Halcyon 
Oriental NC
 


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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Have been contemplating this as well.

Wichard makes a toe rail padeye for this purpose.  Spendy.

There is the commonly available folding cleat.  To me it looks flimsy though 
those who use them like them.

A u-bolt properly backed could be installed.

To distribute the load the line could be led through a lead on the toerail and 
cleated elsewhere if that’s a concern.   

Track mounted cleat could be used with a fairl lead as above.  On my 33-2 I 
want the entire track travel for available though.

I attach my Jacklines by pushing the end loop through the toerail then 
inserting a carabiner through the loop so it functions as a toggle.  This way 
the clip is not taking the load, and the anodizing is not damaged.   

I may do a similar toggle arrangement for a toerail dockline and tether the 
carabiner to a spliced eye.This is quick, versatile and cheap, but the line 
would be subject to a small amount of chafe on the toerail perforation. 

Where we attach things to the toerail, I mark the location with coloured cable 
ties.

My $.02.


Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2018, at 6:40 AM, Paul Fountain  wrote:
> 
> We have a pair of foldable cleats on our 33-ll and the have worked well for 
> us, and we need them for our slip. To me the hull deck join is one of the 
> stronger sections of the board, and most of the load is almost parallel to 
> the hull. We’ve had no issues in 10+ years of use, and my sister has them on 
> her 30 with similar results.
> 
> I would not use them to tie off with the line at a right angle to thr hull 
> though.
> 
> Paul
>  
>  
> From: 30131624100n behalf of 
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 11:27 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: John Conklin
> Subject: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off
>  
> On My 1982 37 I have only  bow and stern cleats. There is  no place except 
> the Toe rail to tie My fore and aft spring lines. And I need them  on my 
> docking situation.
> Question - Is this fine to do tie off direct to toe rail with clip of 
> Carabiner ? and what are the methods of attachment? How about Cafe?
>  Do the Toe Rail cleats ( foldable)  they sell work ? or what about the or 
> the cleat for the genoa track ? is this worth the price? Any other thoughts 
> ideas are welcome
> THANKS !
>  
> John Conklin
> s/v Halcyon
> Oriental NC
>  
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Stus-List Force 10 Oven Thermostat

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

 Has anyone found a way to retrofit an oven thermostat into an older 3
burner Force 10 range (circa 1990)?  Newer Force 10 ranges have a
thermostat, while older ones do not.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
~~~_/)~~
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Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off

[robert via CnC-List]

John
I have been using the toe rail SS folding cleats for 12 years now for 
spring lines.works perfectly.several other club members have 
seen mine and have done the same.one is a Landfall 38.


https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=toe+rail+SS+folding+cleat&id=A13BB30600D9BFE60B70A3FDB62555C82CBA58FA&FORM=IQFRBA 



I leave the spring lines on the dock, connect and disconnect with a 
Carabiner(s).


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2018-06-19 12:26 AM, John Conklin via CnC-List wrote:


On My 1982 37 I have only  bow and stern cleats. There is  no place 
except the Toe rail to tie My fore and aft spring lines. And I 
needthem  on my docking situation.


Question - Is this fine to do tie off direct to toe rail with clip of 
Carabiner ? and what are the methods of attachment? How about Cafe?


 Do the Toe Rail cleats ( foldable)  they sell work ? or what about 
the or the cleat for the genoa track ? is this worth the price? Any 
other thoughts ideas are welcome


THANKS !

John Conklin

s/v Halcyon

Oriental NC



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Stus-List Toe rail tie off

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I use a moveable cleat on the very front end of my Genoa track.  The PO had one 
and I picked up one for the other side.  Works great.

https://www.fisheriessupply.com/schaefer-marine-mid-rail-chock-and-cleat

In addition, I have a rail mounted cleat as a back up.

https://www.fisheriessupply.com/johnson-marine-toe-rail-folding-cleat-48-510

And bails.  Three per side.  Two for fenders and one forward for our preventer. 
 I would post a link, but It looks like C.S.Johnson stopped making them.  But 
they sure are handy.

Like these, but a little less fancy. 
https://www.greenboatstuff.com/wiststtopade.html

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Jun 19, 2018, at 3:41 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 06:05:54 -0400
> From: Dave Godwin 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> John,
> 
> I haven?t given this any thought but obviously I have the same issue. I?ve 
> been tying the lines to the toe-rail but this is a PITA and hardly ideal.
> 
> I?m re-bedding, re-fitting and adding to my deck hardware at the moment and 
> what I may do during this process is purchase a couple of quality cleats and 
> simply mount them just inside the toe-rail, allowing for enough clearance for 
> large lines,. I?ll back them up with a suitable section 
>  
> of G10 painted white. Should do the trick.
> 
> I?ll be interested in the solutions offered by the list.
> 
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin?s Overdue Refit 
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2018, at 11:26 PM, John Conklin via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On My 1982 37 I have only  bow and stern cleats. There is  no place except 
>> the Toe rail to tie My fore and aft spring lines. And I need them  on my 
>> docking situation.
>> Question - Is this fine to do tie off direct to toe rail with clip of 
>> Carabiner ? and what are the methods of attachment? How about Cafe?
>> Do the Toe Rail cleats ( foldable)  they sell work ? or what about the or 
>> the cleat for the genoa track ? is this worth the price? Any other thoughts 
>> ideas are welcome
>> THANKS !
>> 
>> John Conklin
>> s/v Halcyon
>> Oriental NC
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

I had Johnson folding cleats on my toe rail and sliding on my genoa tracks.  
Folding cleat worked well for spring line and can be folded out of way went not 
in use.  Genoa track cleats constantly hung up sheets when tacking.  

Jerry 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Dave S via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Have been contemplating this as well.
> 
> Wichard makes a toe rail padeye for this purpose.  Spendy.
> 
> There is the commonly available folding cleat.  To me it looks flimsy though 
> those who use them like them.
> 
> A u-bolt properly backed could be installed.
> 
> To distribute the load the line could be led through a lead on the toerail 
> and cleated elsewhere if that’s a concern.   
> 
> Track mounted cleat could be used with a fairl lead as above.  On my 33-2 I 
> want the entire track travel for available though.
> 
> I attach my Jacklines by pushing the end loop through the toerail then 
> inserting a carabiner through the loop so it functions as a toggle.  This way 
> the clip is not taking the load, and the anodizing is not damaged.   
> 
> I may do a similar toggle arrangement for a toerail dockline and tether the 
> carabiner to a spliced eye.This is quick, versatile and cheap, but the 
> line would be subject to a small amount of chafe on the toerail perforation. 
> 
> Where we attach things to the toerail, I mark the location with coloured 
> cable ties.
> 
> My $.02.
> 
> 
> Dave
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2018, at 6:40 AM, Paul Fountain  wrote:
>> 
>> We have a pair of foldable cleats on our 33-ll and the have worked well for 
>> us, and we need them for our slip. To me the hull deck join is one of the 
>> stronger sections of the board, and most of the load is almost parallel to 
>> the hull. We’ve had no issues in 10+ years of use, and my sister has them on 
>> her 30 with similar results.
>> 
>> I would not use them to tie off with the line at a right angle to thr hull 
>> though.
>> 
>> Paul
>>  
>> From: 30131624100n behalf of 
>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 11:27 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: John Conklin
>> Subject: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off
>>  
>> On My 1982 37 I have only  bow and stern cleats. There is  no place except 
>> the Toe rail to tie My fore and aft spring lines. And I need them  on my 
>> docking situation.
>> Question - Is this fine to do tie off direct to toe rail with clip of 
>> Carabiner ? and what are the methods of attachment? How about Cafe?
>>  Do the Toe Rail cleats ( foldable)  they sell work ? or what about the or 
>> the cleat for the genoa track ? is this worth the price? Any other thoughts 
>> ideas are welcome
>> THANKS !
>>  
>> John Conklin
>> s/v Halcyon
>> Oriental NC
>>  
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Stus-List Yanmar 2QM15 indicator lights and buzzer

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Paul, A friend had a similar problem with his Yanmar. Have you inspected the 
connection between the gauge package and the engine? It’s a large wire 
connector that usually gets left under the engine in a dark damp spot. If you 
get it apart and clean up the connections you may be surprised how corroded 
they are by now. Sometimes it’s already been removed and you find a handful of 
crimp or butt connectors wrapped in electrical tape but that solution never 
lasts long. You can also use a continuity tester to test the circuit. 

Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
Midland On. 

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Stus-List how to search the archives and marine insurance

[Jeff Bechtel via CnC-List]

I'm looking for any advice on marine insurance for a 1977 C&C30 M1 that has
no current survey. I'm in Toronto, Ontario.
I'd prefer not to pull the boat out of the water until the fall, but all
the insurance companies want an out of water survey to insure.
Any advice?
Jeff
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Stus-List marine insurance

[robert via CnC-List]

Jeff:

My understanding is that most marine insurance companies require a 
survey every five (5) years  after a vessel reaches 15 years of age.


I am not allowed to keep a vessel at my club without providing proof of 
insurancei.e. for my benefit and every other club member.


Trusting this is helpful.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2018-06-19 11:00 AM, Jeff Bechtel via CnC-List wrote:
I'm looking for any advice on marine insurance for a 1977 C&C30 M1 
that has no current survey. I'm in Toronto, Ontario.
I'd prefer not to pull the boat out of the water until the fall, but 
all the insurance companies want an out of water survey to insure.

Any advice?
Jeff



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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off

[bushmark4--- via CnC-List]

 

 Robert; do you dock in a marina? Is there current or other force on the cleat? 
 What other lines are you using in addition to the rail mount cleat? Thanks


Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596


Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: robert via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: robert 
Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2018 8:46 am
Subject: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off


John
I have been using the toe rail SS folding cleats for 12 years nowfor 
spring lines.works perfectly.several other club membershave seen 
mine and have done the same.one is a Landfall 38.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=toe+rail+SS+folding+cleat&id=A13BB30600D9BFE60B70A3FDB62555C82CBA58FA&FORM=IQFRBA


I leave the spring lines on the dock, connect and disconnect with a
Carabiner(s).

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.




On 2018-06-19 12:26 AM, John Conklin  via CnC-List wrote:


  

On My 1982 37 I have only  bow and stern  cleats. There is  no place 
except the Toe rail to tie My fore  and aft spring lines. And I 
needthem  on my docking situation.

Question - Is this fine to do tie off  direct to toe rail with clip of 
Carabiner ? and what are the  methods of attachment? How about Cafe?


 Do the Toe Rail cleats ( foldable)  they  sell work ? or what about 
the or the cleat for the genoa track  ? is this worth the price? Any 
other thoughts ideas are  welcome

THANKS !

 

John Conklin

s/v Halcyon 

Oriental NC

 
  
  
  
  
  
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Stus-List Force 10 Oven Thermostat

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

From everyone I have talked to, the Force 10 is 
really an "on or off" sort of oven.


At 06:40 AM 6/19/2018, you wrote:

Message: 3
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 08:26:07 -0400
From: Gary Russell 
To: "C&C List" 
Subject: Stus-List Force 10 Oven Thermostat


 Has anyone found a way to retrofit an oven thermostat into an older 3
burner Force 10 range (circa 1990)?  Newer Force 10 ranges have a
thermostat, while older ones do not.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
~~~_/)~~


.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


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Re: Stus-List marine insurance

[jhnelson24 via CnC-List]

Yep they ask for one for mine every 5 years as well. Ask around your club 
indicating you need an insurance survey and you'll likely find someone 
reasonably priced. 
I'm not that familiar with Toronto market anymore. Perhaps some one at sail 
Ontario could help. Not sure if Glenn Lethbridge is still exec dir  there or 
not.  Sailon.orgI believe is their website
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: robert via CnC-List 
 Date: 2018-06-19  11:06  (GMT-04:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert , Jeff Bechtel 
 Subject: Stus-List marine insurance 

Jeff:



My understanding is that most marine insurance companies require a
survey every five (5) years  after a vessel reaches 15 years of age.



I am not allowed to keep a vessel at my club without providing proof
of insurancei.e. for my benefit and every other club member.



Trusting this is helpful.



Rob Abbott

AZURA

C&C 32 - 84

Halifax, N.S. 



On 2018-06-19 11:00 AM, Jeff Bechtel
  via CnC-List wrote:



  
  I'm looking for any advice on marine insurance for
a 1977 C&C30 M1 that has no current survey. I'm in Toronto,
Ontario.
I'd prefer not to pull the boat out of the water until the
  fall, but all the insurance companies want an out of water
  survey to insure.
Any advice?
Jeff



  
  

  
  

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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I have the same cleats for spring lines.

From: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:39 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Jerome Tauber 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off

I had Johnson folding cleats on my toe rail and sliding on my genoa tracks.  
Folding cleat worked well for spring line and can be folded out of way went not 
in use.  Genoa track cleats constantly hung up sheets when tacking.   

Jerry 


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 19, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Dave S via CnC-List  wrote:


  Have been contemplating this as well.

  Wichard makes a toe rail padeye for this purpose.  Spendy. 

  There is the commonly available folding cleat.  To me it looks flimsy though 
those who use them like them.

  A u-bolt properly backed could be installed.

  To distribute the load the line could be led through a lead on the toerail 
and cleated elsewhere if that’s a concern.   

  Track mounted cleat could be used with a fairl lead as above.  On my 33-2 I 
want the entire track travel for available though.

  I attach my Jacklines by pushing the end loop through the toerail then 
inserting a carabiner through the loop so it functions as a toggle.  This way 
the clip is not taking the load, and the anodizing is not damaged.   

  I may do a similar toggle arrangement for a toerail dockline and tether the 
carabiner to a spliced eye.This is quick, versatile and cheap, but the line 
would be subject to a small amount of chafe on the toerail perforation. 

  Where we attach things to the toerail, I mark the location with coloured 
cable ties.

  My $.02.


  Dave


  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jun 19, 2018, at 6:40 AM, Paul Fountain  wrote:


We have a pair of foldable cleats on our 33-ll and the have worked well for 
us, and we need them for our slip. To me the hull deck join is one of the 
stronger sections of the board, and most of the load is almost parallel to the 
hull. We’ve had no issues in 10+ years of use, and my sister has them on her 30 
with similar results.

I would not use them to tie off with the line at a right angle to thr hull 
though.

Paul




From: 30131624100n behalf of 
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 11:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Conklin
Subject: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off 

On My 1982 37 I have only  bow and stern cleats. There is  no place except 
the Toe rail to tie My fore and aft spring lines. And I need them  on my 
docking situation.

Question - Is this fine to do tie off direct to toe rail with clip of 
Carabiner ? and what are the methods of attachment? How about Cafe? 

Do the Toe Rail cleats ( foldable)  they sell work ? or what about the or 
the cleat for the genoa track ? is this worth the price? Any other thoughts 
ideas are welcome

THANKS !



John Conklin

s/v Halcyon 

Oriental NC



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Re: Stus-List how to search the archives and marine insurance

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi Jeff,

I’m based in Quebec and my boat is in Ontario. I’m using Gateway Insurance

You can contact;

Daniel MacMillan, B.Comm
Area Manager
Gateway Insurance, Halifax-South Shore
Direct: 902.233.6600
Office: 902.431.9300
dmacmil...@gatewayinsurance.ca

Cant speak highly enough about Dan!

/J

> On Jun 19, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Jeff Bechtel  wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for any advice on marine insurance for a 1977 C&C30 M1 that has 
> no current survey. I'm in Toronto, Ontario.
> I'd prefer not to pull the boat out of the water until the fall, but all the 
> insurance companies want an out of water survey to insure.
> Any advice?
> Jeff
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Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off

[robert via CnC-List]

Richard,

Yes, I am on a slip at the marina.as previously mentioned, I leave 
both fore and aft spring lines on the slip.


I use a bow line and a stern line.they come with me when I leave the 
slipthe stern line is the exact length when docked with the bitter 
end on a stern deck cleat with a loop that goes over the cleat on the 
slipit just lays folded a bit on the deck when sailing.


The bow line is, I think, 20' or 25' and comes with me also.when 
leaving the slip I bring the bow line back to the toe rail SS cleat and 
tie it there.it stays there when sailing.when docking it can be 
used to control the boat as you have a line from the bow over half the 
length back to grab.    When the bow is tied to the deck cleat, the 
extra line goes back to a forward stanchion but doesn't do anything...I 
just tie it there so it is out of the way.   The port bow line to keep 
the boat off the slip when docked comes with me alsoI just fold it 
up and lay it on the bow roller.


Because I am usually alone, when docking I have rigged a snubber on a 
line that the inboard end goes over the main winch and when I step off 
the boat through the gate unto the slip/dock, I simply drop the loop on 
the slip/dock cleat and the boat, with its forward motion, glides into 
the slip.   I have this line just the right length so that the bow is 
several feet from hitting the dock forward..the snubber cushions the 
shock of stopping the forward motion of the boat.  When sailing and at 
the dock, I keep the snubber line in the propane locker which I don't 
keep propane in but everything else it seems.   Depending the wind, tide 
conditions all the other lines then get attached as the situation 
dictates.the fore and aft spring lines are connected with Carabiners.


My boat has been through all kinds of extremeweather at the slip with no 
issues using the toe rail SS cleats.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


On 2018-06-19 11:13 AM, bushma...@aol.com wrote:


Robert; do you dock in a marina? Is there current or other force on 
the cleat?  What other lines are you using in addition to the rail 
mount cleat? Thanks

Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: robert via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: robert 
Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2018 8:46 am
Subject: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off

John
I have been using the toe rail SS folding cleats for 12 years now for 
spring lines.works perfectly.several other club members have 
seen mine and have done the same.one is a Landfall 38.


https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=toe+rail+SS+folding+cleat&id=A13BB30600D9BFE60B70A3FDB62555C82CBA58FA&FORM=IQFRBA 



I leave the spring lines on the dock, connect and disconnect with a 
Carabiner(s).


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2018-06-19 12:26 AM, John Conklin via CnC-List wrote:

On My 1982 37 I have only  bow and stern cleats. There is  no
place except the Toe rail to tie My fore and aft spring lines. And
I needthem  on my docking situation.
Question - Is this fine to do tie off direct to toe rail with clip
of Carabiner ? and what are the methods of attachment? How about
Cafe?
 Do the Toe Rail cleats ( foldable)  they sell work ? or what
about the or the cleat for the genoa track ? is this worth the
price? Any other thoughts ideas are welcome
THANKS !
John Conklin
s/v Halcyon
Oriental NC


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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Great ! Is the west Marine Foldable the same as the HMP ? I will be using for 
My slip only and only for spring lines. I would like to do the X Cross on the 
stern lines ( about 10 ft from Pile) to minimize side to side  But that leaves 
the spring to do the work  fore and aft motion.   If I need lateral (side) tie 
will go direct to rail  and will  use several contact points on the toe rail

John Conklin
Flirting with Fire
www.flirtingwithfire.net



From: CnC-List  on behalf of bushmark4--- via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:13:19 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: bushma...@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off


Robert; do you dock in a marina? Is there current or other force on the cleat?  
What other lines are you using in addition to the rail mount cleat? Thanks
Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: robert via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: robert 
Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2018 8:46 am
Subject: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off

John
I have been using the toe rail SS folding cleats for 12 years now for spring 
lines.works perfectly.several other club members have seen mine and 
have done the same.one is a Landfall 38.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=toe+rail+SS+folding+cleat&id=A13BB30600D9BFE60B70A3FDB62555C82CBA58FA&FORM=IQFRBA

I leave the spring lines on the dock, connect and disconnect with a 
Carabiner(s).

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2018-06-19 12:26 AM, John Conklin via CnC-List wrote:
On My 1982 37 I have only  bow and stern cleats. There is  no place except the 
Toe rail to tie My fore and aft spring lines. And I needthem  on my docking 
situation.
Question - Is this fine to do tie off direct to toe rail with clip of Carabiner 
? and what are the methods of attachment? How about Cafe?
 Do the Toe Rail cleats ( foldable)  they sell work ? or what about the or the 
cleat for the genoa track ? is this worth the price? Any other thoughts ideas 
are welcome
THANKS !

John Conklin
s/v Halcyon
Oriental NC




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Re: Stus-List marine insurance

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

My experience is that insurance companies require a survey when you change 
companies/policies.  They haven’t bothered me otherwise.

From: robert via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:06 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: robert ; Jeff Bechtel 
Subject: Stus-List marine insurance

Jeff:

My understanding is that most marine insurance companies require a survey every 
five (5) years  after a vessel reaches 15 years of age.

I am not allowed to keep a vessel at my club without providing proof of 
insurancei.e. for my benefit and every other club member.

Trusting this is helpful.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S. 


On 2018-06-19 11:00 AM, Jeff Bechtel via CnC-List wrote:

  I'm looking for any advice on marine insurance for a 1977 C&C30 M1 that has 
no current survey. I'm in Toronto, Ontario. 
  I'd prefer not to pull the boat out of the water until the fall, but all the 
insurance companies want an out of water survey to insure.
  Any advice?
  Jeff


   

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Stus-List additives and preferred oil - yanmar 2gm20f

[Maurice Poulin via CnC-List]

Greetings all,

Finally have the new to me boat home, mast stepped and rigged.  What a blast!  
Anyhow, turning my attention to maintenance on the yanmar 2gm20f and was 
curious to see what folks that operate yanmars use in terms of additives for 
fuel and preferred oil for oil changes.  

Thank you for your suggestions, diesel is all new to me!

Cheers,

Maurice

SV Monoloy
C&C 30 mkII

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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Richard,
So you use the SS Folding Cleat Just for In and out?   and Tie off with a 
carabiner on the toe rail when you leave  ?

John Conklin


From: CnC-List  on behalf of robert via CnC-List 

Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:49:32 AM
To: bushma...@aol.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off

Richard,

Yes, I am on a slip at the marina.as previously mentioned, I leave both 
fore and aft spring lines on the slip.

I use a bow line and a stern line.they come with me when I leave the 
slipthe stern line is the exact length when docked with the bitter end on a 
stern deck cleat with a loop that goes over the cleat on the slipit just 
lays folded a bit on the deck when sailing.

The bow line is, I think, 20' or 25' and comes with me also.when leaving 
the slip I bring the bow line back to the toe rail SS cleat and tie it 
there.it stays there when sailing.when docking it can be used to 
control the boat as you have a line from the bow over half the length back to 
grab.When the bow is tied to the deck cleat, the extra line goes back to a 
forward stanchion but doesn't do anything...I just tie it there so it is out of 
the way.   The port bow line to keep the boat off the slip when docked comes 
with me alsoI just fold it up and lay it on the bow roller.

Because I am usually alone, when docking I have rigged a snubber on a line that 
the inboard end goes over the main winch and when I step off the boat through 
the gate unto the slip/dock, I simply drop the loop on the slip/dock cleat and 
the boat, with its forward motion, glides into the slip.   I have this line 
just the right length so that the bow is several feet from hitting the dock 
forward..the snubber cushions the shock of stopping the forward motion of 
the boat.  When sailing and at the dock, I keep the snubber line in the propane 
locker which I don't keep propane in but everything else it seems.   Depending 
the wind, tide conditions all the other lines then get attached as the 
situation dictates.the fore and aft spring lines are connected with 
Carabiners.

My boat has been through all kinds of extremeweather at the slip with no issues 
using the toe rail SS cleats.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2018-06-19 11:13 AM, bushma...@aol.com wrote:

Robert; do you dock in a marina? Is there current or other force on the cleat?  
What other lines are you using in addition to the rail mount cleat? Thanks
Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: robert via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: robert 
Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2018 8:46 am
Subject: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off
John
I have been using the toe rail SS folding cleats for 12 years now for spring 
lines.works perfectly.several other club members have seen mine and 
have done the same.one is a Landfall 38.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=toe+rail+SS+folding+cleat&id=A13BB30600D9BFE60B70A3FDB62555C82CBA58FA&FORM=IQFRBA

I leave the spring lines on the dock, connect and disconnect with a 
Carabiner(s).

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


On 2018-06-19 12:26 AM, John Conklin via CnC-List wrote:
On My 1982 37 I have only  bow and stern cleats. There is  no place except the 
Toe rail to tie My fore and aft spring lines. And I needthem  on my docking 
situation.
Question - Is this fine to do tie off direct to toe rail with clip of Carabiner 
? and what are the methods of attachment? How about Cafe?
 Do the Toe Rail cleats ( foldable)  they sell work ? or what about the or the 
cleat for the genoa track ? is this worth the price? Any other thoughts ideas 
are welcome
THANKS !

John Conklin
s/v Halcyon
Oriental NC




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Re: Stus-List marine insurance

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

I just got a new insurance policy for our 1981 C&C 34 from BoatU.S.  They
have not required a survey and the application was pretty straight forward
- they did however, want recent detailed pictures of the interior, exterior
and rigging of the boat which I was able to e-mail to the agent.  The
policy includes coverage for cruising coastal waters of Canada, but I don't
know if they offer policies for boats based in Canada.
Nathan

~~~
Nathan Post
+1 (781)  605-8671

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My experience is that insurance companies require a survey when you change
> companies/policies.  They haven’t bothered me otherwise.
>
> *From:* robert via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:06 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* robert  ; Jeff Bechtel
> 
> *Subject:* Stus-List marine insurance
>
> Jeff:
>
> My understanding is that most marine insurance companies require a survey
> every five (5) years  after a vessel reaches 15 years of age.
>
> I am not allowed to keep a vessel at my club without providing proof of
> insurancei.e. for my benefit and every other club member.
>
> Trusting this is helpful.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
> On 2018-06-19 11:00 AM, Jeff Bechtel via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I'm looking for any advice on marine insurance for a 1977 C&C30 M1 that
> has no current survey. I'm in Toronto, Ontario.
> I'd prefer not to pull the boat out of the water until the fall, but all
> the insurance companies want an out of water survey to insure.
> Any advice?
> Jeff
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List marine insurance

[David via CnC-List]

Nathan,


FYI...BoatUS now has (they changed carriers last year) an aggressive 
depreciation schedule to the point that my 1981 model was going to get  no more 
than 20% of replacement value on parts.


No happening.  Changed to Berkley through my very good sailor/broker who is 
local  to you and I.



David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650



From: CnC-List  on behalf of Nathan Post via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:34 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Nathan Post
Subject: Re: Stus-List marine insurance

I just got a new insurance policy for our 1981 C&C 34 from BoatU.S.  They have 
not required a survey and the application was pretty straight forward - they 
did however, want recent detailed pictures of the interior, exterior and 
rigging of the boat which I was able to e-mail to the agent.  The policy 
includes coverage for cruising coastal waters of Canada, but I don't know if 
they offer policies for boats based in Canada.
Nathan

~~~
Nathan Post
+1 (781)  605-8671

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
My experience is that insurance companies require a survey when you change 
companies/policies.  They haven’t bothered me otherwise.

From: robert via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:06 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert ; Jeff 
Bechtel
Subject: Stus-List marine insurance

Jeff:

My understanding is that most marine insurance companies require a survey every 
five (5) years  after a vessel reaches 15 years of age.

I am not allowed to keep a vessel at my club without providing proof of 
insurancei.e. for my benefit and every other club member.

Trusting this is helpful.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2018-06-19 11:00 AM, Jeff Bechtel via CnC-List wrote:
I'm looking for any advice on marine insurance for a 1977 C&C30 M1 that has no 
current survey. I'm in Toronto, Ontario.
I'd prefer not to pull the boat out of the water until the fall, but all the 
insurance companies want an out of water survey to insure.
Any advice?
Jeff




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Re: Stus-List marine insurance

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I changed to Travelers for this reason.

From: David via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:41 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: David 
Subject: Re: Stus-List marine insurance

Nathan,



FYI...BoatUS now has (they changed carriers last year) an aggressive 
depreciation schedule to the point that my 1981 model was going to get  no more 
than 20% of replacement value on parts.



No happening.  Changed to Berkley through my very good sailor/broker who is 
local  to you and I.





David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC  


(401) 419-4650 








From: CnC-List  on behalf of Nathan Post via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:34 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Nathan Post
Subject: Re: Stus-List marine insurance 

I just got a new insurance policy for our 1981 C&C 34 from BoatU.S.  They have 
not required a survey and the application was pretty straight forward - they 
did however, want recent detailed pictures of the interior, exterior and 
rigging of the boat which I was able to e-mail to the agent.  The policy 
includes coverage for cruising coastal waters of Canada, but I don't know if 
they offer policies for boats based in Canada.
Nathan


~~~
Nathan Post

+1 (781)  605-8671


On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  My experience is that insurance companies require a survey when you change 
companies/policies.  They haven’t bothered me otherwise.

  From: robert via CnC-List 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:06 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: robert ; Jeff Bechtel 
  Subject: Stus-List marine insurance

  Jeff:

  My understanding is that most marine insurance companies require a survey 
every five (5) years  after a vessel reaches 15 years of age.

  I am not allowed to keep a vessel at my club without providing proof of 
insurancei.e. for my benefit and every other club member.

  Trusting this is helpful.

  Rob Abbott
  AZURA
  C&C 32 - 84
  Halifax, N.S. 


  On 2018-06-19 11:00 AM, Jeff Bechtel via CnC-List wrote:

I'm looking for any advice on marine insurance for a 1977 C&C30 M1 that has 
no current survey. I'm in Toronto, Ontario. 
I'd prefer not to pull the boat out of the water until the fall, but all 
the insurance companies want an out of water survey to insure.
Any advice?
Jeff


 

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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Hi John,

We live aboard a modest C&C 35-II, a 1974 boat, in Seattle, with wind mostly 
from the North and South.  I hate to be bounced off the dock, and squeaking 
fenders will make me get up in the night, and go spray them with the kitchen 
soapy sprayer.  It’s best to spring the boat off the dock with lines from the 
toe rail.  I have simply tied about a foot and a half of line or webbing, and 
tucked the blight through the toe rail.  The stern spring location is just aft 
of the gate, and I use a 3/8 line with a snubber and scrap of hose for chafe.  
It’s actually my stopping line, repurposed to spring the boat.  I throw a 
bowline around the cleat, run it to the toe-rail blight, push the hose back in 
place, (yea I haven’t bothered to tie it there as things change) take the line 
back to the dock cleat, easy. The forward spring has an old scrap of fire hose 
for chafe and a snubber too, and goes through the blight about half way to the 
shrouds.  You will play with the spring positions and lines a few times, till 
you can get the boat off the dock and parallel to the dock.  Too far forward 
and I will be pulling the bow away from the dock, too far aft and I’ll hit my 
dinghy.  Hope this makes sense.

When you have it located and tensioned, all sorted out, you can be comfortable 
in 30+ knots.  Then you just have to check the lines on the boats up wind.  
Those rattly little knotted blights have held up for over 8 years, someday I 
will do something prettier, a soft shackel,  or not. . .  Don’t over think it, 
and yes carabiners will eat your toerail, not just the black coating, they will 
chew up the AL rail too.  Look at the stern spinnaker block locations of boats 
that have been heavily raced.  SS will eat AL.

Good luck, Lee
Simplicity in Seattle


> On Jun 18, 2018, at 8:26 34PM, John Conklin via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> On My 1982 37 I have only  bow and stern cleats. There is  no place except 
> the Toe rail to tie My fore and aft spring lines. And I need them  on my 
> docking situation.
> Question - Is this fine to do tie off direct to toe rail with clip of 
> Carabiner ? and what are the methods of attachment? How about Cafe?
>  Do the Toe Rail cleats ( foldable)  they sell work ? or what about the or 
> the cleat for the genoa track ? is this worth the price? Any other thoughts 
> ideas are welcome
> THANKS !
>  
> John Conklin
> s/v Halcyon 
> Oriental NC
>  
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Re: Stus-List Force 10 Oven Thermostat

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

.Sure Marine likely has the parts and advice you need


> On Jun 19, 2018, at 5:26 07AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Has anyone found a way to retrofit an oven thermostat into an older 3 
> burner Force 10 range (circa 1990)?  Newer Force 10 ranges have a thermostat, 
> while older ones do not.
> 
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> C&C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
> ~~~_/)~~
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Re: Stus-List Toe rail tie off

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Thanks again for tall the feedback.
I orders 2 of the foldable from Fisheries they were best price of anyone $77 ea 
vs $99  😊  I will try track cleat as well and see which works better. Although 
they look sweet and I like a lot !   I am not getting 6 of the Wichard bails  
@$97 a pop.  Would like something like this for the toe rail  in a $40 version? 
But Hey its only $money$  right  LOL! Never checked so  just need to determine 
genoa track size on My  37
1X1 1/8 or 1 1/4X 3/16 ?  boat is 3 hrs from here.

John C
S/V Halcyon



From: CnC-List  on behalf of Tom Buscaglia via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:22:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tom Buscaglia
Subject: Stus-List Toe rail tie off

I use a moveable cleat on the very front end of my Genoa track.  The PO had one 
and I picked up one for the other side.  Works great.

https://www.fisheriessupply.com/schaefer-marine-mid-rail-chock-and-cleat

In addition, I have a rail mounted cleat as a back up.

https://www.fisheriessupply.com/johnson-marine-toe-rail-folding-cleat-48-510

And bails.  Three per side.  Two for fenders and one forward for our preventer. 
 I would post a link, but It looks like C.S.Johnson stopped making them.  But 
they sure are handy.

Like these, but a little less fancy. 
https://www.greenboatstuff.com/wiststtopade.html

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


On Jun 19, 2018, at 3:41 AM, 
cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:



Message: 4
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 06:05:54 -0400
From: Dave Godwin mailto:dave.god...@me.com>>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Tie off
Message-ID: 
mailto:c9b86c71-8327-40ad-a40b-566750ea0...@me.com>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

John,

I haven?t given this any thought but obviously I have the same issue. I?ve been 
tying the lines to the toe-rail but this is a PITA and hardly ideal.

I?m re-bedding, re-fitting and adding to my deck hardware at the moment and 
what I may do during this process is purchase a couple of quality cleats and 
simply mount them just inside the toe-rail, allowing for enough clearance for 
large lines,. I?ll back them up with a suitable section 
>
 of G10 painted white. Should do the trick.

I?ll be interested in the solutions offered by the list.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin?s Overdue Refit 
>

On Jun 18, 2018, at 11:26 PM, John Conklin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

On My 1982 37 I have only  bow and stern cleats. There is  no place except the 
Toe rail to tie My fore and aft spring lines. And I need them  on my docking 
situation.
Question - Is this fine to do tie off direct to toe rail with clip of Carabiner 
? and what are the methods of attachment? How about Cafe?
Do the Toe Rail cleats ( foldable)  they sell work ? or what about the or the 
cleat for the genoa track ? is this worth the price? Any other thoughts ideas 
are welcome
THANKS !

John Conklin
s/v Halcyon
Oriental NC
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Re: Stus-List marine insurance

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

+1.  Changed to Progressive from BoatUS this year because BoatUS prices kept 
going up and their coverages kept going down.

On the survey question, I remember doing a “self survey” for BoatUS, and also 
sending them the professional pre-purchase survey I had done on my boat.  For 
Progressive, I also sent the pre-purchase survey.  I haven’t had the boat for 
five years yet, so I don’t know if I’ll get pestered.  My yacht club requires 
proof of insurance for racing, but I don’t think my marina does for slippage.

Incidentally, last Wednesday night I had the wildest race on Grenadine since 
buying her.  Wind jumped from 10mph to 35mph in the snap of a finger, a few 
minutes after the start.  Outflow from a big storm cell to the southeast, I 
think.  I had my drifter (150% lightweight genoa) and full main up for the 
10mph conditions.  We could see the puff on the water but couldn’t tell how 
strong it was until we got in it - we were one of the first boats to get in it. 
 Rounded up hard four times, buried the side deck to the cabintop window, and 
tore the clew cringle out of the drifter before I could even think to change 
headsails.  Managed to maintain position in the race under main alone while we 
switched to the 130.  Then had an accidental gybe and the boom knocked a 
crewman into the cabin (lesson: don’t sail wing and wing in that strong of 
wind).  Still finished second despite the chaos.  Sail is already fixed, 
crewman has recovered.  No lasting damage, some lessons learned, and the 30-1 
proved her stiffness again.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Jun 19, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I changed to Travelers for this reason.
>  
> From: David via CnC-List 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:41 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: David 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List marine insurance
>  
> Nathan,
>  
> FYI...BoatUS now has (they changed carriers last year) an aggressive 
> depreciation schedule to the point that my 1981 model was going to get  no 
> more than 20% of replacement value on parts.
>  
> No happening.  Changed to Berkley through my very good sailor/broker who is 
> local  to you and I.
>  
>  
> David F. Risch, J. D.
> Gulf Stream Associates, LLC  
> (401) 419-4650 
> 
> 
> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Nathan Post via 
> CnC-List 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:34 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Nathan Post
> Subject: Re: Stus-List marine insurance
>  
> I just got a new insurance policy for our 1981 C&C 34 from BoatU.S.  They 
> have not required a survey and the application was pretty straight forward - 
> they did however, want recent detailed pictures of the interior, exterior and 
> rigging of the boat which I was able to e-mail to the agent.  The policy 
> includes coverage for cruising coastal waters of Canada, but I don't know if 
> they offer policies for boats based in Canada.
> Nathan
>  
> ~~~
> Nathan Post
> +1 (781)  605-8671
>  
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> My experience is that insurance companies require a survey when you change 
>> companies/policies.  They haven’t bothered me otherwise.
>>  
>> From: robert via CnC-List 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:06 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> Cc: robert  ; Jeff Bechtel 
>> 
>> Subject: Stus-List marine insurance
>>  
>> Jeff:
>> 
>> My understanding is that most marine insurance companies require a survey 
>> every five (5) years  after a vessel reaches 15 years of age.
>> 
>> I am not allowed to keep a vessel at my club without providing proof of 
>> insurancei.e. for my benefit and every other club member.
>> 
>> Trusting this is helpful.
>> 
>> Rob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C&C 32 - 84
>> Halifax, N.S. 
>> 
>> On 2018-06-19 11:00 AM, Jeff Bechtel via CnC-List wrote:
>>> I'm looking for any advice on marine insurance for a 1977 C&C30 M1 that has 
>>> no current survey. I'm in Toronto, Ontario.
>>> I'd prefer not to pull the boat out of the water until the fall, but all 
>>> the insurance companies want an out of water survey to insure.
>>> Any advice?
>>> Jeff
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List marine insurance

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

Thanks for the heads up David.  I’ll need to investigate that further.  Who is 
your broker?

- -
Nathan Post
+1 781-605-8671

> On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:41 AM, David via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Nathan,
> 
> FYI...BoatUS now has (they changed carriers last year) an aggressive 
> depreciation schedule to the point that my 1981 model was going to get  no 
> more than 20% of replacement value on parts.
> 
> No happening.  Changed to Berkley through my very good sailor/broker who is 
> local  to you and I.
> 
> 
> David F. Risch, J. D.
> 
> Gulf Stream Associates, LLC  
> 
> (401) 419-4650 
> 
> 
>  
> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Nathan Post via 
> CnC-List 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:34 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Nathan Post
> Subject: Re: Stus-List marine insurance
>  
> I just got a new insurance policy for our 1981 C&C 34 from BoatU.S.  They 
> have not required a survey and the application was pretty straight forward - 
> they did however, want recent detailed pictures of the interior, exterior and 
> rigging of the boat which I was able to e-mail to the agent.  The policy 
> includes coverage for cruising coastal waters of Canada, but I don't know if 
> they offer policies for boats based in Canada.
> Nathan
> 
> ~~~
> Nathan Post
> +1 (781)  605-8671
> 
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> My experience is that insurance companies require a survey when you change 
> companies/policies.  They haven’t bothered me otherwise.
>  
> From: robert via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:06 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: robert ; Jeff Bechtel
> Subject: Stus-List marine insurance
>  
> Jeff:
> 
> My understanding is that most marine insurance companies require a survey 
> every five (5) years  after a vessel reaches 15 years of age.
> 
> I am not allowed to keep a vessel at my club without providing proof of 
> insurancei.e. for my benefit and every other club member.
> 
> Trusting this is helpful.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S. 
> 
>> On 2018-06-19 11:00 AM, Jeff Bechtel via CnC-List wrote:
>> I'm looking for any advice on marine insurance for a 1977 C&C30 M1 that has 
>> no current survey. I'm in Toronto, Ontario.
>> I'd prefer not to pull the boat out of the water until the fall, but all the 
>> insurance companies want an out of water survey to insure.
>> Any advice?
>> Jeff
>>  
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List marine insurance

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Randy

Congrats on the second and on finishing in those conditions.

I have one question though.  Since you sail in MPH do you measure ski racing 
speed in knots?

Mike Hoyt
Halifax, NS
Persistence


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy 
Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:49 PM
To: cnc-list
Cc: Randy Stafford
Subject: Re: Stus-List marine insurance

+1.  Changed to Progressive from BoatUS this year because BoatUS prices kept 
going up and their coverages kept going down.

On the survey question, I remember doing a “self survey” for BoatUS, and also 
sending them the professional pre-purchase survey I had done on my boat.  For 
Progressive, I also sent the pre-purchase survey.  I haven’t had the boat for 
five years yet, so I don’t know if I’ll get pestered.  My yacht club requires 
proof of insurance for racing, but I don’t think my marina does for slippage.

Incidentally, last Wednesday night I had the wildest race on Grenadine since 
buying her.  Wind jumped from 10mph to 35mph in the snap of a finger, a few 
minutes after the start.  Outflow from a big storm cell to the southeast, I 
think.  I had my drifter (150% lightweight genoa) and full main up for the 
10mph conditions.  We could see the puff on the water but couldn’t tell how 
strong it was until we got in it - we were one of the first boats to get in it. 
 Rounded up hard four times, buried the side deck to the cabintop window, and 
tore the clew cringle out of the drifter before I could even think to change 
headsails.  Managed to maintain position in the race under main alone while we 
switched to the 130.  Then had an accidental gybe and the boom knocked a 
crewman into the cabin (lesson: don’t sail wing and wing in that strong of 
wind).  Still finished second despite the chaos.  Sail is already fixed, 
crewman has recovered.  No lasting damage, some lessons learned, and the 30-1 
proved her stiffness again.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO


On Jun 19, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I changed to Travelers for this reason.

From: David via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:41 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Stus-List marine insurance

Nathan,

FYI...BoatUS now has (they changed carriers last year) an aggressive 
depreciation schedule to the point that my 1981 model was going to get  no more 
than 20% of replacement value on parts.

No happening.  Changed to Berkley through my very good sailor/broker who is 
local  to you and I.


David F. Risch, J. D.
Gulf Stream Associates, LLC
(401) 419-4650


From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf 
of Nathan Post via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:34 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Nathan Post
Subject: Re: Stus-List marine insurance

I just got a new insurance policy for our 1981 C&C 34 from BoatU.S.  They have 
not required a survey and the application was pretty straight forward - they 
did however, want recent detailed pictures of the interior, exterior and 
rigging of the boat which I was able to e-mail to the agent.  The policy 
includes coverage for cruising coastal waters of Canada, but I don't know if 
they offer policies for boats based in Canada.
Nathan

~~~
Nathan Post
+1 (781)  605-8671

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

My experience is that insurance companies require a survey when you change 
companies/policies.  They haven’t bothered me otherwise.

From: robert via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:06 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert ; Jeff 
Bechtel
Subject: Stus-List marine insurance

Jeff:

My understanding is that most marine insurance companies require a survey every 
five (5) years  after a vessel reaches 15 years of age.

I am not allowed to keep a vessel at my club without providing proof of 
insurancei.e. for my benefit and every other club member.

Trusting this is helpful.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2018-06-19 11:00 AM, Jeff Bechtel via CnC-List wrote:
I'm looking for any advice on marine insurance for a 1977 C&C30 M1 that has no 
current survey. I'm in Toronto, Ontario.
I'd prefer not to pull the boat out of the water until the fall, but all the 
insurance companies want an out of water survey to insure.
Any advice?
Jeff




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Re: Stus-List how to search the archives and marine insurance

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Jeff,

Check with Andrew Robertson at Skippers Plan, if they require an out of the 
water survey – or if they will accept one done afloat.


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Bechtel 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:00 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jeff Bechtel 
Subject: Stus-List how to search the archives and marine insurance

I'm looking for any advice on marine insurance for a 1977 C&C30 M1 that has no 
current survey. I'm in Toronto, Ontario.
I'd prefer not to pull the boat out of the water until the fall, but all the 
insurance companies want an out of water survey to insure.
Any advice?
Jeff

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Stus-List Free Sails for C&C 37+

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

I have two jibs that I don't use and will give them to anyone willing to
pick them up in Annapolis, MD.  Below are links to photos and specs for each
sail.

.   98% Kevlar Jib - https://1drv.ms/f/s!AhpB-lul9d5YrkeG82Ht0IpjLOc5

o   Luff = 51'-5"

o   Foot = 15'-8"

o   Leach = 49'

.   155% Light Kevlar Genoa -
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AhpB-lul9d5YrkZsSamLMQtUGi1y

o   Luff = 52'

o   Foot = 24'-9"

o   Leach = 50'-6"

I took these sails to Bacon Sails last March and after several inquiries
they finally said the sails had no value because supposedly they were
de-laminating.  When I left the sails off, the preliminary inspection did
not show any delamination nor did I see any when the photos were taken.  It
is not practical for me to pick up the sails and it would be a shame to
dispose of them.  I'd feel much better if someone could put them to good use
(or at least store them in their attic).   

Please contact me off line ASAP if you are interested.  I will make
arrangements so you can pick up one or both.  

Thanks,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C&C 37+

Bristol, RI

  ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

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Re: Stus-List C&C34 Water tank hatch covers

[Wade Glew via CnC-List]

I had to replace these on a C&C 30 Mk II a few years ago. It was a 1986 but
I believe C&C had the same tank manufacturer forever. The company name was
embossed faintly on the screw on port caps which I then used to Google
search and source new ones (which were very inexpensive by the way). If my
memory serves me (less so anymore) the name was Krakor?  I can look on my
boat this weekend
Wade
33 Mk II
Oh Boy

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 07:01 Nathan Post via CnC-List, 
wrote:

> The domestic fresh water tank (I assume original) on my 1981 C&C 34 has
> two ports in the top with screw in covers with 3.5" diameter threads.  The
> covers have degraded to the point that they no longer thread in (the
> plastic has shrunk - probably due to a chemical used by the previous owner
> or perhaps just time and heat.  The outer threads seem to be in good shape
> but I have been unable to find a replacement port cover of the same size.
> Any suggestions on there on where to find these covers so I don't need to
> cut the whole thing out and install new plate assemblies?
>
> Nathan
> S/V Wisper
> 1981 C&C 34
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Re: Stus-List marine insurance

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Last Wednesday a storm blew through Ontario also. I was not sure if RC would 
start a race but a
few boats showed up so the set a 1.8 mile leg once around. I knew the wind was 
up, sustained over
20 kts so went out with a 90% blade and full main. After a couple of gusts we 
reefed the main.


It hit 42 kts upwind but balance was OK. Boat windage is pretty high and even 
with only 3 miles fetch
the waves were surprisingly hard so we angled off a bit to not pound so much.  
We average around
5.4 kts upwind ( not VMG ) which surprised me. Tacking was an art, needed to 
bow down slightly to
get 6 knots before coming up.


Downwind was harder, had to run wider angles to depower the main. I think if it 
was possible to drop
it we would have and run the jib only. Top speed when a square wave caught us 
and pushed was 10.9 kts,
think that was the fastest I have seen Windburn go.


We corrected over the bigger boats that had a much faster downwind, including a 
Bene 36.7, J/105 and J/35.
The only boat that is similar to us is a C&C 3/4 ton ( race version of the 33 ) 
which we beat by over an hour level.


Two waves, or maybe spray, got lifted so much they blew over the boat without 
soaking us. I have no idea what
the winds got to because during the 42+ knot gust the end of the MHU blew off. 
When the wind lifts the spray
off the waves it is usually above 45 knots as a guess.


For most boats docking was just as exciting.


http://www.thenyc.com/display-race/NWIyOTQwMTk2YWZjZjkuNTY5NTQ5MjA0NDc,/



Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1




Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 10:49:18 -0600 
From: Randy Stafford  

+1.  Changed to Progressive from BoatUS this year because BoatUS prices kept 
going up and their coverages kept going down. 
 
On the survey question, I remember doing a ?self survey? for BoatUS, and also 
sending them the professional pre-purchase survey I had done on my boat.  For 
Progressive, I also sent the pre-purchase survey.  I haven?t had the boat for 
five years yet, so I don?t know if I?ll get pestered.  My yacht club requires 
proof of insurance for racing, but I don?t think my marina does for slippage. 
 
Incidentally, last Wednesday night I had the wildest race on Grenadine since 
buying her.  Wind jumped from 10mph to 35mph in the snap of a finger, a few 
minutes after the start.  Outflow from a big storm cell to the southeast, I 
think.  I had my drifter (150% lightweight genoa) and full main up for the 
10mph conditions.  We could see the puff on the water but couldn?t tell how 
strong it was until we got in it - we were one of the first boats to get in it. 
 Rounded up hard four times, buried the side deck to the cabintop window, and 
tore the clew cringle out of the drifter before I could even think to change 
headsails.  Managed to maintain position in the race under main alone while we 
switched to the 130.  Then had an accidental gybe and the boom knocked a 
crewman into the cabin (lesson: don?t sail wing and wing in that strong of 
wind).  Still finished second despite the chaos.  Sail is already fixed, 
crewman has recovered.  No lasting damage, some lessons learned, and the 30-1 
prov 
 e 
 d her stiffness again. 
 
Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 
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Re: Stus-List marine insurance

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Holy crap!  Almost 11 kts in a 30-1!  Nice race, Michael!

Cheers,
Randy

> On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:57 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Last Wednesday a storm blew through Ontario also. I was not sure if RC would 
> start a race but a
> few boats showed up so the set a 1.8 mile leg once around. I knew the wind 
> was up, sustained over
> 20 kts so went out with a 90% blade and full main. After a couple of gusts we 
> reefed the main.
> 
> It hit 42 kts upwind but balance was OK. Boat windage is pretty high and even 
> with only 3 miles fetch
> the waves were surprisingly hard so we angled off a bit to not pound so much. 
>  We average around
> 5.4 kts upwind ( not VMG ) which surprised me. Tacking was an art, needed to 
> bow down slightly to
> get 6 knots before coming up.
> 
> Downwind was harder, had to run wider angles to depower the main. I think if 
> it was possible to drop
> it we would have and run the jib only. Top speed when a square wave caught us 
> and pushed was 10.9 kts,
> think that was the fastest I have seen Windburn go.
> 
> We corrected over the bigger boats that had a much faster downwind, including 
> a Bene 36.7, J/105 and J/35.
> The only boat that is similar to us is a C&C 3/4 ton ( race version of the 33 
> ) which we beat by over an hour level.
> 
> Two waves, or maybe spray, got lifted so much they blew over the boat without 
> soaking us. I have no idea what
> the winds got to because during the 42+ knot gust the end of the MHU blew 
> off. When the wind lifts the spray
> off the waves it is usually above 45 knots as a guess.
> 
> For most boats docking was just as exciting.
> 
> http://www.thenyc.com/display-race/NWIyOTQwMTk2YWZjZjkuNTY5NTQ5MjA0NDc,/
> 
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C&C 30-1
> 
> 
> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 10:49:18 -0600 
> From: Randy Stafford  
> 
> +1.  Changed to Progressive from BoatUS this year because BoatUS prices kept 
> going up and their coverages kept going down. 
> 
> On the survey question, I remember doing a ?self survey? for BoatUS, and also 
> sending them the professional pre-purchase survey I had done on my boat.  For 
> Progressive, I also sent the pre-purchase survey.  I haven?t had the boat for 
> five years yet, so I don?t know if I?ll get pestered.  My yacht club requires 
> proof of insurance for racing, but I don?t think my marina does for slippage. 
> 
> Incidentally, last Wednesday night I had the wildest race on Grenadine since 
> buying her.  Wind jumped from 10mph to 35mph in the snap of a finger, a few 
> minutes after the start.  Outflow from a big storm cell to the southeast, I 
> think.  I had my drifter (150% lightweight genoa) and full main up for the 
> 10mph conditions.  We could see the puff on the water but couldn?t tell how 
> strong it was until we got in it - we were one of the first boats to get in 
> it.  Rounded up hard four times, buried the side deck to the cabintop window, 
> and tore the clew cringle out of the drifter before I could even think to 
> change headsails.  Managed to maintain position in the race under main alone 
> while we switched to the 130.  Then had an accidental gybe and the boom 
> knocked a crewman into the cabin (lesson: don?t sail wing and wing in that 
> strong of wind).  Still finished second despite the chaos.  Sail is already 
> fixed, crewman has recovered.  No lasting damage, some lessons learned, and 
> the 30-1 prov 
> e 
> d her stiffness again. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> Randy Stafford 
> S/V Grenadine 
> C&C 30-1 #7 
> Ken Caryl, CO 
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Re: Stus-List C&C34 Water tank hatch covers

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Hello all,
Below is the text from a post I made earlier this year regarding the caps for 
C&C water tanks:
After striking out at our local RV store and online searches, I called Kracor 
tanks.  They told me in no uncertain terms they only work with boat 
manufacturers, not individuals.  They tried to tell me to call C&C.  Finally I 
got connected with someone back in the shop who directed me to: 

Claires Marine Outfitters2921 SW 2nd Ave, 
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33315(954) 523-4301
They had them in stock, $10 apiece plus shipping.
You may want to make a note of this if you think you'll need a cap someday.
As it turns out the lip on one of my caps is bent up, and as a result the cap 
itself is leaking through a crack.  Thus the need for the replacement.  

By the way, I took the advice of getting x type o-rings, and for about $10 I 
got a package of 10.  They work great and seal much better than the original 
gasket/o-rings.  I got them through McMaster Carr.  

Thanks everyone for the help, 
 Bruce Whitmore
1994 C&C 37/40+"Astralis"
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net

  From: Wade Glew via CnC-List 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Wade Glew 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:50 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C34 Water tank hatch covers
   
I had to replace these on a C&C 30 Mk II a few years ago. It was a 1986 but I 
believe C&C had the same tank manufacturer forever. The company name was 
embossed faintly on the screw on port caps which I then used to Google search 
and source new ones (which were very inexpensive by the way). If my memory 
serves me (less so anymore) the name was Krakor?  I can look on my boat this 
weekendWade33 Mk IIOh Boy
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 07:01 Nathan Post via CnC-List,  
wrote:

The domestic fresh water tank (I assume original) on my 1981 C&C 34 has two 
ports in the top with screw in covers with 3.5" diameter threads.  The covers 
have degraded to the point that they no longer thread in (the plastic has 
shrunk - probably due to a chemical used by the previous owner or perhaps just 
time and heat.  The outer threads seem to be in good shape but I have been 
unable to find a replacement port cover of the same size.  Any suggestions on 
there on where to find these covers so I don't need to cut the whole thing out 
and install new plate assemblies?
NathanS/V Wisper1981 C&C 34
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Re: Stus-List marine insurance

[David via CnC-List]

Kevin Malloy  339 933 0666


David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650



From: CnC-List  on behalf of Nathan Post via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Nathan Post
Subject: Re: Stus-List marine insurance

Thanks for the heads up David.  I’ll need to investigate that further.  Who is 
your broker?

- -
Nathan Post
+1 781-605-8671

On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:41 AM, David via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Nathan,


FYI...BoatUS now has (they changed carriers last year) an aggressive 
depreciation schedule to the point that my 1981 model was going to get  no more 
than 20% of replacement value on parts.


No happening.  Changed to Berkley through my very good sailor/broker who is 
local  to you and I.



David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650



From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf 
of Nathan Post via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:34 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Nathan Post
Subject: Re: Stus-List marine insurance

I just got a new insurance policy for our 1981 C&C 34 from BoatU.S.  They have 
not required a survey and the application was pretty straight forward - they 
did however, want recent detailed pictures of the interior, exterior and 
rigging of the boat which I was able to e-mail to the agent.  The policy 
includes coverage for cruising coastal waters of Canada, but I don't know if 
they offer policies for boats based in Canada.
Nathan

~~~
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+1 (781)  605-8671

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
My experience is that insurance companies require a survey when you change 
companies/policies.  They haven’t bothered me otherwise.

From: robert via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:06 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert ; Jeff 
Bechtel
Subject: Stus-List marine insurance

Jeff:

My understanding is that most marine insurance companies require a survey every 
five (5) years  after a vessel reaches 15 years of age.

I am not allowed to keep a vessel at my club without providing proof of 
insurancei.e. for my benefit and every other club member.

Trusting this is helpful.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2018-06-19 11:00 AM, Jeff Bechtel via CnC-List wrote:
I'm looking for any advice on marine insurance for a 1977 C&C30 M1 that has no 
current survey. I'm in Toronto, Ontario.
I'd prefer not to pull the boat out of the water until the fall, but all the 
insurance companies want an out of water survey to insure.
Any advice?
Jeff




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Re: Stus-List how to search the archives and marine insurance

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

FWIW, and I’m not promoting 1 over the other, but I was dealing with Skippers 
Plan and changed over to Gateway Insurance.


/J

> On Jun 19, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Paul Fountain  wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
>  
> Check with Andrew Robertson at Skippers Plan, if they require an out of the 
> water survey – or if they will accept one done afloat.
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jeff 
> Bechtel via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:00 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Jeff Bechtel 
> Subject: Stus-List how to search the archives and marine insurance
>  
> I'm looking for any advice on marine insurance for a 1977 C&C30 M1 that has 
> no current survey. I'm in Toronto, Ontario.
> I'd prefer not to pull the boat out of the water until the fall, but all the 
> insurance companies want an out of water survey to insure.
> Any advice?
> Jeff
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Re: Stus-List Free Sails for C&C 37+

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Ron,

Any chance Bacon would pack/ship & bill me to have them sent to NC?

Thanks,
Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C&C37+ "The Edge"
Surf City, NC


On 6/19/2018 1:49 PM, Ron Ricci via CnC-List wrote:


I have two jibs that I don’t use and will give them to anyone willing 
to pick them up in Annapolis, MD.  Below are links to photos and specs 
for each sail.


·98% Kevlar Jib - https://1drv.ms/f/s!AhpB-lul9d5YrkeG82Ht0IpjLOc5 



oLuff = 51'-5"

oFoot = 15'-8"

oLeach = 49'

·155% Light Kevlar Genoa - 
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AhpB-lul9d5YrkZsSamLMQtUGi1y 



oLuff = 52'

oFoot = 24'-9"

oLeach = 50'-6"

I took these sails to Bacon Sails last March and after several 
inquiries they finally said the sails had no value because supposedly 
they were de-laminating.  When I left the sails off, the preliminary 
inspection did not show any delamination nor did I see any when the 
photos were taken.  It is not practical for me to pick up the sails 
and it would be a shame to dispose of them.  I’d feel much better if 
someone could put them to good use (or at least store them in their 
attic).


Please contact me off line ASAP if you are interested.  I will make 
arrangements so you can pick up one or both.


Thanks,

/Ron/

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C&C 37+

Bristol, RI

ron.ri...@1968.usna.com 



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Re: Stus-List Free Sails for C&C 37+

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I can pickup and store if needed.  I'll be there tomorrow.  Correct me if I
am wrong but as I recall you have the standard rig.  I have the tall triple
spreader rig so they would fit but only with a strap on the tack.

All the best,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:50 PM Ron Ricci via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I have two jibs that I don’t use and will give them to anyone willing to
> pick them up in Annapolis, MD.  Below are links to photos and specs for
> each sail.
>
> ·   98% Kevlar Jib - https://1drv.ms/f/s!AhpB-lul9d5YrkeG82Ht0IpjLOc5
>
> o   Luff = 51'-5"
>
> o   Foot = 15'-8"
>
> o   Leach = 49'
>
> ·   155% Light Kevlar Genoa -
> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AhpB-lul9d5YrkZsSamLMQtUGi1y
>
> o   Luff = 52'
>
> o   Foot = 24'-9"
>
> o   Leach = 50'-6"
>
> I took these sails to Bacon Sails last March and after several inquiries
> they finally said the sails had no value because supposedly they were
> de-laminating.  When I left the sails off, the preliminary inspection did
> not show any delamination nor did I see any when the photos were taken.  It
> is not practical for me to pick up the sails and it would be a shame to
> dispose of them.  I’d feel much better if someone could put them to good
> use (or at least store them in their attic).
>
> Please contact me off line ASAP if you are interested.  I will make
> arrangements so you can pick up one or both.
>
> Thanks,
>
> *Ron*
>
> Ron Ricci
>
> S/V Patriot
>
> C&C 37+
>
> Bristol, RI
>
> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com
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Re: Stus-List C&C34 Water tank hatch covers

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

Yes, they are made by Kracor - I wasn't able to figure that out at first as
some of the letters were worn off but it does look like what that says.
Thanks!  And Bruce, thanks for the link to Claire's - looks like they have
them and even have an online store:
https://marine-outfitters.com/products/kracor

The x type o-rings from are a good suggestion as well - I have used them in
other applications with good success.
Nathan

~~~
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+1 (781)  605-8671

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Below is the text from a post I made earlier this year regarding the caps
> for C&C water tanks:
> After striking out at our local RV store and online searches, I called
> Kracor tanks.  They told me in no uncertain terms they only work with boat
> manufacturers, not individuals.  They tried to tell me to call C&C.
> Finally I got connected with someone back in the shop who directed me to:
>
> Claires Marine Outfitters
> 2921 SW 2nd Ave,
> Fort Lauderdale, FL 33315
> (954) 523-4301
>
> They had them in stock, $10 apiece plus shipping.
>
> You may want to make a note of this if you think you'll need a cap someday.
>
> As it turns out the lip on one of my caps is bent up, and as a result the
> cap itself is leaking through a crack.  Thus the need for the replacement.
>
> By the way, I took the advice of getting x type o-rings, and for about $10
> I got a package of 10.  They work great and seal much better than the
> original gasket/o-rings.  I got them through McMaster Carr.
>
> Thanks everyone for the help,
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C&C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
> --
> *From:* Wade Glew via CnC-List 
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Wade Glew 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:50 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C34 Water tank hatch covers
>
> I had to replace these on a C&C 30 Mk II a few years ago. It was a 1986
> but I believe C&C had the same tank manufacturer forever. The company name
> was embossed faintly on the screw on port caps which I then used to Google
> search and source new ones (which were very inexpensive by the way). If my
> memory serves me (less so anymore) the name was Krakor?  I can look on my
> boat this weekend
> Wade
> 33 Mk II
> Oh Boy
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 07:01 Nathan Post via CnC-List, <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> The domestic fresh water tank (I assume original) on my 1981 C&C 34 has
> two ports in the top with screw in covers with 3.5" diameter threads.  The
> covers have degraded to the point that they no longer thread in (the
> plastic has shrunk - probably due to a chemical used by the previous owner
> or perhaps just time and heat.  The outer threads seem to be in good shape
> but I have been unable to find a replacement port cover of the same size.
> Any suggestions on there on where to find these covers so I don't need to
> cut the whole thing out and install new plate assemblies?
>
> Nathan
> S/V Wisper
> 1981 C&C 34
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Stus-List Yanmar 3hmf

[pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List]

This is a big ask, but my service manuals for the Yanmar 3HMF with Kanzaki 
KBW10E transmission are on the boat, which is 4+ hrs away.  

 

I need to replace the dampening disk and am hoping someone on the list has 
manuals and can send me torque specs and any other disassembly/assembly 
instructions the manuals may provide.  I would like to be sure I have all the 
needed tools when I next go up for the repair.  Any other ad hoc advice is 
appreciated.

 

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Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3hmf

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I think this will do it for you Pete.  Let me know if there is anything
specific which isn't covered.  I can look it up personally.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yTkdrWTZVX3hRM28

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
Yanmar 3HM35F



On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 6:43 PM pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> This is a big ask, but my service manuals for the Yanmar 3HMF with Kanzaki
> KBW10E transmission are on the boat, which is 4+ hrs away.
>
>
>
> I need to replace the dampening disk and am hoping someone on the list has
> manuals and can send me torque specs and any other disassembly/assembly
> instructions the manuals may provide.  I would like to be sure I have all
> the needed tools when I next go up for the repair.  Any other ad hoc advice
> is appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: Stus-List El Faro

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Riveting. It certainly is a reminder of the absolute power of nature and
our vulnerability.

--
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813 748 4888 cel/text

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 9:40 AM, Dan via CnC-List 
wrote:

> kept me glued to my screen for 30 minutes when I should have been reading
> work emails lol - Captivating and sad. Numbs the senses..
>
> Dan
>
> On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 9:41 AM, John Irvin via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Incredible story. Thanks for posting.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 27, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Not C&C related, but certainly maritime related - dramatic story about
>> the El Faro, a 1970s container ship that was lost at sea on October 1st,
>> 2015 in Hurricane Joaquin:
>> https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/04/inside-el-faro-the-
>> worst-us-maritime-disaster-in-decades
>>
>> Hope all you C&C'ers are well.
>>
>> Steve
>>
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3hmf

[Rick Rohwer via CnC-List]

I will try to get down to the boat before morning.  Sounds like the same rig.
> On Jun 19, 2018, at 3:42 PM, pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List 
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> This is a big ask, but my service manuals for the Yanmar 3HMF with Kanzaki 
> KBW10E transmission are on the boat, which is 4+ hrs away.  
>  
> I need to replace the dampening disk and am hoping someone on the list has 
> manuals and can send me torque specs and any other disassembly/assembly 
> instructions the manuals may provide.  I would like to be sure I have all the 
> needed tools when I next go up for the repair.  Any other ad hoc advice is 
> appreciated.
>  
> Thanks in advance.
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