Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mast Step Support Rebuild Project Write-Up

[Mike Casey via CnC-List]

What a fantastic story and great technical guide. The PO of my boat did
this, but it was a bit of a mystery and I have never checked what he did. I
will now.
Your guide should be put in the technical part of the cncphotoalbum.

Mike Casey
C&C 30 1980 #636
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> So, an update on this, almost eight months later (after a full season of
> racing and sailing on the new mast step supports).
>
> Since it was sunny and 60 degrees again in Denver yesterday, I went down
> to the boat and pulled the mast step to inspect underneath.  At the end of
> my write-up, linked below, I put a section titled “Did it Work?”  I think I
> can now say with confidence that yes, it did work.  The new mast step
> supports, on inspection today, were still solid as rock.  The bond to the
> bilge shoulders is solid as rock.  The damn things are part of the boat
> now.  The last four photos at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-
> NqAxQ6JxFTSzRLbFo0NDl6U1E are what it looked like after pulling the mast
> step today, after one season’s use.
>
> Some hard work last offseason, but worth it.  The boat needed it and
> deserved it.  This offseason I’ll adjust the location and shimming of the
> mast step slightly, to achieve better centering in the mast collar next
> year.
>
> Best Regards,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
> On Apr 26, 2017, at 3:39 PM, RANDY  wrote:
>
> Listers-
>
> I put a write-up of my mast step support rebuild project this spring at
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTUlhmbUs4YTZlZnM.  It's an
> 8.5MB PDF because it has 23 pictures in it.  Hope it can be of as much help
> to the C&C community as the C&C community has been to me.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grendine
> C&C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Replacing shifter cable

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Don,

Do not take apart the Pedestal to replace the cables.  You will need to remove 
the compass and the engine control cylinder but there’s no need to take apart 
the wheel shaft (if you have, go ahead and replace and lubricate the shaft 
bearings once you’re in there with Teflon grease, not petroleum grease).   I’ve 
attached Edson’s instructions on replacing the cables and if anyone needs to be 
walked through the process, simply call Edson 508-995-9711 and Ken Martin will 
happily help you through the process.

http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/PDFs/installation/EB396EngineControlInstr.PDF

 

The process is not intuitive so it is best to read the directions first.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

83 Landfall 35

 

 

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 9:13 PM
To: C&C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Replacing shifter cable

 

I had to completely disassemble my binnacle when I did mine.  I can't imagine 
any other way.  Despite only needing to do the throttle cable I chose to do 
both so as to avoid the need to disassemble in the near future.

 

Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C&C 37+

Solomons, MD

 

 

 

On Dec 9, 2017 8:28 PM, "DON JONSSON via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

On our C&C we have replaced the motor and now need to replace the shifter 
cable.  It is a C&C 34 with a throttle on one side and the shifter on port.  
The secret is how to disconnect the shifter lever from the cable with out 
ripping everything apart on the binnacle.  We don't know the secret.  Does 
anyone?  I suspect trying to take the pin out that goes through the u-joint on 
the end of the cable holding it to the lever with needle nose pliers will end 
badly.  Trying to put it back together even worse.  First attempt at removing 
the screws/bolts holding the top plate down around the compass on the binnacle 
did not bode well.

Thanks for any help.

Don Jonsson
C&C 34, Victoria

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Re: Stus-List Replacing shifter cable

[mike amirault via CnC-List]

Don, I have replaced both the shifter and the throttle cable on my C&C33ii.
(Edson pedestal)  Disconnecting the cable from the levers is probably the
easiest part of the job. The two big issues I ran into were: 1. The cables
are strapped to the rear of the pedestal via a special clamp. If you have an
acorn nut about a foot down on the stern side of the pedestal, you have this
clip. Removing it is easy; just remove the acorn nut and the bolt will slip
inside the pedestal. However, reinstalling the clip is nearly impossible
without removing the chain drive for the steering.  2. When I tried to
reinsert the new cables through the deck, the ends would not pass through
the hole, there was just no wiggle room below decks to allow the cables to
be inserted. This meant dropping the sheave plate, removing the pedestal and
making a larger hole in the deck for the cables to pass through. After that,
it is just a matter of reassembling everything and ensuring that the cables
are clear of the steering chain/cables.

The arrangement on your C&C34 may be a little different. Good luck.

 

Mike Amirault

C&C33ii Lovely Cruise

SMSC

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mast Step Support Rebuild Project Write-Up

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The 30-1 and 35-1 suffer from the same issue and the fix is pretty similar. I 
did mine in 1995 I think and it wasn’t real expensive in $$, but it was a lot 
of time with a chisel getting semi-rotted wood out. I still don’t get why C&C 
did such a bad job with this, doing it the right way at build time would have 
cost maybe $20 extra.



Joe Della Barba
Coquina C&C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mike Casey 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 7:19 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Mike Casey 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mast Step Support Rebuild Project Write-Up

What a fantastic story and great technical guide. The PO of my boat did this, 
but it was a bit of a mystery and I have never checked what he did. I will now.
Your guide should be put in the technical part of the cncphotoalbum.

Mike Casey
C&C 30 1980 #636
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
So, an update on this, almost eight months later (after a full season of racing 
and sailing on the new mast step supports).

Since it was sunny and 60 degrees again in Denver yesterday, I went down to the 
boat and pulled the mast step to inspect underneath.  At the end of my 
write-up, linked below, I put a section titled “Did it Work?”  I think I can 
now say with confidence that yes, it did work.  The new mast step supports, on 
inspection today, were still solid as rock.  The bond to the bilge shoulders is 
solid as rock.  The damn things are part of the boat now.  The last four photos 
at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTSzRLbFo0NDl6U1E are what it 
looked like after pulling the mast step today, after one season’s use.

Some hard work last offseason, but worth it.  The boat needed it and deserved 
it.  This offseason I’ll adjust the location and shimming of the mast step 
slightly, to achieve better centering in the mast collar next year.

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

On Apr 26, 2017, at 3:39 PM, RANDY 
mailto:randy.staff...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Listers-

I put a write-up of my mast step support rebuild project this spring at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTUlhmbUs4YTZlZnM.  It's an 8.5MB 
PDF because it has 23 pictures in it.  Hope it can be of as much help to the 
C&C community as the C&C community has been to me.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grendine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO


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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mast Step Support Rebuild Project Write-Up

[Nauset Beach via CnC-List]

Apparently many Sabres have the same issue – on a similar email group to this 
one they call it “the dreaded mast step disease.”  Wood stringers wrapped in 
fiberglass under the mast step and then drilled limber holes through the wood.  
Does not take a genius to see any water would soak the wood and eventually 
cause rot.  

 

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Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 9:46 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mast Step Support Rebuild Project Write-Up

 

The 30-1 and 35-1 suffer from the same issue and the fix is pretty similar. I 
did mine in 1995 I think and it wasn’t real expensive in $$, but it was a lot 
of time with a chisel getting semi-rotted wood out. I still don’t get why C&C 
did such a bad job with this, doing it the right way at build time would have 
cost maybe $20 extra.

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Stus-List How to join list

[Doug Welch via CnC-List]

A friend's just acquired a C and C and would like to join the list. Could 
someone point me to instructions on how to join?
CheersDoug WelchCeltic Knot33-2 c/b

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mast Step Support Rebuild Project Write-Up

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Pearson avoided the problem by having the base of the mast in the bilge, so
only the mast rotted.  Others also used that technique.

Joel



On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Apparently many Sabres have the same issue – on a similar email group to
> this one they call it “the dreaded mast step disease.”  Wood stringers
> wrapped in fiberglass under the mast step and then drilled limber holes
> through the wood.  Does not take a genius to see any water would soak the
> wood and eventually cause rot.
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2017 9:46 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mast Step Support Rebuild Project Write-Up
>
>
>
> The 30-1 and 35-1 suffer from the same issue and the fix is pretty
> similar. I did mine in 1995 I think and it wasn’t real expensive in $$, but
> it was a lot of time with a chisel getting semi-rotted wood out. I still
> don’t get why C&C did such a bad job with this, doing it the right way at
> build time would have cost maybe $20 extra.
>
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Re: Stus-List How to join list

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/

Look at menu on left, scroll down to "Email discussion list/suscribe"

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove NY


On 12/11/2017 10:40 AM, Doug Welch via CnC-List wrote:
A friend's just acquired a C and C and would like to join the list. 
Could someone point me to instructions on how to join?


Cheers
Doug Welch
Celtic Knot
33-2 c/b

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mast Step Support Rebuild Project Write-Up

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

You guys are making me nervous.

From: Nauset Beach via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 10:40 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Nauset Beach 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mast Step Support Rebuild Project Write-Up

Apparently many Sabres have the same issue – on a similar email group to this 
one they call it “the dreaded mast step disease.”  Wood stringers wrapped in 
fiberglass under the mast step and then drilled limber holes through the wood.  
Does not take a genius to see any water would soak the wood and eventually 
cause rot.  

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 9:46 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mast Step Support Rebuild Project Write-Up

 

The 30-1 and 35-1 suffer from the same issue and the fix is pretty similar. I 
did mine in 1995 I think and it wasn’t real expensive in $$, but it was a lot 
of time with a chisel getting semi-rotted wood out. I still don’t get why C&C 
did such a bad job with this, doing it the right way at build time would have 
cost maybe $20 extra.




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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mast Step Support Rebuild Project Write-Up

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The $1 solution was sealing the hole and the $20 solution was having the mast 
step span the gap so the wood was not acting like a bridge over the bilge with 
weight in the center. My new ½” aluminum plate over the new wood spans the 
width of the bilge and does try and bend the wood.

Joe
Coquina


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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 10:47 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mast Step Support Rebuild Project Write-Up

Pearson avoided the problem by having the base of the mast in the bilge, so 
only the mast rotted.  Others also used that technique.

Joel



On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Apparently many Sabres have the same issue – on a similar email group to this 
one they call it “the dreaded mast step disease.”  Wood stringers wrapped in 
fiberglass under the mast step and then drilled limber holes through the wood.  
Does not take a genius to see any water would soak the wood and eventually 
cause rot.

From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 9:46 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mast Step Support Rebuild Project Write-Up

The 30-1 and 35-1 suffer from the same issue and the fix is pretty similar. I 
did mine in 1995 I think and it wasn’t real expensive in $$, but it was a lot 
of time with a chisel getting semi-rotted wood out. I still don’t get why C&C 
did such a bad job with this, doing it the right way at build time would have 
cost maybe $20 extra.

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Re: Stus-List Replacing shifter cable - but

[DON JONSSON via CnC-List]

Hi

Thanks to comments on replacing shifter cable.  The catch is I'm not sure the 
binnacle is an Edson.  The shifters are not mounted in the side of the binnacle 
and the cables do not run up and down inside the binnacle.  Rather they run up 
through the binnacle support/protector stainless tubes.  There are four 
supports on this boat, two fore and two aft of the binnacle.  The cables run up 
the aft tubes, one on either side.

Does anyone have experience with this set up?  Where is the clamp that is 
holding the cable?

Thanks
Don


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On Dec 11, 2017, at 4:57 AM, Chuck Gilchrest  wrote:

Don,
Do not take apart the Pedestal to replace the cables.  You will need to remove 
the compass and the engine control cylinder but there’s no need to take apart 
the wheel shaft (if you have, go ahead and replace and lubricate the shaft 
bearings once you’re in there with Teflon grease, not petroleum grease).   I’ve 
attached Edson’s instructions on replacing the cables and if anyone needs to be 
walked through the process, simply call Edson 508-995-9711 and Ken Martin will 
happily help you through the process.
http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/PDFs/installation/EB396EngineControlInstr.PDF
 
The process is not intuitive so it is best to read the directions first.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
83 Landfall 35
 
 
 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 9:13 PM
To: C&C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Replacing shifter cable
 
I had to completely disassemble my binnacle when I did mine.  I can't imagine 
any other way.  Despite only needing to do the throttle cable I chose to do 
both so as to avoid the need to disassemble in the near future.
 
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
 
 
 
On Dec 9, 2017 8:28 PM, "DON JONSSON via CnC-List"  
wrote:
On our C&C we have replaced the motor and now need to replace the shifter 
cable.  It is a C&C 34 with a throttle on one side and the shifter on port.  
The secret is how to disconnect the shifter lever from the cable with out 
ripping everything apart on the binnacle.  We don't know the secret.  Does 
anyone?  I suspect trying to take the pin out that goes through the u-joint on 
the end of the cable holding it to the lever with needle nose pliers will end 
badly.  Trying to put it back together even worse.  First attempt at removing 
the screws/bolts holding the top plate down around the compass on the binnacle 
did not bode well.

Thanks for any help.

Don Jonsson
C&C 34, Victoria

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Re: Stus-List Replacing shifter cable - but

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Don — that’s most likely the older Edson system, with the narrower riser tube 
on the pedestal; Chuck Gilchrest will know the model number (301?).  That’s a 
completely different animal, and something I don’t think Edson has sold for 35 
years or more.  The system was in place on my LF38 when I bought her; I’ve 
since replaced the entire pedestal, as I wanted the different control scheme 
and also needed to fit a wheel pilot (something you couldn’t do on the 
four-tube system).

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Dec 11, 2017, at 9:54 AM, DON JONSSON via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Thanks to comments on replacing shifter cable.  The catch is I'm not sure the 
> binnacle is an Edson.  The shifters are not mounted in the side of the 
> binnacle and the cables do not run up and down inside the binnacle.  Rather 
> they run up through the binnacle support/protector stainless tubes.  There 
> are four supports on this boat, two fore and two aft of the binnacle.  The 
> cables run up the aft tubes, one on either side.
> 
> Does anyone have experience with this set up?  Where is the clamp that is 
> holding the cable?
> 
> Thanks
> Don

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Stus-List C&C Photo Album owners database

[Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List]

Does anyone know how to edit a post in the owners database? I can't see an edit 
option. I also notice a few double postings.
Thanks
Brad
Pulse C&C 33 Mk II

Anything worth doing requires sails!~~~_/)~~~
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Stus-List C&C Photo Album owners database

[Stu via CnC-List]

At this time, the only way to edit or delete an entry in the database is
to send me an email and I will make the changes for you.

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On Mon, December 11, 2017 11:22 am, Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List wrote:
> Does anyone know how to edit a post in the owners database? I can't see
> an edit option. I also notice a few double postings. Thanks
> Brad
> Pulse C&C 33 Mk II
>
>
> Anything worth doing requires sails!~~~_/)~~~
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mast Step Support Rebuild Project Write-Up

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks Mike.  Of course, the rig has to be down to check the mast step 
supports.  I took my rig down again this offseason just so I could inspect the 
supports (and also replace the bilge pump under the step, which turned out to 
be a POS - my review at 
https://www.westmarine.com/buy/rule-industries--rule-mate-automatic-bilge-pump--P010947414?recordNum=1
 
,
 one star, title “I should have heeded the poor reviews”).

One of these years I’d like to leave my rig up while the boat’s in dry storage 
over the winter :)

Cheers,
Randy

> On Dec 11, 2017, at 5:19 AM, Mike Casey via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> What a fantastic story and great technical guide. The PO of my boat did this, 
> but it was a bit of a mystery and I have never checked what he did. I will 
> now.
> Your guide should be put in the technical part of the cncphotoalbum.
> 
> Mike Casey
> C&C 30 1980 #636
> Halifax, Nova Scotia
> Canada
> 
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> So, an update on this, almost eight months later (after a full season of 
> racing and sailing on the new mast step supports).
> 
> Since it was sunny and 60 degrees again in Denver yesterday, I went down to 
> the boat and pulled the mast step to inspect underneath.  At the end of my 
> write-up, linked below, I put a section titled “Did it Work?”  I think I can 
> now say with confidence that yes, it did work.  The new mast step supports, 
> on inspection today, were still solid as rock.  The bond to the bilge 
> shoulders is solid as rock.  The damn things are part of the boat now.  The 
> last four photos at 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTSzRLbFo0NDl6U1E 
>  are what it 
> looked like after pulling the mast step today, after one season’s use.
> 
> Some hard work last offseason, but worth it.  The boat needed it and deserved 
> it.  This offseason I’ll adjust the location and shimming of the mast step 
> slightly, to achieve better centering in the mast collar next year.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 3:39 PM, RANDY > > wrote:
>> 
>> Listers-
>> 
>> I put a write-up of my mast step support rebuild project this spring at 
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTUlhmbUs4YTZlZnM 
>> .  It's an 
>> 8.5MB PDF because it has 23 pictures in it.  Hope it can be of as much help 
>> to the C&C community as the C&C community has been to me.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Randy Stafford
>> S/V Grendine
>> C&C 30-1 #7
>> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
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Re: Stus-List Replacing shifter cable - but

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

I replaced the cable on my 1977 C&C 27 which sounds like the same setup.  There 
is a small screw on the tube that holds the shifter cable bracket.  If memory 
serves, once you remove the screw you can lift the cable or push it up from 
below, and the pull the cotter pin.
Feel free to call if you want to talk it through.
Bruce Whitmore1994 C&C 37/40+847.404.5092


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 Date: 12/11/17  11:18 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Frederick G Street  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Replacing shifter cable - but 
Don — that’s most likely the older Edson system, with the narrower riser tube 
on the pedestal; Chuck Gilchrest will know the model number (301?).  That’s a 
completely different animal, and something I don’t think Edson has sold for 35 
years or more.  The system was in place on my LF38 when I bought her; I’ve 
since replaced the entire pedestal, as I wanted the different control scheme 
and also needed to fit a wheel pilot (something you couldn’t do on the 
four-tube system).
— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(



On Dec 11, 2017, at 9:54 AM, DON JONSSON via CnC-List  
wrote:
Hi
Thanks to comments on replacing shifter cable.  The catch is I'm not sure the 
binnacle is an Edson.  The shifters are not mounted in the side of the binnacle 
and the cables do not run up and down inside the binnacle.  Rather they run up 
through the binnacle support/protector stainless tubes.  There are four 
supports on this boat, two fore and two aft of the binnacle.  The cables run up 
the aft tubes, one on either side.
Does anyone have experience with this set up?  Where is the clamp that is 
holding the cable?
ThanksDon
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[Daniel Sheer via CnC-List]

 Josh,
White Rocks Marina, where Pegathy is docked, has lots of transient slips, and 
Mike's Crab House North on the property (though it may be closed in early 
October). It's 33 min from Annapolis by car. Maryland Yacht club is also 
nearby, and might host the rendezvous. It's about 4-5 hours north of Annapolis 
under sail.  Also an easy sail to Ft. McHenry and Baltomore's Inner Harbor. I 
can check out both if you wish. 

Dan

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Consider the PS article in the link below.  I've been very happy with Yale
Crystaline and Sampson Warpspeed.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1ySGpOTUdGRW9xdzQ

Also consider the excerpt (source unknown) below:
I was taught (by an English race crew) that Mainsail controls are always
green, jib sails blue and spinnakers red. Halyards are solid colors and
sheets, outhauls etc. flecked or with tracers. (By following this
convention, crews are able to move from boat-to-boat without having to be
re-educated.)

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Dec 10, 2017 6:08 AM, "T power via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
>
> I'm looking to replace my foresail and headsail halyard on my C&C 30 MKI,
> my foresail is a combination of wire and rope. The boat is used by new
> sailor for cruising.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Tom Power 
> Invictus
> C&C 30 MK1
> Fredericton, NB
>
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Ok guys (and gals),

Sorry if this is a repeat.  It didn't look like my first email ever hit the
server.

The dates for the Annapolis Sailboat show have been released as well as my
work/vacation schedule for 2018.  You might remember that I had mapped the
distances which people were willing to drive and boat.  The resulting area
which attracted the most people was more or less a zone on the western
shore of the Chesapeake Bay between Annapolis and Solomons.  We could get
as many as 29 people total and 13 by boat!

The dates which I'm looking at are October 1st through the 8th (this
encompasses the sailboat show which is the 4th through the 8th) and October
26th to the 1st.  If held during the later dates we can easily hold the
rendezvous in Annapolis since dockage and mooring won't be a problem.  If
held during the earlier dates (during the boat show) we could hold the
rendezvous at nearby towns within a 30 minute drive of the boat show.  I'm
personally leaning towards the later dates since Annapolis is such a great
town to visit and has such good boating amenities; It would be nice if
everyone had a chance to see it without the craziness of the boat show.  If
during the boat show is the preference then I was thinking that maybe
Herrington Harbor North or somewhere in Deal, MD would be nice.  For those
who want to attend the boat show Deal is only a 30 minute drive.  I'm sure
there are marinas elsewhere closer to Annapolis yet away from the crowds
that I'm not aware of.  I'm eager to hear everyones thoughts and
suggestions.


Thanks,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Please remember to TRIM replies, especially replies from the digest! =-O


On 12/11/2017 1:05 PM, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List wrote:

Josh,

White Rocks Marina, where Pegathy is docked, has lots of transient 
slips, and Mike's Crab House North on the property (though it may be 
closed in early October). It's 33 min from Annapolis by car. Maryland 
Yacht club is also nearby, and might host the rendezvous. It's about 
4-5 hours north of Annapolis under sail.  Also an easy sail to Ft. 
McHenry and Baltomore's Inner Harbor. I can check out both if you wish.


Dan




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[Daniel Sheer via CnC-List]

Josh,
White Rocks Marina, where Pegathy is docked, has lots of transient slips, and 
Mike's Crab House North on the property (though it may be closed in early 
October). It's 33 min from Annapolis by car. Maryland Yacht club is also 
nearby, and might host the rendezvous. It's about 4-5 hours north of Annapolis 
under sail.  Also an easy sail to Ft. McHenry and Baltomore's Inner Harbor. I 
can check out both if you wish. 

Dan
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Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C&C rendezvous

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Dan,

I welcome all the help and suggestions I can get.  Make a case that meets
the considerations of all interested parties.  2 things I'm trying to keep
in mind is that the most number of people are able to attend either by car
or by boat if it is held between Solomons and Annapolis.  The other thing
is that survey results showed having places to go and things to do was
almost as important as the rendezvous.  Those are the 2 big reason I'm
leaning towards Annapolis...just not during the boat show.

In Annapolis there are 3 or 4 marinas in the direct vicinity of the Spa
Creek Bridge.  This puts us close enough to walk or dinghy just about
anywhere in downtown or Eastport.  It also puts us close to the moorings
and anchorages if anyone would prefer the privacy and lower cost.  They
have a water taxi too.  For those looking to stay in a hotel, the downtown
Marriott is right there too.  The prices are looking like $35 for a mooring
and $2 to $3 per foot for a slip.

Thanks for the input, keep it coming.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Mon, Dec 11, 2017, 1:06 PM Daniel Sheer via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Josh,
>
> White Rocks Marina, where Pegathy is docked, has lots of transient slips,
> and Mike's Crab House North on the property (though it may be closed in
> early October). It's 33 min from Annapolis by car. Maryland Yacht club is
> also nearby, and might host the rendezvous. It's about 4-5 hours north of
> Annapolis under sail.  Also an easy sail to Ft. McHenry and Baltomore's
> Inner Harbor. I can check out both if you wish.
>
> Dan
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2017, 12:01:38 PM EST, <
> cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
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>   3. Re:  new haylards (Gary Nylander)
>   4. Re:  new haylards (Edd Schillay)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:27:20 -0500
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C&C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List new haylards
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Consider the PS article in the link below.  I've been very happy with Yale
> Crystaline and Sampson Warpspeed.
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1ySGpOTUdGRW9xdzQ
>
> Also consider the excerpt (source unknown) below:
> I was taught (by an English race crew) that Mainsail controls are always
> green, jib sails blue and spinnakers red. Halyards are solid colors and
> sheets, outhauls etc. flecked or with tracers. (By following this
> convention, crews are able to move from boat-to-boat without having to be
> re-educated.)
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Dec 10, 2017 6:08 AM, "T power via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> >
> > I'm looking to replace my foresail and headsail halyard on my C&C 30 MKI,
> > my foresail is a combination of wire and rope. The boat is used by new
> > sailor for cruising.
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > Tom Power 
> > Invictus
> > C&C 30 MK1
> > Fredericton, NB
> >
> > ___
> >
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> 
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>
> Ok guys (and gals),
>
> Sorry if this is a repeat.  It didn't look like my first email ever hit the
> server.
>
> The dates for the Annapolis Sailboat show have been released as well as my
> work/vacation schedule for 2018.  You might remember that I had mapped the
> distances which people were willing to drive and boat.  The resulting area
> which attracted the most people was more or less a zone on the western
> shore of the Chesapeake Bay between Annapolis and Solomons.  We could get
> as many as 29 people total and 13 by bo

Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C&C rendezvous

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Josh,

Plenty of slips in Back Creek too.  Watergate Marina is an option, plus
people can anchor in the Creek for free.  Larger boats can anchor off the
seawall by the Naval Academy and there is also room in Weems Creek, just
off the Severn River.  There used to be Navy mooring balls in the Creek,
but I've heard they were removed.

Joel

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dan,
>
> I welcome all the help and suggestions I can get.  Make a case that meets
> the considerations of all interested parties.  2 things I'm trying to keep
> in mind is that the most number of people are able to attend either by car
> or by boat if it is held between Solomons and Annapolis.  The other thing
> is that survey results showed having places to go and things to do was
> almost as important as the rendezvous.  Those are the 2 big reason I'm
> leaning towards Annapolis...just not during the boat show.
>
> In Annapolis there are 3 or 4 marinas in the direct vicinity of the Spa
> Creek Bridge.  This puts us close enough to walk or dinghy just about
> anywhere in downtown or Eastport.  It also puts us close to the moorings
> and anchorages if anyone would prefer the privacy and lower cost.  They
> have a water taxi too.  For those looking to stay in a hotel, the downtown
> Marriott is right there too.  The prices are looking like $35 for a mooring
> and $2 to $3 per foot for a slip.
>
> Thanks for the input, keep it coming.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017, 1:06 PM Daniel Sheer via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>
>> White Rocks Marina, where Pegathy is docked, has lots of transient slips,
>> and Mike's Crab House North on the property (though it may be closed in
>> early October). It's 33 min from Annapolis by car. Maryland Yacht club is
>> also nearby, and might host the rendezvous. It's about 4-5 hours north of
>> Annapolis under sail.  Also an easy sail to Ft. McHenry and Baltomore's
>> Inner Harbor. I can check out both if you wish.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2017, 12:01:38 PM EST, <
>> cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>   1. Re:  new haylards (Josh Muckley)
>>   2.  2018 Mid-Atlantic C&C rendezvous (Josh Muckley)
>>   3. Re:  new haylards (Gary Nylander)
>>   4. Re:  new haylards (Edd Schillay)
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:27:20 -0500
>> From: Josh Muckley 
>> To: "C&C List" 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List new haylards
>> Message-ID:
>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Consider the PS article in the link below.  I've been very happy with Yale
>> Crystaline and Sampson Warpspeed.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1ySGpOTUdGRW9xdzQ
>>
>> Also consider the excerpt (source unknown) below:
>> I was taught (by an English race crew) that Mainsail controls are always
>> green, jib sails blue and spinnakers red. Halyards are solid colors and
>> sheets, outhauls etc. flecked or with tracers. (By following this
>> convention, crews are able to move from boat-to-boat without having to be
>> re-educated.)
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2017 6:08 AM, "T power via CnC-List" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Everyone,
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm looking to replace my foresail and headsail halyard on my C&C 30
>> MKI,
>> > my foresail is a combination of wire and rope. The boat is used by new
>> > sailor for cruising.
>> >
>> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> >
>> > Tom Power 
>> > Invictus
>> > C&C 30 MK1
>> > Fredericton, NB
>> >
>> > ___
>> >
>> > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
>> > and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
>> > use PayPal to send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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>> Subject: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C&C rendezvous
>> Message-

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There is a conversation going on about a rondezvous, and everybody is 
responding without trimming the entire digest that  should have been 
removed before the first person sent it. This costs Stu a lot of money, 
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[David via CnC-List]

In the off chance we make our way down there...I assume these areas have plenty 
of depth?
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[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Don,

Your boat has the same engine control as mine.  It was a control made 
specifically for C&C because the engineers at C&C didn’t like the idea of the 
control cables for the engine running inside the pedestal, fearing they would 
possibly foul on the steering gear.  It is either an Edson 737 or 747 control 
depending on whether you have an Atomic 4 (using a series 64 Morse Cable for 
the shift) or a diesel with a pair of Morse 33 cables.  The only difference is 
the length of the cable clamps and the type of shift lever (the one for the gas 
engine has a long removable lever that stores on a hole in the engine control’s 
top plate).  As soon as you started talking about removing the top plate, I 
suspected that your engine control was different than what was being discussed. 
   

 

On these controls, there is a strap steel clamp that extends down the stainless 
tube that serves to hold the cable from moving up and down when you actuate the 
levers.  I can’t recall the exact size of screw that anchors these long metal 
pieces but they can be a real bear to remove.  

So, your compass needs to come off.. the top plate that bolts down onto the top 
of the controller comes off, you reach into the control and remove the cotter 
pin that holds the control lever to the cable clevis, remove the pivot bolt 
(screw?) and slide the control lever out of the engine control.  Whatever you 
do, don’t break anything because parts are pretty  much impossible to find.  
Remove the clamp screw and pull the cable up sufficiently to unscrew the clevis 
from the threaded cable end.  The cable can either be routed up or down, 
depending on what would be the easier access.  I typically find pushing the 
cable up through the tubes from below deck works better than feeding them down 
the tube.

 

Should something be broken or the engine control is badly corroded, a refit to 
a model 816 engine control (diesel engine) or 751 (gas engine/paragon 
transmission) is probably recommended.  This new control will fit between the 
pedestal and compass.

I hope this helps.  

Again, If you struggle with the direction given here, Ken Martin at Edson has 
been dealing with “over the phone” help for these controls for 20 years or more 
and was always better than me with the customers!  They may still have a 
photocopy of the original installation instructions they can send in a PDF.

 

Good luck,

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

 

 

 

On Dec 9, 2017 8:28 PM, "DON JONSSON via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

On our C&C we have replaced the motor and now need to replace the shifter 
cable.  It is a C&C 34 with a throttle on one side and the shifter on port.  
The secret is how to disconnect the shifter lever from the cable with out 
ripping everything apart on the binnacle.  We don't know the secret.  Does 
anyone?  I suspect trying to take the pin out that goes through the u-joint on 
the end of the cable holding it to the lever with needle nose pliers will end 
badly.  Trying to put it back together even worse.  First attempt at removing 
the screws/bolts holding the top plate down around the compass on the binnacle 
did not bode well.

Thanks for any help.

Don Jonsson
C&C 34, Victoria

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Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid Atlantic...

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Annapolis accommodates any draft C&C has ever made and then some.
Saint Michaels surely does at anchor, not sure about every marina in there.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina

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In the off chance we make our way down there...I assume these areas have plenty 
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Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C&C rendezvous

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Water taxi service means no dinghy needed as well in Annapolis. LOTS of things 
to do ashore for the shopping inclined. When we lived on the Severn many a 
cruise got derailed by Naptown. We would pick up a mooring Friday night after 
work and instead of heading out Saturday, breakfast ashore would turn into a 
walk which went by some shops my wife liked and …still there Sunday.
Saint Michael’s would be my next pick after Annapolis.

Joe
Coquina

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Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid Atlantic...

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Don’t believe him. He said he was coming to Greenport too. See: 
https://youtu.be/0WKRIDnFDls  

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 






> On Dec 11, 2017, at 2:59 PM, David via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> In the off chance we make our way down there...I assume these areas have 
> plenty of depth?
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Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid Atlantic...

[David via CnC-List]

Ouch...


David F. Risch

(401) 419-4650 (cell)



From: CnC-List  on behalf of Edd Schillay via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 3:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid Atlantic...

Don’t believe him. He said he was coming to Greenport too. See: 
https://youtu.be/0WKRIDnFDls

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's 
Log





On Dec 11, 2017, at 2:59 PM, David via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

In the off chance we make our way down there...I assume these areas have plenty 
of depth?
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Re: Stus-List Replacing shifter cable - but

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Just be aware that with the smaller-diameter riser pipe on the older pedestals, 
running the control cables up the pedestal and switching to the 816 control 
levers is damn near impossible.  Ask me how I know…

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Dec 11, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Should something be broken or the engine control is badly corroded, a refit 
> to a model 816 engine control (diesel engine) or 751 (gas engine/paragon 
> transmission) is probably recommended.  This new control will fit between the 
> pedestal and compass.

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Stus-List New Lister - Need Help Identifying Water System Fitting Type - C&C 36 1981

[Tim Rutherford via CnC-List]

Newbie here. Bought my first keelboat in June of this year, a 1981 C&C 36'
with a centerboard. These boats are highly regarded in this area and
personally, I absolutely love mine. Been racing other-people's-boats and
bareboat cruising  in Tampa Bay and the Caribbean for decades. I am a
member of the Davis Island Yacht Club. I am an electrical engineer with
specialty in automation and controls and I work with a Florida electric
cooperative utility. Joined the database and this list just a few weeks ago.

Looking for a source of a replacement parts for the pressurized water
system tubing & fittings. One of compression nuts is cracked. The elbow
fitting on the vent line shown in the photo is the type in question
although the broken nut is elsewhere. I also wonder if the ferrule and
back-up ring can be removed and replaced, or if it must be cut off and
replaced with a new one.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5A2zIupq2XBbHhyLWRRcGhXSXRpeG9oVlVlY0FTRjhndEdj

The line size is 1/2" O.D. X 3/8" I.D. and the tubing is made of an unknown
type of hard gray plastic. It doesn't appear to have any markings.

Any help is appreciated.

 --
Tim Rutherford
Chamamé
C&C 36' - #244
tim.rutherford.m...@gmail.com
Cell/text 813-748-4888
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Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C&C rendezvous

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Joe,

You're absolutely right about St Michael's being a charming port with lots
of shops and restaurants.  For that matter there are a few more charming
places on the eastern shore which I'm perfectly willing to consider
(Cambridge, Oxford, Tillman Island) and I'm sure more which I am simply
unaware of.  I was concerned about excluding people by pushing too remote.
Feel free to review the the maps and see if there are any ports of call
which I overlooked. Having a medium amount of amenities, things to do, and
places to eat was more or less the consensus of the survey.  Annapolis,
Solomons, and St Michael's were overwhelmingly suggested by the survey
respondents.  State your case for your preferred port of call.  Bear in
mind that you may also become the embassador since I may not be as familiar
with the available services.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yMUdWdWRha1FxMG8

I draft 6.5' so depth is a regular consideration for all of the discussed
ports.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Dec 11, 2017 3:11 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:



Water taxi service means no dinghy needed as well in Annapolis. LOTS of
things to do ashore for the shopping inclined. When we lived on the Severn
many a cruise got derailed by Naptown. We would pick up a mooring Friday
night after work and instead of heading out Saturday, breakfast ashore
would turn into a walk which went by some shops my wife liked and
…still there Sunday.

Saint Michael’s would be my next pick after Annapolis.



Joe

Coquina



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Re: Stus-List New Lister - Need Help Identifying Water System Fitting Type - C&C 36 1981

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Qest fittings.  You can use Sharkbite fittings or buy those at hardware and
RV stores.

Joel

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Tim Rutherford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Newbie here. Bought my first keelboat in June of this year, a 1981 C&C 36'
> with a centerboard. These boats are highly regarded in this area and
> personally, I absolutely love mine. Been racing other-people's-boats and
> bareboat cruising  in Tampa Bay and the Caribbean for decades. I am a
> member of the Davis Island Yacht Club. I am an electrical engineer with
> specialty in automation and controls and I work with a Florida electric
> cooperative utility. Joined the database and this list just a few weeks ago.
>
> Looking for a source of a replacement parts for the pressurized water
> system tubing & fittings. One of compression nuts is cracked. The elbow
> fitting on the vent line shown in the photo is the type in question
> although the broken nut is elsewhere. I also wonder if the ferrule and
> back-up ring can be removed and replaced, or if it must be cut off and
> replaced with a new one.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5A2zIupq2XBbHhyLWRRcGhXSXRpe
> G9oVlVlY0FTRjhndEdj
>
> The line size is 1/2" O.D. X 3/8" I.D. and the tubing is made of an
> unknown type of hard gray plastic. It doesn't appear to have any markings.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
>  --
> Tim Rutherford
> Chamamé
> C&C 36' - #244
> tim.rutherford.m...@gmail.com
> Cell/text 813-748-4888 <(813)%20748-4888>
>
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Re: Stus-List New Lister - Need Help Identifying Water System Fitting Type - C&C 36 1981

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Yep Qest fittings.  I really like the flair-it fittings as an alternative.

https://mobilehomepartsstore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=CF

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Mon, Dec 11, 2017, 3:59 PM Tim Rutherford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Newbie here. Bought my first keelboat in June of this year, a 1981 C&C 36'
> with a centerboard. These boats are highly regarded in this area and
> personally, I absolutely love mine. Been racing other-people's-boats and
> bareboat cruising  in Tampa Bay and the Caribbean for decades. I am a
> member of the Davis Island Yacht Club. I am an electrical engineer with
> specialty in automation and controls and I work with a Florida electric
> cooperative utility. Joined the database and this list just a few weeks ago.
>
> Looking for a source of a replacement parts for the pressurized water
> system tubing & fittings. One of compression nuts is cracked. The elbow
> fitting on the vent line shown in the photo is the type in question
> although the broken nut is elsewhere. I also wonder if the ferrule and
> back-up ring can be removed and replaced, or if it must be cut off and
> replaced with a new one.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5A2zIupq2XBbHhyLWRRcGhXSXRpeG9oVlVlY0FTRjhndEdj
>
> The line size is 1/2" O.D. X 3/8" I.D. and the tubing is made of an
> unknown type of hard gray plastic. It doesn't appear to have any markings.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
>  --
> Tim Rutherford
> Chamamé
> C&C 36' - #244
> tim.rutherford.m...@gmail.com
> Cell/text 813-748-4888
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Re: Stus-List New Lister - Need Help Identifying Water System Fitting Type - C&C 36 1981

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Qest was made by Zurn out of polybutylene plastic.  The fittings have some
great advantages including the ability to assemble/disassemble without
tools and freeze resistance.  The problem is that chlorine has the effect
of degrading the plastic and making it brittle.  You'll probably notice
that the areas in contact with the water are white.  The plastic wasn't
made that way is was bleached.  There was a class action law suit against
Zurn.  Zurn is now the current maker of PEX which IIRC is made from HDPE
and is not compatible with Qest in any way.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Mon, Dec 11, 2017, 3:59 PM Tim Rutherford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Newbie here. Bought my first keelboat in June of this year, a 1981 C&C 36'
> with a centerboard. These boats are highly regarded in this area and
> personally, I absolutely love mine. Been racing other-people's-boats and
> bareboat cruising  in Tampa Bay and the Caribbean for decades. I am a
> member of the Davis Island Yacht Club. I am an electrical engineer with
> specialty in automation and controls and I work with a Florida electric
> cooperative utility. Joined the database and this list just a few weeks ago.
>
> Looking for a source of a replacement parts for the pressurized water
> system tubing & fittings. One of compression nuts is cracked. The elbow
> fitting on the vent line shown in the photo is the type in question
> although the broken nut is elsewhere. I also wonder if the ferrule and
> back-up ring can be removed and replaced, or if it must be cut off and
> replaced with a new one.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5A2zIupq2XBbHhyLWRRcGhXSXRpeG9oVlVlY0FTRjhndEdj
>
> The line size is 1/2" O.D. X 3/8" I.D. and the tubing is made of an
> unknown type of hard gray plastic. It doesn't appear to have any markings.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
>  --
> Tim Rutherford
> Chamamé
> C&C 36' - #244
> tim.rutherford.m...@gmail.com
> Cell/text 813-748-4888
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Re: Stus-List Replacing shifter cable - but

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

And the model 870 is a complete No Go..

 

As an alternative, some folks relocate their engine controls on a bulkhead in 
the cockpit and go to a single lever control..but only if you have a diesel 
with 2 series 33 cables.  A4 engine controls would require a dual lever 
control..

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 3:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Replacing shifter cable - but

 

Just be aware that with the smaller-diameter riser pipe on the older pedestals, 
running the control cables up the pedestal and switching to the 816 control 
levers is damn near impossible.  Ask me how I know…

 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(





On Dec 11, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Should something be broken or the engine control is badly corroded, a refit to 
a model 816 engine control (diesel engine) or 751 (gas engine/paragon 
transmission) is probably recommended.  This new control will fit between the 
pedestal and compass.

 

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Stus-List C&C 40 Peregrine for sale

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

So here's the last post I'll make about selling Peregrine. She is really in
quite brilliant condition. Check the web site:

https://aburtonsailor.wixsite.com/peregrine

To those who asked just what it took to get me to part with my beloved C&C,
here she is:

http://www.nautorswanusaeast.com/boat-for-sale/baltic-47-momentum

As long as the survey goes well she's mine. Now I just need to do to the
new boat everything I've done to Peregrine and a little more!

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

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61 W Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI
USA 02840
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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 Peregrine for sale

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Andrew — very nice.  When can I come sail with you…?   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Dec 11, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> So here's the last post I'll make about selling Peregrine. She is really in 
> quite brilliant condition. Check the web site:
> 
> https://aburtonsailor.wixsite.com/peregrine 
> 
> 
> To those who asked just what it took to get me to part with my beloved C&C, 
> here she is:
> 
> http://www.nautorswanusaeast.com/boat-for-sale/baltic-47-momentum 
> 
> 
> As long as the survey goes well she's mine. Now I just need to do to the new 
> boat everything I've done to Peregrine and a little more!
> 
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett Ave
> Newport, RI
> USA 02840
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 Peregrine for sale

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Yeah. That would do it…

Best,

Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On Dec 11, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> So here's the last post I'll make about selling Peregrine. She is really in 
> quite brilliant condition. Check the web site:
> 
> https://aburtonsailor.wixsite.com/peregrine 
> 
> 
> To those who asked just what it took to get me to part with my beloved C&C, 
> here she is:
> 
> http://www.nautorswanusaeast.com/boat-for-sale/baltic-47-momentum 
> 
> 
> As long as the survey goes well she's mine. Now I just need to do to the new 
> boat everything I've done to Peregrine and a little more!
> 
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett Ave
> Newport, RI
> USA 02840
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 Peregrine for sale

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Fred, this Sunday! Or you can wait for summer like a wimp.
Andy

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Andrew — very nice.  When can I come sail with you…?   :^)
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Dec 11, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> So here's the last post I'll make about selling Peregrine. She is really
> in quite brilliant condition. Check the web site:
>
> https://aburtonsailor.wixsite.com/peregrine
>
> To those who asked just what it took to get me to part with my beloved
> C&C, here she is:
>
> http://www.nautorswanusaeast.com/boat-for-sale/baltic-47-momentum
>
> As long as the survey goes well she's mine. Now I just need to do to the
> new boat everything I've done to Peregrine and a little more!
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> --
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett Ave
> Newport, RI
> USA 02840
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> phone  +401 965 5260
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 Peregrine for sale

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Gorgeous boat.  Is that a Doug Peterson or an S&S Baltic?  I suppose you know 
that Rob Ball drew a host of boats for Baltic as well...
Chuck Gilchrest 
S/V Half Magic
83 35 Landfall 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 11, 2017, at 5:14 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah. That would do it…
> 
> Best,
> 
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So here's the last post I'll make about selling Peregrine. She is really in 
>> quite brilliant condition. Check the web site:
>> 
>> https://aburtonsailor.wixsite.com/peregrine
>> 
>> To those who asked just what it took to get me to part with my beloved C&C, 
>> here she is:
>> 
>> http://www.nautorswanusaeast.com/boat-for-sale/baltic-47-momentum
>> 
>> As long as the survey goes well she's mine. Now I just need to do to the new 
>> boat everything I've done to Peregrine and a little more!
>> 
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>> 
>> -- 
>> Andrew Burton
>> 61 W Narragansett Ave
>> Newport, RI
>> USA 02840
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> phone  +401 965 5260
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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 Peregrine for sale

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Hi Andy- Nice boat!  Is that what teak looks like if untreated and allowed to 
weather or is it treated in some way?  Dave

Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On Dec 11, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> So here's the last post I'll make about selling Peregrine. She is really in 
> quite brilliant condition. Check the web site:
> 
> https://aburtonsailor.wixsite.com/peregrine 
> 
> 
> To those who asked just what it took to get me to part with my beloved C&C, 
> here she is:
> 
> http://www.nautorswanusaeast.com/boat-for-sale/baltic-47-momentum 
> 
> 
> As long as the survey goes well she's mine. Now I just need to do to the new 
> boat everything I've done to Peregrine and a little more!
> 
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett Ave
> Newport, RI
> USA 02840
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 Peregrine for sale

[Greg Arnold via CnC-List]

  
  
What a boat.  What a price.  The steal of a
  lifetime.
  
  You will have to report on Swan vs. Baltic quality and design.
  
  Greg Arnold
  Sailing a club-owned Catalina 400 in SoCal
  

On 12/11/2017 2:04 PM, Andrew Burton
  via CnC-List wrote:


  
So here's the last post I'll make about selling Peregrine.
  She is really in quite brilliant condition. Check the web
  site:


https://aburtonsailor.wixsite.com/peregrine


To those who asked just what it took to get me to part with
  my beloved C&C, here she is:


http://www.nautorswanusaeast.com/boat-for-sale/baltic-47-momentum


As long as the survey goes well she's mine. Now I just need
  to do to the new boat everything I've done to Peregrine and a
  little more!


Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine
  
  -- 

Andrew Burton
  61 W Narragansett Ave
  Newport, RI
  USA 02840
  http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
  phone  +401 965 5260
  
  
  
  
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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 Peregrine for sale

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Ouch — if I wasn’t aware of your sailing credentials, I’d take serious offense 
at your calling a Lake Superior sailor a “wimp”…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Dec 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fred, this Sunday! Or you can wait for summer like a wimp.
> Andy
> 
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Andrew — very nice.  When can I come sail with you…?   :^)
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 Peregrine for sale

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Andy

She’s beautiful!  I raced a B38 from Annapolis to Newport and was very
impressed with her build and how well she sailed. Congrats!

Joel

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 5:35 PM Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ouch — if I wasn’t aware of your sailing credentials, I’d take serious
> offense at your calling a Lake Superior sailor a “wimp”…   :^)
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Dec 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Fred, this Sunday! Or you can wait for summer like a wimp.
> Andy
>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew — very nice.  When can I come sail with you…?   :^)
>>
>> — Fred
>>
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 Peregrine for sale

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Fred just trying to give you an incentive to join me. As another great delivery 
skipper said, "Incentives are important, boss. Learned that in rehab."

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Dec 11, 2017, at 17:34, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ouch — if I wasn’t aware of your sailing credentials, I’d take serious 
> offense at your calling a Lake Superior sailor a “wimp”…   :^)
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 

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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 Peregrine for sale

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Dave, the decks are pretty much shot. They should be regularly scrubbed--across 
the grain--so they are a lovely Grey/white.

Andy

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Dec 11, 2017, at 17:25, David Knecht via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Andy- Nice boat!  Is that what teak looks like if untreated and allowed to 
> weather or is it treated in some way?  Dave
> 
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So here's the last post I'll make about selling Peregrine. She is really in 
>> quite brilliant condition. Check the web site:
>> 
>> https://aburtonsailor.wixsite.com/peregrine
>> 
>> To those who asked just what it took to get me to part with my beloved C&C, 
>> here she is:
>> 
>> http://www.nautorswanusaeast.com/boat-for-sale/baltic-47-momentum
>> 
>> As long as the survey goes well she's mine. Now I just need to do to the new 
>> boat everything I've done to Peregrine and a little more!
>> 
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>> 
>> -- 
>> Andrew Burton
>> 61 W Narragansett Ave
>> Newport, RI
>> USA 02840
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> phone  +401 965 5260
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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 Peregrine for sale

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Thanks, Joel. I'll look forward to getting your opinion of the 47 after you've 
sailed her.
Andy

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

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> On Dec 11, 2017, at 18:04, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Andy
> 
> She’s beautiful!  I raced a B38 from Annapolis to Newport and was very 
> impressed with her build and how well she sailed. Congrats!
> 
> Joel 
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 5:35 PM Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Ouch — if I wasn’t aware of your sailing credentials, I’d take serious 
>> offense at your calling a Lake Superior sailor a “wimp”…   :^)
>> 
>> — Fred
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Fred, this Sunday! Or you can wait for summer like a wimp.
>>> Andy
>>> 
 On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 Andrew — very nice.  When can I come sail with you…?   :^)
 
 — Fred
 
 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 Peregrine for sale

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Ya done good.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> So here's the last post I'll make about selling Peregrine. She is really
> in quite brilliant condition. Check the web site:
>
> https://aburtonsailor.wixsite.com/peregrine
>
> To those who asked just what it took to get me to part with my beloved
> C&C, here she is:
>
> http://www.nautorswanusaeast.com/boat-for-sale/baltic-47-momentum
>
> As long as the survey goes well she's mine. Now I just need to do to the
> new boat everything I've done to Peregrine and a little more!
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> --
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett Ave
> Newport, RI
> USA 02840
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> phone  +401 965 5260
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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 Peregrine for sale

[schiller via CnC-List]

Wow.  Nice boat.  You must be a glutton for punishment with all of that 
deck teak.


Let us know how she sails.

Neil Schiller
1983 C&C 35-3, Hull #028
"Grace"
White Lake, Michigan

On 12/11/2017 5:04 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote:
So here's the last post I'll make about selling Peregrine. She is 
really in quite brilliant condition. Check the web site:


https://aburtonsailor.wixsite.com/peregrine

To those who asked just what it took to get me to part with my beloved 
C&C, here she is:


http://www.nautorswanusaeast.com/boat-for-sale/baltic-47-momentum

As long as the survey goes well she's mine. Now I just need to do to 
the new boat everything I've done to Peregrine and a little more!


Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

--
Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
phone  +401 965 5260


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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 Peregrine for sale

[detroito91 via CnC-List]

Beautiful boat ! Lots of enjoyment and pleasure in your new "C&C"Jim 
schwartzSEA YA!38 LFwashington nc 
 Original message From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 Date: 12/11/17  6:15 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Andrew Burton  Subject: 
Re: Stus-List C&C 40 Peregrine for sale 
Dave, the decks are pretty much shot. They should be regularly scrubbed--across 
the grain--so they are a lovely Grey/white.
Andy

Andrew Burton61 W NarragansettNewport, RI USA    02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/+401 965-5260
On Dec 11, 2017, at 17:25, David Knecht via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hi Andy- Nice boat!  Is that what teak looks like if untreated and allowed to 
weather or is it treated in some way?  Dave

Aries1990 C&C 34+New London, CT




On Dec 11, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List  
wrote:
So here's the last post I'll make about selling Peregrine. She is really in 
quite brilliant condition. Check the web site:
https://aburtonsailor.wixsite.com/peregrine
To those who asked just what it took to get me to part with my beloved C&C, 
here she is:
http://www.nautorswanusaeast.com/boat-for-sale/baltic-47-momentum
As long as the survey goes well she's mine. Now I just need to do to the new 
boat everything I've done to Peregrine and a little more!
AndyC&C 40Peregrine

-- 
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61 W Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
phone  +401 965 5260

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Stus-List C&C Photo Album owners database

[Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List]

Thank you Stu, will remember that for later.
Brad
C&C 33 MKII
Lake Huron

Anything worth doing requires sails!~~~_/)~~~

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Re: Stus-List new haylards

[Jim via CnC-List]

Neil 
If you have any pictures similar to what Dennis sent to show how your main 
halyard exits the mast (assuming it runs up inside) that would be appreciated. 
My main halyard is all wire, not rope / wire so might be different than what 
you had. The jib and spinnaker halyards are rope / wire. 
My 35-1 has the same grooves in the splash rail so intend run them from the 
mast through a turning block back through the grooves into rope clutches as 
there are already winches back there. 
Thanks to everyone who has provided feedback. Much appreciated. 
Cheers, 
James 
ps: next item on list once I get this sorted is a jib roller furler... looks 
like I'm going with Profurl 


- Original Message -

From: "Neil Gallagher via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Neil Gallagher"  
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 2:59:43 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List new haylards 

Jim, 

I replaced the original wire/rope halyards a few years ago, using 3/8 Sta Set 
for both main and jib. Didn't do anything regarding the masthead sheave, and 
it's been ok. I cruise mostly, as for racing my sails are so blown out a slight 
strecthing of halyard won't make much difference... 

A PO had run the main and one jib halyard back to the cockpit; my 35-1 has a 
grooves in the splash rail that's just forward of the hatch, they run P/S 
through those grooves. He mounted a turning block on the deck in line with the 
halyard exit on the mast and the groove, and put a kind of smaller winch on the 
aft end of the deckhouse. It's worked fine so far, though the backing under 
turning blocks wasn't done well, just screws and washers to the underside of 
the liner. That's been on my list. 

Neil Gallagher 
Weatherly, 35-1 
Glen Cove, NY 



On 12/10/2017 2:52 PM, Jim via CnC-List wrote: 



Dennis 
Thanks for the info and pictures. Your set up looks like what I'm trying to 
achieve. 
When you say a small diameter high tech halyard should work, what diameter 
where you thinking? I purchased 8mm VPC (but have not tried it). 
I'm reluctant to go much smaller as it may be hard to hold / pull on. 
Thanks again for the pictures, I am going to take a closer look at my end to 
see what is possible. 
Cheers, James 
ps: my 35-1 is s/n 75 so very close to yours. 


- Original Message -

From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  
To: "CnClist"  
Cc: "Dennis C."  
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:27:40 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List new haylards 

James, 

I have looked at Touche's main halyard masthead sheave and box with an eye to 
replace the existing wire/rope halyard with an all rope halyard. Touche's 
sheave is a wire sheave not a wire/rope sheave. The sheave box is fairly 
narrow. So far I've been reluctant to make the conversion. It would require a 
couple hours work at the masthead to enlarge the opening and install a new box. 
This would be complicated by the existing hole pattern. 

My opinion, and that of some other listers is that a small diameter high tech 
halyard would work in the existing sheave. 

However, I have removed the wire winch and run the main halyard aft. I removed 
the fixed halyard exit sheave at the mast base, covered the hole with a metal 
plate and installed Garhauer swivel turning blocks for all the halyards, 
topping lift, etc. The halyards run aft to Lewmar triple rope clutches. 

As I recall, the wire winch sat on a teak base on the starboard side. I simply 
plugged the holes with teak bungs. 

You're welcome to look at pictures of Touche's deck organizers, mast base 
turning blocks, etc. here: 

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsNll4b3ZwM1B4a28 

The holes for the fasteners for the deck organizers and rope clutches are 
covered by nylon plugs. Here's a pic of the plugs covering the nuts for the 
rope clutches. 

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ep3_LqsCzqnnNYUtU6OPFDGGeMoeA3jo 

I upgraded the cabin top winches to Barient 22's. That required strengthening 
the deck under the winches. I epoxied additional layers of roving in the 
access. 

You're welcome to contact me for any details. 

Dennis C. 
Touche' 35-1 #83 
Mandeville, LA (Currently lying Pensacola, FL) 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Jim via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 



I have a '71 C&C 35 Mk1 with the original 100% wire main halyard to wire winch 
beside the mast. 
In February I purchased 8mm (5/16") New England VPC to replace the wire halyard 
but have not yet as I believe I need to replace the mast head sheave (mast 
still up), remove winch, run line back to the cockpit, etc. 
Has anyone made this conversion in the past that could provide advice on the 
mast head sheave, removing old wire winch, routing of new rope halyard, etc.? 
Cheers, 
James 
Flamingo IV, C&C 35-1 


From: "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Edd Schillay" < e...@schillay.com > 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 10:50:08 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List new haylards 


Since everyone was expecting me to reply to

Re: Stus-List Replacing shifter cable - but

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Hi Don

 

Chuck’s instructions pretty much mirror our experience.  Once the compass and 
plate are off and the cable clamp screw is removed, the entire cable / clamp / 
handle assembly can be removed from the binnacle.  Attach new cable to the 
handle, attach cable clamp, refit into binnacle and tube.  Be especially aware 
the handles only go in one way so carefully note their position going out so 
you can replicate going in.  Best of luck

 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
Gilchrest via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:58 PM
To: 'DON JONSSON'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
Subject: Re: Stus-List Replacing shifter cable - but

 

Don,

Your boat has the same engine control as mine.  It was a control made 
specifically for C&C because the engineers at C&C didn’t like the idea of the 
control cables for the engine running inside the pedestal, fearing they would 
possibly foul on the steering gear.  It is either an Edson 737 or 747 control 
depending on whether you have an Atomic 4 (using a series 64 Morse Cable for 
the shift) or a diesel with a pair of Morse 33 cables.  The only difference is 
the length of the cable clamps and the type of shift lever (the one for the gas 
engine has a long removable lever that stores on a hole in the engine control’s 
top plate).  As soon as you started talking about removing the top plate, I 
suspected that your engine control was different than what was being discussed. 
   

 

On these controls, there is a strap steel clamp that extends down the stainless 
tube that serves to hold the cable from moving up and down when you actuate the 
levers.  I can’t recall the exact size of screw that anchors these long metal 
pieces but they can be a real bear to remove.  

So, your compass needs to come off.. the top plate that bolts down onto the top 
of the controller comes off, you reach into the control and remove the cotter 
pin that holds the control lever to the cable clevis, remove the pivot bolt 
(screw?) and slide the control lever out of the engine control.  Whatever you 
do, don’t break anything because parts are pretty  much impossible to find.  
Remove the clamp screw and pull the cable up sufficiently to unscrew the clevis 
from the threaded cable end.  The cable can either be routed up or down, 
depending on what would be the easier access.  I typically find pushing the 
cable up through the tubes from below deck works better than feeding them down 
the tube.

 

Should something be broken or the engine control is badly corroded, a refit to 
a model 816 engine control (diesel engine) or 751 (gas engine/paragon 
transmission) is probably recommended.  This new control will fit between the 
pedestal and compass.

I hope this helps.  

Again, If you struggle with the direction given here, Ken Martin at Edson has 
been dealing with “over the phone” help for these controls for 20 years or more 
and was always better than me with the customers!  They may still have a 
photocopy of the original installation instructions they can send in a PDF.

 

Good luck,

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

 

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