Re: Stus-List Volvo ocean race game?
Yes, it is one of the few races I can do without running aground or forgetting to change course. Wild Bill Original message From: Graham Collins via CnC-List Date:10/10/2014 9:34 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Volvo ocean race game? Anyone doing the volvo ocean race game? (Virtual regatta at http://www.virtualregatta.com/) -- Graham Collins Secret Plans C&C 35-III #11 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Back stay adjuster repair, NOT by Navtec
this one did not go trouhg So i trimmed the old post I did not know that the backstay subject would have so much interest. In my case my first idea was to go to a general hydro shop in Quebec, i heard before that i did not have to absolutely send the unit only to navtec. But when i ask around nobody could recommend any shop so i decided to go for the "appoved service center" with a good reputation and convince me it was all in the name of safety. That this 400$ would be a good invesment if i could have 10 more years out of the unit... the guy on the phone alos told me it was the best decision. Good plan, but then the unit failed short after, i sent it back (an other 80$ of shipping)... and it still leaks a bit and the gauge has been damaged by the shipping company on its way back what a nightmare...the service center offers me to sent it back again and will fix it no charge...for an other 80$ of shipping... My final decision is that i will send it back again, but will then put it for sale. If i'm lucky i will get back my 600 $ of invesment and make a wednesday night racer happy. But for me my confidence is at it's lowest and i need to have a reliable unit so i can go offshore for long knowing i can trust my rig. So i have a rebuild navtec with a new gauge for sale! As for the split ideas, i would love to have that setup, or have a 34+ like François...;) i had a similar setup with my previous C&C 29 mkII and it was very simple and effective. But i'm not welling to do the modification (chainplates, bimini mod, etc...)and the single backstay on the 33 is not at all in the way (very low on the transom). In fact i think a split would bother me more helming from the sides. Long story short, i'll try to get my cash back and buy a new sailtec. Thanks! Bruno Lachance C&C 33 mkII Becassine > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:30:09 -0400 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List Back stay adjuster repair, NOT by Navtec > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > I too went thru Navtec for a leak without success, took mine to local tractor > dealer, fixed the first time 5 years ago, still no leaks or problems. Contact > me off list if anyone wants address phone number. Navtec charged me $ 300 > plus and did not fix, my local guy $ 75 and still going strong > > Barry Miller, > Miller Time, C&C 34 > > Sent from my iPad > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Back stay adjuster repair, NOT by Navtec
Bruno The control panel is probably worth more than the cylinder. Check eBay sold items to see what they are worth. Joel On Saturday, October 11, 2014, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > this one did not go trouhg So i trimmed the old post > > > I did not know that the backstay subject would have so much interest. In > my case my first idea was to go to a general hydro shop in Quebec, i heard > before that i did not have to absolutely send the unit only to navtec. But > when i ask around nobody could recommend any shop so i decided to go for > the "appoved service center" with a good reputation and convince me it was > all in the name of safety. That this 400$ would be a good invesment if i > could have 10 more years out of the unit... the guy on the phone alos told > me it was the best decision. > > Good plan, but then the unit failed short after, i sent it back (an other > 80$ of shipping)... and it still leaks a bit and the gauge has been damaged > by the shipping company on its way back what a nightmare...the service > center offers me to sent it back again and will fix it no charge...for an > other 80$ of shipping... > > My final decision is that i will send it back again, but will then put it > for sale. If i'm lucky i will get back my 600 $ of invesment and make a > wednesday night racer happy. But for me my confidence is at it's lowest and > i need to have a reliable unit so i can go offshore for long knowing i can > trust my rig. So i have a rebuild navtec with a new gauge for sale! > > As for the split ideas, i would love to have that setup, or have a 34+ > like François...;) i had a similar setup with my previous C&C 29 mkII and > it was very simple and effective. But i'm not welling to do the > modification (chainplates, bimini mod, etc...)and the single backstay on > the 33 is not at all in the way (very low on the transom). In fact i think > a split would bother me more helming from the sides. > > Long story short, i'll try to get my cash back and buy a new sailtec. > > Thanks! > > Bruno Lachance > C&C 33 mkII > Becassine > > > > > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:30:09 -0400 > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > > Subject: Stus-List Back stay adjuster repair, NOT by Navtec > > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > > > > I too went thru Navtec for a leak without success, took mine to local > tractor dealer, fixed the first time 5 years ago, still no leaks or > problems. Contact me off list if anyone wants address phone number. Navtec > charged me $ 300 plus and did not fix, my local guy $ 75 and still going > strong > > > > Barry Miller, > > Miller Time, C&C 34 > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Redline 41
spent a few minutes on the new 41 at the boat show The good- large cockpit, boat appears solid. The bad- winch placement, cabin steps are too far apart, cabin feels very small, aft quarterberths are open with no door for privacy while cruising, door to head is in forward cabin. Better racer than cruiser Joel -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Back stay adjuster repair, NOT by Navtec
Joel, its an integral unit, no panel. Bruno Envoyé de mon iPad > Le 2014-10-11 à 11:32, Joel Aronson a écrit : > > Bruno > The control panel is probably worth more than the cylinder. Check eBay sold > items to see what they are worth. > > Joel > >> On Saturday, October 11, 2014, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List >> wrote: >> this one did not go trouhg So i trimmed the old post >> >> >> I did not know that the backstay subject would have so much interest. In my >> case my first idea was to go to a general hydro shop in Quebec, i heard >> before that i did not have to absolutely send the unit only to navtec. But >> when i ask around nobody could recommend any shop so i decided to go for the >> "appoved service center" with a good reputation and convince me it was all >> in the name of safety. That this 400$ would be a good invesment if i could >> have 10 more years out of the unit... the guy on the phone alos told me it >> was the best decision. >> >> Good plan, but then the unit failed short after, i sent it back (an other >> 80$ of shipping)... and it still leaks a bit and the gauge has been damaged >> by the shipping company on its way back what a nightmare...the service >> center offers me to sent it back again and will fix it no charge...for an >> other 80$ of shipping... >> >> My final decision is that i will send it back again, but will then put it >> for sale. If i'm lucky i will get back my 600 $ of invesment and make a >> wednesday night racer happy. But for me my confidence is at it's lowest and >> i need to have a reliable unit so i can go offshore for long knowing i can >> trust my rig. So i have a rebuild navtec with a new gauge for sale! >> >> As for the split ideas, i would love to have that setup, or have a 34+ like >> François...;) i had a similar setup with my previous C&C 29 mkII and it was >> very simple and effective. But i'm not welling to do the modification >> (chainplates, bimini mod, etc...)and the single backstay on the 33 is not at >> all in the way (very low on the transom). In fact i think a split would >> bother me more helming from the sides. >> >> Long story short, i'll try to get my cash back and buy a new sailtec. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Bruno Lachance >> C&C 33 mkII >> Becassine >> >> >> >> > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:30:09 -0400 >> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> > Subject: Stus-List Back stay adjuster repair, NOT by Navtec >> > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> > >> > I too went thru Navtec for a leak without success, took mine to local >> > tractor dealer, fixed the first time 5 years ago, still no leaks or >> > problems. Contact me off list if anyone wants address phone number. Navtec >> > charged me $ 300 plus and did not fix, my local guy $ 75 and still going >> > strong >> > >> > Barry Miller, >> > Miller Time, C&C 34 >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> > > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Back stay adjuster repair, NOT by Navtec
I had a backstay cylinder fail while on an ocean race. Spilled hydraulic fluid all over the cockpit floor. Jim Watts arranged for a local shop in Victoria to do the repair. No problems with the repair. When I had problems with the pump that controls the vang and backstay, I used a repair shop in Seattle. Great service. He even followed up with me by phone, a year after he did the repairs. I would definitely recommend him to anyone who needs hydraulic repairs done: Lew Townsend, (206) 498-7282 Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR CnC-List mailing list CnC-List@cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Redline 41
Joel, You forgot to mention the bad- the 41 is a very expensive boat $400K. Hard to see how it will compete well with the slightly lower quality but much lower priced Beneteaus and Hanses. Roger Ware, Kingston, ON From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: October-11-14 12:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Redline 41 spent a few minutes on the new 41 at the boat show The good- large cockpit, boat appears solid. The bad- winch placement, cabin steps are too far apart, cabin feels very small, aft quarterberths are open with no door for privacy while cruising, door to head is in forward cabin. Better racer than cruiser Joel -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Back stay adjuster repair, NOT by Navtec
Bruno, I urge you to consider a rebuild at a cheaper local hydraulics shop. As others have mentioned it would likely cost less than $100. The same as paying for shipping to navtec. What do you have to lose? Then if it works you won't have to spend even more money to re-rig some other system. A working hydraulic backstay is just as reliable as a split backstay, is more accurate, and fast and easy to use. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Oct 11, 2014 11:05 AM, "Bruno Lachance via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > this one did not go trouhg So i trimmed the old post > > > I did not know that the backstay subject would have so much interest. In > my case my first idea was to go to a general hydro shop in Quebec, i heard > before that i did not have to absolutely send the unit only to navtec. But > when i ask around nobody could recommend any shop so i decided to go for > the "appoved service center" with a good reputation and convince me it was > all in the name of safety. That this 400$ would be a good invesment if i > could have 10 more years out of the unit... the guy on the phone alos told > me it was the best decision. > > Good plan, but then the unit failed short after, i sent it back (an other > 80$ of shipping)... and it still leaks a bit and the gauge has been damaged > by the shipping company on its way back what a nightmare...the service > center offers me to sent it back again and will fix it no charge...for an > other 80$ of shipping... > > My final decision is that i will send it back again, but will then put it > for sale. If i'm lucky i will get back my 600 $ of invesment and make a > wednesday night racer happy. But for me my confidence is at it's lowest and > i need to have a reliable unit so i can go offshore for long knowing i can > trust my rig. So i have a rebuild navtec with a new gauge for sale! > > As for the split ideas, i would love to have that setup, or have a 34+ > like François...;) i had a similar setup with my previous C&C 29 mkII and > it was very simple and effective. But i'm not welling to do the > modification (chainplates, bimini mod, etc...)and the single backstay on > the 33 is not at all in the way (very low on the transom). In fact i think > a split would bother me more helming from the sides. > > Long story short, i'll try to get my cash back and buy a new sailtec. > > Thanks! > > Bruno Lachance > C&C 33 mkII > Becassine > > > > > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:30:09 -0400 > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Subject: Stus-List Back stay adjuster repair, NOT by Navtec > > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > > > I too went thru Navtec for a leak without success, took mine to local > tractor dealer, fixed the first time 5 years ago, still no leaks or > problems. Contact me off list if anyone wants address phone number. Navtec > charged me $ 300 plus and did not fix, my local guy $ 75 and still going > strong > > > > Barry Miller, > > Miller Time, C&C 34 > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Redline 41
My recollection is that all of the C&Cs of that length have historically been priced at ~$400k. It definitely takes a discerning customer with deep pockets to justify a new one. Look at the 40' J boat too. Very slim market for any $400k boat, racer or cruiser. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Oct 11, 2014 12:32 PM, "Roger Ware via CnC-List" wrote: > Joel, You forgot to mention the bad- the 41 is a very expensive boat > $400K. Hard to see how it will compete well with the slightly lower > quality but much lower priced Beneteaus and Hanses. > > Roger Ware, Kingston, ON > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel > Aronson via CnC-List > *Sent:* October-11-14 12:00 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Stus-List Redline 41 > > > > spent a few minutes on the new 41 at the boat show The good- large > cockpit, boat appears solid. The bad- winch placement, cabin steps are too > far apart, cabin feels very small, aft quarterberths are open with no door > for privacy while cruising, door to head is in forward cabin. Better > racer than cruiser > > Joel > > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Redline 41
Barry said all up its over 500k... Ugh. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Date:10/11/2014 12:58 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Roger Ware , C&C List Subject: Re: Stus-List Redline 41 My recollection is that all of the C&Cs of that length have historically been priced at ~$400k. It definitely takes a discerning customer with deep pockets to justify a new one. Look at the 40' J boat too. Very slim market for any $400k boat, racer or cruiser. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Oct 11, 2014 12:32 PM, "Roger Ware via CnC-List" wrote: > Joel, You forgot to mention the bad- the 41 is a very expensive boat > $400K. Hard to see how it will compete well with the slightly lower > quality but much lower priced Beneteaus and Hanses. > > Roger Ware, Kingston, ON > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel > Aronson via CnC-List > *Sent:* October-11-14 12:00 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Stus-List Redline 41 > > > > spent a few minutes on the new 41 at the boat show The good- large > cockpit, boat appears solid. The bad- winch placement, cabin steps are too > far apart, cabin feels very small, aft quarterberths are open with no door > for privacy while cruising, door to head is in forward cabin. Better > racer than cruiser > > Joel > > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Back stay adjuster repair, NOT by Navtec
Lew Townsend (206-498-7282) is the guy in Seattle I used to put new seals in Calypso's SailTec Backstay adjuster. I also recommend him and will use him when Calypso's SailTec baby stay adjuster need service. Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Alan Bergen via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 9:27 AM To: C&C Photoalbum email list Subject: Re: Stus-List Back stay adjuster repair, NOT by Navtec I had a backstay cylinder fail while on an ocean race. Spilled hydraulic fluid all over the cockpit floor. Jim Watts arranged for a local shop in Victoria to do the repair. No problems with the repair. When I had problems with the pump that controls the vang and backstay, I used a repair shop in Seattle. Great service. He even followed up with me by phone, a year after he did the repairs. I would definitely recommend him to anyone who needs hydraulic repairs done: Lew Townsend, (206) 498-7282 Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR CnC-List mailing list CnC-List@cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
