Re: nut bars? ;)

2015-10-15 Thread geneb

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:


On 10/15/2015 02:44 PM, Jay West wrote:

... In
some cases, nut bars are very preferable...



I think we have plenty of those around here


*bars*, not *bags*! :)

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RE: The Internet & our hobby

2015-10-23 Thread geneb

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Bill Sudbrink wrote:


Fred Cisin wrote:

While I won't try to claim that the FIRST or SECOND
emails were flames, I'm inclined to think that they
started early.  'course in our day, we were much more
polite in how we flamed


Emacs?  You _MUST_ be kidding.


WordStar.  Non-document mode.

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RE: The Internet & our hobby

2015-10-23 Thread geneb

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:


started early.  'course in our day, we were much more
polite in how we flamed

Emacs?  You _MUST_ be kidding.

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, geneb wrote:

WordStar.  Non-document mode.


Did you really think that that was better than Electric Pencil?

I'm going to say "yes", simply because not having ever even seen it makes 
it worse than WordStar. :)




My very first inspiration for writing XenoCopy was ads for Michael Shrayer's 
program to convert files from Electric Pencil disks to CP/M disks.  I never 
saw or used it, but the idea that files COULD BE converted between 
incompatible disk formats, . . .

Until August 1981, my development efforts were on TRS80.

It would be really cool if you were to upload XenoCopy to the IA with a 
description of how it came to be, the development process and its history. 
I suspect it would be a fascinating read.


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Re: Retro Reproduction.

2015-10-23 Thread geneb

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Jon Elson wrote:


On 10/23/2015 01:57 PM, Paul Koning wrote:

On Oct 23, 2015, at 2:48 PM, ben  wrote:

...
It does seem mechanical stuff is dieing art.

I don't know about that.
Yes, there is an open-source project that provides a CNC machine control for 
mill, lathes, hexapods and robots.  That is LinuxCNC. It started as a NIST 
project to see what was so complicated in a CNC control, but then moved out 
of NIST and has been extended greatly. it is also now being used for 3D 
printers.


I sell some hardware for motion control based on this software, and have sold 
over 300 controller-interfaces.



A popular one seems to be using MachineKit on a Beagle Bone Black

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Re: Retro Reproduction.

2015-10-24 Thread geneb

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Jon Elson wrote:


On 10/23/2015 04:32 PM, geneb wrote:

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015, Jon Elson wrote:



I sell some hardware for motion control based on this software, and have 
sold over 300 controller-interfaces.



A popular one seems to be using MachineKit on a Beagle Bone Black


Yes, my latest product is the CRAMPS board for machinekit and BBB.


I wouldn't mind finding step-by-step instructions on how to refit a 2000 
model year MaxNC 10 open loop mill.  The controller it has now is parallel 
port based and the control software is DOS only.


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Re: Substituting DSHD for DSDD disks (or DS2D if you prefer)

2015-10-26 Thread geneb

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015, Jules Richardson wrote:


On 10/24/2015 09:14 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:

Are we really running short of "720K" floppies?



I've never had any luck finding used disks anywhere locally; people are a bit 
too concerned about data theft these days, and all of that seems to go 
straight to landfill.



I suspect Athana still stocks them.

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Re: Model 152 PSU dummy loads - Re: NeXT Cube - powers on briefly then off again

2015-10-26 Thread geneb

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:

The talk about dummy loads brought back a memory of the Heath Cantenna--an RF 
dummy load consisting of a Globar (noninductive) resistor in a gallon paint 
can filled with mineral oil with an attachment to a SO-239 "UHF" connector on 
top.  IIRC, it was literally capable of dissipating a full "gallon".




I have one of those sitting on the floor of my office. :)

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Chuck Forsberg died on 9/24. :(

2015-11-02 Thread geneb

Here's the obituary:

http://www.anewtradition.com/obituaries/obituary/12060_Charles_Alton_Forsberg

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RE: Chuck Forsberg died on 9/24. :(

2015-11-03 Thread geneb

On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Jay West wrote:

Yeah, already looked at doing that. When I hear about a site going down 
permanently I often try to snag a copy for posterity and dump it on the 
classiccmp server for folks (with owner permission if possible), but for 
this one it doesn't appear files can be had :(


Maybe reach out to his widow?

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Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread geneb

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:


"Hmmm.  What else could we call the keyboard?"


FADID.  Where do I send the consulting bill?


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Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread geneb

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:


On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:

"Hmmm.  What else could we call the keyboard?"


On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, geneb wrote:

FADID.  Where do I send the consulting bill?


I'm not familiar with that one.
It just might be unique enough to keep anybody from confusing our fadids from 
somebody else's keyboards


Finger Accessible Data Input Device.

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Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread geneb

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Charles Anthony wrote:


On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, geneb wrote:


FADID.  Where do I send the consulting bill?



I'm not familiar with that one.
It just might be unique enough to keep anybody from confusing our fadids
from somebody else's keyboards



Finger Accessible Data Input Device.

DADDID -- Digit Accessible Digital Data Input Device



*hiss*  A competitor!  I'll sue!

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Re: To Al Kossow at bitsavers

2015-11-14 Thread geneb

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015, Paul Koning wrote:



"Abandonware" is a term invented as an excuse to steal other people's 
property.  Let's not try to apply it here.


Copyright infringement is not theft... at least according to the Supreme 
Court, but then again, what do they know?


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Re: Giving away collection of computers

2015-11-17 Thread geneb

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, Ian Finder wrote:


Ian S. King wrote: "... -- K7PDP"


Show-off ;)


I'll see that K7PDP and raise you an N7MOS. :D

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RE: Could someone make the list do the [cctalk] thing in the subject line?

2015-11-18 Thread geneb

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, Jay West wrote:


Ed# wrote...
COMBINE THEM THEN JUST  ADD  TWO LETTERS AND A DASH AS THUS
CC-

No.


How about [CC] prefixed by a Copyright symbol so we can streamline and 
process two arguments at once? :D


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Re: Fw: new message

2015-11-22 Thread geneb

On Sun, 22 Nov 2015, Eric Christopherson wrote:


My ISP injects into web pages a helpful heads-up message if your account
If you can, run screaming to another ISP.  I don't care how "helpful" 
they're trying to be, content injection like that should be punished with 
a public skinning.


Until then, try pointing your DNS to 8.8.8.8 (Google) and see if that 
prevents their shenannigans.


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Re: Oberon and the OberonStation (retro-style FPGA computing)

2015-11-25 Thread geneb

On Tue, 24 Nov 2015, ben wrote:


On 11/23/2015 7:28 PM, William Maddox wrote:


The revived 2013 re-issue of Niklaus Wirth's Oberon system is a joy
to behold.  If you've never heard of Oberon before, it is a
minimalistic education-oriented language and operating system
designed after Wirth had taken a (second) sabattical at PARC in the
80's.


I say WORTH LESS, with out even looking at it, as I am NOT a Pascal
FAN

It's ok Ben, nobody's perfect. :)

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Re: Oberon and the OberonStation (retro-style FPGA computing)

2015-11-25 Thread geneb

On Tue, 24 Nov 2015, Paul Koning wrote:

Pascal is largely obsolete now, but I still appreciate it -- of the 40 
or so languages I know, there are only two where I could go from no 
knowledge at all to having a working program of significant size in one 
week: Pascal and Python.


Um, no.  Check out Delphi, Lazarus and FPC. No where near "obsolete".

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Re: Oberon and the OberonStation (retro-style FPGA computing)

2015-11-25 Thread geneb

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015, Jon Elson wrote:


On 11/25/2015 09:01 AM, geneb wrote:

On Tue, 24 Nov 2015, Paul Koning wrote:

Pascal is largely obsolete now, but I still appreciate it -- of the 40 or 
so languages I know, there are only two where I could go from no knowledge 
at all to having a working program of significant size in one week: Pascal 
and Python.


Um, no.  Check out Delphi, Lazarus and FPC. No where near "obsolete".

I was really pleased with FPC!  Are people actually creating new projects 
with it?  I was grateful to discover FPC so I could update my photoplotter 
program and move away from the Turbo Pascal / Windows XP executable I have 
been using.  But, I haven't used it for any new projects.  (Yet.)


You might want to join the fpc users mailing list.  It's got decent 
traffic on it.  The range of cpu targets you can compile to is pretty 
good.  You can even compile for Android. :)


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Re: New Commodore 64 is Finally Here--For Real! PC MAG Snip

2015-12-28 Thread geneb

On Sun, 27 Dec 2015, Mike wrote:


Would you buy the new Commodore 64 ? ? ?

No.  The company folded years ago after the founder and driving force 
behind the whole mess, died.


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Re: New Commodore 64 is Finally Here--For Real! PC MAG Snip

2015-12-28 Thread geneb

On Mon, 28 Dec 2015, Paul Berger wrote:


On 2015-12-28 12:13 PM, geneb wrote:

On Sun, 27 Dec 2015, Mike wrote:


Would you buy the new Commodore 64 ? ? ?

No.  The company folded years ago after the founder and driving force 
behind the whole mess, died.


g.

The man who founded Commodore, Jack Tramiel resigned from the company in 
1984, Commodore went on for another 10 years before declaring bankruptcy in 
1994.   Tramiel died of heart failure in 2012.


I'm well aware of that (as are most if not all Commodore nerds).  I was 
referring to the guy that stood up Commodore USA to build PCs in a similar 
form factor to the original breadbox C-64.  He died unexpectedly and the 
company folded.  It would have likely done so anyway, but Barry Altman's 
untimely death hastened it.


Don't try to teach your grandmother how to steal sheep.

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For you SGI fans...

2016-01-12 Thread geneb



https://archive.org/details/cdromsoftware?&sort=-publicdate&and[]=SGI

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Re: For you SGI fans...

2016-01-12 Thread geneb

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016, Ian S. King wrote:


On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:10 PM, geneb  wrote:




https://archive.org/details/cdromsoftware?&sort=-publicdate&and[]=SGI



O. M. G.  Thanks!


You're welcome, but I'm just the guy pointing it out. :)

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Re: For you SGI fans...

2016-01-12 Thread geneb

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016, Ian Finder wrote:


This is a great start, but I wouldn't install this version.
Try to install the 6.5.22 overlay or greater. It does indeed require some
disks from this media set, but is more compatible with newer open source
software built for the platform.

Installing 6.5.0 seems like a waste of time...


So instead of sneering about it, why not upload ISOs of that version?

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Re: For you SGI fans...

2016-01-12 Thread geneb

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016, Ian Finder wrote:


So instead of sneering about it, why not upload ISOs of that version?


I wasn't sneering at it. My goal was to advise people not to waste time
performing a 4 hour install process that takes 6 CDs that each need to be
read in twice only to find out they can't run anything. IRIX is one of the
worst OSes to go thru such a process for.

Because the way you worded it appeared to invalidate what was done without 
offering anything more than "a waste of time".  Had you written, "It's a 
waste of time because ", then I probably wouldn't have 
been a dick about it.


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Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-14 Thread geneb

On Wed, 13 Jan 2016, Paul Koning wrote:




On Jan 13, 2016, at 6:01 PM, William Donzelli  wrote:

Er...Heathkit is long gone.


It was for a while.  But it's back.  Check out heathkit.com.


The radio kit they're selling is an embarassment.

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Retrocomputing on StackExchange...

2016-01-15 Thread geneb

http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/94441/retro-computing

I think this is actually a pretty good idea and StackExchange is a great 
platform.


As of right now it needs 11 more people following it (and more questions).

tnx.

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Re: Retrocomputing on StackExchange...

2016-01-15 Thread geneb

On Fri, 15 Jan 2016, David Brownlee wrote:


On 15 January 2016 at 13:50, geneb  wrote:


http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/94441/retro-computing

I think this is actually a pretty good idea and StackExchange is a great 
platform.

As of right now it needs 11 more people following it (and more questions).


It might be good to adjust it to include more than just "micro" computers...

Good idea, but it's not up to me - I didn't create the proposed SE 
section. :)


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Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-15 Thread geneb

On Fri, 15 Jan 2016, John Robertson wrote:

I built one of the Heathkit colour TVs in time to watch the moon landings. I 
was 18 and built in one day (and night) and it worked from the first turn on. 
Lasted over twenty years as the main house set only needing service every few 
years until the picture tube gave out finally.



If you're astronomically bored, check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P1HMJOV0qA&list=PLEENdRyj_RZb7hgF_88AoF1yQEPvTqkiC

I finished the build over the holiday break.

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VAXology

2016-01-18 Thread geneb


VAXCINATION A "preventive training" provided to potential
users of the VAX system to prevent software
foul-ups other than deliberate.

VAX-RAY A high-energy screening to determine whether a
user is qualified to have a VAX I/O station on
his floor.

VAXWAGENWhat everyone jumps on after the VAX is approved

VAXING AND  VAXING is the successful use of the VAX during
WAILING the full moon. Wailing is the less successful
alternative during the other lunar phases.

VAXMAS  The day the VAX come in.

VAXCILLATE  To oscillate between possible ways to administer
VAX training.

VAXCIMILE   A German copy of the VAX.

VAXECUTION  The denial to a user of future access to the VAX.

NO VAX TO   A put-down administered to those withour a dial-up
GRIND   line, and hence no acces to the VAX, as in "Infidel!
Let that terminal alone! You have no VAX to grind!"

VAX AND THE SINGLE GIRL  A relationship with much potential.

VAXI! VAXI! A cry heard and unheeded by cruising VAX personnel
as they go around the corridors, hailed by frantic
users-to-be who desire a high-tech ride on the VAX.

AVAXA low-flying VAX with radar.

VAXTENUATINGThe generic excuse used to explain delays in the
CIRCUMSTANCES   delivery of the VAX.

VAXCENTUATE To underline the importance of the VAX.

VAXTERMINATION  The perennial zapping of mysterious files from the
VAX.

VAXCINE An abbreviation for "I have seen the VAX!"

VEDI, VENI, That victory cry - "I saw, I conquered. The VAX
VAXIcame!"

VAXERCISE   An early morning workout on the VAX.

VAXUUM  A computer room without a VAX. Abhorred by nature.

VAXIMUM Keeping silent to the max about the startup of the
VAX.

VAX POPULI  The users.

VAX BUILDUP The result of not using the file delete command
often enough.

VAXACHUSETTSDEC country.

INCOME VAX  What one shouts when the VAX is delivered.

VAX-FREE BOND   A special relationship with a non-VAX computer on
Wall Street.

THE BLUE VAXWorld War I medal honoring high-powered computing.
Also (modern): A VAX made by Smurfs.

VAXIMA  The height of ecstasy reached while computing on
VAX. Also (archaic): Mother of VAX.

VAXIS   What the world of computers rotates on.

GRODY TO THE VAX  Like, y'know, the VAX in the valley fer shure!

VAX-CARSWhat G.M. doesn't make.

VAXICDENT   The spilling of coffee on a VAX terminal.

VAXONERATED The honor of DEC.

VAXLE   That to which the wheels of the VAX are attached.

VAXIDERMIST One who lives by the dictum "You can take the VAX
and stuff it!"

THE VAX OF  Everything you ever wanted to know about the birds
LIFEand the bees (and the bugs in the VAX).

VAX Long-haired northern cousins of the buffalo, used
as beasts of burden in Tibet.

TO VAX ELOQUENT  The act of preparing a glossary for the VAX.


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Re: C64 system cost?

2016-01-20 Thread geneb

On Tue, 19 Jan 2016, Rick Wilbur wrote:


Check eBay right now. A complete system with everything you want, without the 
SD card interface. Has 17 hours left. Bidding with the cost of shipping is at 
$217.00. It will cost you under $100.00 for the SD interface. You might get 
everything you want for around $400.
Type in at eBay search "Commodore C64 System" you will see a complete working 
system with computer, Monitor, floppy drive, cables, power supply and software for sale.
Regards


Craigslist can be a good resource as well.  If you're located in Western 
Washington, I'll GIVE you a system.  You've got to come up with your own 
monitor and printer though. :)


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Re: C64 system cost?

2016-01-20 Thread geneb

On Tue, 19 Jan 2016, drlegendre . wrote:


This coming weekend I'm supposed to receive something like 2-3 complete
C-64 systems with drives, monitors and accys. Who knows, one could be
yours?! =)


Aren't rescues fun? :)

If you're looking for Commodore oriented books or magazines, you can't 
beat the Bombjack Archive: http://www.bombjack.org/commodore.


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Re: SD Card disk drive for C-64?

2016-01-24 Thread geneb

On Sat, 23 Jan 2016, Eric Christopherson wrote:


How did these dumb drives interface with the computer at a software
level? I'd think a DOS would need to be loaded somehow.

The drives had their DOS in ROM.  Keep in mind that the 1541, 1571, etc. 
essentially were computers unto themselves with a CPU (6502), ROM and RAM.


The host computer doesn't need to concern itself with what track & sector 
the drive is reading from - it just tells the drive "send me " 
and the drive is smart enough to do just that.


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PC fonts...

2016-01-24 Thread geneb
This site has a lot of interesting info on a number of fonts used in PCs 
and compatibles.  It looks like there was quite a bit of research 
involved.


http://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/fontlist/

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Re: What to Do with a PS/2?

2016-01-25 Thread geneb

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016, Mark J. Blair wrote:



This machine doesn't have a CD drive, and I don't think it ever did 
based on there being no missing bezel filler panels. But I think that 
the scsi2sd may be able to emulate a CD drive. I'm off to work now, but 
this evening I'll poke around to see what Warp images are out there.


There's a few folks out there running internet-connected BBSes on OS/2. 
You might look into that. :)


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RE: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-12 Thread geneb

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016, Jay West wrote:


Guy wrote...
-
In late '86 I was running a VAX8500 with 2 RA81s
-
Can't be true. There's no such thing as running RA81's *Grin*

Don't laugh.  in 1993 I was running FOUR of them connected to a VAX 8250. 
In my house.  Upstairs. :)


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Re: Looking for PDP handbook

2016-02-19 Thread geneb

On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Richard Cini wrote:

It depends on the quality of the binding and its age, and how much 
pressure you put on the spine. I've done it with the cover up with a 
white paper "mask" on the glass to minimize haze at the edges, and then 
hold the book by hand. There will be some text warping in the scan as a 
result of the gutter of the binding not being flat to the glass.


Of course, if anyone has a copy whose binding is already compromised 
that would be good. I have not found a scan of this anywhere so 
certainly it would be good to scan.



This is an excellent reason to build one of these:

http://www.diybookscanner.org/ :)

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Re: Non-binding-breaking Book scanners (Was: Looking for PDP handbook

2016-02-19 Thread geneb

On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Fred Cisin wrote:


http://www.diybookscanner.org/ :)

Ooh, that's pretty cool.


Yes, but, . . .
I've participated in building a few similar devices.


So download the CAD files and get cracking.

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Re: Non-binding-breaking Book scanners (Was: Looking for PDP handbook

2016-02-19 Thread geneb

On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Fred Cisin wrote:


http://www.diybookscanner.org/ :)

Ooh, that's pretty cool.

Yes, but, . . .
I've participated in building a few similar devices.

So download the CAD files and get cracking.


If that's the way that you WANT to do it.
It's mostly plywood, framing, and some pipe work.
We did one with slotted angle iron, one with unistrut, and a few with scrap 
2x4s.



*sighs theatrically and shuffles off Fred's lawn*

:)

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Re: The AT&T 3B2 is still proprietary

2016-02-23 Thread geneb

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016, Fred Cisin wrote:

Can someone explain this list reply to me what what it has to do with AT&T 
minis?

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016, Alan Hightower wrote:

1) Mike lives in Colorado, Washington, Oregon, or Alaska
2) Mike fell off his Honda ATC 3-wheeler and hit is head really hard
3) Spam bot that has gone self-aware and off it's pre-programmed Viagra
sales script
I'm not sure there is a 4th choice.


4)  It's a metaphor.  "They" have tried for a long time to suppress the right 
of the people to use AT&T 3B2!  Like the Honda ATC 3-wheeler, the AT&T 3B2 
afficionados shall never give up.


5) Got distracted, thought he was replying to a different message.

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Re: Sun 4/260

2016-03-13 Thread geneb

On Sat, 12 Mar 2016, James Vess wrote:


I honestly am a bit surprised, as other dealings I've had with groups that
focus on technology typically are not as welcoming or responsive.


You caught us on a good day.  I'm sure you'll get yelled at next week.

Welcome to the zoo. :)


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Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

2016-03-29 Thread geneb


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45X4VP8CGtk

It's pretty entertaining. :)

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RE: Voltage regulator with alternate voltage source...

2016-04-07 Thread geneb

On Thu, 7 Apr 2016, Bill Sudbrink wrote:


Maybe I'm overthinking this.  If I just put
regulated +5 on the 7805 VIN will it work?


Isn't the minimum input voltage for a 7805, 6vdc?

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RE: network event

2015-05-22 Thread geneb

On Fri, 22 May 2015, Jay West wrote:


Chuck wrote...
-
I, for one, didn't even notice.
-
I really really wish I could say the same. Truly.

Well you're the guy behind the curtain.  We're forbidden from noticing 
you. :D


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Re: more old stuff

2015-05-27 Thread geneb

On Wed, 27 May 2015, Electronics Plus wrote:


A KayPro II and a KayPro II


...so two IIs? :)

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Re: Need Dos bootable 5 1/4" floppy with binary or hex editor

2015-06-07 Thread geneb

On Sat, 6 Jun 2015, jwsmobile wrote:

For Pick folks (Mr. F15) I don't know the sysprog password, and need to null 
it out.


Cool!  Are you going to try to image the disk in order to use it in a 
virtual machine?


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Re: Looking for PDF files of The Computer Journal

2015-06-07 Thread geneb

On Sun, 7 Jun 2015, Kip Koon wrote:


Hi Everyone,

I am looking for pdf files for the Computer Journal.  There is a series of
articles on designing microprocessors I'd like to someday read about.  Any
ideas where they may be located?


https://archive.org/details/the-computer-journal

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Re: using new technology on old machines

2015-06-16 Thread geneb

On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Noel Chiappa wrote:


I wish there was some _easy_ way to lay in a stock of the most common TTL
IC's - e.g. some kind of kit one could buy - but alas, I don't know of any.
(Hence my dream of finding and acquiring someone else's collection! :-)
Suggestions for the source of such a good diversified 'starter kit' welcome...


How about this:
http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_84961_-1


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Re: using new technology on old machines

2015-06-16 Thread geneb

On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Mark J. Blair wrote:




On Jun 16, 2015, at 08:19, geneb  wrote:

On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Noel Chiappa wrote:


I wish there was some _easy_ way to lay in a stock of the most common TTL
IC's - e.g. some kind of kit one could buy - but alas, I don't know of any.
(Hence my dream of finding and acquiring someone else's collection! :-)
Suggestions for the source of such a good diversified 'starter kit' welcome...


How about this:
http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_84961_-1


Very nice! I might just order one of those.


They also offer 4000 series, transistor, resistor, and capacitor 
collections.


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Re: Have you seen Droste Week on RetroBattlestations?

2015-06-18 Thread geneb

On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Chris Osborn wrote:


It’s Droste Week on RetroBattlestations! Inspired by a couple of different 
posts, I thought it would be fun to do a challenge where people don’t just post 
a picture of their computer, but they display the picture of their computer 
*on* their computer and post that! It’s going quite well and I really enjoy 
reading about the hoops people are having to jump through to get pictures 
converted and transferred and displayed.

There have been photos of monochrome computers with high resolution, low 
resolution block graphics, ASCII art on CP/M computers, and even a mechanical 
typewriter! What can you come up with?

The best one by far (so far) is the VT240 that's displaying the picture by 
using a redefined character set.


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Re: XH558 - was Re: using new technology etc

2015-06-19 Thread geneb

On Fri, 19 Jun 2015, ANDY HOLT wrote:



 I expect that quite a lot of Bf109s are currently being made 
airworthy in time for the75th anniversary of AdlerTag … it quite 
surprised me that there were more flyable than I might have guessed, but 
none in the possession of the RAF or the Confederate Airforce - but I'd 
bet that the Battle-of-Britain flight will have restored at least one 
from the RAF museum soon. OK - fun question, when was the last time that 
Bf109s and Spitfires were in genuine aerial combat (and who flew which 
side)? (Last time both were flying in close proximity was probably 
during the making of the film "Battle of Britain" in 1968/9)



I suspect in actual combat would be 1947 in Israel (as the S-199).
The aircraft used in the film were all Buchons, not "real" Bf-109s.
There are a surprising number (4+) of "new build" Bf-109G and K models. 
They're "technically" restorations because they're building around an 
existing data plate.  A leader in this is Arsenal 45.  They've already 
finished the build of a brand new Bf-109K4.  There are also a few people 
involved with building brand new DB-601 engines based on scanned parts, 
original engineering drawings and newly created drawings from existing 
parts.


This ties nicely into this: http://www.simpits.org/geneb/?p=365
*huge grin*

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Re: Northrup Flying Wing - was Re: XH558 - was Re: using new technology etc

2015-06-19 Thread geneb

On Fri, 19 Jun 2015, Toby Thain wrote:



 "in 1949 the Air Force ordered all the flying wings destroyed, all the jigs 
and tools destroyed, every trace of the flying wing eradicated. A few years 
later even the engineering drawings were all destroyed by new Northrop 
management."


I don't know why they went to those lengths, but it's my understanding 
that the program was cancelled because at the time, the USAAF (USAF?) 
mandated stall testing as part of their development programs.  Without 
serious flight control computers, stalling a flying wing just ends up in a 
freshly planted aluminum tree.  Even WITH good computers, stalling a 
flying wing is a Bad Idea(tm).  AFAIK, the B-2 has never been stalled (on 
purpose), even during development.


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Re: [RANT]False Beeprog. AGAIN.

2015-06-23 Thread geneb

On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Johnny Billquist wrote:


On 2015-06-23 18:41, Alexandre Souza wrote:

But unless I misunderstood things, the software merely does a check if
the hardware looks sane, and if not it displays a message saying that
this is the wrong hardware, and it refuses to continue running.


No Johnny. As I said, it bricks (renders inoperable) your hardware
if it isn't original.


Yes. The software refuses to run, and just displays a message that you are 
running on fake hardware.

Does that prevent you from loading some other software on said device?
How did you get the "broken" software on the device?

There is a difference between refusing to run, and trying to destroy the 
hardware.


He's mentioned more than once that this software BRICKS the device.  When 
something is bricked, that means you might as well treat it like the stone 
kind for all the use you're going to get out of it from then on.


It's dead, pushing up daisies, it's run down the curtain to the Choir 
Invisible.  IT'S BRICKED.


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Re: [RANT]False Beeprog. AGAIN.

2015-06-23 Thread geneb

On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Alexandre Souza wrote:




He's mentioned more than once that this software BRICKS the device.  When
something is bricked, that means you might as well treat it like the stone 
kind for all the use you're going to get out of it from then on.


  In the last message I added (render it unoperable) for the ones who don't 
know the slang :)


It's dead, pushing up daisies, it's run down the curtain to the Choir 
Invisible.  IT'S BRICKED.


  Man, I LOLed with this "pushing up daisies" :D 


It is most assuredly NOT pining for the fjords! :)

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Re: [RANT]False Beeprog. AGAIN.

2015-06-23 Thread geneb

On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:

It's dead, pushing up daisies, it's run down the curtain to the Choir 
Invisible.  IT'S BRICKED.
  Man, I LOLed with this "pushing up daisies" :D 

It is most assuredly NOT pining for the fjords! :)


It is a relatively common euphemism, and is explicitly included in the 
classic Monty Python "Dead Parrot" sketch.

http://www.davidpbrown.co.uk/jokes/monty-python-parrot.html


Fred, if there's anyone on this list that DIDN'T get the joke, they need 
to turn in their nerd cards.


:)

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Re: [RANT]False Beeprog. AGAIN.

2015-06-23 Thread geneb

On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:


On 06/23/2015 03:13 PM, geneb wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Johnny Billquist wrote:


On 2015-06-23 18:41, Alexandre Souza wrote:

But unless I misunderstood things, the software merely does a check if
the hardware looks sane, and if not it displays a message saying that
this is the wrong hardware, and it refuses to continue running.


No Johnny. As I said, it bricks (renders inoperable) your hardware
if it isn't original.


Yes. The software refuses to run, and just displays a message that you
are running on fake hardware.
Does that prevent you from loading some other software on said device?
How did you get the "broken" software on the device?

There is a difference between refusing to run, and trying to destroy
the hardware.


He's mentioned more than once that this software BRICKS the device.
When something is bricked, that means you might as well treat it like
the stone kind for all the use you're going to get out of it from then on.

It's dead, pushing up daisies, it's run down the curtain to the Choir
Invisible.  IT'S BRICKED.

g.


Should he stick a fork in it?


Only after unplugging it first.

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Re: [RANT]False Beeprog. AGAIN.

2015-06-23 Thread geneb

On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Johnny Billquist wrote:


On 2015-06-23 22:05, Chuck Guzis wrote:

On 06/23/2015 12:03 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:


What is in the NVRAM? And how did it get there in the first place? Are
you saying that it is impossible to reprogram the device with some other
firmware after you have tried the version Elnec have which detects your
clone?


It's possible, but as I understand it, reprogramming involves using a
PICKit programming tool, something not everyone has access to.  The
point is that prior to Elnec doing their little act of revenge, the
clone programmer worked just fine.  Afterwards, not so much.


So it is recoverable...


*headdesk*

Yes, technically it's recoverable.  A car that's been set on fire and left 
to burn is also technically recoverable.


I assume the system can be upgraded in the field through some built in 
function in the firmware, and that function is also no longer available after 
installing the "latest" version then.


No.  the Elnec firmware update effectively destroys the counterfeit device 
(in the absence of a person with very specific skills that can undo the 
damage).


Well, the criminal part is obviously done by the company cloning the device 
in the first place. Further aggravated by selling it as some other device it 
is not. So they are fraudulent both to Elnec and to end users.


Yes, but as is often the case, the end user doesn't know the device they 
have is counterfeit.


I know that in the US people sue for all kind of things, and sometimes the 
most amazing things stand up in courts, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn 
that this could hold up as well, but in my view, Elnec was perfectly in their 
right to do what they have done.


No they weren't.  They have effectively destroyed property owned by 
someone else.  The fact that the device they destroyed is counterfeit is 
completely irrelevant!  FTDI learned this the hard way when some drooling 
MBA decided it would be a good idea to brick people's serial devices. 
AFAIK, they're STILL suffering for that - as they well should.


If you brick a piece of equipment that I own, don't bother running. 
You'll only die tired.


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Re: email gripe

2015-07-08 Thread geneb

On Tue, 7 Jul 2015, Sean Conner wrote:


[2] mutt.  I was forced to upgrade a decade ago because elm was no
longer maintained and non-Y2K compliant (I think that's why I
switched).


Alpine Forever! :)

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Re: Huge news! MARCH's 501c3

2015-07-27 Thread geneb

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015, Al Kossow wrote:


On 7/27/15 10:54 AM, Evan Koblentz wrote:


"Vintage Computer Federation".



Great

I hope Sellam gets on your ass over that.


Al, don't be a dick.

Evan clearly mentioned that he got Sellam's and Erik Klein's(sp?) OK on 
the name.


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Re: Huge news! MARCH's 501c3

2015-07-27 Thread geneb

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015, Lee Courtney wrote:


I think Al forgot the :-) for the humor impaired.

From past experience, probably not.


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Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread geneb

On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, William Donzelli wrote:


There are several kinds. These:

  http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/pdp11/jpg/H960FrontPanelClips.jpg


You know...that wouldn't be terribly difficult to print.  The heat-set 
inserts are easily obtainable too. (that little metal threaded bit)


Anyone have a broken one they can send me for Evil Experiments? :)

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Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-29 Thread geneb

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, Vincent Slyngstad wrote:


From: Pete Turnbull: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 2:57 AM

On 29/07/2015 07:24, Vincent Slyngstad wrote:

I've placed a new design at:
http://svn.so-much-stuff.com/svn/trunk/3D/rack-bracket/bracket-new.jpg


That looks pretty good to me, and the only refinements I'd suggest are 
these:


Firstly, to add a small fillet to the junction of post and flat surface, so 
that there's a small radius, perhaps 0.5mm - 1.0mm, at the transition.  The 
sharp transition will concentrate any stress, and a radius will reduce 
that.  I'm not sure how much difference it makes for a 3D-printed object 
but it would be significant for injection moulding. 


Are you referring to the junction of the post and the block?  That would be 
easy enough to do (though tedious in SketchUp).


...which is why SketchUp shouldn't be used for CAD work.  If you're using 
Windows, I strongly suggest you get DesignSpark Mechanical - it's free to 
use and has a work flow very similar to SketchUp.  If you're not using 
Windows, give the current release of FreeCAD a shot.


When it comes to CAD work, SketchUp is THE worst choice possible.

You should also do your design work in metric if you expect to be having 
parts printed.  Scaling isn't a practical solution because it can 
introduce problems depending on the slicer used.


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Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-29 Thread geneb
I have a crufty old version of DesignSpark PCB.  I'll have a look at 
Mechanical.


It's basically SpaceClaim that's been tweaked to only output it's native 
file format and STL files.


You should also do your design work in metric if you expect to be having 
parts printed.  Scaling isn't a practical solution because it can introduce 
problems depending on the slicer used.


I can export in metric, but the DEC designs generally don't make much sense 
unless you're doing them in power of 2 fractions of inches.

Everything is 1/8", 1/4", etc.


The problem is that the toolchains for 3D printing are all (or at least 
all the ones I've seen - which is a lot) metric.


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Re: A Final Word (FINAL)

2015-07-31 Thread geneb

On Fri, 31 Jul 2015, Matt Patoray wrote:


Since the S/N ratio on the list is now at about 20 dB and falling, I am
done with the list.


7 messages (including yours...gah!  Now *8*) out of 1163 is not exactly 
bad ratio.  Maybe you forgot how to math today? :D


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Re: This Hobby Is Actually Useful!

2015-08-03 Thread geneb

On Mon, 3 Aug 2015, Sean Caron wrote:


When it comes to soldering, I usually recommend Hakko or Pace irons; I have
a Hakko 936 and it's a great "all-rounder". The FX-888D seems to be their
recommended replacement for the 936 so I guess I will endorse that, if they
are making the new models as well as they built the old ones (although IMO
they look a little silly now) ... I paid less than $100 USD for my 936
brand new and I think I just got it from some random eBay vendor, maybe you
can find them there, even in the Commonwealth?

I have both the FX-888 and FX-888D.  They're VERY nice irons.  The tips 
are the same as those used with the 936.


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Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System

2015-08-06 Thread geneb

On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Marc Verdiell wrote:


Wow. I'll never complain again that it takes too long to boot Windows...

One thing I don't understand - why can't the machine boot on its own?  Why 
would IBM design a computer that required another computer just to boot 
it?


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RE: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System

2015-08-06 Thread geneb

On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Jay West wrote:


Gene wrote...
-
One thing I don't understand - why can't the machine boot on its own?  Why
would IBM design a computer that required another computer just to boot it?

To report higher sales of OS2/Warp? ;)


I'll rate that as "Midly Plausible". :)


Not the only one though, ISTR the 11/780 used a 11/03 to boot?

I guess I just don't understand WHY.  Wouldn't it be more economical (both 
from a manufacturing and sales standpoint) to design a mini or mainframe 
that could boot with nothing more than a dumb terminal as a system 
console?


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Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System

2015-08-06 Thread geneb

On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Guy Sotomayor wrote:


In many cases more than one!  ;-)

But more to the point, having a separate processor handing the booting chores 
frees the
main CPU from those tasks.  Initialization can be a pain just look at the x86 
ISA and the
hoops it makes the S/W (BIOS & OS) just to get to the point where the OS can 
really start
it's own initialization!  And that doesn't even cover the "magic" that goes 
on just so that

the x86 CPU can fetch the first instruction.

As folks have mentioned, a lot of larg(er) system have service processors to 
handle the
booting chores.  However, it's more than that.  The service processor (as the 
name
implies) is doing a whole lot more than just booting.  It is also responsible 
for running
low level diagnostics and capturing the results of hard crashes for later 
diagnosis.




Thanks for the info Guy (and others!).  The biggest machine I ever owed 
was a VAX 8250 that I got straight out of the machine room at 
Mannesmann-Tally in Kent, WA.  Fun machine, but made my upstairs floor sag 
noticeably(sp).  It had four RA-81s and a TU-81+. :)


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Re: Unidentified chip -- Spoiler for HP 1260-0339

2015-08-06 Thread geneb

On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Eric Smith wrote:


On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:22 AM, tony duell  wrote:

Amazingly there is nothing inside that 16pin DIL package. No silicon chip, no 
thick-film resistor
network, nothing. It is just a package with the pins.


Are you sure? They might have gotten a really good deal on
house-marked Signetics 25120 chips, with not all of the address lines
bonded out.


It could also be a chip used to test an auto-insertion machine or wave 
solder machine.  If memory serves, they'll use correctly pinned but "fake" 
parts to test those processes before moving to the more expensive real 
thing.


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Re: test equipment / Re: Z80 / Z84C Swap (Doh!)

2015-08-17 Thread geneb

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015, Noel Chiappa wrote:


   > From: Eric Smith

   > If a person has any reasonable business justification

But a lot of the people here don't; they're purely hobbyists. So spending
$1K on a piece of test equipment just isn't realistic for them.

Having said that, I do see some DSO's on eBay for not much money (e.g. the
little hand-held ones), and those might be a good alternative to a logic
analyzer - I never used one, so I tend not to think of them.

I scored a Rigol DS1102E for $219 last week.  It needs two new rotary 
encoders, but it did pass all the self-tests.  Repair parts were under $3.


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Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-18 Thread geneb

On Tue, 18 Aug 2015, Al Kossow wrote:


He destroyed the organizational schema of bitsavers when he "mirrored" it
and had his little band of minions "curate" it for IA.

Bullshit.  His mirror has zero effect on your original site or 
organization.


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Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-21 Thread geneb

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Evan Koblentz wrote:



Years ago I needed a HP service manual for a plotter I was trying to repair 
that I owned. HP of course wouldn't let me have it, so I had to buy a PDF 
copy from someone on eBay. I ended up removing the password and posting it 
on my website.


That's called "stealing".

No it's not.  At *worst* you're voilating the copyright of someone elses 
copyright violation. COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT IS. NOT. THEFT.  This is not 
my opinion, it's decided case law by the Supreme Court.



The more of it turned free, the better.


True, but you can't just take the law into your own hands.


Well until we get together enough people together to buy a Senator or 
three like the likes of Disney does, we're not left a whole lot of options.


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Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-21 Thread geneb

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, william degnan wrote:


As a musician sometimes the bar pays the ASCAP fees sometimes they
don't but at least there is a way to compensate the song copyright
owner when a band plays a cover song on stage at a bar.  I wonder if
some sort of ASCAP for out of print manuals could workthis way
owners could register their manuals and make it public where to send
fees AND the fees would be low enough that people would not mind
paying them.  This puts some responsibility on the manual owner to
make their claim I suppose.  Then you have international vs. domestic
copyright, etc.

...but unlike with ASCAP, the creator of the manual would actually see 
some money? ;)


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Re: Vintage Software Copyright

2015-08-21 Thread geneb

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Rod Smallwood wrote:



So what is the lifetime of a software copyright ?

You're going to die before it expires.  Quite possibly your grand children 
as well.


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Re: Vintage Software Copyright

2015-08-21 Thread geneb

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, et...@757.org wrote:

I *DO* have friends that are interested in vintage computing but work in jobs 
where any copying of any software that isn't strictly allowed by law is a 
no-no, and they're pretty much stuck. Own a couple of computers but can't do 
much because it's difficult to buy software for Commodore 64 (especially 
development tools) and stuff. I think it's madness but gotta feed the 
landlord/bankers.


They must be getting paid pretty well if they're allowing their employer 
to perform random inspections of their homes and personal computers.


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Re: More on manuals plus rescue

2015-08-21 Thread geneb

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Evan Koblentz wrote:



That's why I speak out against attempts to paint copyright violation as 
other things, such as theft: it's an appeal to emotions, trying to equate 
"thing I want people to oppose" with "very different thing I expect people 
already consider bad".  It's a fundamentally dishonest bit of oratory.


I write for a (meager) living. If someone were to take my work and decide for 
themselves that it should be online for free, then they ARE stealing from me. 
That is reality, not the semantics of case law.


No, they're not stealing from you.  Quit taking talking points from the 
RIAA.


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Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread geneb

On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Kyle Owen wrote:


On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Al Kossow  wrote:


look at ALL of the documentation of the period
NO ONE called them PUNCH cards



Section 7:
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/burroughs/200-21001B_B200_SeriesRefMan_Jul64.pdf
"Punch card stock" "punch card peripherals"

Second to last page:
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/univac/terminals/brochures/U5219_DCT_1000_Brochure_May70.pdf
"punch card reading and handling"

3rd page in PDF:
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/hp/2000TSB/36000-91001_HP2000_contribLibrDoc_Vol1_Aug76.pdf
"Punch card equipment test"

Section 5.3:
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/philco/s-2000/TRANSAC_S-2000_System_Description_Jan58.pdf
"On-Line Punch Card System" "can read punch cards"

Page 23-5:
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com//pdf/honeywell/multics/GB61-01B_OperatorsGde_Dec87.pdf
"different punch card decoding conventions"

While I prefer the term "punched card," I cannot agree with the
aforementioned capitalized generalizations.



So THAT's what a "petard" looks like!

:D

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Re: punchcard svg file available

2015-09-10 Thread geneb

On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:


On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Mike Stein wrote:
For a while many utility bills etc. were sent out with prepunched cards 
containing the customer and billing information, to be mailed back with 
your payment for proper allocation.


A guy that I went to school with, would always take those utility bills, and 
before sending them back, would punch "/*" in the first two columns.

(NOTE: we're talking 360 JCL, not C source code)


This is at least the 2nd time I've seen this message today.  Mailman gone 
mental on us Jay?


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Re: internet blocking problem ?

2015-09-11 Thread geneb

Can you do a traceroute to members.iinet.net.au? In case DNS is blocked,
the IP address is 203.0.178.90. I've been on iiNet since they bought out
my previous ISP.


Here's a traceroute sample:
 1  75-145-20-102-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (75.145.20.102) 
0.554 ms  1.468 ms  1.878 ms

 2  96.120.101.173 (96.120.101.173)  12.365 ms  13.275 ms  13.457 ms
 3  te-0-2-0-4-sur02.tacoma.wa.seattle.comcast.net (68.87.207.193)  21.075 
ms  21.161 ms  21.245 ms
 4  be-1-sur03.tacoma.wa.seattle.comcast.net (69.139.164.210)  19.539 ms 
20.673 ms  20.886 ms
 5  be-28-ar01.seattle.wa.seattle.comcast.net (69.139.164.205)  25.549 ms 
25.034 ms  25.142 ms
 6  be-33650-cr02.seattle.wa.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.93.165)  25.681 ms 
23.712 ms  23.783 ms
 7  he-0-13-0-0-pe04.seattle.wa.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.82.234)  21.195 
ms  15.285 ms  22.278 ms
 8  as174.seattle.wa.ibone.comcast.net (66.208.228.110)  22.719 ms  16.767 
ms  19.258 ms
 9  be2084.ccr22.sea01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.253)  20.280 ms 
19.499 ms  22.475 ms
10  be2077.ccr22.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.241)  37.690 ms 
be2075.ccr21.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.233)  36.861 ms 
be2077.ccr22.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.241)  33.408 ms
11  be2164.ccr21.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.28.34)  34.810 ms 
be2165.ccr22.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.28.66)  39.254 ms 
be2164.ccr21.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.28.34)  39.929 ms
12  be2160.ccr21.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.27.161)  47.379 ms 
be2161.ccr22.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.27.169)  48.420 ms  45.969 
ms
13  be2017.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.237)  43.561 ms 
45.060 ms be2019.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.88.10)  44.200 ms

14  * * *

It times out after the 14th hop.

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Re: Spelling reforms [was RE: punchcard svg file available]

2015-09-11 Thread geneb

On Fri, 11 Sep 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:


On 09/11/2015 12:03 PM, Rich Alderson wrote:


However, it was far earlier than the Victorians.  Noah Webster
(1758-1843) only overlaps the Victorian era by 6 years; he was
reacting against the aristocratic spelling norms of the 17th and 18th
centuries, when Latin and Greek were held to be more important than
English in the learning of the latter language.  His spelling book
was originally published in 1783.



It should be noted that neither Webster, nor Col. McCormick (he of the 
Chicago Tribune simplified spelling) got all of what they wanted.


Webster wanted spellings of "ake", "soop", "cloke", "wimmen"...

The NEA in the 1890s accounted for "catalog", "prolog", "program"...

Then there was the Simplified Spelling Board of 1906, advocated by Andrew 
Carnegie and Theodore Roosevelt.  Congress didn't much care for the 300-word 
list, but some spellings made it into modern usage. "Meter", "maneuver", 
"orthopedic", "omelet", "sulfate", "wagon" are among those.


Thus, US spelling has been a work in progress.


This discussion reminds me of this quote:

"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that 
English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; 
on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat 
them unconscious and riffle their pockets for new vocabulary."


:)

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RE: It's BASIC Week again!

2015-09-13 Thread geneb

On Sun, 13 Sep 2015, Dave G4UGM wrote:


Well, participating in such an event for the fun of it might be interesting, but
to be perfectly frank, I don't know what one calls "BASIC" anymore.



Isn't that a Retro Question ? I seem to remember it being asked about 
GFA basic ..


If the disks are still good, I've actually got a copy of GFA Basic for 
DOS. :)


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Re: It's BASIC Week again!

2015-09-13 Thread geneb

On Sun, 13 Sep 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:


On 09/13/2015 01:18 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:

Well, participating in such an event for the fun of it might be
 interesting, but to be perfectly frank, I don't know what one
calls "BASIC" anymore.


Does it have to be TRUE BASIC, or are street BASICs accepted?


I didn't want to bring up TRUE BASIC, as I suspect not a lot of "other" 
BASICs would understand it.


How about BASIC-E or CBASIC?  And what's this DOS stuff?  Was there an 
official IBM BASIC for DOS/360?  How about my own creation, STAR BASIC?  I've 
still got a T-shirt and manual for it (and some source code somewhere)...


If your BASIC of choice can produce a program for the contest, who the 
hell cares what dialect or platform it's for?  As long as it's "vintage", 
run with it.


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Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread geneb

On Mon, 14 Sep 2015, drlegendre . wrote:


To the clown, to the CLOWN!!

=P


Fixed that for ya.

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Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-25 Thread geneb

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:


On 09/24/2015 04:30 PM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:


IMHO, you want to buy at one generation below the current max
capacity on the assumption that they ironed out the bugs on that
one.


So, if you were to move up from the 500GB SATA drives to the "next 
generation", which would you choose?


I've got a number of WD Blue 1TB drives in use.  They're very good drives. 
You can find them for around $50 each too.


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Re: A new Lisp-based OS that hearkens back to the old days of comprehensible computers

2015-10-01 Thread geneb

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015, Liam Proven wrote:


* m0n0wall


Isn't m0n0wall just a LiveCD for a firewall?  It was when I used it last.

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Re: Weird c. 1982 Onyx systems 68010-based UNIX minicomputer

2016-04-19 Thread geneb

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016, Ian Finder wrote:


I don't really need anything- the machine was new in box and works
correctly. It has media- but I'd love more context if people know it. Sure,
it's a very boring generic M68K box, but I can barely find any record of it
existing.

While (probably) not directly related to that machine, the only other Onyx 
I've ever heard of was in the early to mid 80's.  It ran a multi-user 
Citadel (bbs) and was located somewhere in King County.  The name of the 
system escapes me.


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Re: Keys - Non-Ace was RE: ACE Key codes (xx2247 etc.)

2016-04-19 Thread geneb

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Fred Cisin wrote:


On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Paul Koning wrote:
Look here, http://www.hpcworld.com/mobile/km/pocketcutup/index.html, click 
"See the manual", it's at the bottom of the first page.
Looks like a neat little machine.  I don't have one (or any knowledge of 
these devices), but if I needed keys like that I'd consider it.


It's a little costly for the amount of need that we have.
What do you think of the Klom imitation of it?


If someone wants to send me a 3D model of a key, I'll try 3D printing one 
to see how that works out.


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Vintage computer ads...

2016-04-20 Thread geneb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T1IYdjOpYE

The video is an hour long, but you can skip around.  It includes ads for 
machines like the ITT Xtra, IBM PC Jr, etc.  The Hayes Smartmodem ad is 
just atrocious. :)  There's even ads for IOMega drives and the Promethus 
Pro Modem...


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Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-04-25 Thread geneb

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote:


On 04/25/2016 09:39 AM, Jon Elson wrote:


I used it to port a couple of my programs from (Ughhh!) Borland
Turbo Pascal for Windows to Linux, and it was a surprisingly painless
job. The only thing I notice is the error messages look exactly like
Borland error messages on DOS.  (Error 132 at 1B7F sort of thing.)


Historically, one of my pet peeves with compiler writers.  IBM 704
FORTRAN had better and clearer diagnostics than many of today's compilers.

Well keep in mind that given that error, you could stick that address into 
the "Find Error Location" of the IDE and it would drop you right on the 
line of code that triggered the error.


Check out Lazarus for doing cross-platform GUI applications.

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Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-04-26 Thread geneb

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Jon Elson wrote:


On 04/25/2016 12:42 PM, geneb wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote:


On 04/25/2016 09:39 AM, Jon Elson wrote:


I used it to port a couple of my programs from (Ughhh!) Borland
Turbo Pascal for Windows to Linux, and it was a surprisingly painless
job. The only thing I notice is the error messages look exactly like
Borland error messages on DOS.  (Error 132 at 1B7F sort of thing.)


Historically, one of my pet peeves with compiler writers.  IBM 704
FORTRAN had better and clearer diagnostics than many of today's compilers.

Well keep in mind that given that error, you could stick that address into 
the "Find Error Location" of the IDE and it would drop you right on the 
line of code that triggered the error.



Yes, does that work with FPC on Linux?

It's possible.  FPC uses GDB for the debugger - you'd have to check to see 
if the text mode IDE has the error location feature that the Turbo Pascal 
IDE had.  I'm not sure about Lazarus as I don't use it often.


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Re: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

2016-04-27 Thread geneb

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Sean Conner wrote:


It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated:



What I've often wondered is why there are so many IT people with the
same sort of laments and we haven't all collectively built our own
networks over wireless ?


The crazy patchwork quilt of regulations applying to amateur use of
radio spectrum, is my guess.  Now, I would add the depressingly high
chance of being invaded by the masses if/when we build something big
enough to be useful.  We've already built one network only to have it
invaded and overrun; why would we expect anything different to happen
to the new one?


 Just look into the political machinations of what was known as FidoNet to
see how this could end up.

What IS known as FidoNet (1:138/142 here. :) ) and it's still a political 
shit-show, mostly due to people from Zone 2. *sigh*


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Re: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

2016-04-27 Thread geneb

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, John Willis wrote:





What IS known as FidoNet (1:138/142 here. :) ) and it's still a political

shit-show, mostly due to people from Zone 2. *sigh*



Why, hello, 1:138/142! 1:305/1 here!


#fidobros!  *laughs uproariously*

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Re: FidoNet ....show [was: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]]

2016-04-30 Thread geneb

On Sun, 1 May 2016, Tomasz Rola wrote:


On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 10:07:34AM -0700, geneb wrote:

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Sean Conner wrote:


[...]

Just look into the political machinations of what was known as FidoNet to
see how this could end up.


What IS known as FidoNet (1:138/142 here. :) ) and it's still a
political shit-show, mostly due to people from Zone 2. *sigh*


Pardon my ignorant question but is there a place on the net where I
could read some more about it? Or maybe it is short enough to explain
here?

Books could be written about it unfortunately,  One of the more annoying 
aspects is Bjorn Felten, the current editor of FidoNews - he's refused 
repeated requests to pass on his editor duties for various reasons and 
he's refused - for at least the last 10 years.  Find a telnetable BBS 
that's a member of FidoNet and start reading the FidoNews echo for a taste 
of the insanity.  The Fido Sysop (FNSYSOP) is also a pretty deranged 
place.


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Re: Ideas for running a VB4 application on modern hardware?

2016-05-03 Thread geneb

On Tue, 3 May 2016, Liam Proven wrote:


On 3 May 2016 at 05:24, Chuck Guzis  wrote:

The hardware's not there to run 16-bit code natively in 64 bit
mode.



I think you mean software?

It is possible to run Windows 7's XP Mode under Windows 8.x -- I've done it.

http://www.howtogeek.com/171395/how-to-get-windows-xp-mode-on-windows-8/

This *might* work on Win10.

The issue is that with 64 bit versions of windows, the 16 bit thunking 
layer isn't present.  The simplest way to do this is to grab VMWare Player 
(free download) and then create a Win98 VM.  Google can point to a number 
of downloadable, ready-to-run Win98SE VMs.


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Re: FidoNet ....show [was: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email...

2016-05-04 Thread geneb

On Wed, 4 May 2016, Tomasz Rola wrote:


Now I even started to think, very shyly, how nice would it have been
to posess even one real IP4 number and have one such thing on my
router. It can run Linux (or so OpenWRT guys claim), so it can run
gopherd too. Albeit I would rather have non-Linux on it. My dreams
always have this complicated multistory property. Of course my cabletv
can sell me "business" service. Ugh. This is tempting but I am
strong. :-)

There are services like http://www.noip.com/free where you can get a DNS 
entry for dynamically changing IP addresses.  This way you can run a BBS 
without having to buy a business class account.


You could even bring up an AWS instance for about $5 a month, which is 
great for doing BBS work. :)


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Re: Ideas for running a VB4 application on modern hardware?

2016-05-04 Thread geneb

On Wed, 4 May 2016, Liam Proven wrote:


On 3 May 2016 at 16:20, geneb  wrote:

The issue is that with 64 bit versions of windows, the 16 bit thunking layer
isn't present.  The simplest way to do this is to grab VMWare Player (free
download) and then create a Win98 VM.  Google can point to a number of
downloadable, ready-to-run Win98SE VMs.


VMware Player is freeware, not FOSS, and there might be licensing issues.

Irrelevant.  (EULAs have the same value as toilet paper and shoul be used 
for the same purpose.)



[c] Using the XP Mode VM, which is freely downloadable from MS, you do
not need to install and customise it.


64 bit host OS = 64 Bit XP Mode VM.  (AFAIK)

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Re: 3D Printing cases and SGI "skins"

2016-05-11 Thread geneb

On Wed, 11 May 2016, Swift Griggs wrote:



Has anyone used a 3D printer to make a case for their old machine ? I've
started drafting an SGI Indy "skin" in Sketch, but it's just a box right
now, nothing cool. I've noticed and been somewhat inspired by these:

Do NOT use SketchUp to create parts for 3D printing.  You'll end up with 
an STL that's all screwed up.  A good, free tool for this kind of thing 
would be DesignSpark Mechanical.  It has a workflow similar to SketchUp.


There's other free-to-use packages out there but I'm not familiar with 
them.



A C64 custom job:
https://3dprint.com/39764/3d-print-commodore-case/


That's not a C-64.  It's an emulated C-64 with a PC keyboard. :)

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Re: 3D Printing cases and SGI "skins"

2016-05-11 Thread geneb

On Wed, 11 May 2016, Swift Griggs wrote:


On Wed, 11 May 2016, geneb wrote:

Do NOT use SketchUp to create parts for 3D printing.  You'll end up with
an STL that's all screwed up.


Ah, okay, thanks for this tip.

NP.  If you're going to the Bay Area Maker Faire, stop by the SeeMeCNC 
booth and say hi. :)



A good, free tool for this kind of thing would be DesignSpark
Mechanical.  It has a workflow similar to SketchUp.


Cool. I'm not fond of SketchUp anyhow. I'm switchin'. If you've ever used
qcad, I'm wondering what you or others might know/think of it. That one
works on my Unix boxes, that's why I ask. It's been flirting with me every
since I've seen it appearing in various pkg repos.

I only use SolidWorks.  There's nothing out there for MacOS or *nix that 
I'd spend the effort to throw a brick at.  :)


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Re: 3D Printing cases and SGI "skins"

2016-05-11 Thread geneb

On Wed, 11 May 2016, alexmcwhir...@triadic.us wrote:


On 2016-05-11 17:59, geneb wrote:


Cool. I'm not fond of SketchUp anyhow. I'm switchin'. If you've ever used
qcad, I'm wondering what you or others might know/think of it. That one
works on my Unix boxes, that's why I ask. It's been flirting with me every
since I've seen it appearing in various pkg repos.


I only use SolidWorks.  There's nothing out there for MacOS or *nix
that I'd spend the effort to throw a brick at.  :)

g.


FreeCad has worked great for all of my printing needs FWIW. Granted i tend to 
build structural things, not necessarily pretty things. I did however design 
a 1U server case that holds 8 RPi's with a integrated PSU / UltraCap UPS.




I've heard good things about FreeCAD, but only if you're using the 
nighties.  Apparently the "stable" version is way behind feature-wise.


A number of people are using Blender for organic shapes, but I don't know 
how well it outputs STL files.  (That and the learning curve is a 90 
degree angle.)


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Re: 3D Printing cases and SGI "skins"

2016-05-12 Thread geneb

On Wed, 11 May 2016, Mike Barnes wrote:


On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Swift Griggs  wrote:

Has anyone used a 3D printer to make a case for their old machine ? I've
started drafting an SGI Indy "skin" in Sketch, but it's just a box right
now, nothing cool.


Not an actual old machine, but I did a mini-blinkenlights replica of an
HP-2100 system that has an Odroid-C1 in one of the boxes and uses simH to
emulate HP Access (see https://www.flickr.com/photos/mikebikes/22213398140).
Each box was bigger than my printer (Makerbot Rep2), so had to be built in
pieces and assembled using thermoplastic inserts. There's also a black 3d
printed light tunnel inside to keep the lights from leaking to the adjacent
lights.


That's really slick!  Condolences on owning a takerbot. :)


This design was done using OpenSCAD (http://www.openscad.org). For almost
all of my designs these days, I use Onshape (https://cad.onshape.com). Both
have their uses. Onshape has a learning curve, but is extremely powerful.
Mike

OpenSCAD always struck me as a poor programming language masquerading as 
an even worse parametric design tool, but some folks seem to enjoy it.


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