Re: 5150/5151 Video Card??

[Chuck Guzis]

On 08/14/2016 09:21 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
> That one has a lightpen connector, which his dorsn't. Not usually
> important, but it might have other differences, such as different
> functions for the switchrs.

Take another look--the one in the photo has the header in the same place
as that in the cited drawing.

Taiwanese makers were extremely, er, incestuous, back in the day.

The other telling thing is that there's no crystal/XCO on the board.
CGA cards, generally don't have one--they take their timebase from the
14.318 MHz ISA bus signal.  MDA/MGA cards all have their own timebase
(crystal/XCO).  EGA cards may have several.


--Chuck

Re: 5150/5151 Video Card??

[Alexandre Souza]

This is a CGA clone. It can work with CGA and Hercules monitors/modes, and
usually were switched by a program called MONO.COM.
I Believe I have some boards like that. Possibly I have the manual and
disk.

2016-08-15 1:53 GMT-03:00 Chuck Guzis :

> On 08/14/2016 09:21 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
> > That one has a lightpen connector, which his dorsn't. Not usually
> > important, but it might have other differences, such as different
> > functions for the switchrs.
>
> Take another look--the one in the photo has the header in the same place
> as that in the cited drawing.
>
> Taiwanese makers were extremely, er, incestuous, back in the day.
>
> The other telling thing is that there's no crystal/XCO on the board.
> CGA cards, generally don't have one--they take their timebase from the
> 14.318 MHz ISA bus signal.  MDA/MGA cards all have their own timebase
> (crystal/XCO).  EGA cards may have several.
>
>
> --Chuck
>

Re: 5150/5151 Video Card??

[Fred Cisin]

That one has a lightpen connector, which his dorsn't. Not usually

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote:

Take another look--the one in the photo has the header in the same place
as that in the cited drawing.


You're right.
I only sae the resistor pack.

That does look like the one.


why the unnecessary switches?
(CGA does mode switching in software, and enables simultaneous composite 
and RGB, hence the IBM vetsion dorsn't need switches)

Re: 5150/5151 Video Card??

[COURYHOUSE]

sad when you  think of all the  cards that have been scrapped  over the 
last  20 years  for early PC
 
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 8/14/2016 10:55:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
ccl...@sydex.com writes:

On  08/14/2016 10:15 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:

> why the unnecessary  switches? (CGA does mode switching in software,
> and enables  simultaneous composite and RGB, hence the IBM vetsion
> dorsn't need  switches)

I think that the switches mostly relate to output  configurations; that
is, they don't change the basic operation.  For  example, the "monochrome
composite" is probably  just luminance, blank  and sync (VBS), whereas
the "color composite" is the complete CVBS  signal.

I suspect that setting either of the two composite modes  probably
disables the output at the DE-9.

It would be interesting to  see what other combinations of switches
produce something useful.

Of  course, this is all wild-hare speculation on my part, as I don't  have
anything like this card sitting in my  hellbox.

FWIW,
Chuck

Re: 5150/5151 Video Card??

[Chuck Guzis]

On 08/14/2016 10:15 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:

> why the unnecessary switches? (CGA does mode switching in software,
> and enables simultaneous composite and RGB, hence the IBM vetsion
> dorsn't need switches)

I think that the switches mostly relate to output configurations; that
is, they don't change the basic operation.  For example, the "monochrome
composite" is probably  just luminance, blank and sync (VBS), whereas
the "color composite" is the complete CVBS signal.

I suspect that setting either of the two composite modes probably
disables the output at the DE-9.

It would be interesting to see what other combinations of switches
produce something useful.

Of course, this is all wild-hare speculation on my part, as I don't have
anything like this card sitting in my hellbox.

FWIW,
Chuck

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Christian Liendo]

I don't know about now, but SGI used to have a lot of Govt contracts
and a lot of oil companies as customers. HP buying that also means
they now have the ears of those customers when their solutions are old
and they need to migrate to new equipment.

I predict a lot of late model Irix equipment coming into the used market place.

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Mark Linimon]

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 07:40:32AM -0400, Christian Liendo wrote:
> I don't know about now, but SGI used to have a lot of Govt contracts
> and a lot of oil companies as customers.

IIRC Unisys eventually turned into a government contractor.

The thing is, if you build an organization big enough to navigate the
government biddding maze successfully, you have something of value,
whether you still manufacture anything or not.

Don't assume that I have a high opinion of this btw :-) , it's just
a fact.

mcl

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Steve Bez]

Hey read ,it's not about persons,the me,hang boss spam off yer troll
e.read,or leave it alone.

On Monday, August 15, 2016, Al Kossow  wrote:

> On 8/14/16 10:14 PM, Steve Bez wrote:
>
>> My English commuter wrote that
>>
>
> Can someone remove this git off the list, please?
>
>
>

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Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Steve Bez]

Major thing is ,what thought was read anyway, is the cycles followed by
what is or was a long time ago that SGI and dev with HP were beneath a
layer of pascal that IBM and the clones 'documented' before www internet
existed as a whole, Reason constantly given for these acts that you read
about but do not know if occur of not,especially if you rad IBM company as
buisness word of what other platforms were not ever f follow,etc, where
encryption of info attaches these cycles until the likes of un paralleled
complaints are read too allow reveals of squeeze Le mom races that these
indoctrinate round and round when they are not heards listen or at matter
too read but act. The fortran use openMP where Oracle was very long before
any that,the mainframe relevant other that also produced acts of authors
written upon the program as dive bomber pig win kill the lots? Where the
chair was not fabricated as build system control as believed university
professors etc,from the machines language,basically using USB plug in SAN
endevours G NAS outside of node which can predominate Java as noticed or
not other web info where you don't know the way back? This British
invention , Google ,which was packed into the index engine you use. This
the Memex dream never materialized ,when many knew it was not cycle 2000
u.k and outside its u.s.a as call DOS means hardware coded use,you see why
Java determines encryption basis as font weights and measures immediate
bomb into yell of describe hardware,DES into
r.s.a,limits,chain,table,state? Where parallel processing describes things
into immediate acts of the sum unrealized as puppet master gangs of doing
in too? Hence u.s.a cell phone believed as this is u.k? Besides Q was James
bind(Hence the bible & currency read as financial tic tac toe)left ever
simple for anyone too have or get,providing they don't run round the pole
making orders if every own? This QT4 too QTDesigner Nokia run into
Microsoft of Apple is now NY o go away,dart in a pub?
  Parallel processes with MIT mention or involved is totally different
computing Turing? Where you don't read or use math as you concider three
Rs,why rote spells that out into semantics each originated,yet again,tells
of unknown homo phone that you build reading at this role person you slag
off,so it's easy that you don't get as clockwork orange Rozzetta of symbol
sign and read of words written is just bake robot blame of get unheard
slang too have hitler love affairs of yelling into every not you swear you
would not ever do or be where you give and you say too try spell that into
see until there's no sence but ruled nonsence you use too bomb chaos in
feee HERES owned spooks of another ghost ship off .Where FPU is not math?
Turing graphs? Cycles that have iteration ,that you must follow a cross
many layered networks until you hear or read the notion to gear into the
cross word puzzles of info that event too show laplacian methods in vey
many why then GPU at parallel processing is punch card joke of ciggerret
vapors,up in smoke? SGI. Gree geek phonetic teak tree deforestation S cats
in Eco,ooo please no,ok?...

On Monday, August 15, 2016, Mark Linimon  wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 07:40:32AM -0400, Christian Liendo wrote:
> > I don't know about now, but SGI used to have a lot of Govt contracts
> > and a lot of oil companies as customers.
>
> IIRC Unisys eventually turned into a government contractor.
>
> The thing is, if you build an organization big enough to navigate the
> government biddding maze successfully, you have something of value,
> whether you still manufacture anything or not.
>
> Don't assume that I have a high opinion of this btw :-) , it's just
> a fact.
>
> mcl
>


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RE: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Jay West]

Yes. Done.

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Al Kossow
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 1:55 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

On 8/14/16 10:14 PM, Steve Bez wrote:
> My English commuter wrote that

Can someone remove this git off the list, please?

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Cameron Kaiser]

> I don't know about now, but SGI used to have a lot of Govt contracts
> and a lot of oil companies as customers. HP buying that also means
> they now have the ears of those customers when their solutions are old
> and they need to migrate to new equipment.
> 
> I predict a lot of late model Irix equipment coming into the used
> market place.

Maybe, maybe not. For some of those apps I don't see HPE's product offerings
being much, if any, better than what's currently on the market. If these
IRIX-hanger-oners didn't see anything compelling to make them junk their
current hardware investment before, I doubt HPESGIWTFOMGBBQWTF will make them
change their mind.

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Differences between a Xerox 6085 and 1186

[Robert Ferguson]

Hi Folks,

Are there any hardware differences between a Xerox 6085 (Daybreak configured to 
run Viewpoint) and a Xerox 1186 (Daybreak configured to run Lisp), or can they 
run each other’s software?

In particular, is there anything preventing a 6085 from running the stuff on 
bitsavers in /bits/Xerox/1186?

Thanks,
Rob Ferguson

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Mark Linimon]

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 08:12:43AM -0500, Jay West wrote:
> Yes. Done.

thank you.

Re: Differences between a Xerox 6085 and 1186

[aswood]

A 6085 can run Viewpoint, GlobalView and Lisp.

But beware, there are two CPU Versions: MBP 1 and MBP 2. 

Bitsavers Lisp is running on one version, as I remember on MBP 1 only.

-- Andreas

> Am 15.08.2016 um 15:23 schrieb Robert Ferguson :
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Are there any hardware differences between a Xerox 6085 (Daybreak configured 
> to run Viewpoint) and a Xerox 1186 (Daybreak configured to run Lisp), or can 
> they run each other’s software?
> 
> In particular, is there anything preventing a 6085 from running the stuff on 
> bitsavers in /bits/Xerox/1186?
> 
> Thanks,
> Rob Ferguson

CDC 603 tape drives an dtCyber

[aswood]

The tape drives are from a 3000 system.

I do have an original cdc 170 series console and it would be a big deal and a 
nice project to get the console and the tape drives connected to dtcyber, since 
I lost almost any hope to get a real cy17x or 18x.

I'll be back home tomorrow and have a detailed look at the peripheral 
controller.

Fortunately I do have a lot of spares.

-- Andreas



> Am 12.08.2016 um 15:59 schrieb Paul Koning :
> 
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2016, at 10:27 PM, asw...@t-online.de wrote:
>> 
>> I do have two original CDC 603 tape drives with controller, but to be honest 
>> it would be quite a challenge to hook them to a modern system.
> 
> 603?  My manuals don't go back that far.  What kind of drive is that, and 
> what does the controller connect to?
> 
> If it's a 6000 series channel interface, then that's very easy to deal with.  
> Channel to PCI-e interfaces have been built (out of FPGAs) and hooked up to 
> DtCyber.  If it's some other type of channel, the same sort of answer would 
> apply; none of those old channels are all that complex.
> 
>paul
> 
> 

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[geneb]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016, Steve Bez wrote:


You must be as crazy as listened too yers English tea cheers who Z HAS you
back in nineteenth century standing ON words where you big your LiVV,leper
key Id boss shrink biz kits,yeah?
IBM,the company 5150-Apple NY
No states.
The end
Monkey swing in tree,no nana aka pied pipe York key hill March back hare
rabbit rabbit punch tune eight shun key of C...mug.


*sigh*

Morons gonna moron.

g.

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RE: R: HP to acquire SGI

[geneb]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016, Jay West wrote:


Yes. Done.


\o/

g.

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Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Noel Chiappa]

> From: Fred Cisin

> Could you get that translated into English, please?

Indeed. Think 'PARRY meets Dissociated Press'.

Noel

RE: 5150/5151 Video Card??

[tony duell]

> My apologies for my previous post; I have not yet received the original
> post.  Thank you, Matt, for having quoted it.
> 
> It does, indeed look like an aftermarket CGA.

I assume the 'CGA' in the name in the silkscreen is relevant!

> The DE connector on there is 9 pin (see solder side), and is probably CGA
> RGB.  (NOT VGA!!)

It only has 16K RAM, a pair of 4416s so it's not EGA or VGA.

BUT

There were a lot of 3rd party cards that could be configured (DIP switches)
to be either MDA (often hercules compatible graphics) or CGA. You had to
use the right monitor, of course.

A trace going to pin 7 of the DE9 is a clue (it's unused on the original CGA
board, it's video on the MDA) but not always. Some CGA-only cards put
the composite signal on pin 7. 

-tony

Re: VAX file format conversion

[Steve Bez]

Is iCl VME sound too use toward VMS from Mac?

On Monday, August 15, 2016, Richard Loken  wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016, Peter Coghlan wrote:
>
> If you are importing files into VMS, you need to become familiar with the
>>> EXCHANGE command.
>>>
>>
> I was a bit puzzled by this.  I thought the main use of EXCHANGE was to
>> to copy files to or from disk or tape volumes which are not in a native
>> VMS format but are in a format native to some other DEC operating system.
>>
>
> On vms say something like this:
>
> $ help analyze
> (pay attention to the parts about /rms and /fdl)
>
> $ help convert
>
> build and and edit an fdl file and then say something like:
>
> $ convert /fdl=foo.fdl foo.old foo.new
>
> sigh.
>
> --
>   Richard Loken VE6BSV, Systems Programmer - VMS   : "...underneath those
>   Athabasca University : tuques we wear, our
>   Athabasca, Alberta Canada: heads are naked!"
>   ** rllo...@telus.net ** :- Arthur Black
>


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Re: Imaging and Emulating Rainbow

[Steve Bez]

Don't know if would possibly work n those as isn't bviosly NT,but there's a
disk for pound fifty eBay.uk open V box?!!

On Monday, August 15, 2016, jim stephens  wrote:

> I downloaded the site and the zip file today (in the last 6 hours or so,
> Sunday PDT US  time, I saw your don't mirror warning after i'd taken a lot,
> so continued.
>
> many thanks for the stuff there.  I had some things from the profolder,
> but not the floppy images.
>
> thanks
> jim
>
> On 8/14/2016 3:17 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote:
>
>> I noticed you have a Pro folder as well, any chance you could zip that

>>> too?
>>
>>> Regards

 Rob


 I zipped all so you have it .
>>>
>>> Ah, I hadn't actually opened it to look inside and thought it was just
>> the
>> Rainbow folder. Thank you very much!
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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RE: Flex Disc options for the HP 9825

[Rik Bos]

https://flic.kr/p/L8SNPJ

Done.

-Rik

> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] Namens Curious Marc
> Verzonden: zondag 14 augustus 2016 21:08
> Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts
> Onderwerp: Re: Flex Disc options for the HP 9825
> 
> Would you pictures of it and where it sits in the machine by any chance?
> Marc
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Aug 14, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rik Bos  wrote:
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > It is a small extra pcb( with hp logo). Both my machines are build in 
> > Germany,
> which is logic because I’m living in the Netherlands and aquired both in 
> Europe.
> > So it could be a local modification made by the Boeblingen factory or even 
> > HP
> Netherlands.
> > I’m happy with it😉
> >
> > -Rik
> >
> > Van: Paul Berger

CDC 6600 Manuals

[william degnan]

I was checking bitsavers for CDC 6600 manuals.  There are a lot of other
models but nothing for the 6600.  There is not on the web technically about
the 6600 other than excerpts of Gordon Bell's book (which I have been
reading "Computer Structures Readings and Examples, chapter 1-2, 39 touches
on the 6600)

http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/cdc/

Here is a recent picture:
http://vintagecomputer.net/pictures/2016/CHM_California/CDC_6600_system.jpg

-- 
Bill Degnan

Re: Flex Disc options for the HP 9825

[Paul Berger]

Wow that is a nicely done add-on,  It looks like it monitors +5 and +12 
and crowbars the RAW +20.   Did they insert any fuses? or do they rely 
on that blowing the main fuse?  That should be easy to duplicate even on 
a breadboard


Paul

On 2016-08-15 11:35 AM, Rik Bos wrote:

https://flic.kr/p/L8SNPJ

Done.

-Rik


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] Namens Curious Marc
Verzonden: zondag 14 augustus 2016 21:08
Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts
Onderwerp: Re: Flex Disc options for the HP 9825

Would you pictures of it and where it sits in the machine by any chance?
Marc

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 14, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rik Bos  wrote:

Paul,

It is a small extra pcb( with hp logo). Both my machines are build in Germany,

which is logic because I’m living in the Netherlands and aquired both in Europe.

So it could be a local modification made by the Boeblingen factory or even HP

Netherlands.

I’m happy with it😉

-Rik

Van: Paul Berger

Re: Differences between a Xerox 6085 and 1186

[Al Kossow]

On 8/15/16 6:58 AM, asw...@t-online.de wrote:
> A 6085 can run Viewpoint, GlobalView and Lisp.
>

And Smalltalk-80 on the MPB 1, if we can figure out how to start it.

Re: CDC 6600 Manuals

[Al Kossow]

On 8/15/16 7:58 AM, william degnan wrote:
> I was checking bitsavers for CDC 6600 manuals.

they are under Cyber

RE: Imaging and Emulating Rainbow

[Jay West]

This account was unsubscribed not sure how this got through subsequently. 
Checking

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Steve Bez
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 9:13 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: Re: Imaging and Emulating Rainbow

Don't know if would possibly work n those as isn't bviosly NT,but there's a 
disk for pound fifty eBay.uk open V box?!!

On Monday, August 15, 2016, jim stephens  wrote:

> I downloaded the site and the zip file today (in the last 6 hours or 
> so, Sunday PDT US  time, I saw your don't mirror warning after i'd 
> taken a lot, so continued.
>
> many thanks for the stuff there.  I had some things from the 
> profolder, but not the floppy images.
>
> thanks
> jim
>
> On 8/14/2016 3:17 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote:
>
>> I noticed you have a Pro folder as well, any chance you could zip 
>> that

>>> too?
>>
>>> Regards

 Rob


 I zipped all so you have it .
>>>
>>> Ah, I hadn't actually opened it to look inside and thought it was 
>>> just
>> the
>> Rainbow folder. Thank you very much!
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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Real time video software for SGI computers

[Matt Patoray]

Hello all,

I know that SGI machines are well know for high end 3D graphics that are
not real time (Jurassic Park, Forrest Gump and the like. But was there ever
any real time 2D/3D graphics programs for title generation to replace a
stand alone  Chyron unit for making opening/closing titles and lower 1/3
graphics?

If so what system would be the best to use, I was thinking an O2 since it
is small and has a low power consumption along with standard composite
video output.

Thanks,

-- 
Matt Patoray
Owner, MSP Productions
KD8AMG

Re: Differences between a Xerox 6085 and 1186

[Robert Ferguson]

> On Aug 15, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Al Kossow  wrote:
> 
> On 8/15/16 6:58 AM, asw...@t-online.de wrote:
>> A 6085 can run Viewpoint, GlobalView and Lisp.
>> 
> 
> And Smalltalk-80 on the MPB 1, if we can figure out how to start it.
> 

I noticed that software in the archive, and it was one of my specific 
interests. Are you hopeful that this can be made to work, or have you reached a 
dead end? 

Thanks,
Rob Ferguson

Re: CDC 6600 Manuals

[william degnan]

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Al Kossow  wrote:

>
>
> On 8/15/16 7:58 AM, william degnan wrote:
> > I was checking bitsavers for CDC 6600 manuals.
>
> they are under Cyber
>
>

Where?  I looked there too.

-- 
Bill Degnan

Re: CDC 6600 Manuals

[william degnan]

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:10 PM, william degnan 
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Al Kossow  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 8/15/16 7:58 AM, william degnan wrote:
>> > I was checking bitsavers for CDC 6600 manuals.
>>
>> they are under Cyber
>>
>>
>
> Where?  I looked there too.
>
> --
> Bill Degnan
>
>
>
Maybe you meant the assembly lang book, but I looked for CDC 6600 manuals
in cyber.  Not sure I would categorize the 6600 too deeply within Cyber.
I'd give it a category of it's own at the model number level.


-- 
Bill Degnan

Re: CDC 6600 Manuals

[william degnan]

http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/cdc/cyber/cyber_70/

has 6600, found it, thanks.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:12 PM, william degnan 
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:10 PM, william degnan 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Al Kossow  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/15/16 7:58 AM, william degnan wrote:
>>> > I was checking bitsavers for CDC 6600 manuals.
>>>
>>> they are under Cyber
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Where?  I looked there too.
>>
>> --
>> Bill Degnan
>>
>>
>>
> Maybe you meant the assembly lang book, but I looked for CDC 6600 manuals
> in cyber.  Not sure I would categorize the 6600 too deeply within Cyber.
> I'd give it a category of it's own at the model number level.
>
>
> --
> Bill Degnan
>
>
>


-- 
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Re: CDC 6600 Manuals

[william degnan]

one last commentlearning here, did not know the connection between
cyber 70 and the 6600.  Thanks

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:19 PM, william degnan 
wrote:

> http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/cdc/cyber/cyber_70/
>
> has 6600, found it, thanks.
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:12 PM, william degnan 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:10 PM, william degnan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Al Kossow  wrote:
>>>


 On 8/15/16 7:58 AM, william degnan wrote:
 > I was checking bitsavers for CDC 6600 manuals.

 they are under Cyber


>>>
>>> Where?  I looked there too.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bill Degnan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Maybe you meant the assembly lang book, but I looked for CDC 6600 manuals
>> in cyber.  Not sure I would categorize the 6600 too deeply within Cyber.
>> I'd give it a category of it's own at the model number level.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bill Degnan
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Bill Degnan
>
>
>


-- 
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Re: CDC 6600 Manuals

[Toby Thain]

On 2016-08-15 10:58 AM, william degnan wrote:

I was checking bitsavers for CDC 6600 manuals.  There are a lot of other
models but nothing for the 6600.  There is not on the web technically about
the 6600 other than excerpts of Gordon Bell's book (which I have been
reading "Computer Structures Readings and Examples, chapter 1-2, 39 touches
on the 6600)

http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/cdc/


That's odd -- I thought there used to be CDC 6600 material here? Scope 
manuals and such? Also the Grishman assembly language book was online -- 
might have been on bitsavers?


--Toby




Here is a recent picture:
http://vintagecomputer.net/pictures/2016/CHM_California/CDC_6600_system.jpg

Re: CDC 6600 Manuals

[Al Kossow]

>> http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/cdc/
> 
> That's odd -- I thought there used to be CDC 6600 material here? 


it's under Cyber

Re: Real time video software for SGI computers

[ethan]

Hello all,
I know that SGI machines are well know for high end 3D graphics that are
not real time (Jurassic Park, Forrest Gump and the like. But was there ever
any real time 2D/3D graphics programs for title generation to replace a
stand alone  Chyron unit for making opening/closing titles and lower 1/3
graphics?
If so what system would be the best to use, I was thinking an O2 since it
is small and has a low power consumption along with standard composite
video output.
Thanks,


Was just a hobbyist but don't remember anything like the Video Toaster per 
say for the SGI. There is Lightwave 3D, and some of the Discreet stuff on 
it. Also Maya3D I think it was? One of the other 3D packages. You could do 
titles in 3d application then either genlock it or telecine it?


I think most of the uses for the SGI stuff were either 3d rendering type 
applications, high resolution paint box type stuff for re-painting frames, 
high rate HD editing type stuff? Maybe color correction. Also Telecine 
(scanning frames from film for editing then the frames are re-recorded to 
film, like removing wires from hanging actors or something?)


Not condoning piracy but there was a number of IRIX apps on The Pirate 
Bay. Almost all of the software would be legacy at this point. I know one 
of them (was it Maya?) made a free license for hobbyists on the PC 
editions but wouldn't generate the keys for the IRIX editions.


Adobe premiere existed for the SGI as well, but I don't think SGI was ever 
a video editing powerhouse since it could be done with cheaper computers 
and didn't need the SGI capabilities unless it was high resolution / high 
IO?


- Ethan


--
Ethan O'Toole

RE: Flex Disc options for the HP 9825

[Rik Bos]

No, they just blow the main fuse.
The thyristor is a 2N4441.

-Rik

Van: Paul Berger

Re: [OLDVTRS] Real time video software for SGI computers

[rich]

What's the application? Is this for a museum installation or for a current live 
production or post production? SGI's were used for high end work in the past, 
but have been replaced by more commodity hardware.
-Rich Torpey
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From: Matt Patoray mspproducti...@gmail.com [OLDVTRS] 
[mailto:oldv...@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:56 AM
To: oldv...@yahoogroups.com, 'vcf-midatlantic', cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: [OLDVTRS] Real time video software for SGI computers



Hello all,

I know that SGI machines are well know for high end 3D graphics that are not 
real time (Jurassic Park, Forrest Gump and the like. But was there ever any 
real time 2D/3D graphics programs for title generation to replace a stand alone 
Chyron unit for making opening/closing titles and lower 1/3 graphics?


If so what system would be the best to use, I was thinking an O2 since it is 
small and has a low power consumption along with standard composite video 
output.


Thanks,


--
Matt Patoray
Owner, MSP Productions
KD8AMG








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Re: 5150/5151 Video Card??

[Fred Cisin]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016, Alexandre Souza wrote:

This is a CGA clone.


Apparently


It can work with CGA [monitors]

Presumably


and Hercules monitors/modes, and

really?
connecting a "hercules" monitor, such as a 5151 to CGA can damage the 
monitor.



usually were switched by a program called MONO.COM.


such as:
MOV AX, 0002h ; Set mode to CGA B&W
Int 10h
Int 20h

MOV AX, 003h ; Set mode to CGA color
Int 10h
Int 20h

MOV AX, 0007h ; Set mode to MDA 
Int 10h

Int 20h

They can be shortened a byte by using INT 3, instead of INT 20h, or 
lengthened with MOV AX 4C00h   Int 21h.  But, since each program is going 
to occupy a 512 byte sector, the difference won't matter.


or using MODE.COM:
MODE BW80
MODE CO80
MODE MONO


I Believe I have some boards like that. Possibly I have the manual and
disk.


Does THIS particular board handle BOTH CGA and MDA frequencies?
If not, telling him to connect his 5151 or "hercules" monitor, is going to 
cost him a monitor.
If so, telling him to connect his 5151 or "hercules" monitor without the 
right switch settings, is going to cost him a monitor.


5151 and "hercules" (MDA) monitors do not like wrong frequencies.

SERIOUSLY: connecting a 5151 or "hercules" monitor to the wrong signals 
can damage it.

Re: Imaging and Emulating Rainbow

[Lawrence Wilkinson]

Sorry, that was my fault, it was sitting in the moderation queue. No 
more, promise!



On 15/08/16 17:38, Jay West wrote:

This account was unsubscribed not sure how this got through subsequently. 
Checking

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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Steve Bez
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 9:13 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: Re: Imaging and Emulating Rainbow

Don't know if would possibly work n those as isn't bviosly NT,but there's a 
disk for pound fifty eBay.uk open V box?!!

On Monday, August 15, 2016, jim stephens  wrote:


I downloaded the site and the zip file today (in the last 6 hours or
so, Sunday PDT US  time, I saw your don't mirror warning after i'd
taken a lot, so continued.

many thanks for the stuff there.  I had some things from the
profolder, but not the floppy images.

thanks
jim

On 8/14/2016 3:17 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote:


I noticed you have a Pro folder as well, any chance you could zip
that

too?
Regards

Rob


I zipped all so you have it .

Ah, I hadn't actually opened it to look inside and thought it was
just

the
Rainbow folder. Thank you very much!

Regards

Rob





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Re: CDC 6600 Manuals

[Paul Koning]

> On Aug 15, 2016, at 12:21 PM, william degnan  wrote:
> 
> one last commentlearning here, did not know the connection between
> cyber 70 and the 6600.  Thanks

It's a bit confusing if you don't know the CDC model numbering.

The 6000 series (of which the 6600 is the first) was also called the Cyber 70 
seriess.  Except that the Cyber 76 is another name for the 7600, which is 
vaguely like the 6000 series but not compatible.  All those machines are first 
generation, discrete transistor machines.

The next series is the Cyber 170 series, IC based designs, compatible with the 
6000 series but faster.  Once again, there's an oddball, the Cyber 176 which is 
a successor to the 76, in other words a 7000 series machine.

So you'd find CDC 6000 series documentation under Cyber 70, and also generic 
stuff that carried across to later machines -- like I/O channel specifications.

paul

RE: can anyone identify this terminal keyboard and pcb?

[Brad H]

I will confess that was me that bought that thing.  I've become a bit of a 
keyboard aficionado ever since getting into my TVT project.  Where they are of 
a certain vintage I collect them either just to enjoy as a visual piece or to 
use in some future project.  $80 is up there but not at all unusual these days, 
esp. with the deskthority/geekhack guys all over this stuff.

I've tried nailing down what terminal it came from looking at hundreds of 
pictures but no dice.  I didn't know about those frog terminals.. hah.  Those 
things look like they belong as an accessory to an AMC Gremlin. :)

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Al Kossow
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 2:32 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: can anyone identify this terminal keyboard and pcb?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/172299367709 (kb)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/172290512799 (pcb)

I think it may be a Courier. I bought the pcb, which has "C8080" on the sn 
label so I'm guessing it's Courier. Quite unusual with build-in modem. Will be 
dumping the eproms soon, hopefully some text strings in there. The seller 
ripped the terminals apart years ago for the 8080s and didn't rember the 
make/model, only that the case was two-tone.

He got a pretty penny for the crappy probably dead Keytronic foil/foam keyboard 
($80)

Weird thing is it looks like a Lear-Sieger pcb design, with the Molex power 
connectors and the color/font of the markings on the silk-screen.

Re: CDC 6600 Manuals

[Al Kossow]

On 8/15/16 9:21 AM, william degnan wrote:
> one last commentlearning here, did not know the connection between
> cyber 70 and the 6600.  Thanks
>

yes, it's confusing and you aren't the first person confused by it.

Re: can anyone identify this terminal keyboard and pcb?

[Al Kossow]

On 8/15/16 9:52 AM, Brad H wrote:

> I've tried nailing down what terminal it came from looking at hundreds of 
> pictures but no dice.

thanks. The keycaps are quite unique.

from looking at the text in the eproms, it was some remote forms-based dialup 
display terminal

RE: 5150/5151 Video Card??

[tony duell]

> Does THIS particular board handle BOTH CGA and MDA frequencies?
> If not, telling him to connect his 5151 or "hercules" monitor, is going to
> cost him a monitor.
> If so, telling him to connect his 5151 or "hercules" monitor without the
> right switch settings, is going to cost him a monitor.
> 
> 5151 and "hercules" (MDA) monitors do not like wrong frequencies.
> 
> SERIOUSLY: connecting a 5151 or "hercules" monitor to the wrong signals
> can damage it.

That depends on the MDA/hercules monitor.

The IBM5151 does not have a horizontal oscillator. It will attempt to run
at whatever frequency you give it. Give it the wrong horizontal frequency
and the horizontak output stage will not like it very much.

Most other MDA type monitors were more conventional with an intenral
horizontal oscillator that attempts to lock to the incoming sync signal. In
any reasonable one, if the incoming frequency in way off, the oscilllator
will not lock to it, it will remain running at a frequncy close enough to 
normal that there will be no damage. The common Zenith MDA monitor,
the one with that well-known power supply [1] is like that,

[1] The one that combines the efficiency of a linear with the reliability
of a switcher. And which malfunctions if you replace the green power-on
LED with a red one. Ask me if you have seriously never come across 
this.

In any case it rarely costs you the monitor if you get it wrong. A horizontal
output transistor, sure. But they are not that expensive.

-tony

Re: Differences between a Xerox 6085 and 1186

[aswood]

We are adressing this issue.

> Am 15.08.2016 um 18:09 schrieb Robert Ferguson :
> 
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Al Kossow  wrote:
>> 
>> On 8/15/16 6:58 AM, asw...@t-online.de wrote:
>>> A 6085 can run Viewpoint, GlobalView and Lisp.
>> 
>> And Smalltalk-80 on the MPB 1, if we can figure out how to start it.
> 
> I noticed that software in the archive, and it was one of my specific 
> interests. Are you hopeful that this can be made to work, or have you reached 
> a dead end? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Rob Ferguson

Re: 5150/5151 Video Card??

[Mike Stein]

- Original Message - 
From: "tony duell" 
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts" 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 1:26 PM
Subject: RE: 5150/5151 Video Card??


> ...The common Zenith MDA monitor, ... The one that combines the efficiency of 
> a linear with the reliability of a switcher.

Double take, resulting in coffee in nasal cavity ... ;-)

Re: [OLDVTRS] Real time video software for SGI computers

[roger lafrance]

If your looking for a new solution, Casparcg.com is high end freeware worth 
looking at that was developed for on air work. For SGI Blender also free is the 
weapon of choice. When it comes to legacy, Video Toaster was the thing that put 
an A/B edit suit on a desktop and even did some on air work well. Used on air 
SD CG's are all over the place and look  so good upconverted that many small 
stations still use them.  

On Monday, August 15, 2016 10:20 AM, "r...@torpey.com [OLDVTRS]" 
 wrote:
 

     What's the application? Is this for a museum installation or for a current 
live production or post production? SGI's were used for high end work in the 
past, but have been replaced by more commodity hardware.-Rich Torpey  
-Original Message-
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[mailto:oldv...@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:56 AM
To: oldv...@yahoogroups.com, 'vcf-midatlantic', cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: [OLDVTRS] Real time video software for SGI computers

 
| Hello all,
I know that SGI machines are well know for high end 3D graphics that are not 
real time (Jurassic Park, Forrest Gump and the like. But was there ever any 
real time 2D/3D graphics programs for title generation to replace a stand alone 
 Chyron unit for making opening/closing titles and lower 1/3 graphics?
If so what system would be the best to use, I was thinking an O2 since it is 
small and has a low power consumption along with standard composite video 
output. 
Thanks,

-- 
Matt Patoray
Owner, MSP Productions
KD8AMG  |


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Re: Imaging and Emulating Rainbow

[Stephen Kitt]

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 11:45:23 -0600, Warner Losh  wrote:
[...]
> There was a raindrive.sys, iirc, that did this well enough for DOS to
> access the files, but I can't find any copies of it now.

The SimtelNet CDs had a RainDOS driver written by Sydex; the last version I
can find is 1.21 (although the documentation inside says it's 1.22), e.g. in
http://cd.textfiles.com/simtel/stmsdos9709/disk1/DISC1/DISKUTIL/RAIND121.ZIP

Regards,

Stephen

Re: CDC 6600 Manuals

[Chuck Guzis]

On 08/15/2016 10:03 AM, Al Kossow wrote:

> On 8/15/16 9:21 AM, william degnan wrote:
>> one last commentlearning here, did not know the connection
>> between cyber 70 and the 6600.  Thanks
>> 
> 
> yes, it's confusing and you aren't the first person confused by it.

If you had a 6400 and a Cyber 73 sitting side-by-side, stripped of their
"skins", it would be difficult for the average person to tell the
difference.

CDC management went a bit bonkers, re-christening old hardware with the
"Cyber" tag.  In particular, I observed that the STAR-100 was re-dubbed
the "Cyber 200" almost at the end of its product life.  I'm not aware of
a 100 ever bearing the "CYBER" nameplate.

But at bitsavers, that's where you have to look--the "Cyber"
subdirectory--even though the 200 and its ilk had nothing in common with
the other machines dubbed "Cyber".

--Chuck

Re: Imaging and Emulating Rainbow

[Chuck Guzis]

On 08/15/2016 11:09 AM, Stephen Kitt wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 11:45:23 -0600, Warner Losh 
> wrote: [...]
>> There was a raindrive.sys, iirc, that did this well enough for DOS
>> to access the files, but I can't find any copies of it now.
> 
> The SimtelNet CDs had a RainDOS driver written by Sydex; the last
> version I can find is 1.21 (although the documentation inside says
> it's 1.22), e.g. in 
> http://cd.textfiles.com/simtel/stmsdos9709/disk1/DISC1/DISKUTIL/RAIND121.ZIP

Yup, I wrote that one.  There may be a later version--I don't recall.
If anyone's interested, I can check.

Ancient history for me.

--Chuck

Re: CDC 6600 Manuals

[Paul Koning]

> On Aug 15, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Chuck Guzis  wrote:
> 
> On 08/15/2016 10:03 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
> 
>> On 8/15/16 9:21 AM, william degnan wrote:
>>> one last commentlearning here, did not know the connection
>>> between cyber 70 and the 6600.  Thanks
>>> 
>> 
>> yes, it's confusing and you aren't the first person confused by it.
> 
> If you had a 6400 and a Cyber 73 sitting side-by-side, stripped of their
> "skins", it would be difficult for the average person to tell the
> difference.

From what little I remember, in a few cases the only difference was the sheet 
metal on the outside, and in some others it was some minor optional features 
(compare/move unit standard vs. optional or optional vs. not available) that 
were really totally arbitrary.  By comparison, Ford and Mercury differ far more.

> CDC management went a bit bonkers, re-christening old hardware with the
> "Cyber" tag.  

You might with perfect validity just put a period after "bonkers" and omit the 
limiting phrase.  :-)

paul

RE: 5150/5151 Video Card??

[Fred Cisin]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016, tony duell wrote:
In any case it rarely costs you the monitor if you get it wrong. A 
horizontal output transistor, sure. But they are not that expensive.


Yes, readily repairable, and therefore "cost a monitor" is an 
exaggeration.
But, somebody who is still unaware of the problem, and blithely plugs 
anything in that will fit, without knowing what kind of card they are 
connecting to, might not have the basic expertise to fix it.


For example, at the college, they purchased replacements and dumpstered 
every monitor that failed.
(I am referring to the local community college, but I know of examples of 
the same at UC Berkeley!)



I am pleased to hear that aftermarket competitors made appropriate 
changes to protect against that vulnerability.



I just looked at Wikipedia, and found some amazing errors, such as 
statement that IBM mono came along much later than CGA, caling it MDA 
instead of MDP, that Hercules innovatively had a "Centronics port" (sic) 
because that was much faster than the serial printing with the IBM mono, 
that PCs HAD TO HAVE both displays, because "no business software would 
work on CGA", no mention of the "Hercules clones" that Jenkins had 
tantrums about, etc.  I edited a few of them, but there is just too much 
misinformation.

RE: 5150/5151 Video Card??

[tony duell]

> > ...The common Zenith MDA monitor, ... The one that combines the efficiency
> >  of a linear with the reliability of a switcher.

> Double take, resulting in coffee in nasal cavity ... ;-)

I am not joking. This PSU is a 'classic'. Let me describe the circuit.

The monitor circuitry needs 12V DC. This powers the CRT heater, the
small-signal circuits and the horizontal side of things. In the conventional
way, other voltages are produced from the flyback transformer. So the
PSU has to provide 12V DC from the mains. Here's how it does it.

Mains comes in and is rectified/voltage doubled to get about 350V
DC. Just like in a switcher.

This feeds a chopper transsitor/transformer circuit. But there is NO regulation
applied to that chopper. It free-runs, using an extra winding on the transformer
to drive the base of said transistor. This circuit produces about 18V AC. It
_is_ a switcher at this point, with the advantage that the transformer and
secondary-side smoothing capacitors can be smaller than they would be
if it was a mains-frequency circuit. On the other hand that chopper does fail!

OK, we now have 18V or so AC from the chopper transformer. It is half-wave
rectified and smoothed. It now feeds a _linear_ regulator circuit made of 
discrete transistors. Hence my comment about the efficiency of a linear. It
is a linear PSU now.

But there is another quirk up its sleeve. A linear regulator works by comparing
the output voltage to a reference voltage and controlling the pass transistor
appropriately. Conventionally that reference voltage comes from a zener diode.
Not here. They used the forward voltage of the power-on indicator, a green LED,
for this. OK, the forward voltage of an LED is approximately constant, and doing
this saves a zener diode (a few pence/cents). Of course if you happen to 
replace 
that green LED with a red one (lower forward voltage), the PSU output voltage 
goes
down too.

-tony

Re: 5150/5151 Video Card??

[Chuck Guzis]

On 08/15/2016 11:18 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:

> I just looked at Wikipedia, and found some amazing errors, such as 
> statement that IBM mono came along much later than CGA, caling it
> MDA instead of MDP, that Hercules innovatively had a "Centronics
> port" (sic) because that was much faster than the serial printing
> with the IBM mono, that PCs HAD TO HAVE both displays, because "no
> business software would work on CGA", no mention of the "Hercules
> clones" that Jenkins had tantrums about, etc.  I edited a few of
> them, but there is just too much misinformation.

On matters of historical technical accuracy, I've pretty much given up
on WikiP.  Oh, it's still useful, but I find myself muttering to myself
"Vass you dere, Shollie?" when reading some of the stuff.

It doesn't really matter--in a couple of decades, we'll all be dead and
the "historians" can write whatever they want without being challenged.

--Chuck

Re: CDC 6600 Manuals

[Chuck Guzis]

On 08/15/2016 11:43 AM, Paul Koning wrote:

>> CDC management went a bit bonkers, re-christening old hardware with
>> the "Cyber" tag.
> 
> You might with perfect validity just put a period after "bonkers" and
> omit the limiting phrase.  :-)

Probably.  I do remember a watershed moment in CDC history when the
number of Vice-Presidents reached a power of 2--128.

Normally, I'dve said that you couldn't tell the players without a
scorecard, but they didn't make scorecards that big.

--Chuck

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Fred Cisin]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016, Noel Chiappa wrote:

Indeed. Think 'PARRY meets Dissociated Press'.


Thank you.
That explained why the content looked ALMOST relevant.

The word and phrase usage would seem likely to be able to fool a Salton 
style vector space (cosine) relevance ranking system!



I still don't understand what his motivation is.  If the nonsense were 
accompanied by a URL, then it would be obvious.   But, I guess that just 
being disruptive was all that he was after.

Re: 5150/5151 Video Card??

[Fred Cisin]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote:

On matters of historical technical accuracy, I've pretty much given up
on WikiP.  Oh, it's still useful, but I find myself muttering to myself
"Vass you dere, Shollie?" when reading some of the stuff.
It doesn't really matter--in a couple of decades, we'll all be dead and 
the "historians" can write whatever they want without being challenged.


Than you for the words of wisdom.
I have difficulty resisting correcting even minor errors of fact.

It is distressing to me how badly history can get mangled over what seems 
to me to be a very short period of time.


Admittedly, we all see different parts of the elephant, and some topics, 
such as early history of the internet will always suffer from incompatible 
perspectives.  But, it's hard to see how somebody could think that Comdex 
originated as a successor to the West Coast Computer Faire, or that IBM 
Mono was a later development after CGA.

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Mark Linimon]

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:49:29PM -0700, Fred Cisin wrote:
> I still don't understand what his motivation is.

It could just be mental illness :-(

mcl

Re: VAX file format conversion

[Peter Coghlan]

On vms say something like this:

 $ help analyze
 (pay attention to the parts about /rms and /fdl)

 $ help convert

build and and edit an fdl file and then say something like:

 $ convert /fdl=foo.fdl foo.old foo.new

sigh.



CONVERT is great for taking a file with the proper content and changing
it into an equivelant with a different record type.  However, it's not
going to do anything useful in this case.  The original poster transferred
a text file to his VMS system and got this error:


$@hobbyist-use-only-va.txt
%RMS-W-RTB 512 byte record to large for user buffer


Using CONVERT on the file will change it from a fixed record length file
into a variable length record file or a stream file but in all cases, all
of the records will remain 512 bytes long and they will continue to
contain bits and pieces of the original text and the file will not work
as required.

The most likely to work solutions are to use $ SET FILE /ATTRIBUTES or
Joe Meadows' FILE utility to change the file attributes from fixed 512 to
stream format.  The CR-LF pairs in the file will then be treated as record
delimiters and the file will then be usable.  Alternatively, delete the
file and transfer it again selecting a text transfer mode rather than
a binary transfer mode.

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Peter Coghlan]

> > Indeed. Think 'PARRY meets Dissociated Press'.
>
> Thank you.
> That explained why the content looked ALMOST relevant.
>
> The word and phrase usage would seem likely to be able to fool a Salton 
> style vector space (cosine) relevance ranking system!
>
>
> I still don't understand what his motivation is.  If the nonsense were 
> accompanied by a URL, then it would be obvious.   But, I guess that just 
> being disruptive was all that he was after.
>

It's possible that there was a URL in the HTML part of the mail.  This
list apparantly strips off any HTML parts in emails posted so we would
not have seen it.

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.

Re: VAX file format conversion

[Tony Nicholson]

[Apologies in advance for this reply not appearing in the thread for this
 subject - I read the digest form of cctalk]

> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:08:39 -0400
> From: Douglas Taylor 
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> 
> Subject: VAX file format conversion
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> I have a MicroVax 4000 that I am trying to update the license PAKs on,
> the last time I had valid PAKs on this machine was in 2002 (Hobbyist
> Licenses).
>
> I registered and have received the new Hobbyist License PAKs.
>
> I connected a laptop and transferred the text file using C-Kermit on the
> VAX and hyperterminal on the laptop.
>
> When I go to execute the file, I get an error:
>
> $@hobbyist-use-only-va.txt
>
> %RMS-W-RTB 512 bye record to large for user buffer
>
> It appears that when the file was transferred it showed up on the vax
> with fixed length records of 512 bytes, not variable length.
>
> Can I convert the file on the VAX?
>
> Is there a setting for C-Kermit that I need to change?
>
> Is Hyperterminal screwing things up?
>
> Doug

When this happens to me, I make use of one of the quirks of the TECO text
editor on VMS which writes out text files (variable-length, carriage
return carriage
control).

VAX $ directory /full hobbyist*.txt

Directory D_0:[SYSTEM]

HOBBYIST-USE-ONLY-VA.TXT;1File ID:  (4986,7,0)
Size:  156/156Owner:[SYSTEM]
Created:  16-AUG-2016 09:48:01.12
Revised:  16-AUG-2016 09:48:01.24 (1)
Expires:   
Backup:
File organization:  Sequential
File attributes:Allocation: 156, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0
No version limit
Record format:  Fixed length 512 byte records
Record attributes:  None
RMS attributes: None
Journaling enabled: None
File protection:System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:RE
Access Cntrl List:  None

Total of 1 file, 156/156 blocks.

VAX $ edit/teco hobbyist-use-only-va.txt
*n[End of File]$l512kex$$

[ TECO prompts with an asterisk, the license file has a line with the
text "[End of File]"
at the end - so non-stop search "n" for it - $ is the  key or
, advance
to the next line (lowercase L "l"), then kill any remaining lines and
 characters
that pad the last block, and exit]

VAX $ directory /full hobbyist*.txt;

Directory D_0:[SYSTEM]

HOBBYIST-USE-ONLY-VA.TXT;2File ID:  (5006,105,0)
Size:  158/159Owner:[SYSTEM]
Created:  16-AUG-2016 09:52:43.98
Revised:  16-AUG-2016 09:52:57.44 (1)
Expires:   
Backup:
File organization:  Sequential
File attributes:Allocation: 159, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0
No version limit
Record format:  Variable length, maximum 92 bytes
Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control
RMS attributes: None
Journaling enabled: None
File protection:System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:RE
Access Cntrl List:  None

Total of 1 file, 158/159 blocks.

-- 
Tony Nicholson 

Large Mac liquidation in Denver, 8/21

[John Ames]

https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/28206-everything-must-go-denver-mac-sale-sunday-821/

Not mine, but I wanted to spread the word about this since it's one of
those "take it or it goes to the dump" affairs...hopefully somebody
can make it out there for this.

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Chris Elmquist]

On August 15, 2016 3:08:10 PM CDT, Mark Linimon  wrote:
>On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:49:29PM -0700, Fred Cisin wrote:
>> I still don't understand what his motivation is.
>
>It could just be mental illness :-(
>

I thought it was just autocorrect on Android.



-- 
Chris Elmquist

RE: Large Mac liquidation in Denver, 8/21

[Sam O'nella]

Interestingly? The trading post area on the forum is login required.
 Original message From: John Ames  
Date: 8/15/16  9:29 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: cctalk  Subject: 
Large Mac liquidation in Denver, 8/21 
https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/28206-everything-must-go-denver-mac-sale-sunday-821/

Not mine, but I wanted to spread the word about this since it's one of
those "take it or it goes to the dump" affairs...hopefully somebody
can make it out there for this.

Re: VAX file format conversion

[Richard Loken]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016, Peter Coghlan wrote:


The most likely to work solutions are to use $ SET FILE /ATTRIBUTES or
Joe Meadows' FILE utility to change the file attributes from fixed 512 to
stream format.  The CR-LF pairs in the file will then be treated as record
delimiters and the file will then be usable.  Alternatively, delete the
file and transfer it again selecting a text transfer mode rather than
a binary transfer mode.


Yes, you are right.  I stopped making that particular mistake many years
ago and I had forgotten.  So back in 1986 I wrote a bit of garbage code
to fix that problem in the crudest manner possible.

Namely this:

/* Name:clean_cp.c
 * Purpose: copy an rms file and ignore record length
 * Author:  Richard Loken
 * Date:17-Dec-1986
 * Modified:30-Sep-1987 - RLL   Throw out any \r's that may be in the file.
 *  07-Oct-1987 - RLL   and most other non printing characters.
 *  07-Sep-1994 - RLL   Hacked for OpenVMS AXP and DEC C
 */

#includestdio
#includefile
#includestat
#includestdlib
#include"au_src:[lib]extern_lib.h"

#define ERROR   (-1)
#define MAXSTR  256
#define TOTAL   2   /* number of arguments expected */

charprompt[TOTAL][7] = {"input", "output"}; /* error message array */

main(argc, argv)

int argc;
char*argv[];

{
charfiles[TOTAL][MAXSTR];   /* names of input and output files  */
charprogram[MAXSTR];/* name of the executable file  */

FILE*fin, *fout;/* input rms file and converted out */

int c;
int count;  /* character count for pars_arg()   */
int i, j;
unsigned fsize; /* size of input file   */

/*  initialize the variables*/

i = 0;
j = 0;

short_path(argv[0], program);   /* get rid of device & directories  */
ltou(program);  /* lets capitalize it   */

/*  parse any arguments to learn the file names */

while(i < TOTAL)
{
files[i++][0] = '\0';
}

if((argc > 1) && (argc <= (TOTAL + 1)))
{
for(i = 1; i < argc; i++)
{
count = 0;

while(j < TOTAL)
{
if((count = pars_arg(argv[i], count, files[j++])) == 0)
{
break;
}
else if(count == EOF)
{
j--;
break;
}
}
}
}

/*  if we don't have enough file names, prompt for the rest */

for(j = 0; j < TOTAL; j++)
{
while(files[j][0] == '\0')
{
fprintf(stderr, "%s file: ", prompt[j]);
gets(files[j]);
}
}

/*  open input and output files */

if((fin = fopen(files[0], "r")) == NULL)
{
fprintf(stderr, "\n%s\nCANNOT OPEN  %s\n", program, files[0]);
exit(4);/* a fatal error*/
}

if((fout = fopen(files[1], "w")) == NULL)
{
fprintf(stderr, "\n%s\nCANNOT OPEN  %s\n", program, files[1]);
exit(4);/* a fatal error*/
}

/*  crude, copy char by char until the end  */

while((c = getc(fin)) != EOF)
{
putc(c, fout);
}

fclose(fin);
fclose(fout);
}

--
  Richard Loken VE6BSV, Systems Programmer - VMS   : "...underneath those
  Athabasca University : tuques we wear, our
  Athabasca, Alberta Canada: heads are naked!"
  ** rllo...@telus.net ** :- Arthur Black

Re: Large Mac liquidation in Denver, 8/21

[Adrian Stoness]

cant see it

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Sam O'nella  wrote:

> Interestingly? The trading post area on the forum is login required.
>  Original message From: John Ames 
> Date: 8/15/16  9:29 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: cctalk 
> Subject: Large Mac liquidation in Denver, 8/21
> https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/28206-
> everything-must-go-denver-mac-sale-sunday-821/
>
> Not mine, but I wanted to spread the word about this since it's one of
> those "take it or it goes to the dump" affairs...hopefully somebody
> can make it out there for this.
>

Re: Large Mac liquidation in Denver, 8/21

[Brendan Shanks]

He also posted on Craigslist:

http://denver.craigslist.org/sys/5732303316.html

Also said on the forum:

I think I will probably open up on Saturday from 10:00 AM - 2:00 PM, too. And 
if there is still stuff left over I will have two more days of sales on Friday 
the 26th and Sunday the 28th.

Brendan

> On Aug 15, 2016, at 8:03 PM, Sam O'nella  wrote:
> 
> Interestingly? The trading post area on the forum is login required.
>  Original message From: John Ames  
> Date: 8/15/16  9:29 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: cctalk  
> Subject: Large Mac liquidation in Denver, 8/21 
> https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/28206-everything-must-go-denver-mac-sale-sunday-821/
> 
> Not mine, but I wanted to spread the word about this since it's one of
> those "take it or it goes to the dump" affairs...hopefully somebody
> can make it out there for this.

DEC PDP bits and Programma 101 available

[Erik W .]

Dear reader,

For a serious enthusiast or museum I have available:

  * Olivetti Programma 101 calculator

  * DEC GT40 grapic display terminal
  * DEC VT05, first DEC terminal
  * DEC PC04 paper tape reader/punch for PDP-8
  * DEC TU60 DECassette dual tape drive with two tapes mounted
  * DEC VR14 vector monitor; can be used directly with the VT11 below
  * VT11 display processor backplane + boards + LK40 keyboard
+ original 375 light pen.  Everything to turn any UNIBUS machine
into a "GT40" Moonlander capable system.
  * 21" BA11 box used to mount an 11/40 or 11/45 for example
  * Lots of smaller DEC parts like filler panels; please ask

Located in the Netherlands; local pickup much preferred.  Would
consider a trade for pre-1975 DEC bits or a simple cash deal.

Thanks, Erik

  

Re: Flex Disc options for the HP 9825

[Ian S. King]

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Rik Bos  wrote:

> No, they just blow the main fuse.
> The thyristor is a 2N4441.
>
> -Rik
>
> Van: Paul Berger


In my experience, 'blow the main fuse' is the usual approach with a crowbar
- in other words, trigger the protection device that already exists.

-- 
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School 
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens

Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal 
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab 

University of Washington

There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."

Re: 5150/5151 Video Card??

[Mike Stein]

- Original Message - 
From: "tony duell" 
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts" 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: 5150/5151 Video Card??



> > ...The common Zenith MDA monitor, ... The one that combines the efficiency
> >  of a linear with the reliability of a switcher.

> Double take, resulting in coffee in nasal cavity ... ;-)

I am not joking. 
-

Well, linears are noted more for their weight and caloric output than 
efficiency while switchers seem to have sacrificed reliability for higher 
efficiency so I took it as a delightful bit of irony, like a car combining the 
safety of a Pinto with the graceful lines of an Edsel...

Oh well, I got a chuckle out of it...

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Mark J. Blair]

> On Aug 15, 2016, at 19:54, Chris Elmquist  wrote:
> On August 15, 2016 3:08:10 PM CDT, Mark Linimon  wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:49:29PM -0700, Fred Cisin wrote:
>>> I still don't understand what his motivation is.
>> 
>> It could just be mental illness :-(
>> 
> 
> I thought it was just autocorrect on Android.

I thought his Markov chain needed oiling.

But seriously, I didn't know that any pieces of SGI were still around to 
acquire.

-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X 
http://www.nf6x.net/