Re: Second release of the HP 3000 Series III simulator
On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 8:57, SPC wrote: > So I assume that we can make operative programs *only* with the COBOL > 74 compiler, Isn't so ? The software kit contains two COBOL compilers: - a COBOL '68 compiler invoked with the :COBOL command - a COBOL '74 compiler invoked with the :COBOLII command. The second compiler has an alternate mode, invoked with the :COBOLIIX command, where it operates as a COBOL '85 compiler. This second compiler, in either '74 or '85 mode, generates programs that use the HP 32234A COBOL II firmware instructions. These instructions are not yet implemented in the simulator. Programs generated with the COBOL '68 compiler will run on the simulator. As Keven mentioned, the kit also comes with BASIC, FORTRAN '66, Pascal, RPG, and SPL compilers. Programs generated with these compilers will run on the simulator too. -- Dave
WANTED: PDP-8 KE8E Extended arithmetic element
Hi, I've been looking for a KK8E for some time now. It's the set of two boards: M8340/M8341. If you have one to sell me please contact me off list. I'm also interested in hints that can lead me to one. I'll give them a good home. /Anders
Re: word processor history -- interesting article (Evan Koblentz)
>>> [...] and directly write ANSI sequences, it'll just work. >> (a) That is not my experience. > I did acknowledge (but it was snipped in your reply---it's the > missing footnote). True enough. > I've also checked the xterm use of DCS. I *still* don't understand > where you would use those particular sequences. _I_ wouldn't, since I don't use xterm. My terminal emulator has a much richer DCS command language, allowing things like requesting window resize, or opening another window (displaying elsewhere) onto the same emulator. DCS is basically the escape hatch to device-speific functionality. > I've also come across plenty of libraries and modules (for various > langauges) that use raw ANSI sequences to color things when they > "technically" should be using the Termcap Sf and Sb > capabilities---those scuflaws! Touting non-portable behavior like > that! Well, technically, there is no such thing as ANSI colour. The colour sequences are ISO-defined extension arguments to ANSI's SGR sequence. But, yes, I've seen that too, most often with Linux. It is EXTREMELY annoying to type ls and see [0m[01;34mdir[0m file [01;36mlink[0m [01;32mpgm[0m It's even more annoying when other things - eg, vi - understand the terminal type correctly set in $TERM, but things like ls insist on assuming not only without evidence but in the presence of evidence to the contrary that the display device can handle ISO-extended X3.64 SGR. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTMLmo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B
Re: Looking for old connectors
On Sat, 9 Jul 2016, Oliver Lehmann wrote: Hi, for rebuilding a circuit, I'm in need of 3 old connectors used on the original board. ## The next one is also a power plug - but I have no idea about its AMP number or something: http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_boards/FINCH-Adapter-Board/IMGP9588 http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_boards/FINCH-Adapter-Board/IMGP9589 http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_boards/FINCH-Adapter-Board/IMGP9584 Its counterpart is shown here and labled with AMP, but no number: http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_case/Disk-Tape-Component/Secrets-S8000/DSCF0366 The header on the board appears to be a Molex KK 396 series header. The plug on the wiring harness is an AMP MTA-156 series IDC connector. I'm not sure why they mixed and matched connectors, but they both use the same size pins with .156" spacing. The Molex header might retain the plug better than the AMP header due to the friction lock. Molex 26-60-5100 KK 396 Header, Right-Angle with Friction Lock, 10 Circuits, Tin (Sn) Plating http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0026605100_PCB_HEADERS.xml http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/sd/026605100_sd.pdf http://www.molex.com/webdocs/datasheets/pdf/en-us/0026605100_PCB_HEADERS.pdf AMP 640389-0 MTA-156 Friction Lock Headers - Right Angle front bend, .125" solder tail http://www.te.com/usa-en/product-1-640389-0.html http://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentDelivery/DDEController?Action=showdoc&DocId=Data+Sheet%7F82056_MTA%7F0708%7Fpdf%7FEnglish%7FENG_DS_82056_MTA_0708.pdf%7F1-640389-0
Re: HP 8510 network analyser
Regarding price: there was a sign on the one I used at the University, directed to students obviously: "the HP 8510 is worth more than your life". Besides HP computers, I collect HP instrumentation. Actually the latter hobby created the need for the former, since I got into vintage HP computing to control said instrumentation collection. Marc Sent from my iPad > On Jul 8, 2016, at 11:27 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > >> On Jul 8, 2016, at 12:15 AM, Brent Hilpert wrote: >> >> So a friend tells me there's a maybe-abandoned HP 8510 Network Analyzer in >> the hallway of the engineering building of the univ. he works at. >> I presume it's a unit like this, as he says it's over a metre tall: >>http://www.ece.lsu.edu/emdl/facilities/network%20analyser.html >> >> I figure its a little too far large and too far away from my needs to take >> it on, but out of curiousity does anyone know offhand what processor they >> used in these? >> (I haven't looked in depth online). >> Cursory guess is its mid-90s technology. > > That sounds right. I have an HP catalog from 1993, which lists very similar > bits, an 8510 display unit and the 8515 and 8517 S-parameter test sets. So > I'd guess this is a slightly later followup model. List price of that day, > FYA, $36500 for the 8510C, and $41400 for the 8515A (slightly more for the > 8517 due to the higher top frequency). > > Something that's going to be obvious to some but possibly not to all: > "network analyzer" is short for "vector network analyzer", an electronic > component measuring device. It has nothing to do with computer data networks. > >paul >
Re: HP 8510 network analyser
Ok, thanks. Marc Sent from my iPad > On Jul 9, 2016, at 6:05 AM, Brent Hilpert wrote: > > I'm 3 or more parties away from whoever would make the decision, but I've > forwarded your expression of interest along through my friend. > > Location is Vancouver BC region if you were unaware.
Re: Looking for old connectors
The Molex version looks like it has round pins; I'd recommend rectangular pins with your matching connector, they're prone to overheat at the best of times. m - Original Message - From: "Tothwolf" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:21 AM Subject: Re: Looking for old connectors > On Sat, 9 Jul 2016, Oliver Lehmann wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> for rebuilding a circuit, I'm in need of 3 old connectors used on the >> original board. > >> ## >> >> The next one is also a power plug - but I have no idea about its AMP >> number or something: >> >> http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_boards/FINCH-Adapter-Board/IMGP9588 >> http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_boards/FINCH-Adapter-Board/IMGP9589 >> http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_boards/FINCH-Adapter-Board/IMGP9584 >> >> Its counterpart is shown here and labled with AMP, but no number: >> >> http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_case/Disk-Tape-Component/Secrets-S8000/DSCF0366 > > The header on the board appears to be a Molex KK 396 series header. The > plug on the wiring harness is an AMP MTA-156 series IDC connector. I'm not > sure why they mixed and matched connectors, but they both use the same > size pins with .156" spacing. The Molex header might retain the plug > better than the AMP header due to the friction lock. > > Molex 26-60-5100 KK 396 Header, Right-Angle with Friction Lock, 10 > Circuits, Tin (Sn) Plating > > http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0026605100_PCB_HEADERS.xml > http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/sd/026605100_sd.pdf > http://www.molex.com/webdocs/datasheets/pdf/en-us/0026605100_PCB_HEADERS.pdf > > AMP 640389-0 MTA-156 Friction Lock Headers - Right Angle front bend, .125" > solder tail > > http://www.te.com/usa-en/product-1-640389-0.html > http://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentDelivery/DDEController?Action=showdoc&DocId=Data+Sheet%7F82056_MTA%7F0708%7Fpdf%7FEnglish%7FENG_DS_82056_MTA_0708.pdf%7F1-640389-0
Re: Looking for old connectors
On Sat, 9 Jul 2016, Mike Stein wrote: From: "Tothwolf" On Sat, 9 Jul 2016, Oliver Lehmann wrote: Hi, for rebuilding a circuit, I'm in need of 3 old connectors used on the original board. ## The next one is also a power plug - but I have no idea about its AMP number or something: http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_boards/FINCH-Adapter-Board/IMGP9588 http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_boards/FINCH-Adapter-Board/IMGP9589 http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_boards/FINCH-Adapter-Board/IMGP9584 Its counterpart is shown here and labled with AMP, but no number: http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_case/Disk-Tape-Component/Secrets-S8000/DSCF0366 The header on the board appears to be a Molex KK 396 series header. The plug on the wiring harness is an AMP MTA-156 series IDC connector. I'm not sure why they mixed and matched connectors, but they both use the same size pins with .156" spacing. The Molex header might retain the plug better than the AMP header due to the friction lock. Molex 26-60-5100 KK 396 Header, Right-Angle with Friction Lock, 10 Circuits, Tin (Sn) Plating http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0026605100_PCB_HEADERS.xml http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/sd/026605100_sd.pdf http://www.molex.com/webdocs/datasheets/pdf/en-us/0026605100_PCB_HEADERS.pdf AMP 640389-0 MTA-156 Friction Lock Headers - Right Angle front bend, .125" solder tail http://www.te.com/usa-en/product-1-640389-0.html http://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentDelivery/DDEController?Action=showdoc&DocId=Data+Sheet%7F82056_MTA%7F0708%7Fpdf%7FEnglish%7FENG_DS_82056_MTA_0708.pdf%7F1-640389-0 The Molex version looks like it has round pins; I'd recommend rectangular pins with your matching connector, they're prone to overheat at the best of times. Both the Molex and AMP/Tyco headers above have square pins. I use both series and have them in my inventory. Round pin .156" (3.96mm) headers have been discontinued for years due to that very issue. The flat contacts used in the connector shells don't make good contact with round pins since it offers less surface area than a square pin. As they age and oxidize, it gets even worse. I routinely replace older .156" round pin headers with modern square versions as preventative maintenance when I service/refurbish boards.
Re: word processor history -- interesting article (Evan Koblentz)
On 9 July 2016 at 05:00, Swift Griggs wrote: > On Fri, 8 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote: >> I can remember more functionality via WordStar keystrokes than I can via >> vi ones! :-) > > That's the very reason I teach Vi in classes but privately still use Joe > extensively. I prefer muscle-memory-macro-keystrokes over what I'd call > "conscious modes". I respect the ideas in Vi, and occasionally I dwell in > it a lot and code there etc... Well yes, OK. But whereas I remember more Word* from the '80s than I do vi, which I have used this year, I remember more CUA keystrokes now than anything else. The lovely Roger Pugh from this very list gave me a BNIB Amstrad PCW9512+ a few years back. (Thanks again, Roger!) I recall him being amazed that, with the thing sitting on my coffee table, not having touched a PCW in 25y, I could remember the key combo to reboot one. :-D > I play some musical editor games. I even > occasionally use the Motif-based "nedit" (esp on SGI boxen, it just ... > feels... right). Never used an SGI. :-( Well, apart from an x86 Visual Workstation running Windows. > However, I feel most natural in Joe. I think it's simply > just a "style" or taste issue based on past comfort with the WS and > descendants. Fair enough. For me, that feeling is a CUA editor, from Notepad to Gedit to OS X TextEdit. And that is what I miss at shell level in Linux. >> Yes, it did look better, true. > > Do you happen to know that backstory about the color research? I remember > that, but only vaguely. I'm a frayed knot. >> But all those arcane Ctrl-shift F5, shift-F7, alt-F11, F3, ctrl-F1 >> patterns -- eeuw. > > Clerks, admins, secretaries, receptionists, record hounds, and many others > were freakin' ninjas with them. My mom was a Q&A Write disciple, still > uses it in DOSBox, and still can do things with it I can't reproduce > without coding. I know they were sorta arcane, and I won't lie and say I > was a WP badass, but I witnessed some word processing badassery in > conjunction with it by the aforementioned tradeswomen and men. Oh yeah, I've seen such people. My line manager at Red Hat was like that in jEdit. I watched him do stuff I didn't know text editors could do. Note, I don't code any more. So 99% of editor advocacy is irrelevant to me -- I have zero use for syntax highlighting, colouring, formatting, autocomplete, any of it. I write English text, nothing else. This strips away a lot of the discussion, I find. But Silas was writing English text in a code editor, and flipping paragraphs around like a ninja. Astonishing. I've not seen such editor virtuosity since the DOS days of the end-'80s/start-'90s. > Remember that scene in one of the Star Trek movies where he firsts > exclaims "You mean it's a MANUAL!" when he's told the computer he's > attempting to voice command won't respond ? You think he's going to fumble > with the keyboard then he starts typing so fast you think he's about the > smoke the model M or whatever he's bangin' on at lightspeed. Some folks > are like that with their word processing skills... My awesome grandma was. :-) Yes, I do, and no, I'm not. But I can still boggle Windows users with my ability to control it without a mouse. I learned Windows 2 in a job where we didn't own a PC mouse. We didn't need 'em -- we sold Macs. So I learned all the shortcuts. Many still work. I upgraded the seldom-used Win7 partition on my Thinkpad X200 to Win10 last month. To my surprise, I rather like it. And a lot of the shortcuts /still/ work. > Maybe you are one! You definitely seem to have written extensively and > from some obvious experience and authority with word processing in > general. I was a support guy for 15-20y, mostly on desktop stuff. I built and installed servers, but customers don't need hands-on help with servers, generally. It's with desktops and laptops. So for me to know all the apps was a professional skill. [Insert "must support all the things" meme] >> When WP 5.1 caught on, at least I could use drop-downs for the stuff I >> couldn't remember the f-key combos for. > > Ah yes, I remember discovering that to my delight as well. Clunky, but they were a huge help. Menus are /much/ more discoverable than hotkeys. >> I have a download of WP 6 for DOS here, waiting for me to try in a VM. > > Yeah, I have a massive DOS collection o' piracy and purchases that are > slowly coalescing over the years into a few organized VMs and DOSBox > instances I've been nurturing. I'm considering building and offering an assortment of DOS VMs for download, because a lot of kids are curious about this stuff but have absolutely no idea how to install and configure any of these apps. Pre-built downloadable DOS VMs with classic apps pre-installed. >> I have Word 5.5 and 6 for DOS, but they can readily and repeatably crash >> DOSemu. :-( > > I'll take your *Word* for it (ugh, sorry). :-D > I do remember it had a spiffy > B&W graphical splash screen with someone writing with a pen, I
Re: Looking for old connectors
On 07/09/2016 09:18 AM, Tothwolf wrote: On Sat, 9 Jul 2016, Mike Stein wrote: From: "Tothwolf" On Sat, 9 Jul 2016, Oliver Lehmann wrote: Hi, for rebuilding a circuit, I'm in need of 3 old connectors used on the original board. ## The next one is also a power plug - but I have no idea about its AMP number or something: http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_boards/FINCH-Adapter-Board/IMGP9588 http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_boards/FINCH-Adapter-Board/IMGP9589 http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_boards/FINCH-Adapter-Board/IMGP9584 These connectors are also available with gold contacts on both ends. For long-term reliability, these are better. Jon
RE: Looking for old connectors
Mike Stein wrote: > The Molex version looks like it has round pins; I'd > recommend rectangular pins with your matching connector, > they're prone to overheat at the best of times. Ya' know, I have heard that several times, but I have eight different Ohio Scientific systems and a couple of SWTPc machines (all of which make extensive use of those Connectors) and I've never seen any evidence of heating. Poor/glitchy data communication, yes. But never any heating on them. Bill S.
Re: Looking for old connectors
On Sat, 9 Jul 2016, Jon Elson wrote: On 07/09/2016 09:18 AM, Tothwolf wrote: On Sat, 9 Jul 2016, Mike Stein wrote: From: "Tothwolf" On Sat, 9 Jul 2016, Oliver Lehmann wrote: Hi, for rebuilding a circuit, I'm in need of 3 old connectors used on the original board. ## The next one is also a power plug - but I have no idea about its AMP number or something: http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_boards/FINCH-Adapter-Board/IMGP9588 http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_boards/FINCH-Adapter-Board/IMGP9589 http://pics.pofo.de/gallery3/index.php/S8000/S8000_boards/FINCH-Adapter-Board/IMGP9584 These connectors are also available with gold contacts on both ends. For long-term reliability, these are better. For lower voltage signal applications, yes. For supplying power, no. Both contact surfaces must also be the same material or tin oxide will form on the surface of the gold plating and cause a major headache. This was a serious problem with 486 and earlier Pentium PCs with 30 and 72 pin SIMMs and it led to a number of lawsuits.
VCF West has 30 exhibits
There are 30 exhibits for Vintage Computer Festival West XI next month: http://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-west-xi/vcf-west-exhibits/ Exhibit registration is full. Contact me privately if you'd like to join the waiting list.
RE: VCF West has 30 exhibits
Evan, I for one am very excited. I was wondering are there any vendors or consignment items at this time? Ali Original message From: Evan Koblentz Date: 7/9/2016 7:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Subject: VCF West has 30 exhibits There are 30 exhibits for Vintage Computer Festival West XI next month: http://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-west-xi/vcf-west-exhibits/ Exhibit registration is full. Contact me privately if you'd like to join the waiting list.
Re: VCF West has 30 exhibits
> There are 30 exhibits for Vintage Computer Festival West XI next month: > http://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-west-xi/vcf-west-exhibits/ I'm looking forward to being there. Now, how about that consignment form? :P -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- You can make it illegal, but you can't make it unpopular. --
Re: VCF West has 30 exhibits
Cameron wrote... >> how about that consignment form? :P Ali wrote... >> I was wondering are there any vendors or consignment items at this time? Working on the consignment form, stay tuned There aren't vendors this time. Going to be a LOT more to the show in 2017. This year's show is kind of back-to-basics.
Re: VCF West has 30 exhibits
On Sat, 9 Jul 2016, Evan Koblentz wrote: There are 30 exhibits for Vintage Computer Festival West XI next month: http://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-west-xi/vcf-west-exhibits/ Exhibit registration is full. Contact me privately if you'd like to join the waiting list. Suggestion: Put the hours, as well as the dates of the event on the website. Clearly and prominently on every page of it, not several levels deep. Vendor information is still "coming soon". BUT, it does clearly state that there is NO intent for flea market/swap meet. So, I guess that I can bring a few items for the consignment sales, (which is also "information coming soon"), but NOT a station wagon full of boxes of books, classic vintage computers (QX10, SMC70, early 5150, 8201a, etc.), hundreds of hard-sector diskettes, 3", 3.25" disks and alignment disks, another wooden modem, ARC serial analyzer, etc. (priced to meet expenses and lunch both days) Oh well. I would have needed to get help packing the car, etc. anyway. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
Re: VCF West has 30 exhibits
So, I guess that I can bring a few items for the consignment sales, (which is also "information coming soon"), but NOT a station wagon full of boxes of books, classic vintage computers (QX10, SMC70, early 5150, 8201a, etc.), hundreds of hard-sector diskettes, 3", 3.25" disks and alignment disks, another wooden modem, ARC serial analyzer, etc. (priced to meet expenses and lunch both days) Sure you can bring a car full of stuff, as long as it's sold at consignment. I do not know how much table space we will have for that. It is possible that we'll ask you to bring in some at a time.
Re: VCF West has 30 exhibits
Site is updated: - Hours listed on main show page - Main show page is linked back from each sub-page - Consignment form is posted on consignment page :) http://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-west-xi/
Re: VCF West has 30 exhibits
On Sat, 9 Jul 2016, Evan Koblentz wrote: Site is updated: - Hours listed on main show page - Main show page is linked back from each sub-page - Consignment form is posted on consignment page :) http://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-west-xi/ Thank you! That was extremely responsive! Well done.
Re: VCF West has 30 exhibits
So, I guess that I can bring a few items for the consignment sales, (which is also "information coming soon"), but NOT a station wagon full of boxes of books, classic vintage computers (QX10, SMC70, early 5150, 8201a, etc.), hundreds of hard-sector diskettes, 3", 3.25" disks and alignment disks, another wooden modem, ARC serial analyzer, etc. (priced to meet expenses and lunch both days) Oh well. I would have needed to get help packing the car, etc. anyway. On Sat, 9 Jul 2016, Evan Koblentz wrote: Sure you can bring a car full of stuff, as long as it's sold at consignment. I do not know how much table space we will have for that. It is possible that we'll ask you to bring in some at a time. At VCF6, I only brought a few things: http://www.vintage-computer.com/images/vcf6/vendor5.jpg but now I have more than ten times that, that needs to go or get DUMPSTERED. plus all that is left of http://www.xenosoft.com/FPUIB and at least 100 more boxes worth. But, my health is not good enough to even pack it all. My assistant at the last VCF died two years ago. I had been hoping to totally fill Prius station wagon, and sell enough first day to do an entire additional load the second day. But, I don't think that it is realiatic to imagine that I can manage to do that. Besides the need to channel it in small quantities through "consignment", I know that I can't manage even that level of physical exertion. So, I'll probably just fill a couple of boxes with IBM Technical References, Windows Resource kits, etc. and end up with most of the rest eventually going to paper recycling. (most of the FPUIB stuff has been in that list for 2 years, so there's obviously not a big pent-up demand) -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
Re: VCF West has 30 exhibits
what kind of wooden modem? In a message dated 7/9/2016 9:04:37 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, ci...@xenosoft.com writes: >> So, I guess that I can bring a few items for the consignment sales, >> (which is also "information coming soon"), but NOT a station wagon full >> of boxes of books, classic vintage computers (QX10, SMC70, early 5150, >> 8201a, etc.), hundreds of hard-sector diskettes, 3", 3.25" disks and >> alignment disks, another wooden modem, ARC serial analyzer, etc. >> (priced to meet expenses and lunch both days) >> Oh well. I would have needed to get help packing the car, etc. anyway. On Sat, 9 Jul 2016, Evan Koblentz wrote: > Sure you can bring a car full of stuff, as long as it's sold at consignment. > I do not know how much table space we will have for that. It is possible that > we'll ask you to bring in some at a time. At VCF6, I only brought a few things: http://www.vintage-computer.com/images/vcf6/vendor5.jpg but now I have more than ten times that, that needs to go or get DUMPSTERED. plus all that is left of http://www.xenosoft.com/FPUIB and at least 100 more boxes worth. But, my health is not good enough to even pack it all. My assistant at the last VCF died two years ago. I had been hoping to totally fill Prius station wagon, and sell enough first day to do an entire additional load the second day. But, I don't think that it is realiatic to imagine that I can manage to do that. Besides the need to channel it in small quantities through "consignment", I know that I can't manage even that level of physical exertion. So, I'll probably just fill a couple of boxes with IBM Technical References, Windows Resource kits, etc. and end up with most of the rest eventually going to paper recycling.(most of the FPUIB stuff has been in that list for 2 years, so there's obviously not a big pent-up demand) -- Grumpy Ol' Fredci...@xenosoft.com
"Wooden modem" (Was: VCF West has 30 exhibits
On Sun, 10 Jul 2016, couryho...@aol.com wrote: what kind of wooden modem? Livermore Data Systems, Model B BUT, this one is labelled: General Design, Inc. and is serial #0043 I assume that this is rebadged, but it could be that another company made identical modems. It's in EXCELLENT cosmetic condition. Model number is not labelled anywhere on it, but the A model did not have a duplex switch, and the C model had originate/answer. Like: http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102630200 and http://imgur.com/gallery/doVU5 (but this one is not missing screws and slightly fewer scratches) Uses old-style power cord (not included, nor known pinout) I had one a few years ago, that sold for an obscene amount ($300), in spite of having some case damage. This one looks EXCELLENT. Before I sell this, I should contact that buyer, and the others who were seriously interested. OB_Standard_Disclaimer: GUARANTEED NOT TO WORK. If it does turn out to work, you may return it for store credit of half the purchase price. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
