Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

[Steve Jones]

I hope the first EO puts a moratorium on all funding until each program is
independently reviewed, historic outcomes are weighed and public hangings
commence.

All this free money has done was oversaturated some markets, pushed small
players out in exchange for monopolies in others and wasted money.

There should be a fund for LEO coverage of the underserved. 1 dollar per
year, per household. The LEO operators pistol duel for the money. The
winner gets hanged.

No funding for anyone else

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 1:41 PM  wrote:

> We are not expecting to see any for perhaps a year.  Certainly 6 months.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: tpa...@ecpi.com
> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 12:36 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD
>
> BEAD money has not been allocated to anyone yet. It may be from the COVID
> program (I forget what was that called).
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 1:27 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD
>
> That is kind of my point. I know several WISPs/FISPs in this area who have
> been awarded significant money and are in various stages of deployment.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/8/2024 10:59 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF wrote:
> > Ken,
> >
> >  From experience, any government grant/loan project will cost at least
> 50%
> more to do than if the government wasn't involved.
> >
> > I think we are too deep into the process to yank it back.  Most states
> have already started, contracts have been signed.
> >
> > Best we can hope for is some of the unnecessary rules and reporting go
> away.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >   Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
> >
> > Myakka Communications
> > www.Myakka.com
> >
> > --
> >
> > Friday, November 8, 2024, 12:22:43 PM, you wrote:
> >
> > KH> Same here.  I see not just Starlink but 5G Home Internet (T-Mobile
> and
> > KH> Verizon) and privately funded fiber racing to gain customers before
> BEAD
> > KH> projects get built.  If people are happy and the price is right, it's
> not
> > KH> clear they would switch to the BEAD fiber once it gets built.  And
> even with
> > KH> the subsidies, fiber providers may prefer to spend their own money to
> build
> > KH> in town where there is already a cable company offering 100/20 but
> with high
> > KH> prices and unreliable service so they can easily gain market share.
> >
> > KH> I wonder if Elon wants BEAD money for Starlink (I'm still not clear
> on
> how
> > KH> that would work), or just not to have government subsidized fiber
> take
> away
> > KH> potential customers.
> >
> > KH> And as always, cellular and satellite providers want more spectrum.
> >
> > KH> -Original Message-
> > KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos
> WiFi]
> > KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 11:03 AM
> > KH> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > KH> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD
> >
> > KH> Personally, I want BEAD dead.  It's a huge waste of tax dollars when
> the
> > KH> free market has solved it.
> >
> > KH> There are numerous options for nearly every single American.  Take
> that
> > KH> billion dollars and pay off 1/36000th of our debt.
> >
> > KH> Jim Bouse
> > KH> Brazos WiFi
> > KH> 979-999-7000
> >
> > KH> -Original Message-
> > KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> > KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 10:54 AM
> > KH> To: AFMUG 
> > KH> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD
> >
> >
> > KH> I presume some (most?) of you are getting BEAD money. This is purely
> > KH> speculation at this point, but it's always good to keep your eyes
> open.
> >
> > KH>
>
> https://www.fierce-network.com/broadband/what-trump-win-could-mean-bead-prog
> > KH> ram
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

[tpatel]

That will help stabilize the price of the products too.  

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 11:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

Personally, I want BEAD dead.  It's a huge waste of tax dollars when the
free market has solved it.

There are numerous options for nearly every single American.  Take that
billion dollars and pay off 1/36000th of our debt.

Jim Bouse
Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 10:54 AM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD


I presume some (most?) of you are getting BEAD money. This is purely
speculation at this point, but it's always good to keep your eyes open.

https://www.fierce-network.com/broadband/what-trump-win-could-mean-bead-prog
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[AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

[Bill Prince]

I presume some (most?) of you are getting BEAD money. This is purely 
speculation at this point, but it's always good to keep your eyes open.


https://www.fierce-network.com/broadband/what-trump-win-could-mean-bead-program


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

[tpatel]

Yup. I agree.

 I hope that will lessen the interest of private equity too.

Tushar

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 11:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

Personally, I want BEAD dead.  It's a huge waste of tax dollars when the
free market has solved it.

There are numerous options for nearly every single American.  Take that
billion dollars and pay off 1/36000th of our debt.

Jim Bouse
Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 10:54 AM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD


I presume some (most?) of you are getting BEAD money. This is purely
speculation at this point, but it's always good to keep your eyes open.

https://www.fierce-network.com/broadband/what-trump-win-could-mean-bead-prog
ram


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Re: [AFMUG] ISP level DHCP server

[Josh Luthman]

Mark,

We're using Calix.  I simply do a Mikrotik DHCP server.  In time I may move
over to Kea.  Both work with our billing software.  All customers are u6x
with RG.

On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 10:44 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF <
af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

> Sterling,
>
>
>
> We are using Calix, so this sounds like the solution.  I'll dig a bit
> deeper in to their docs.
>
>
>
> Thanks to everyone.
>
>
> --
>
> Best regards,
>
>  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
>
> Myakka Communications
>
> www.Myakka.com
>
>
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>
> Tuesday, November 5, 2024, 7:15:34 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> What equipment?
>
> Some types of equipment like our Calix XGSPON, handles this natively, so
> you can just use DHCP and it will already isolate the clients.
>
> We still have active ethernet in some parts of our network, so port
> isolation or switch port forwarding or similar items are what you are
> looking for without having to resort to fancy layer3 type stuff like that.
>
> But that all depends on the equipment of course. We use Mikrotik and UI
> and some FiberStore switches in our network, all of which do a form of
> isolation on layer2 natively. So when a client device looks at it's WAN
> network all it sees is the upstream devices and none of the other layer2
> devices.
> --
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> Technologies via AF 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 5, 2024 2:38 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Mark - Myakka Technologies 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ISP level DHCP server
>
> We have always used PPPoE in the past.  Just happen to be what our first
> system 23 years ago was based on and we just stuck with it.  We are setting
> up a new area with all new equipment.  Looking at setting it up as DHCP.
> Looks like I can do some DHCP radius stuff and our new equipment will
> inject data via option 82 if I want.
>
> The issue I can't wrap my head around is security.  If I just setup a
> normal DHCP server, all clients will be on the same LAN.  That would not be
> good.
>
> I'm looking at option 121 and /32 addresses.  But, I don't think all
> residential routers support 121.
>
> VLANs are another option, but I don think they will scale well.
>
> I feel like I'm missing some type of simple answer.
>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

[Josh Luthman]

Most are DEFINITELY not prepared for BEAD.  So much red tape, so much
bullshit.

I'd prefer it to just go away, but the government has to be the hero to
save the day (never mind it's spent millions and gotten 0 feet in the
ground).

We may try for it, we'll see what volume 2 says.  It has been "soon" for
about 6 months.  Ohio will be spending money on locations we already have
fiber at, so I can probably just get BEAD dollars to build the fiber I
already have done.

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 3:17 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Friends don't let friends take BEAD money.
>
> I'm somehow reminded of the Hall & Oates song that was on the radio
> yesterday, "Maneater".  Watch out boy, she'll chew you up.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 1:40 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD
>
> We are not expecting to see any for perhaps a year.  Certainly 6 months.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: tpa...@ecpi.com
> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 12:36 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD
>
> BEAD money has not been allocated to anyone yet. It may be from the COVID
> program (I forget what was that called).
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 1:27 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD
>
> That is kind of my point. I know several WISPs/FISPs in this area who have
> been awarded significant money and are in various stages of deployment.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/8/2024 10:59 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF wrote:
> > Ken,
> >
> >  From experience, any government grant/loan project will cost at least
> > 50%
> more to do than if the government wasn't involved.
> >
> > I think we are too deep into the process to yank it back.  Most states
> have already started, contracts have been signed.
> >
> > Best we can hope for is some of the unnecessary rules and reporting go
> away.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >   Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
> >
> > Myakka Communications
> > www.Myakka.com
> >
> > --
> >
> > Friday, November 8, 2024, 12:22:43 PM, you wrote:
> >
> > KH> Same here.  I see not just Starlink but 5G Home Internet (T-Mobile
> > KH> and
> > KH> Verizon) and privately funded fiber racing to gain customers
> > KH> before
> BEAD
> > KH> projects get built.  If people are happy and the price is right,
> > KH> it's
> not
> > KH> clear they would switch to the BEAD fiber once it gets built.  And
> even with
> > KH> the subsidies, fiber providers may prefer to spend their own money
> > KH> to
> build
> > KH> in town where there is already a cable company offering 100/20 but
> with high
> > KH> prices and unreliable service so they can easily gain market share.
> >
> > KH> I wonder if Elon wants BEAD money for Starlink (I'm still not
> > KH> clear on
> how
> > KH> that would work), or just not to have government subsidized fiber
> > KH> take
> away
> > KH> potential customers.
> >
> > KH> And as always, cellular and satellite providers want more spectrum.
> >
> > KH> -Original Message-
> > KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos
> WiFi]
> > KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 11:03 AM
> > KH> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > KH> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD
> >
> > KH> Personally, I want BEAD dead.  It's a huge waste of tax dollars
> > KH> when
> the
> > KH> free market has solved it.
> >
> > KH> There are numerous options for nearly every single American.  Take
> that
> > KH> billion dollars and pay off 1/36000th of our debt.
> >
> > KH> Jim Bouse
> > KH> Brazos WiFi
> > KH> 979-999-7000
> >
> > KH> -Original Message-
> > KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> > KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 10:54 AM
> > KH> To: AFMUG 
> > KH> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD
> >
> >
> > KH> I presume some (most?) of you are getting BEAD money. This is
> > KH> purely speculation at this point, but it's always good to keep
> > KH> your eyes
> open.
> >
> > KH>
>
> https://www.fierce-network.com/broadband/what-trump-win-could-mean-bead-prog
> > KH> ram
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

[Ken Hohhof]

Same here.  I see not just Starlink but 5G Home Internet (T-Mobile and
Verizon) and privately funded fiber racing to gain customers before BEAD
projects get built.  If people are happy and the price is right, it's not
clear they would switch to the BEAD fiber once it gets built.  And even with
the subsidies, fiber providers may prefer to spend their own money to build
in town where there is already a cable company offering 100/20 but with high
prices and unreliable service so they can easily gain market share.

I wonder if Elon wants BEAD money for Starlink (I'm still not clear on how
that would work), or just not to have government subsidized fiber take away
potential customers.

And as always, cellular and satellite providers want more spectrum.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 11:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

Personally, I want BEAD dead.  It's a huge waste of tax dollars when the
free market has solved it.

There are numerous options for nearly every single American.  Take that
billion dollars and pay off 1/36000th of our debt.

Jim Bouse
Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 10:54 AM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD


I presume some (most?) of you are getting BEAD money. This is purely
speculation at this point, but it's always good to keep your eyes open.

https://www.fierce-network.com/broadband/what-trump-win-could-mean-bead-prog
ram


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

[Bill Prince]

That is kind of my point. I know several WISPs/FISPs in this area who 
have been awarded significant money and are in various stages of deployment.



bp


On 11/8/2024 10:59 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF wrote:

Ken,

 From experience, any government grant/loan project will cost at least 50% more 
to do than if the government wasn't involved.

I think we are too deep into the process to yank it back.  Most states have 
already started, contracts have been signed.

Best we can hope for is some of the unnecessary rules and reporting go away.


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Friday, November 8, 2024, 12:22:43 PM, you wrote:

KH> Same here.  I see not just Starlink but 5G Home Internet (T-Mobile and
KH> Verizon) and privately funded fiber racing to gain customers before BEAD
KH> projects get built.  If people are happy and the price is right, it's not
KH> clear they would switch to the BEAD fiber once it gets built.  And even with
KH> the subsidies, fiber providers may prefer to spend their own money to build
KH> in town where there is already a cable company offering 100/20 but with high
KH> prices and unreliable service so they can easily gain market share.

KH> I wonder if Elon wants BEAD money for Starlink (I'm still not clear on how
KH> that would work), or just not to have government subsidized fiber take away
KH> potential customers.

KH> And as always, cellular and satellite providers want more spectrum.

KH> -Original Message-
KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 11:03 AM
KH> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
KH> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

KH> Personally, I want BEAD dead.  It's a huge waste of tax dollars when the
KH> free market has solved it.

KH> There are numerous options for nearly every single American.  Take that
KH> billion dollars and pay off 1/36000th of our debt.

KH> Jim Bouse
KH> Brazos WiFi
KH> 979-999-7000

KH> -Original Message-
KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 10:54 AM
KH> To: AFMUG 
KH> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD


KH> I presume some (most?) of you are getting BEAD money. This is purely
KH> speculation at this point, but it's always good to keep your eyes open.

KH> https://www.fierce-network.com/broadband/what-trump-win-could-mean-bead-prog
KH> ram


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

[tpatel]

BEAD money has not been allocated to anyone yet. It may be from the COVID
program (I forget what was that called).

Tushar

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 1:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

That is kind of my point. I know several WISPs/FISPs in this area who have
been awarded significant money and are in various stages of deployment.


bp


On 11/8/2024 10:59 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF wrote:
> Ken,
>
>  From experience, any government grant/loan project will cost at least 50%
more to do than if the government wasn't involved.
>
> I think we are too deep into the process to yank it back.  Most states
have already started, contracts have been signed.
>
> Best we can hope for is some of the unnecessary rules and reporting go
away.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>   Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Communications
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Friday, November 8, 2024, 12:22:43 PM, you wrote:
>
> KH> Same here.  I see not just Starlink but 5G Home Internet (T-Mobile and
> KH> Verizon) and privately funded fiber racing to gain customers before
BEAD
> KH> projects get built.  If people are happy and the price is right, it's
not
> KH> clear they would switch to the BEAD fiber once it gets built.  And
even with
> KH> the subsidies, fiber providers may prefer to spend their own money to
build
> KH> in town where there is already a cable company offering 100/20 but
with high
> KH> prices and unreliable service so they can easily gain market share.
>
> KH> I wonder if Elon wants BEAD money for Starlink (I'm still not clear on
how
> KH> that would work), or just not to have government subsidized fiber take
away
> KH> potential customers.
>
> KH> And as always, cellular and satellite providers want more spectrum.
>
> KH> -Original Message-
> KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos
WiFi]
> KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 11:03 AM
> KH> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> KH> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD
>
> KH> Personally, I want BEAD dead.  It's a huge waste of tax dollars when
the
> KH> free market has solved it.
>
> KH> There are numerous options for nearly every single American.  Take
that
> KH> billion dollars and pay off 1/36000th of our debt.
>
> KH> Jim Bouse
> KH> Brazos WiFi
> KH> 979-999-7000
>
> KH> -Original Message-
> KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 10:54 AM
> KH> To: AFMUG 
> KH> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD
>
>
> KH> I presume some (most?) of you are getting BEAD money. This is purely
> KH> speculation at this point, but it's always good to keep your eyes
open.
>
> KH>
https://www.fierce-network.com/broadband/what-trump-win-could-mean-bead-prog
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

[chuck]

We are not expecting to see any for perhaps a year.  Certainly 6 months.

-Original Message- 
From: tpa...@ecpi.com

Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 12:36 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

BEAD money has not been allocated to anyone yet. It may be from the COVID
program (I forget what was that called).

Tushar

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 1:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

That is kind of my point. I know several WISPs/FISPs in this area who have
been awarded significant money and are in various stages of deployment.


bp


On 11/8/2024 10:59 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF wrote:

Ken,

 From experience, any government grant/loan project will cost at least 50%

more to do than if the government wasn't involved.


I think we are too deep into the process to yank it back.  Most states

have already started, contracts have been signed.


Best we can hope for is some of the unnecessary rules and reporting go

away.



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Friday, November 8, 2024, 12:22:43 PM, you wrote:

KH> Same here.  I see not just Starlink but 5G Home Internet (T-Mobile and
KH> Verizon) and privately funded fiber racing to gain customers before

BEAD

KH> projects get built.  If people are happy and the price is right, it's

not

KH> clear they would switch to the BEAD fiber once it gets built.  And

even with

KH> the subsidies, fiber providers may prefer to spend their own money to

build

KH> in town where there is already a cable company offering 100/20 but

with high

KH> prices and unreliable service so they can easily gain market share.

KH> I wonder if Elon wants BEAD money for Starlink (I'm still not clear on

how

KH> that would work), or just not to have government subsidized fiber take

away

KH> potential customers.

KH> And as always, cellular and satellite providers want more spectrum.

KH> -Original Message-
KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos

WiFi]

KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 11:03 AM
KH> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
KH> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

KH> Personally, I want BEAD dead.  It's a huge waste of tax dollars when

the

KH> free market has solved it.

KH> There are numerous options for nearly every single American.  Take

that

KH> billion dollars and pay off 1/36000th of our debt.

KH> Jim Bouse
KH> Brazos WiFi
KH> 979-999-7000

KH> -Original Message-
KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 10:54 AM
KH> To: AFMUG 
KH> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD


KH> I presume some (most?) of you are getting BEAD money. This is purely
KH> speculation at this point, but it's always good to keep your eyes

open.


KH>

https://www.fierce-network.com/broadband/what-trump-win-could-mean-bead-prog

KH> ram


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

[Chuck]

I want bead money.  I might be able to get a little.  If I can’t get any I want 
bead dead.  Can’t you all say the same?
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2024, at 10:43 AM, tpa...@ecpi.com wrote:
> 
> That will help stabilize the price of the products too.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 11:03 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD
> 
> Personally, I want BEAD dead.  It's a huge waste of tax dollars when the
> free market has solved it.
> 
> There are numerous options for nearly every single American.  Take that
> billion dollars and pay off 1/36000th of our debt.
> 
> Jim Bouse
> Brazos WiFi
> 979-999-7000
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 10:54 AM
> To: AFMUG 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD
> 
> 
> I presume some (most?) of you are getting BEAD money. This is purely
> speculation at this point, but it's always good to keep your eyes open.
> 
> https://www.fierce-network.com/broadband/what-trump-win-could-mean-bead-prog
> ram
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

[Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF]

Ken,

>From experience, any government grant/loan project will cost at least 50% more 
>to do than if the government wasn't involved. 

I think we are too deep into the process to yank it back.  Most states have 
already started, contracts have been signed.

Best we can hope for is some of the unnecessary rules and reporting go away.


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Friday, November 8, 2024, 12:22:43 PM, you wrote:

KH> Same here.  I see not just Starlink but 5G Home Internet (T-Mobile and
KH> Verizon) and privately funded fiber racing to gain customers before BEAD
KH> projects get built.  If people are happy and the price is right, it's not
KH> clear they would switch to the BEAD fiber once it gets built.  And even with
KH> the subsidies, fiber providers may prefer to spend their own money to build
KH> in town where there is already a cable company offering 100/20 but with high
KH> prices and unreliable service so they can easily gain market share.

KH> I wonder if Elon wants BEAD money for Starlink (I'm still not clear on how
KH> that would work), or just not to have government subsidized fiber take away
KH> potential customers.

KH> And as always, cellular and satellite providers want more spectrum.

KH> -Original Message-
KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 11:03 AM
KH> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
KH> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

KH> Personally, I want BEAD dead.  It's a huge waste of tax dollars when the
KH> free market has solved it.

KH> There are numerous options for nearly every single American.  Take that
KH> billion dollars and pay off 1/36000th of our debt.

KH> Jim Bouse
KH> Brazos WiFi
KH> 979-999-7000

KH> -Original Message-
KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 10:54 AM
KH> To: AFMUG 
KH> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD


KH> I presume some (most?) of you are getting BEAD money. This is purely
KH> speculation at this point, but it's always good to keep your eyes open.

KH> https://www.fierce-network.com/broadband/what-trump-win-could-mean-bead-prog
KH> ram


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

[Ken Hohhof]

BEAD?  Or some other program?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 1:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

That is kind of my point. I know several WISPs/FISPs in this area who have
been awarded significant money and are in various stages of deployment.


bp


On 11/8/2024 10:59 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF wrote:
> Ken,
>
>  From experience, any government grant/loan project will cost at least 50%
more to do than if the government wasn't involved.
>
> I think we are too deep into the process to yank it back.  Most states
have already started, contracts have been signed.
>
> Best we can hope for is some of the unnecessary rules and reporting go
away.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>   Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Communications
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Friday, November 8, 2024, 12:22:43 PM, you wrote:
>
> KH> Same here.  I see not just Starlink but 5G Home Internet (T-Mobile and
> KH> Verizon) and privately funded fiber racing to gain customers before
BEAD
> KH> projects get built.  If people are happy and the price is right, it's
not
> KH> clear they would switch to the BEAD fiber once it gets built.  And
even with
> KH> the subsidies, fiber providers may prefer to spend their own money to
build
> KH> in town where there is already a cable company offering 100/20 but
with high
> KH> prices and unreliable service so they can easily gain market share.
>
> KH> I wonder if Elon wants BEAD money for Starlink (I'm still not clear on
how
> KH> that would work), or just not to have government subsidized fiber take
away
> KH> potential customers.
>
> KH> And as always, cellular and satellite providers want more spectrum.
>
> KH> -Original Message-
> KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos
WiFi]
> KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 11:03 AM
> KH> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> KH> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD
>
> KH> Personally, I want BEAD dead.  It's a huge waste of tax dollars when
the
> KH> free market has solved it.
>
> KH> There are numerous options for nearly every single American.  Take
that
> KH> billion dollars and pay off 1/36000th of our debt.
>
> KH> Jim Bouse
> KH> Brazos WiFi
> KH> 979-999-7000
>
> KH> -Original Message-
> KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 10:54 AM
> KH> To: AFMUG 
> KH> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD
>
>
> KH> I presume some (most?) of you are getting BEAD money. This is purely
> KH> speculation at this point, but it's always good to keep your eyes
open.
>
> KH>
https://www.fierce-network.com/broadband/what-trump-win-could-mean-bead-prog
> KH> ram
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

[Ken Hohhof]

Friends don't let friends take BEAD money.

I'm somehow reminded of the Hall & Oates song that was on the radio
yesterday, "Maneater".  Watch out boy, she'll chew you up.

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Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 1:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

We are not expecting to see any for perhaps a year.  Certainly 6 months.

-Original Message-
From: tpa...@ecpi.com
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 12:36 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

BEAD money has not been allocated to anyone yet. It may be from the COVID
program (I forget what was that called).

Tushar

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 1:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

That is kind of my point. I know several WISPs/FISPs in this area who have
been awarded significant money and are in various stages of deployment.


bp


On 11/8/2024 10:59 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF wrote:
> Ken,
>
>  From experience, any government grant/loan project will cost at least 
> 50%
more to do than if the government wasn't involved.
>
> I think we are too deep into the process to yank it back.  Most states
have already started, contracts have been signed.
>
> Best we can hope for is some of the unnecessary rules and reporting go
away.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>   Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Communications
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Friday, November 8, 2024, 12:22:43 PM, you wrote:
>
> KH> Same here.  I see not just Starlink but 5G Home Internet (T-Mobile 
> KH> and
> KH> Verizon) and privately funded fiber racing to gain customers 
> KH> before
BEAD
> KH> projects get built.  If people are happy and the price is right, 
> KH> it's
not
> KH> clear they would switch to the BEAD fiber once it gets built.  And
even with
> KH> the subsidies, fiber providers may prefer to spend their own money 
> KH> to
build
> KH> in town where there is already a cable company offering 100/20 but
with high
> KH> prices and unreliable service so they can easily gain market share.
>
> KH> I wonder if Elon wants BEAD money for Starlink (I'm still not 
> KH> clear on
how
> KH> that would work), or just not to have government subsidized fiber 
> KH> take
away
> KH> potential customers.
>
> KH> And as always, cellular and satellite providers want more spectrum.
>
> KH> -Original Message-
> KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos
WiFi]
> KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 11:03 AM
> KH> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> KH> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD
>
> KH> Personally, I want BEAD dead.  It's a huge waste of tax dollars 
> KH> when
the
> KH> free market has solved it.
>
> KH> There are numerous options for nearly every single American.  Take
that
> KH> billion dollars and pay off 1/36000th of our debt.
>
> KH> Jim Bouse
> KH> Brazos WiFi
> KH> 979-999-7000
>
> KH> -Original Message-
> KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 10:54 AM
> KH> To: AFMUG 
> KH> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD
>
>
> KH> I presume some (most?) of you are getting BEAD money. This is 
> KH> purely speculation at this point, but it's always good to keep 
> KH> your eyes
open.
>
> KH>
https://www.fierce-network.com/broadband/what-trump-win-could-mean-bead-prog
> KH> ram
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

[Bill Prince]

Yes, it was BEAD as far as I know (I'm not there, but I've seen some 
people congratulating one another). Maybe it was some other program, but 
the awards were 7 and 8 figures.



bp


On 11/8/2024 12:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

BEAD?  Or some other program?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 1:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

That is kind of my point. I know several WISPs/FISPs in this area who have
been awarded significant money and are in various stages of deployment.


bp


On 11/8/2024 10:59 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF wrote:

Ken,

  From experience, any government grant/loan project will cost at least 50%

more to do than if the government wasn't involved.

I think we are too deep into the process to yank it back.  Most states

have already started, contracts have been signed.

Best we can hope for is some of the unnecessary rules and reporting go

away.


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Friday, November 8, 2024, 12:22:43 PM, you wrote:

KH> Same here.  I see not just Starlink but 5G Home Internet (T-Mobile and
KH> Verizon) and privately funded fiber racing to gain customers before

BEAD

KH> projects get built.  If people are happy and the price is right, it's

not

KH> clear they would switch to the BEAD fiber once it gets built.  And

even with

KH> the subsidies, fiber providers may prefer to spend their own money to

build

KH> in town where there is already a cable company offering 100/20 but

with high

KH> prices and unreliable service so they can easily gain market share.

KH> I wonder if Elon wants BEAD money for Starlink (I'm still not clear on

how

KH> that would work), or just not to have government subsidized fiber take

away

KH> potential customers.

KH> And as always, cellular and satellite providers want more spectrum.

KH> -Original Message-
KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos

WiFi]

KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 11:03 AM
KH> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
KH> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

KH> Personally, I want BEAD dead.  It's a huge waste of tax dollars when

the

KH> free market has solved it.

KH> There are numerous options for nearly every single American.  Take

that

KH> billion dollars and pay off 1/36000th of our debt.

KH> Jim Bouse
KH> Brazos WiFi
KH> 979-999-7000

KH> -Original Message-
KH> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
KH> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 10:54 AM
KH> To: AFMUG 
KH> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD


KH> I presume some (most?) of you are getting BEAD money. This is purely
KH> speculation at this point, but it's always good to keep your eyes

open.

KH>

https://www.fierce-network.com/broadband/what-trump-win-could-mean-bead-prog

KH> ram


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

Personally, I want BEAD dead.  It's a huge waste of tax dollars when the free 
market has solved it.

There are numerous options for nearly every single American.  Take that billion 
dollars and pay off 1/36000th of our debt.

Jim Bouse
Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 10:54 AM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: (and sorta not OT) Future of BEAD


I presume some (most?) of you are getting BEAD money. This is purely 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching

[Chris Fabien]

You might find these interesting also:
https://www.amazon.com/QIANRENON-Receiver-Filtering-Function-Conversion/dp/B0BYZCSTMD

On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 7:41 PM  wrote:

> So for $8.50 you can convert 1550 fiber to F connector?  Great Scott!
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 7, 2024 5:27 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching
>
> Well, to start with where is the current video feed coming from? If it's
> generated on site you'd need a 1550 catv laser transmitter to make the
> copper RF signal into 1550 light, that feeds into the multi port EDFA MUX
> to put it on the PONS. I think this would be the laser from WSEE, we
> already had 1550 video available so we did not buy a laser from WSEE.
>
>
> https://www.wseelaser.com/direct-modulation-transmitter%20/1550nm-direct-modulated-optical-transmitter.html
>
> Attaching the invoice from our last order.
> The stuff works great, we have I think 7 or 8 of the EDFAs and distribute
> video over all of our FTTH.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024, 2:55 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> This looks very interesting.  What equipment is needed at the headend?
>> Just something simliar to put the RF signal on the fiber?
>> On 11/6/2024 5:46 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
>>
>> https://www.wseelaser.com/ftth/or20-ftth-agc-optical-node-with-wdm.html
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2024, 5:26 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> What would you call this $10 device?
>>> On 11/6/2024 11:17 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:
>>>
>>> Nate, If they want to keep the clearQAM video feed in place, that is
>>> pretty straightforward to do via RF overlay on top of a GPON or XGSPON
>>> Network. A couple pieces of equipment at the headend and a $10 optical
>>> receiver at each house. No STB required.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 5:43 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
 The Boss and I are having an arug^H^H^H^H Discussion about installing
 fiber in a campground (Mostly permanent Singlewide units).  He thinks
 that it would be too difficult to do.  I contend that with
 Microtrenching down the campground roads, this would be the perfect
 deployment for Gpon Fiber.

 Campsites are concrete pad Road to road, no dirt runs between multiple
 trailers without lots of concrete cutting.  So at most there would be 2
 trailers fed off each duct drop from the asphalt road.

 When you do microtrenching, do you just do a bunch of microduct, then
 break off a microduct whenever you need it?  There would probably be
 ~20
 microducts that could run out of a central Handhole at the end of the
 street, and feed both sides of the street for 40 trailers.  20 trailers
 per side, 10 microduct drops per side 1 microduct feeding 2 trailers.
 Is that too many for a microtrench?

 There is an existing coax cable plant, installed in the early 80's that
 is bandaided together to provide Docsis at about 10mb/5mb, with many
 many outages.  All utilities are private, unmarked, and sometimes near
 the surface.

 The microtrenching videos make it looks like you just advance down the
 street at a few feet per minute, with a fixed road behind you.  Is it
 not that simple?  I'm thinking the whole campground of 1500 spots could
 be installed in a few weeks.

 Anyone done campground deployments?  Tree coverage makes RF not as
 feasible.  Downside of fiber is that there are a handful of clearQAM TV
 Channel on the existing coax plant.  That's much harder to do with
 fiber
 without some sort of STB agreement.


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching

[Chuck]

I wonder how it works without power?Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 8, 2024, at 5:31 AM, Chris Fabien  wrote:You might find these interesting also:https://www.amazon.com/QIANRENON-Receiver-Filtering-Function-Conversion/dp/B0BYZCSTMDOn Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 7:41 PM  wrote:



So for $8.50 you can convert 1550 fiber to F connector?  Great 
Scott!


 

From: Chris 
Fabien 
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2024 5:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching
 

Well, to start with where is the current video feed coming from? If it's 
generated on site you'd need a 1550 catv laser transmitter to make the copper RF 
signal into 1550 light, that feeds into the multi port EDFA MUX to put it on the 
PONS. I think this would be the laser from WSEE, we already had 1550 video 
available so we did not buy a laser from WSEE.   
https://www.wseelaser.com/direct-modulation-transmitter%20/1550nm-direct-modulated-optical-transmitter.html
 
Attaching the invoice from our last order.
The stuff works great, we have I think 7 or 8 of the EDFAs and distribute 
video over all of our FTTH. 
 
 
 

On Thu, Nov 7, 2024, 2:55 PM Nate Burke  
wrote:

  
  This looks very interesting.  What equipment is needed at the 
  headend?  Just something simliar to put the RF signal on the fiber?  
  
  On 11/6/2024 5:46 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
  
https://www.wseelaser.com/ftth/or20-ftth-agc-optical-node-with-wdm.html
 

On Wed, Nov 6, 2024, 5:26 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

  
  What would you call this $10 device?  
  On 11/6/2024 11:17 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:
  
Nate, If they want to keep the clearQAM video feed in 
place, that is pretty straightforward to do via RF overlay on top of a 
GPON or XGSPON Network. A couple pieces of equipment at the headend and 
a $10 optical receiver at each house. No STB required. 
 

On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 5:43 PM Nate Burke 
 wrote:
The 
  Boss and I are having an arug^H^H^H^H Discussion about installing 
  fiber in a campground (Mostly permanent Singlewide units).  
  He thinks that it would be too difficult to do.  I contend 
  that with Microtrenching down the campground roads, this would be 
  the perfect deployment for Gpon Fiber.Campsites are 
  concrete pad Road to road, no dirt runs between multiple trailers 
  without lots of concrete cutting.  So at most there would be 2 
  trailers fed off each duct drop from the asphalt road.When 
  you do microtrenching, do you just do a bunch of microduct, then 
  break off a microduct whenever you need it?  There would 
  probably be ~20 microducts that could run out of a central 
  Handhole at the end of the street, and feed both sides of the 
  street for 40 trailers.  20 trailers per side, 10 microduct 
  drops per side 1 microduct feeding 2 trailers.  Is that too 
  many for a microtrench?There is an existing coax cable plant, 
  installed in the early 80's that is bandaided together to provide 
  Docsis at about 10mb/5mb, with many many outages.  All 
  utilities are private, unmarked, and sometimes near the 
  surface.The microtrenching videos make it looks like you just 
  advance down the street at a few feet per minute, with a fixed 
  road behind you.  Is it not that simple?  I'm thinking 
  the whole campground of 1500 spots could be installed in a few 
  weeks.Anyone done campground deployments?  Tree coverage 
  makes RF not as feasible.  Downside of fiber is that there 
  are a handful of clearQAM TV Channel on the existing coax 
  plant.  That's much harder to do with fiber without some sort 
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Re: [AFMUG] ISP level DHCP server

[Chris Fabien]

Mark,
With Calix this is a few settings in the VLAN config for the data service
vlan.
For a typical DHCP data vlan you'll probably want:
HEMLOCK-E7-2_1# show running-config vlan 121
vlan 121
 description DHCP_DATA
 l2-dhcp-profile SNOOP_SINGLE
 source-verify   ENABLED
 mff ENABLED
!

Your dhcp approach will either be snooping or relay depending how you want
to handle that.
Curious how you are finding Calix compared to, was it Zhone you used
previously?

Chris



On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 10:44 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF <
af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

> Sterling,
>
>
>
> We are using Calix, so this sounds like the solution.  I'll dig a bit
> deeper in to their docs.
>
>
>
> Thanks to everyone.
>
>
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>
> Best regards,
>
>  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
>
> Myakka Communications
>
> www.Myakka.com
>
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>
> Tuesday, November 5, 2024, 7:15:34 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> What equipment?
>
> Some types of equipment like our Calix XGSPON, handles this natively, so
> you can just use DHCP and it will already isolate the clients.
>
> We still have active ethernet in some parts of our network, so port
> isolation or switch port forwarding or similar items are what you are
> looking for without having to resort to fancy layer3 type stuff like that.
>
> But that all depends on the equipment of course. We use Mikrotik and UI
> and some FiberStore switches in our network, all of which do a form of
> isolation on layer2 natively. So when a client device looks at it's WAN
> network all it sees is the upstream devices and none of the other layer2
> devices.
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> Technologies via AF 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 5, 2024 2:38 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Mark - Myakka Technologies 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ISP level DHCP server
>
> We have always used PPPoE in the past.  Just happen to be what our first
> system 23 years ago was based on and we just stuck with it.  We are setting
> up a new area with all new equipment.  Looking at setting it up as DHCP.
> Looks like I can do some DHCP radius stuff and our new equipment will
> inject data via option 82 if I want.
>
> The issue I can't wrap my head around is security.  If I just setup a
> normal DHCP server, all clients will be on the same LAN.  That would not be
> good.
>
> I'm looking at option 121 and /32 addresses.  But, I don't think all
> residential routers support 121.
>
> VLANs are another option, but I don think they will scale well.
>
> I feel like I'm missing some type of simple answer.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching

[Chris Fabien]

It's powered via the light from the fiber. I bought a few for testing, they
work fine although it takes a lot of light to get enough RF power out to
run a normal household with ~4 TVs. We ended up using the powered ones for
that reason.

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 8:45 AM Chuck  wrote:

> I wonder how it works without power?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2024, at 5:31 AM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>
> 
> You might find these interesting also:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/QIANRENON-Receiver-Filtering-Function-Conversion/dp/B0BYZCSTMD
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 7:41 PM  wrote:
>
>> So for $8.50 you can convert 1550 fiber to F connector?  Great Scott!
>>
>> *From:* Chris Fabien
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 7, 2024 5:27 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching
>>
>> Well, to start with where is the current video feed coming from? If it's
>> generated on site you'd need a 1550 catv laser transmitter to make the
>> copper RF signal into 1550 light, that feeds into the multi port EDFA MUX
>> to put it on the PONS. I think this would be the laser from WSEE, we
>> already had 1550 video available so we did not buy a laser from WSEE.
>>
>>
>> https://www.wseelaser.com/direct-modulation-transmitter%20/1550nm-direct-modulated-optical-transmitter.html
>>
>> Attaching the invoice from our last order.
>> The stuff works great, we have I think 7 or 8 of the EDFAs and distribute
>> video over all of our FTTH.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024, 2:55 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> This looks very interesting.  What equipment is needed at the headend?
>>> Just something simliar to put the RF signal on the fiber?
>>> On 11/6/2024 5:46 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.wseelaser.com/ftth/or20-ftth-agc-optical-node-with-wdm.html
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2024, 5:26 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
 What would you call this $10 device?
 On 11/6/2024 11:17 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:

 Nate, If they want to keep the clearQAM video feed in place, that is
 pretty straightforward to do via RF overlay on top of a GPON or XGSPON
 Network. A couple pieces of equipment at the headend and a $10 optical
 receiver at each house. No STB required.

 On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 5:43 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> The Boss and I are having an arug^H^H^H^H Discussion about installing
> fiber in a campground (Mostly permanent Singlewide units).  He thinks
> that it would be too difficult to do.  I contend that with
> Microtrenching down the campground roads, this would be the perfect
> deployment for Gpon Fiber.
>
> Campsites are concrete pad Road to road, no dirt runs between multiple
> trailers without lots of concrete cutting.  So at most there would be
> 2
> trailers fed off each duct drop from the asphalt road.
>
> When you do microtrenching, do you just do a bunch of microduct, then
> break off a microduct whenever you need it?  There would probably be
> ~20
> microducts that could run out of a central Handhole at the end of the
> street, and feed both sides of the street for 40 trailers.  20
> trailers
> per side, 10 microduct drops per side 1 microduct feeding 2 trailers.
> Is that too many for a microtrench?
>
> There is an existing coax cable plant, installed in the early 80's
> that
> is bandaided together to provide Docsis at about 10mb/5mb, with many
> many outages.  All utilities are private, unmarked, and sometimes near
> the surface.
>
> The microtrenching videos make it looks like you just advance down the
> street at a few feet per minute, with a fixed road behind you.  Is it
> not that simple?  I'm thinking the whole campground of 1500 spots
> could
> be installed in a few weeks.
>
> Anyone done campground deployments?  Tree coverage makes RF not as
> feasible.  Downside of fiber is that there are a handful of clearQAM
> TV
> Channel on the existing coax plant.  That's much harder to do with
> fiber
> without some sort of STB agreement.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching

[Chuck]

I guess you have mW available to make microvolts.  Pretty clever.Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 8, 2024, at 7:07 AM, Chris Fabien  wrote:It's powered via the light from the fiber. I bought a few for testing, they work fine although it takes a lot of light to get enough RF power out to run a normal household with ~4 TVs. We ended up using the powered ones for that reason. On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 8:45 AM Chuck  wrote:I wonder how it works without power?Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 8, 2024, at 5:31 AM, Chris Fabien  wrote:You might find these interesting also:https://www.amazon.com/QIANRENON-Receiver-Filtering-Function-Conversion/dp/B0BYZCSTMDOn Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 7:41 PM  wrote:



So for $8.50 you can convert 1550 fiber to F connector?  Great 
Scott!


 

From: Chris 
Fabien 
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2024 5:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching
 

Well, to start with where is the current video feed coming from? If it's 
generated on site you'd need a 1550 catv laser transmitter to make the copper RF 
signal into 1550 light, that feeds into the multi port EDFA MUX to put it on the 
PONS. I think this would be the laser from WSEE, we already had 1550 video 
available so we did not buy a laser from WSEE.   
https://www.wseelaser.com/direct-modulation-transmitter%20/1550nm-direct-modulated-optical-transmitter.html
 
Attaching the invoice from our last order.
The stuff works great, we have I think 7 or 8 of the EDFAs and distribute 
video over all of our FTTH. 
 
 
 

On Thu, Nov 7, 2024, 2:55 PM Nate Burke  
wrote:

  
  This looks very interesting.  What equipment is needed at the 
  headend?  Just something simliar to put the RF signal on the fiber?  
  
  On 11/6/2024 5:46 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
  
https://www.wseelaser.com/ftth/or20-ftth-agc-optical-node-with-wdm.html
 

On Wed, Nov 6, 2024, 5:26 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

  
  What would you call this $10 device?  
  On 11/6/2024 11:17 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:
  
Nate, If they want to keep the clearQAM video feed in 
place, that is pretty straightforward to do via RF overlay on top of a 
GPON or XGSPON Network. A couple pieces of equipment at the headend and 
a $10 optical receiver at each house. No STB required. 
 

On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 5:43 PM Nate Burke 
 wrote:
The 
  Boss and I are having an arug^H^H^H^H Discussion about installing 
  fiber in a campground (Mostly permanent Singlewide units).  
  He thinks that it would be too difficult to do.  I contend 
  that with Microtrenching down the campground roads, this would be 
  the perfect deployment for Gpon Fiber.Campsites are 
  concrete pad Road to road, no dirt runs between multiple trailers 
  without lots of concrete cutting.  So at most there would be 2 
  trailers fed off each duct drop from the asphalt road.When 
  you do microtrenching, do you just do a bunch of microduct, then 
  break off a microduct whenever you need it?  There would 
  probably be ~20 microducts that could run out of a central 
  Handhole at the end of the street, and feed both sides of the 
  street for 40 trailers.  20 trailers per side, 10 microduct 
  drops per side 1 microduct feeding 2 trailers.  Is that too 
  many for a microtrench?There is an existing coax cable plant, 
  installed in the early 80's that is bandaided together to provide 
  Docsis at about 10mb/5mb, with many many outages.  All 
  utilities are private, unmarked, and sometimes near the 
  surface.The microtrenching videos make it looks like you just 
  advance down the street at a few feet per minute, with a fixed 
  road behind you.  Is it not that simple?  I'm thinking 
  the whole campground of 1500 spots could be installed in a few 
  weeks.Anyone done campground deployments?  Tree coverage 
  makes RF not as feasible.  Downside of fiber is that there 
  are a handful of clearQAM TV Channel on the existing coax 
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