Re: [AFMUG] Cellular console server

2024-11-04 Thread dbernardi 


Most networking equipment of course has in-band IP management 
(SSH/Telnet/HTTP to loopback or other interface), some have out of band 
IP access on dedicated IP MGMT Ethernet port, and all have serial 
console RS-232 (most are RJ11 now) access.


We find less value in setting up OOB IP/Ethernet MGMT access because you 
usually either have access directly in-band IP (even remotely if you 
have access to one device you have access to all - assuming they are all 
operating normally and the PoP was just isolated), or you require serial 
console access especially when things really go sideways.


If a device doesn't respond at the IP layer (in or out of band) your 
only choice is the console port and getting a field tech hours away with 
a laptop, proper cables, cellphone hotspot to the laptop with remote 
access software so the NOC can reach that console is simply not 
workable, at least in our case.


Even with fully accessible in-band access to equipment, it's nice to 
have console access when issuing in-band software/firmware/bootstrap 
upgrades or making extensive changes that may cause you to lose 
connectivity (you hope the change you made works and not all devices 
have rollback in x minutes feature), or it may be the only way to grab 
coredumps/crashlogs or other status in the event of device failure.


So for us and many other operators, serial console access is a 
requirement for cellular OOB access.


And while the Raspberry Pi + LTE USB modem + Startech is cost effective 
combination and works fairly well with an occasional need to replace 
microSD, making sure you only use the cellular network (for tunnels or 
direct access) when needed is key in keeping cellular costs down.





On 11/3/2024 3:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Sorry to hijack the thread.

I've been considering developing a few different products to broaden my 
product line so it isn't so WISP focused.   One of the things I've 
looked at is a terminal server device since the existing ones seem so 
rediculous for the price.


BUT..  to meet the price target I'd want to hit,  cellular connectivity 
would be out of the question, due to the excessive cost of the testing 
that the cellular networks require to permit connection to their 
network.  This is probably why the existing products which have cellular 
connectivity cost so much.


I was sort of under the impression that it was pretty typical for out of 
band cellular access to use one of the off the shelf wireless routers/ 
hotspots to provide management-only ip connectivity.  That way,  you can 
connect to the management interface on every device.  Is this not the case?


On Sun, Nov 3, 2024, 6:55 AM dbernardi > wrote:



Not that device in particular but the number of locations and RS-232
ports per device may drive you in a certain direction.

I've been looking for a new solution as well.  With 100's of
locations I
find you need some sort of dashboard to track and manage devices,
whether home-grown or from a provider.

We originally used Opengear 3G console servers but had to replace them
as Verizon phased out 3G service so we put together our own RPi with a
Verizon 4G USB cellular modem and a Startech USB/RS-232 adapter with
appropriate number of ports.  That <$200 solution worked pretty well
but
if you don't pay attention to tunnel management (make sure it switches
back to on-net link) it's easy to rack up a 5 figure Verizon bill even
with a M2M type service.

So if you have a lot of devices to manage having visibility into them
and/or cellular is key.  Tunnels become less important if you are
willing to pay for static IPv4 or stable IPv6 addresses from the
carrier
but you still have to monitor them.

I looked at some ~$1500+ devices but at scale it becomes a pretty
significant capital project and I consider tunnel/cellular management
more important anyhow.

I tested the Digi Connect IT-4 with Hologram and it worked well but
they
didn't have Verizon as a carrier at the time (they do now for
additional
fee).  We provide cellular backhaul to many T-Mobile and AT&T sites so
in the event our PoP/cabinet becomes isolated the concern is that same
towers we provide backhaul to would be how we would gain out-of-band
access to our equipment said outage.  Point being in our case having
primary access to Verizon is important.

I'm currently looking to test Symetry (Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T)+
Peplink
router.  Peplink has a what looks like a very nice tunnel service
dashboard (InTouch @ ~$40/year/device) but their hardware is lacking
console ports so you still need some type console/RS-232 server if you
need more than 1 port.  I'm considering leaving the RPi and Startech in
place as a terminal server (works well) but using the Peplink+Intouch
for cellular access/tunnel management (where

Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

2024-11-04 Thread Dev 
All the good lawyers are retiring, can’t find a local one, or one that even 
knows much about our state laws.

> On Nov 4, 2024, at 4:46 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Lawyer up.
> 
> On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 8:43 PM Dev  > wrote:
>> Anyone know of any repositories of example docs to purchase another 
>> wisp/fisp? Hate to make it up when there’s got to be boilerplate somewhere.
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Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

2024-11-04 Thread chuck 
Same here.  
Basic sales contract.  What you are buying.  What they are paying.  Payment 
schedule. Details of the transaction.  
No big deal.  I think I wrote all of them except when I sold to Rise Broadband. 
 That document was a beast.  


From: Trey Scarborough 
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Yeah no boilerplate I have been involved it many such transactions and every 
one has its individual requirements that would need to be covered. Best to 
spend the money to make sure all your bases are covered.


On 11/4/24 6:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Lawyer up.

  On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 8:43 PM Dev  wrote:

Anyone know of any repositories of example docs to purchase another 
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Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

2024-11-04 Thread Ken Hohhof 
When lawyers retire, usually some bigger firm buys them out and acquires their 
client list.  Life goes on, but prices go up.  Most of the paperwork is done by 
paralegals anyway.

 

Do you have a tax accountant?  Ask what law firm their other clients use.  Or 
maybe ask at the local chamber of commerce, they might know.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
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All the good lawyers are retiring, can’t find a local one, or one that even 
knows much about our state laws.





On Nov 4, 2024, at 4:46 AM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

 

Lawyer up.

 

On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 8:43 PM Dev mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com> > wrote:

Anyone know of any repositories of example docs to purchase another wisp/fisp? 
Hate to make it up when there’s got to be boilerplate somewhere.


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Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

2024-11-04 Thread Dev 
Our CPA died. Okay, so that’s sad. Much sadder than that they forgot to file 
some paperwork which meant the IRS came back on us. That was less sad, but 
still not altogether positive. Okay that sucked too, but in different ways 
altogether. 

We’re trying to find one that hasn’t slipped the surly bonds of this 
terrestrial ball. Many of the rest of the local CPA’s are either retiring, not 
taking clients, or couldn’t run a etch-a-sketch, let alone a calculator. 
Remember etch-a-sketch? Those were cool. It was like an iPad but….

> On Nov 4, 2024, at 8:10 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> When lawyers retire, usually some bigger firm buys them out and acquires 
> their client list.  Life goes on, but prices go up.  Most of the paperwork is 
> done by paralegals anyway.
>  
> Do you have a tax accountant?  Ask what law firm their other clients use.  Or 
> maybe ask at the local chamber of commerce, they might know.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
> Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 9:51 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?
>  
> All the good lawyers are retiring, can’t find a local one, or one that even 
> knows much about our state laws.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2024, at 4:46 AM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>>  
>> Lawyer up.
>>  
>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 8:43 PM Dev > > wrote:
>>> Anyone know of any repositories of example docs to purchase another 
>>> wisp/fisp? Hate to make it up when there’s got to be boilerplate somewhere.
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

2024-11-04 Thread chuck 
Contact the bar association for you state.  You will find plenty.  



From: Dev 
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

All the good lawyers are retiring, can’t find a local one, or one that even 
knows much about our state laws.



  On Nov 4, 2024, at 4:46 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

  Lawyer up.

  On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 8:43 PM Dev  wrote:

Anyone know of any repositories of example docs to purchase another 
wisp/fisp? Hate to make it up when there’s got to be boilerplate somewhere.


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Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

2024-11-04 Thread Dev 
Yeah, but the bar association is a little like “here’s the people in the state 
who are plumbers”, no one can tell you if they suck.

In the case of attorneys, most attorneys will basically say the equivalent of 
“if you pay me, I’ll learn about it, then sell the docs to the next guy”, which 
means I’m putting them to school at $350 an hour.


> On Nov 4, 2024, at 8:07 AM,   wrote:
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> Contact the bar association for you state.  You will find plenty. 
>  
>  
>  
> From: Dev <>
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> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?
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> All the good lawyers are retiring, can’t find a local one, or one that even 
> knows much about our state laws.
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2024, at 4:46 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>>  
>> Lawyer up.
>>  
>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 8:43 PM Dev > wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

2024-11-04 Thread Dev 
I think they’re just looking for cushy corp job that pays tons of money. But 
they own you if you work there, high burnout rate.

In general, a lot of the professional class wants to get paid giant sacks of 
money, but they don’t know almost anything, especially the youngish ones. Like 
real estate agents who do little work - aside from telling you where to spend 
your life savings so they can afford the BMW payments they’re behind on.

> On Nov 4, 2024, at 8:21 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> It seems finding an accountant is tougher than finding a lawyer.  They all 
> want to be wealth managers.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
> Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 10:16 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?
>  
> Our CPA died. Okay, so that’s sad. Much sadder than that they forgot to file 
> some paperwork which meant the IRS came back on us. That was less sad, but 
> still not altogether positive. Okay that sucked too, but in different ways 
> altogether. 
>  
> We’re trying to find one that hasn’t slipped the surly bonds of this 
> terrestrial ball. Many of the rest of the local CPA’s are either retiring, 
> not taking clients, or couldn’t run a etch-a-sketch, let alone a calculator. 
> Remember etch-a-sketch? Those were cool. It was like an iPad but….
> 
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2024, at 8:10 AM, Ken Hohhof > > wrote:
>>  
>> When lawyers retire, usually some bigger firm buys them out and acquires 
>> their client list.  Life goes on, but prices go up.  Most of the paperwork 
>> is done by paralegals anyway.
>>  
>> Do you have a tax accountant?  Ask what law firm their other clients use.  
>> Or maybe ask at the local chamber of commerce, they might know.
>>  
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
>> Behalf Of Dev
>> Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 9:51 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?
>>  
>> All the good lawyers are retiring, can’t find a local one, or one that even 
>> knows much about our state laws.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2024, at 4:46 AM, Josh Luthman >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Lawyer up.
>>>  
>>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 8:43 PM Dev >> > wrote:
 Anyone know of any repositories of example docs to purchase another 
 wisp/fisp? Hate to make it up when there’s got to be boilerplate somewhere.
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

2024-11-04 Thread chuck 
I dunno, I have had the same CPA,  tax attorney, estate attorney, and general 
litigation/transaction law firm for many years.  And I know plenty more that 
can do those jobs.  Maybe Utah just has more attorneys than other states...



From: Dev 
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 10:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

I think they’re just looking for cushy corp job that pays tons of money. But 
they own you if you work there, high burnout rate. 

In general, a lot of the professional class wants to get paid giant sacks of 
money, but they don’t know almost anything, especially the youngish ones. Like 
real estate agents who do little work - aside from telling you where to spend 
your life savings so they can afford the BMW payments they’re behind on.



  On Nov 4, 2024, at 8:21 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  It seems finding an accountant is tougher than finding a lawyer.  They all 
want to be wealth managers.
   
  From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
  Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 10:16 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?
   
  Our CPA died. Okay, so that’s sad. Much sadder than that they forgot to file 
some paperwork which meant the IRS came back on us. That was less sad, but 
still not altogether positive. Okay that sucked too, but in different ways 
altogether. 
   
  We’re trying to find one that hasn’t slipped the surly bonds of this 
terrestrial ball. Many of the rest of the local CPA’s are either retiring, not 
taking clients, or couldn’t run a etch-a-sketch, let alone a calculator. 
Remember etch-a-sketch? Those were cool. It was like an iPad but….



On Nov 4, 2024, at 8:10 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
 
When lawyers retire, usually some bigger firm buys them out and acquires 
their client list.  Life goes on, but prices go up.  Most of the paperwork is 
done by paralegals anyway.
 
Do you have a tax accountant?  Ask what law firm their other clients use.  
Or maybe ask at the local chamber of commerce, they might know.
 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 9:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?
 
All the good lawyers are retiring, can’t find a local one, or one that even 
knows much about our state laws.




  On Nov 4, 2024, at 4:46 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:
   
  Lawyer up.
   
  On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 8:43 PM Dev  wrote:
Anyone know of any repositories of example docs to purchase another 
wisp/fisp? Hate to make it up when there’s got to be boilerplate somewhere.


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Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

2024-11-04 Thread Josh Luthman 
Lawyer up.

On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 8:43 PM Dev  wrote:

> Anyone know of any repositories of example docs to purchase another
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Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

2024-11-04 Thread chuck 
My CPA did the BOI.  Pretty sure it was much less than that.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
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I’ve got a law firm for the company, but everything’s expensive.  They sent me 
nice information for free about the required BOI filing, but they wanted $800 
per entity to actually file for us.  They acquired the 2 person law firm we 
used for 20 years and first thing they determined they were charging us half 
the going rate for routine incorporation paperwork.

 

Injury attorneys aka ambulance chasers seem to be everywhere, at least their 
ads are.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 12:11 PM
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I dunno, I have had the same CPA,  tax attorney, estate attorney, and general 
litigation/transaction law firm for many years.  And I know plenty more that 
can do those jobs.  Maybe Utah just has more attorneys than other states...

 

 

 

From: Dev 

Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 10:48 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

 

I think they’re just looking for cushy corp job that pays tons of money. But 
they own you if you work there, high burnout rate. 

 

In general, a lot of the professional class wants to get paid giant sacks of 
money, but they don’t know almost anything, especially the youngish ones. Like 
real estate agents who do little work - aside from telling you where to spend 
your life savings so they can afford the BMW payments they’re behind on.





  On Nov 4, 2024, at 8:21 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

   

  It seems finding an accountant is tougher than finding a lawyer.  They all 
want to be wealth managers.

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
  Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 10:16 AM
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  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

   

  Our CPA died. Okay, so that’s sad. Much sadder than that they forgot to file 
some paperwork which meant the IRS came back on us. That was less sad, but 
still not altogether positive. Okay that sucked too, but in different ways 
altogether. 

   

  We’re trying to find one that hasn’t slipped the surly bonds of this 
terrestrial ball. Many of the rest of the local CPA’s are either retiring, not 
taking clients, or couldn’t run a etch-a-sketch, let alone a calculator. 
Remember etch-a-sketch? Those were cool. It was like an iPad but….






On Nov 4, 2024, at 8:10 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

 

When lawyers retire, usually some bigger firm buys them out and acquires 
their client list.  Life goes on, but prices go up.  Most of the paperwork is 
done by paralegals anyway.

 

Do you have a tax accountant?  Ask what law firm their other clients use.  
Or maybe ask at the local chamber of commerce, they might know.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 9:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

 

All the good lawyers are retiring, can’t find a local one, or one that even 
knows much about our state laws.







  On Nov 4, 2024, at 4:46 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

   

  Lawyer up.

   

  On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 8:43 PM Dev  wrote:

Anyone know of any repositories of example docs to purchase another 
wisp/fisp? Hate to make it up when there’s got to be boilerplate somewhere.


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Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

2024-11-04 Thread Ken Hohhof 
By the time you got them all the information, hadn’t you done most of the work? 
 I think I had to scan my drivers license.

 

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My CPA did the BOI.  Pretty sure it was much less than that.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

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To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

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I’ve got a law firm for the company, but everything’s expensive.  They sent me 
nice information for free about the required BOI filing, but they wanted $800 
per entity to actually file for us.  They acquired the 2 person law firm we 
used for 20 years and first thing they determined they were charging us half 
the going rate for routine incorporation paperwork.

 

Injury attorneys aka ambulance chasers seem to be everywhere, at least their 
ads are.

 

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I dunno, I have had the same CPA,  tax attorney, estate attorney, and general 
litigation/transaction law firm for many years.  And I know plenty more that 
can do those jobs.  Maybe Utah just has more attorneys than other states...

 

 

 

From: Dev 

Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 10:48 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

 

I think they’re just looking for cushy corp job that pays tons of money. But 
they own you if you work there, high burnout rate. 

 

In general, a lot of the professional class wants to get paid giant sacks of 
money, but they don’t know almost anything, especially the youngish ones. Like 
real estate agents who do little work - aside from telling you where to spend 
your life savings so they can afford the BMW payments they’re behind on.

 

On Nov 4, 2024, at 8:21 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

 

It seems finding an accountant is tougher than finding a lawyer.  They all want 
to be wealth managers.

 

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

 

Our CPA died. Okay, so that’s sad. Much sadder than that they forgot to file 
some paperwork which meant the IRS came back on us. That was less sad, but 
still not altogether positive. Okay that sucked too, but in different ways 
altogether. 

 

We’re trying to find one that hasn’t slipped the surly bonds of this 
terrestrial ball. Many of the rest of the local CPA’s are either retiring, not 
taking clients, or couldn’t run a etch-a-sketch, let alone a calculator. 
Remember etch-a-sketch? Those were cool. It was like an iPad but….





On Nov 4, 2024, at 8:10 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

 

When lawyers retire, usually some bigger firm buys them out and acquires their 
client list.  Life goes on, but prices go up.  Most of the paperwork is done by 
paralegals anyway.

 

Do you have a tax accountant?  Ask what law firm their other clients use.  Or 
maybe ask at the local chamber of commerce, they might know.

 

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

 

All the good lawyers are retiring, can’t find a local one, or one that even 
knows much about our state laws.






On Nov 4, 2024, at 4:46 AM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

 

Lawyer up.

 

On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 8:43 PM Dev mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com> > wrote:

Anyone know of any repositories of example docs to purchase another wisp/fisp? 
Hate to make it up when there’s got to be boilerplate somewhere.


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Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

2024-11-04 Thread Ken Hohhof 
I’ve got a law firm for the company, but everything’s expensive.  They sent me 
nice information for free about the required BOI filing, but they wanted $800 
per entity to actually file for us.  They acquired the 2 person law firm we 
used for 20 years and first thing they determined they were charging us half 
the going rate for routine incorporation paperwork.

 

Injury attorneys aka ambulance chasers seem to be everywhere, at least their 
ads are.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 12:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

 

I dunno, I have had the same CPA,  tax attorney, estate attorney, and general 
litigation/transaction law firm for many years.  And I know plenty more that 
can do those jobs.  Maybe Utah just has more attorneys than other states...

 

 

 

From: Dev 

Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 10:48 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

 

I think they’re just looking for cushy corp job that pays tons of money. But 
they own you if you work there, high burnout rate. 

 

In general, a lot of the professional class wants to get paid giant sacks of 
money, but they don’t know almost anything, especially the youngish ones. Like 
real estate agents who do little work - aside from telling you where to spend 
your life savings so they can afford the BMW payments they’re behind on.





On Nov 4, 2024, at 8:21 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

 

It seems finding an accountant is tougher than finding a lawyer.  They all want 
to be wealth managers.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Dev
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 10:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

 

Our CPA died. Okay, so that’s sad. Much sadder than that they forgot to file 
some paperwork which meant the IRS came back on us. That was less sad, but 
still not altogether positive. Okay that sucked too, but in different ways 
altogether. 

 

We’re trying to find one that hasn’t slipped the surly bonds of this 
terrestrial ball. Many of the rest of the local CPA’s are either retiring, not 
taking clients, or couldn’t run a etch-a-sketch, let alone a calculator. 
Remember etch-a-sketch? Those were cool. It was like an iPad but….






On Nov 4, 2024, at 8:10 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

 

When lawyers retire, usually some bigger firm buys them out and acquires their 
client list.  Life goes on, but prices go up.  Most of the paperwork is done by 
paralegals anyway.

 

Do you have a tax accountant?  Ask what law firm their other clients use.  Or 
maybe ask at the local chamber of commerce, they might know.

 

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Of Dev
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 9:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

 

All the good lawyers are retiring, can’t find a local one, or one that even 
knows much about our state laws.







On Nov 4, 2024, at 4:46 AM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

 

Lawyer up.

 

On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 8:43 PM Dev mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com> > wrote:

Anyone know of any repositories of example docs to purchase another wisp/fisp? 
Hate to make it up when there’s got to be boilerplate somewhere.


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Re: [AFMUG] Cellular console server

2024-11-04 Thread Trey Scarborough 

Forrest,
    I would just develop it to use one of the off the shelf USB or PCIE 
cards so you don't have to worry about carrier certification.



On 11/3/24 2:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Sorry to hijack the thread.

I've been considering developing a few different products to broaden 
my product line so it isn't so WISP focused.   One of the things I've 
looked at is a terminal server device since the existing ones seem so 
rediculous for the price.


BUT..  to meet the price target I'd want to hit,  cellular 
connectivity would be out of the question, due to the excessive cost 
of the testing that the cellular networks require to permit connection 
to their network.  This is probably why the existing products which 
have cellular connectivity cost so much.


I was sort of under the impression that it was pretty typical for out 
of band cellular access to use one of the off the shelf wireless 
routers/hotspots to provide management-only ip connectivity.  That 
way,  you can connect to the management interface on every device.  Is 
this not the case?


On Sun, Nov 3, 2024, 6:55 AM dbernardi > wrote:



Not that device in particular but the number of locations and RS-232
ports per device may drive you in a certain direction.

I've been looking for a new solution as well.  With 100's of
locations I
find you need some sort of dashboard to track and manage devices,
whether home-grown or from a provider.

We originally used Opengear 3G console servers but had to replace
them
as Verizon phased out 3G service so we put together our own RPi
with a
Verizon 4G USB cellular modem and a Startech USB/RS-232 adapter with
appropriate number of ports.  That <$200 solution worked pretty
well but
if you don't pay attention to tunnel management (make sure it
switches
back to on-net link) it's easy to rack up a 5 figure Verizon bill
even
with a M2M type service.

So if you have a lot of devices to manage having visibility into them
and/or cellular is key.  Tunnels become less important if you are
willing to pay for static IPv4 or stable IPv6 addresses from the
carrier
but you still have to monitor them.

I looked at some ~$1500+ devices but at scale it becomes a pretty
significant capital project and I consider tunnel/cellular management
more important anyhow.

I tested the Digi Connect IT-4 with Hologram and it worked well
but they
didn't have Verizon as a carrier at the time (they do now for
additional
fee).  We provide cellular backhaul to many T-Mobile and AT&T
sites so
in the event our PoP/cabinet becomes isolated the concern is that
same
towers we provide backhaul to would be how we would gain out-of-band
access to our equipment said outage.  Point being in our case having
primary access to Verizon is important.

I'm currently looking to test Symetry (Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T)+
Peplink
router.  Peplink has a what looks like a very nice tunnel service
dashboard (InTouch @ ~$40/year/device) but their hardware is lacking
console ports so you still need some type console/RS-232 server if
you
need more than 1 port.  I'm considering leaving the RPi and
Startech in
place as a terminal server (works well) but using the Peplink+Intouch
for cellular access/tunnel management (where we struggled).

There's also consideration of what you are planning to do with RS-232
access.  Are you just doing occasional "show interface" commands when
you lose in-band access, uploading firmware/bootloaders, or
collecting
telemetry.

Anyhow, based on what I looked at so far, I think most of the
integrated
rack mount console servers are pretty similar in features, cost and
reliability but your cellular related requirements may matter
(eSIM or
multiple carrier support for example).  Some also seemed to differ in
tunnel options as well if that's a consideration.

So if the cellular console server meets your needs and cost
(scale) is
not as important, I think you'll find they all pretty much the same.



On 11/1/2024 3:14 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Has anyone used this product?  Does it suck?
>
https://www.wti.com/products/dsm-8dcnm-e-gige-console-server-8-port-
> rj45-dual-ethernet  console-server-8-port-rj45-dual-ethernet>
>
> I got spam from this company recently, and purely by chance I was
> researching a cellular OOB management option so I got the manual
and dug
> into it a bit.  It has exactly the features I'm looking for.   I'm
> wondering if by chance anyone here has already bought from this
company
> and maybe you can save me the trouble of finding out the hard
way that
> they're terrible.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

2024-11-04 Thread Trey Scarborough 
Yeah no boilerplate I have been involved it many such transactions and 
every one has its individual requirements that would need to be covered. 
Best to spend the money to make sure all your bases are covered.


On 11/4/24 6:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Lawyer up.

On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 8:43 PM Dev > wrote:


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another wisp/fisp? Hate to make it up when there’s got to be
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Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

2024-11-04 Thread Ken Hohhof 
It seems finding an accountant is tougher than finding a lawyer.  They all want 
to be wealth managers.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 10:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

 

Our CPA died. Okay, so that’s sad. Much sadder than that they forgot to file 
some paperwork which meant the IRS came back on us. That was less sad, but 
still not altogether positive. Okay that sucked too, but in different ways 
altogether. 

 

We’re trying to find one that hasn’t slipped the surly bonds of this 
terrestrial ball. Many of the rest of the local CPA’s are either retiring, not 
taking clients, or couldn’t run a etch-a-sketch, let alone a calculator. 
Remember etch-a-sketch? Those were cool. It was like an iPad but….





On Nov 4, 2024, at 8:10 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

 

When lawyers retire, usually some bigger firm buys them out and acquires their 
client list.  Life goes on, but prices go up.  Most of the paperwork is done by 
paralegals anyway.

 

Do you have a tax accountant?  Ask what law firm their other clients use.  Or 
maybe ask at the local chamber of commerce, they might know.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Dev
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 9:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to buy a wisp/fisp?

 

All the good lawyers are retiring, can’t find a local one, or one that even 
knows much about our state laws.






On Nov 4, 2024, at 4:46 AM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

 

Lawyer up.

 

On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 8:43 PM Dev mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com> > wrote:

Anyone know of any repositories of example docs to purchase another wisp/fisp? 
Hate to make it up when there’s got to be boilerplate somewhere.


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