Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[chuck]

The browser-tab title goes hereIt worked... with 450. 

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From: Shayne Lebrun 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2024 2:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

Say, remember when we were supposed to get an AP that would talk both FSK and 
450?

 

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It seems to be promising everything, 3, 5, and 6 GHz. ePMP and PMP SMs can talk 
to it. 

 

Sounds like a great story. Let's see when it's on the shelves.



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From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 4:43:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

First I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N 
connector labeled FSK?

 Original Message 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: 10/21/2024 4:20:31 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

Is this the MM series?

 

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14?PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

  https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/ 

   

   

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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

[Ken Hohhof]

We took down our last 2 FSK (PMP100) SMs today. 2.4 GHz. One had a 
"SuperStinger". Still need to take down a couple Cyclone APs at 140 ft.We 
acquired a smartBridges WISP in 2005. Switched to Tranzeo, then Canopy FSK, 
then moved all the 2.4 customers to 3.65 GHz PMP450 now CBRS.The 2 today were 
originally installed in 2007 and 2009.We weren't a WISP OG. Never had a Linksys 
in a Rubbermaid tub, no KarlNet. We did get one Terabeam/YDI backhaul in the 
acquisition. Original Message From: "Shayne Lebrun" Sent: 10/22/2024 
3:06:09 PMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending 
home network




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Not an old Waverider AP?
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any retired radio pair laying around.


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but for old time sake you should put a radio in a tupperware connected to a 
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On Tue, Oct 15, 2024 at 11:12?AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:


It's just low speed data, not security cams or stuff like that? Does your house 
have vinyl or wood siding? And a WiFi mesh system? You might get away
 with a 2.4 outdoor radio linked to the house WiFi, or a mesh unit in a window. 
Or a range extender, but I hate them.

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Sent: 10/15/2024 10:26:36 AM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network




Yeah, too lazy and crosses two parcels to get there.?



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 Extending home network




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The latest and greatest thing is burying a cable.
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Subject: [AFMUG] Extending home network


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Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.?



Extending the LAN.? Probably 750 feet away.?



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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

[Bill Prince]

Now there is a blast from the past; smartBridges. We had a few of those
that we used for short client-client links, Little blue and white metal
boxes about 6" square. Most of them got retired after a year or two when
the boxes sprang a leak and let rainwater in.

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On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 1:35 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> We took down our last 2 FSK (PMP100) SMs today. 2.4 GHz. One had a
> "SuperStinger". Still need to take down a couple Cyclone APs at 140 ft.
>
> We acquired a smartBridges WISP in 2005. Switched to Tranzeo, then Canopy
> FSK, then moved all the 2.4 customers to 3.65 GHz PMP450 now CBRS.
>
> The 2 today were originally installed in 2007 and 2009.
>
> We weren't a WISP OG. Never had a Linksys in a Rubbermaid tub, no KarlNet.
> We did get one Terabeam/YDI backhaul in the acquisition.
>
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Shayne Lebrun"
> Sent: 10/22/2024 3:06:09 PM
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
>
> Not an old Waverider AP?
>
>
>
> *Shayne Lebrun  *
>
> Senior Systems Analyst
>
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>
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>
> Lakeland Networks 
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Sent:* October 15, 2024 6:22 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
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>
>
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>
> *From:* Steve Jones
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 15, 2024 4:07 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
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>
> any retired radio pair laying around.
>
>
>
> but for old time sake you should put a radio in a tupperware connected to
> a pringles cantenna
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2024 at 11:12?AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> It's just low speed data, not security cams or stuff like that? Does your
> house have vinyl or wood siding? And a WiFi mesh system? You might get away
> with a 2.4 outdoor radio linked to the house WiFi, or a mesh unit in a
> window. Or a range extender, but I hate them.
>
>  Original Message 
> From: ch...@go-mtc.com
> Sent: 10/15/2024 10:26:36 AM
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
>
> Yeah, too lazy and crosses two parcels to get there.
>
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>
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>
>
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 15, 2024 7:06 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
>
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>
> The latest and greatest thing is burying a cable.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 8:03 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Extending home network
>
>
>
> Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.
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> Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.
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> Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?
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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

[Ken Hohhof]

If you have to say you’re smart, you probably aren’t.

 

But sometimes dumb is good.  I love how people are now nostalgic about the 
original Motorola RAZR flip phone after deriding it for most of 20 years.  I 
had one.  I think people miss the point.  It was intuitive, it had big buttons, 
and you could operate it with one hand, without taking your eyes off the road.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2024 5:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

 

Now there is a blast from the past; smartBridges. We had a few of those that we 
used for short client-client links, Little blue and white metal boxes about 6" 
square. Most of them got retired after a year or two when the boxes sprang a 
leak and let rainwater in.




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On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 1:35 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

We took down our last 2 FSK (PMP100) SMs today. 2.4 GHz. One had a 
"SuperStinger". Still need to take down a couple Cyclone APs at 140 ft.

We acquired a smartBridges WISP in 2005. Switched to Tranzeo, then Canopy FSK, 
then moved all the 2.4 customers to 3.65 GHz PMP450 now CBRS.

The 2 today were originally installed in 2007 and 2009.

We weren't a WISP OG. Never had a Linksys in a Rubbermaid tub, no KarlNet. We 
did get one Terabeam/YDI backhaul in the acquisition.


 Original Message 
From: "Shayne Lebrun" 
Sent: 10/22/2024 3:06:09 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

Not an old Waverider AP?

 

Shayne Lebrun  

Senior Systems Analyst



Support:   supp...@lakelandnetworks.com  
705-640-0556 | TF: 844-444-4249 

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705-646-1846 x583 |    
https://www.lakelandnetworks.com/faqs/

  Lakeland Networks

 

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Of ch...@go-mtc.com  
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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
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No, only quality stuff for me.  Tranzeo.  

 

 

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2024 4:07 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

 

any retired radio pair laying around. 

 

but for old time sake you should put a radio in a tupperware connected to a 
pringles cantenna

 

On Tue, Oct 15, 2024 at 11:12?AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

It's just low speed data, not security cams or stuff like that? Does your house 
have vinyl or wood siding? And a WiFi mesh system? You might get away with a 
2.4 outdoor radio linked to the house WiFi, or a mesh unit in a window. Or a 
range extender, but I hate them.

 Original Message 
From: ch...@go-mtc.com  
Sent: 10/15/2024 10:26:36 AM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

Yeah, too lazy and crosses two parcels to get there.  

 

 

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com   

Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2024 7:06 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

 

The latest and greatest thing is burying a cable.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@go-mtc.com  
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 8:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] Extending home network

 

Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.  

Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.  

 

Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?

 


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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[Ken Hohhof]

There's a webinar in about a week for those of us who weren't at
WISPAPALOOZA.

 

Matt Mangriotis had talked about an illusive product called 450mv.  If I
were Cambium, I would cancel that and/or redirect the development to become
this Evo thing.  But prune the wish list to get availability into 2026 not
2027.

 

If I were at Cambium and looking at a Tarana brochure, I would have these
bullet points on my product definition:

 

3/5/6 GHz in same SKU

Interference mitigation

R=1 frequency reuse

Magical multipath NLOS capabilities

 

I see them claiming the first 3.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2024 3:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

 

In my memory, the FSK was never functional.  I may be wrong.

Or perhaps you could not talk to FSK and QAM APs mixed.  

 

 

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2024 2:38 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

 

I still have APs with the FSK connector. Never opened one up, but someone
told me there was electronics behind it, not just an N connector.

Great example of a marketing feature that if it's late enough, customers no
longer care, don't bother. Plug the hole and move on.

 Original Message 
From: "Shayne Lebrun" 
Sent: 10/22/2024 3:06:26 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:*
{behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} 

Say, remember when we were supposed to get an AP that would talk both FSK
and 450?

 

Shayne Lebrun  

Senior Systems Analyst



Support: supp...@lakelandnetworks.com  705-640-0556 | TF: 844-444-4249 

Direct: sleb...@lakelandnetworks.com  705-646-1846 x583 |
 https://www.lakelandnetworks.com/faqs/

  Lakeland Networks

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: October 21, 2024 5:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

 

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It seems to be promising everything, 3, 5, and 6 GHz. ePMP and PMP SMs can
talk to it. 

 

Sounds like a great story. Let's see when it's on the shelves.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
 


 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
 

 
  The Brothers WISP
 
 




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From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 4:43:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

First I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N
connector labeled FSK?

 Original Message 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: 10/21/2024 4:20:31 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

Is this the MM series?

 

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14?PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/ 

 

 

No one talking about Cambium's new platform that'll talk to both PMP and
ePMP?



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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[Ken Hohhof]

I still have APs with the FSK connector. Never opened one up, but someone told 
me there was electronics behind it, not just an N connector.Great example of a 
marketing feature that if it's late enough, customers no longer care, don't 
bother. Plug the hole and move on. Original Message From: "Shayne 
Lebrun" Sent: 10/22/2024 3:06:26 PMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo




The browser-tab title goes here




Say, remember when we were supposed to get an AP that would talk both FSK and 
450?
?

Shayne Lebrun ?
Senior Systems Analyst

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supp...@lakelandnetworks.com?
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?https://www.lakelandnetworks.com/faqs/
Lakeland Networks

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Sent: October 21, 2024 5:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo


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It seems to be promising everything, 3, 5, and 6 GHz. ePMP and PMP SMs can talk 
to it.


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Sounds like a great story. Let's see when it's on the shelves.



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Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP









From:
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To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 4:43:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

First I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N 
connector labeled FSK?

 Original Message 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: 10/21/2024 4:20:31 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

Is this the MM series?

?


On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14?PM Mike Hammett  wrote:





https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/


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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

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The browser-tab title goes hereIn my memory, the FSK was never functional.  I 
may be wrong.
Or perhaps you could not talk to FSK and QAM APs mixed.  



From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2024 2:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

I still have APs with the FSK connector. Never opened one up, but someone told 
me there was electronics behind it, not just an N connector.

Great example of a marketing feature that if it's late enough, customers no 
longer care, don't bother. Plug the hole and move on.

 Original Message 
From: "Shayne Lebrun" 
Sent: 10/22/2024 3:06:26 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* 
{behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} 
Say, remember when we were supposed to get an AP that would talk both FSK and 
450?

 

Shayne Lebrun  

Senior Systems Analyst



Support: supp...@lakelandnetworks.com  705-640-0556 | TF: 844-444-4249 

Direct: sleb...@lakelandnetworks.com  705-646-1846 x583 | 
https://www.lakelandnetworks.com/faqs/

Lakeland Networks

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: October 21, 2024 5:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

 

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It seems to be promising everything, 3, 5, and 6 GHz. ePMP and PMP SMs can talk 
to it. 

 

Sounds like a great story. Let's see when it's on the shelves.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 4:43:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

First I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N 
connector labeled FSK?

 Original Message 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: 10/21/2024 4:20:31 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

Is this the MM series?

 

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14?PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

  https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/ 

   

   

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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

[Shayne Lebrun]

Not an old Waverider AP?

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From: Steve Jones
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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

any retired radio pair laying around.

but for old time sake you should put a radio in a tupperware connected to a 
pringles cantenna

On Tue, Oct 15, 2024 at 11:12 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote:
It's just low speed data, not security cams or stuff like that? Does your house 
have vinyl or wood siding? And a WiFi mesh system? You might get away with a 
2.4 outdoor radio linked to the house WiFi, or a mesh unit in a window. Or a 
range extender, but I hate them.

 Original Message 
From: ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: 10/15/2024 10:26:36 AM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network
Yeah, too lazy and crosses two parcels to get there.



From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2024 7:06 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

The latest and greatest thing is burying a cable.

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ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2024 8:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Extending home network

Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.
Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[Shayne Lebrun]

Say, remember when we were supposed to get an AP that would talk both FSK and 
450?

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Sounds like a great story. Let's see when it's on the shelves.


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To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 4:43:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

First I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N 
connector labeled FSK?

 Original Message 
From: "Josh Luthman"
Sent: 10/21/2024 4:20:31 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
Is this the MM series?

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14?PM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/


No one talking about Cambium's new platform that'll talk to both PMP and ePMP?


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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[Ken Hohhof]

Never functional, at least on retail units. I assume they had some in the lab 
for development. It's possible the hardware was there, just not enabled in the 
firmware, but customers couldn't use it for anything. Who knows, maybe there 
were hidden commands, or memory locations you could peek and poke. Original 
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af@af.afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium EvoThe browser-tab title goes here



In my memory, the FSK was never functional.? I may be wrong.
Or perhaps you could not talk to FSK and QAM APs mixed.? 
?
?


?

From: Ken 
Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2024 2:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
?
I 
still have APs with the FSK connector. Never opened one up, but someone told me 
there was electronics behind it, not just an N connector.Great example 
of a marketing feature that if it's late enough, customers no longer care, 
don't 
bother. Plug the hole and move on. Original Message From: 
"Shayne Lebrun" Sent: 10/22/2024 3:06:26 
PMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] Cambium Evo
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{behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} 

Say, remember when we were 
supposed to get an AP that would talk both FSK and 450?
?

Shayne Lebrun? 

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 
Evo
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It seems 
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?

Sounds 
like a great story. Let's see when it's on the shelves.

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HammettIntelligent 
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ExchangeThe Brothers 
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From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@af.afmug.comSent: 
Monday, October 21, 2024 4:43:49 PMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 
EvoFirst I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an 
N connector labeled FSK? Original Message From: "Josh 
Luthman" Sent: 10/21/2024 4:20:31 PMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users 
Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

Is this the MM 
series?
?


On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 
at 5:14?PM Mike Hammett  
wrote:

  
  
  
  https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/ 
  
  ?
  
  ?
  
  No one 
  talking about Cambium's new platform that'll talk to both PMP and 
  ePMP?
  
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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

[Robert]

And who was the brilliant engineer that came up with the power 
connectors for Smartbridge with positive on the outside and neg center!!


On 10/22/24 3:10 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Now there is a blast from the past; smartBridges. We had a few of 
those that we used for short client-client links, Little blue and 
white metal boxes about 6" square. Most of them got retired after a 
year or two when the boxes sprang a leak and let rainwater in.


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On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 1:35 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

We took down our last 2 FSK (PMP100) SMs today. 2.4 GHz. One had a
"SuperStinger". Still need to take down a couple Cyclone APs at
140 ft.

We acquired a smartBridges WISP in 2005. Switched to Tranzeo, then
Canopy FSK, then moved all the 2.4 customers to 3.65 GHz PMP450
now CBRS.

The 2 today were originally installed in 2007 and 2009.

We weren't a WISP OG. Never had a Linksys in a Rubbermaid tub, no
KarlNet. We did get one Terabeam/YDI backhaul in the acquisition.


 Original Message 
From: "Shayne Lebrun"
Sent: 10/22/2024 3:06:09 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

Not an old Waverider AP?

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*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

any retired radio pair laying around.

but for old time sake you should put a radio in a tupperware
connected to a pringles cantenna

On Tue, Oct 15, 2024 at 11:12?AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

It's just low speed data, not security cams or stuff like
that? Does your house have vinyl or wood siding? And a WiFi
mesh system? You might get away with a 2.4 outdoor radio
linked to the house WiFi, or a mesh unit in a window. Or a
range extender, but I hate them.

 Original Message 
From: ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: 10/15/2024 10:26:36 AM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

Yeah, too lazy and crosses two parcels to get there.

*From:*dmmoff...@gmail.com

*Sent:*Tuesday, October 15, 2024 7:06 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

The latest and greatest thing is burying a cable.

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of
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*Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 8:03 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
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Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.

Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.

Anything new or better these days for this type of thing?



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Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

[Robert]

The feature I liked best was the voicemail _on_the_phone...   No dialing 
a cloud to retrieve.   I would be off skiing in the delta and going 
through the voicemails without having to have a connection...


On 10/22/24 3:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


If you have to say you’re smart, you probably aren’t.

But sometimes dumb is good.  I love how people are now nostalgic about 
the original Motorola RAZR flip phone after deriding it for most of 20 
years.  I had one.  I think people miss the point.  It was intuitive, 
it had big buttons, and you could operate it with one hand, without 
taking your eyes off the road.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2024 5:11 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

Now there is a blast from the past; smartBridges. We had a few of 
those that we used for short client-client links, Little blue and 
white metal boxes about 6" square. Most of them got retired after a 
year or two when the boxes sprang a leak and let rainwater in.



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On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 1:35 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

We took down our last 2 FSK (PMP100) SMs today. 2.4 GHz. One had a
"SuperStinger". Still need to take down a couple Cyclone APs at
140 ft.

We acquired a smartBridges WISP in 2005. Switched to Tranzeo, then
Canopy FSK, then moved all the 2.4 customers to 3.65 GHz PMP450
now CBRS.

The 2 today were originally installed in 2007 and 2009.

We weren't a WISP OG. Never had a Linksys in a Rubbermaid tub, no
KarlNet. We did get one Terabeam/YDI backhaul in the acquisition.


 Original Message 
From: "Shayne Lebrun"
Sent: 10/22/2024 3:06:09 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

Not an old Waverider AP?

*Shayne Lebrun *

Senior Systems Analyst

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*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
*Sent:* October 15, 2024 6:22 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
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*From:*Steve Jones

*Sent:*Tuesday, October 15, 2024 4:07 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

any retired radio pair laying around.

but for old time sake you should put a radio in a tupperware
connected to a pringles cantenna

On Tue, Oct 15, 2024 at 11:12?AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

It's just low speed data, not security cams or stuff like
that? Does your house have vinyl or wood siding? And a WiFi
mesh system? You might get away with a 2.4 outdoor radio
linked to the house WiFi, or a mesh unit in a window. Or a
range extender, but I hate them.

 Original Message 
From: ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: 10/15/2024 10:26:36 AM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

Yeah, too lazy and crosses two parcels to get there.

*From:*dmmoff...@gmail.com

*Sent:*Tuesday, October 15, 2024 7:06 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Extending home network

The latest and greatest thing is burying a cable.

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of
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*Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2024 8:03 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
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Need to connect a telemetry board to my house home network.

Extending the LAN.  Probably 750 feet away.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[Josh Luthman]

FSK was working in beta...

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 4:47 PM  wrote:

> In my memory, the FSK was never functional.  I may be wrong.
> Or perhaps you could not talk to FSK and QAM APs mixed.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2024 2:38 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
>
> I still have APs with the FSK connector. Never opened one up, but someone
> told me there was electronics behind it, not just an N connector.
>
> Great example of a marketing feature that if it's late enough, customers
> no longer care, don't bother. Plug the hole and move on.
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Shayne Lebrun"
> Sent: 10/22/2024 3:06:26 PM
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
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>
> Say, remember when we were supposed to get an AP that would talk both FSK
> and 450?
>
>
>
> *Shayne Lebrun  *
>
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> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
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> Sounds like a great story. Let's see when it's on the shelves.
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>
> First I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N
> connector labeled FSK?
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Josh Luthman"
> Sent: 10/21/2024 4:20:31 PM
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
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>
> Is this the MM series?
>
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>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14?PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[Tyson Burris]

Folks, I don’t give two shits what anyone says. The FSK and 430 combo was the 
first promise made and the first to be broken after the Motorola Canopy buyout. 
450 wasn’t even in the works. I still have the emails explaining why it had to 
be abandoned.

This company has a HISTORY of making promises that take years to unfold.

Sergiu was saying they would have a Tarana killer in a year… two years later 
nothing.

I helped Raymond James pump them to 50+ but then the failures and excuses just 
lined up. Took 2 million and ran.

I said Matt needs to be fired years ago and here we are. Nothings going to 
change now.

Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
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On Oct 22, 2024, at 19:56, Josh Luthman  wrote:


FSK was working in beta...

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 4:47 PM mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>> 
wrote:
In my memory, the FSK was never functional.  I may be wrong.
Or perhaps you could not talk to FSK and QAM APs mixed.



From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2024 2:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

I still have APs with the FSK connector. Never opened one up, but someone told 
me there was electronics behind it, not just an N connector.

Great example of a marketing feature that if it's late enough, customers no 
longer care, don't bother. Plug the hole and move on.

 Original Message 
From: "Shayne Lebrun"
Sent: 10/22/2024 3:06:26 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

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450?

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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: October 21, 2024 5:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

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It seems to be promising everything, 3, 5, and 6 GHz. ePMP and PMP SMs can talk 
to it.

Sounds like a great story. Let's see when it's on the shelves.


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From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 4:43:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

First I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N 
connector labeled FSK?

 Original Message 
From: "Josh Luthman"
Sent: 10/21/2024 4:20:31 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
Is this the MM series?

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14?PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/


No one talking about Cambium's new platform that'll talk to both PMP and ePMP?


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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[Bill Prince]

My difficulty with the concept is that the "e" in ePMP mostly meant the
economy achieved by using off the shelf silicon. If the EVO manages to
somehow use off the shelf silicon, then maybe they have a winner?

but only if the PMP part of the equation manages to include features that
are not part of 802.11(x,y,z).

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On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 8:07 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I won't believe anything until I see it.
>
> I feel that cambium is looking at moving to an architecture where the AP
> is a FPGA based SDR that talks to SMs that use off the shelf Silicon.
> Assuming it works,  one can then leverage the cost savings of the cheap
> 802.11 chipsets on the SM side while still having some (most?) of the
> flexibility that comes with a FPGA based AP.
>
> I'm not convinced yet.  I've seen companies struggle with the constraints
> of off the shelf Silicon.  On the other hand,  cambium is doing a decent
> job with epmp.
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024, 6:32 AM  wrote:
>
>> I believe anything is possible if we don’t care what the equipment
>> costs.  Tarana may have demonstrated that there’s still a market for
>> premium products as long as they deliver premium capabilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> That said, I’d assume ePMP and PMP are not talking to the AP on the same
>> radios.   Maybe you get separate antennas for different purposes, but then
>> ideally they’re software defined radios so you can migrate off your old
>> stuff and then use all the MIMO chains for the new stuff.  But I wonder: if
>> you were buying ePMP then can you stomach the cost of this other thing?
>>
>>
>>
>> --this is speculation on top of speculation.  I don’t know jack about
>> this product.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2024 5:56 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, there's something in their website. Sounds like someone in management
>> said we need something to go up against Tarana G2, but with backward
>> compatibility so no ePMP or 450 radios are left behind. Tall order.
>>
>> Described as a future product. Timeline? And do they really have
>> resources for 3 active PMP FWA product lines? Seems like they're stretched
>> thin as it is.
>>
>> On the other hand, Tarana does need some competition
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> From: "Ken Hohhof"
>> Sent: 10/21/2024 4:44:54 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
>>
>> First I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N
>> connector labeled FSK?
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> From: "Josh Luthman"
>> Sent: 10/21/2024 4:20:31 PM
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
>>
>> Is this the MM series?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14?PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No one talking about Cambium's new platform that'll talk to both PMP and
>> ePMP?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
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>>
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>>
>> *The Brothers WISP*
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[Ken Hohhof]

I actually like Matt, probably because I used to be in product development and 
he’s kind of an old school product manager.  It’s hard to know the dynamics 
inside Cambium, but I get the feeling he has been assigned the red headed 
stepchild of a product line to manage, and insufficient resources on the 
engineering side.  Features progress a lot faster on the ePMP side, it seems, 
although maybe it’s an easier platform to develop on due to the use of mass 
market silicon?

 

Certainly there have been some dud products, like the 450d.  And anything with 
speed keys.  And there are holes in the product line, like really the only 3 
GHz SM is a 19 inch dish?  They discontinued the bare SM and the panel, there 
needs to at least be something like a 450b mid gain option.

 

450i/m/b/v is being pitched like all product development is for your legacy 
deployments in their old age, while any greenfield deployment would use 
something else (presumably ePMP).  That seems like a self fulfilling prophecy.  
If the manufacturer doesn’t even seem confident you should use this product to 
expand your network, why should you?

 

I am probably not their target market, but my recommendation would be to come 
out with the best software defined radio system you can, without burdening the 
design or the development time unnecessarily with backward compatibility.  That 
should be the lesson of the FSK option on 430.  And they should be focusing on 
new deployments that will take place over the next couple years with both 
private and BEAD money.  Maybe they have a great justification for a unity 
product that supports legacy ePMP and PMP products, but it seems to me like a 
self-imposed disadvantage compared to a new competitor that doesn’t have the 
same burden and can just do whatever the market wants going forward.

 

Maybe it does make sense for the 450v to support existing 450 and 450b SMs.  
And Matt makes a good argument for doing things like replacing a 450m with a 
450v and then redeploying the 450m somewhere you don’t need 6 GHz.  But I’ll 
have to hear why they want to unify the 450 and ePMP product lines.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Tyson Burris
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2024 7:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

 

Folks, I don’t give two shits what anyone says. The FSK and 430 combo was the 
first promise made and the first to be broken after the Motorola Canopy buyout. 
450 wasn’t even in the works. I still have the emails explaining why it had to 
be abandoned. 

 

This company has a HISTORY of making promises that take years to unfold. 

 

Sergiu was saying they would have a Tarana killer in a year… two years later 
nothing. 

 

I helped Raymond James pump them to 50+ but then the failures and excuses just 
lined up. Took 2 million and ran. 

 

I said Matt needs to be fired years ago and here we are. Nothings going to 
change now. 

 

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Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr.   
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On Oct 22, 2024, at 19:56, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

 

FSK was working in beta...

 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 4:47 PM mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > 
wrote:

In my memory, the FSK was never functional.  I may be wrong.

Or perhaps you could not talk to FSK and QAM APs mixed.  

 

 

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2024 2:38 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

 

I still have APs with the FSK connector. Never opened one up, but someone told 
me there was electronics behind it, not just an N connector.

Great example of a marketing feature that if it's late enough, customers no 
longer care, don't bother. Plug the hole and move on.

 Original Message 
From: "Shayne Lebrun" 
Sent: 10/22/2024 3:06:26 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

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Say, remember when we were supposed to get an AP that would talk both FSK and 
450?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

[Mike Hammett]

My contractor said they've had the power company try to get them to pay for 
poles that were already out of spec, which they aren't allowed to do, so free 
pole upgrades! 




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- Original Message -

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2024 7:30:32 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS? 



It all depends. The wildcard on aerial is the make-ready. Installing aerial 
cable is nearly always cheaper than underground, but the make-ready work can 
easily flip that around. You can’t attach in violation of NESC clearances 
(–well you * can *, but you’re not * allowed *. I don’t want to get into it, 
but having seen it happen enough times I can say there are many circumstances 
where it would benefit you to install in violation now and fix it later (or 
never)). If they just need to trim a drip loop on the transformer to give you 
more clearance then it might be only a few hundred dollars, but a pole 
replacement starts at 10 grand. I have seen six figure quotes to replace one 
pole. I recall a deployment where the elco’s engineering contractor called for 
800 poles out of 1000 to be replaced. Sometimes it’s their own problem and the 
make ready is at the Elco’s or Telco’s expense, but if the pole is otherwise 
perfectly fine and just needs more room for your cable then you’re paying for 
it. Even if it’s someone else’s expense it still costs you time. 

When going into a new market now you have to assess the poles and generalize or 
guess at how much make-ready you’ll have to do. You’re probably not going to 
take measurements on every pole, but you do a visual drive-by inspection and a 
take measurements on a statistical sample. Or you might know HDD is reliably 
$x/foot and therefore easier to make plans around, so maybe you just do that so 
you don’t have so many surprises. If you’re in conditions where you can 
microtrench or vibratory plow then you’ll probably be happy with the price of 
that. You just have to make sure you’re getting an accurate assessment. We had 
an engineer from down south claim he could plow most of our deployment, but he 
was talking about 18” depth. Some of the managers got really excited about the 
cost savings, and I had to burst their bubble by asking the guy about frost 
heave. He responded, “Frost….Heave?” Apparently he’d never heard of it. I’m 
sure people have heard about Google’s microtrenching in Kentucky some years 
back. Apparently they should have used an epoxy backfill to keep the cable in 
its groove, and they used normal flowable fill instead and the frost pushed all 
their cables out of the road. 

Short answer is underground might or might not be cheaper in any given 
situation. For reliability of aerial I’ll take strand & lash any day of the 
week. A tree branch won’t break the strand. If something does get broken it’s 
relatively easy to find it and fix it. Underground may be less likely to get 
hit by something, but you may be excavating whenever you have to fix something. 
With either one you have to make sure you have the resources available to 
maintain it. If you paid a contractor to bury facilities then make sure you 
have the ability to redo what they did so you can make a repair, or that you 
have a contractor you can summon on short order. 

-Adam 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 3:14 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS? 

Maybe it's because I'm in the midwest and we have actual dirt. But other than 
maybe crossing a river, I've only seen the big companies trench or bore their 
backbone fiber, no aerial except some FTTH. 

Is it because they have more money than brains, or do they know something? 

I look at the number of power outages caused by vehicles taking out utility 
poles. Add the windstorms and ice storms. Seems like aerial might be cheaper 
upfront but more expensive over the long term, and less reliable. I mean, maybe 
it's quicker to splice. Or maybe not if you have to wait for the power company 
to say it's safe and if they have to set a new pole. We've never done fiber so 
I don't know. 

 Original Message  
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: 10/21/2024 1:53:50 PM 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS? 

Truth be told, I’ve never actually done ADSS. I’ve been told by a couple of 
different people that it wasn’t worth the trouble. They cited it being more 
expensive and more difficult to work with. 
We can do strand and lash pretty fast. 

At the end of the day I guess it doesn’t matter. By the time you get through 
pole licensing, permits, and make-ready installing the cable is practically 
free by comparison. 

-Adam 




From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Jason McKemie 
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 11:20 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[dmmoffett]

I believe anything is possible if we don't care what the equipment costs.
Tarana may have demonstrated that there's still a market for premium
products as long as they deliver premium capabilities.

 

That said, I'd assume ePMP and PMP are not talking to the AP on the same
radios.   Maybe you get separate antennas for different purposes, but then
ideally they're software defined radios so you can migrate off your old
stuff and then use all the MIMO chains for the new stuff.  But I wonder: if
you were buying ePMP then can you stomach the cost of this other thing?

 

--this is speculation on top of speculation.  I don't know jack about this
product.

 

-Adam

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 5:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

 

OK, there's something in their website. Sounds like someone in management
said we need something to go up against Tarana G2, but with backward
compatibility so no ePMP or 450 radios are left behind. Tall order.

Described as a future product. Timeline? And do they really have resources
for 3 active PMP FWA product lines? Seems like they're stretched thin as it
is.

On the other hand, Tarana does need some competition 

 Original Message 
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
Sent: 10/21/2024 4:44:54 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

First I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N
connector labeled FSK?

 Original Message 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: 10/21/2024 4:20:31 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

Is this the MM series?

 

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14?PM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/

 

 

No one talking about Cambium's new platform that'll talk to both PMP and
ePMP?



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Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

[dmmoffett]

It all depends.  The wildcard on aerial is the make-ready.  Installing
aerial cable is nearly always cheaper than underground, but the make-ready
work can easily flip that around.  You can't attach in violation of NESC
clearances (-well you *can*, but you're not *allowed*.  I don't want to get
into it, but having seen it happen enough times I can say there are many
circumstances where it would benefit you to install in violation now and fix
it later (or never)).  If they just need to trim a drip loop on the
transformer to give you more clearance then it might be only a few hundred
dollars, but a pole replacement starts at 10 grand.  I have seen six figure
quotes to replace one pole.  I recall a deployment where the elco's
engineering contractor called for 800 poles out of 1000 to be replaced.
Sometimes it's their own problem and the make ready is at the Elco's or
Telco's expense, but if the pole is otherwise perfectly fine and just needs
more room for your cable then you're paying for it.  Even if it's someone
else's expense it still costs you time.

 

When going into a new market now you have to assess the poles and generalize
or guess at how much make-ready you'll have to do.  You're probably not
going to take measurements on every pole, but you do a visual drive-by
inspection and a take measurements on a statistical sample.  Or you might
know HDD is reliably $x/foot and therefore easier to make plans around, so
maybe you just do that so you don't have so many surprises.  If you're in
conditions where you can microtrench or vibratory plow then you'll probably
be happy with the price of that.  You just have to make sure you're getting
an accurate assessment.  We had an engineer from down south claim he could
plow most of our deployment, but he was talking about 18" depth.  Some of
the managers got really excited about the cost savings, and I had to burst
their bubble by asking the guy about frost heave.  He responded,
"Frost..Heave?" Apparently he'd never heard of it.  I'm sure people have
heard about Google's microtrenching in Kentucky some years back.  Apparently
they should have used an epoxy backfill to keep the cable in its groove, and
they used normal flowable fill instead and the frost pushed all their cables
out of the road.  

 

Short answer is underground might or might not be cheaper in any given
situation.  For reliability of aerial I'll take strand & lash any day of the
week.  A tree branch won't break the strand.  If something does get broken
it's relatively easy to find it and fix it.  Underground may be less likely
to get hit by something, but you may be excavating whenever you have to fix
something.  With either one you have to make sure you have the resources
available to maintain it.  If you paid a contractor to bury facilities then
make sure you have the ability to redo what they did so you can make a
repair, or that you have a contractor you can summon on short order.

 

-Adam

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 3:14 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

 

Maybe it's because I'm in the midwest and we have actual dirt. But other
than maybe crossing a river, I've only seen the big companies trench or bore
their backbone fiber, no aerial except some FTTH.

Is it because they have more money than brains, or do they know something?

I look at the number of power outages caused by vehicles taking out utility
poles. Add the windstorms and ice storms. Seems like aerial might be cheaper
upfront but more expensive over the long term, and less reliable. I mean,
maybe it's quicker to splice. Or maybe not if you have to wait for the power
company to say it's safe and if they have to set a new pole. We've never
done fiber so I don't know.

 Original Message 
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com  
Sent: 10/21/2024 1:53:50 PM
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

Truth be told, I've never actually done ADSS.  I've been told by a couple of
different people that it wasn't worth the trouble.  They cited it being more
expensive and more difficult to work with. 

We can do strand and lash pretty fast.

 

At the end of the day I guess it doesn't matter.  By the time you get
through pole licensing, permits, and make-ready installing the cable is
practically free by comparison.

 

-Adam

 

 

 

From: AF <  af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On
Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 11:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < 
af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "ADSS"

 

I exclusively use ADSS for my aerial plant. Much easier to put up, and you
don't have to deal with strand or lashing. The option for having it in the
power space can be nice as well. The attachment hardware is similar to what
you use for guy wire dead ends, along with what you show above for
straighter spans where you don't need fiber access, it is pretty speci

Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

[dmmoffett]

Here I’d say they’re pretty good at identifying whether it was a pre-existing 
issue.  Our problem is the Elco field engineers are trigger happy with pole 
replacements in general.  People often attribute it to the Elco wanting to 
upgrade their plant with your money.  I’m more inclined to think it’s two 
things: One, the field engineers should logically err on the side of caution 
because if they said no make ready was required and someone got electrocuted 
then it might come back to them.  Two, the field engineers (around here) are 
usually contractors, and if they find more work then I presume they can bill 
for more hours.  In any case, at $10k per pole you’d be crazy not to do your 
own review and argue about the make-ready.

 

Honestly, I don’t care if it was a pre-existing issue because it costs time 
regardless of who pays for it in the end.

 

-Adam

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2024 8:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

 

My contractor said they've had the power company try to get them to pay for 
poles that were already out of spec, which they aren't allowed to do, so free 
pole upgrades!



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  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




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From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2024 7:30:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

It all depends.  The wildcard on aerial is the make-ready.  Installing aerial 
cable is nearly always cheaper than underground, but the make-ready work can 
easily flip that around.  You can’t attach in violation of NESC clearances 
(–well you *can*, but you’re not *allowed*.  I don’t want to get into it, but 
having seen it happen enough times I can say there are many circumstances where 
it would benefit you to install in violation now and fix it later (or never)).  
If they just need to trim a drip loop on the transformer to give you more 
clearance then it might be only a few hundred dollars, but a pole replacement 
starts at 10 grand.  I have seen six figure quotes to replace one pole.  I 
recall a deployment where the elco’s engineering contractor called for 800 
poles out of 1000 to be replaced.  Sometimes it’s their own problem and the 
make ready is at the Elco’s or Telco’s expense, but if the pole is otherwise 
perfectly fine and just needs more room for your cable then you’re paying for 
it.  Even if it’s someone else’s expense it still costs you time.

 

When going into a new market now you have to assess the poles and generalize or 
guess at how much make-ready you’ll have to do.  You’re probably not going to 
take measurements on every pole, but you do a visual drive-by inspection and a 
take measurements on a statistical sample.  Or you might know HDD is reliably 
$x/foot and therefore easier to make plans around, so maybe you just do that so 
you don’t have so many surprises.  If you’re in conditions where you can 
microtrench or vibratory plow then you’ll probably be happy with the price of 
that.  You just have to make sure you’re getting an accurate assessment.  We 
had an engineer from down south claim he could plow most of our deployment, but 
he was talking about 18” depth.  Some of the managers got really excited about 
the cost savings, and I had to burst their bubble by asking the guy about frost 
heave.  He responded, “Frost….Heave?” Apparently he’d never heard of it.  I’m 
sure people have heard about Google’s microtrenching in Kentucky some years 
back.  Apparently they should have used an epoxy backfill to keep the cable in 
its groove, and they used normal flowable fill instead and the frost pushed all 
their cables out of the road.  

 

Short answer is underground might or might not be cheaper in any given 
situation.  For reliability of aerial I’ll take strand & lash any day of the 
week.  A tree branch won’t break the strand.  If something does get broken it’s 
relatively easy to find it and fix it.  Underground may be less likely to get 
hit by something, but you may be excavating whenever you have to fix something. 
 With either one you have to make sure you have the resources available to 
maintain it.  If you paid a contractor to bury facilities then make sure you 
have the ability to redo what they did so you can make a repair, or that you 
have a contractor you can summon on short order.

 

-Adam

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ke

Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

[Bill Prince]

"actual dirt". Now there's a concept. Around here we have stretches that
are solid rock.
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 5:49 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> My contractor said they've had the power company try to get them to pay
> for poles that were already out of spec, which they aren't allowed to do,
> so free pole upgrades!
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 22, 2024 7:30:32 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?
>
> It all depends.  The wildcard on aerial is the make-ready.  Installing
> aerial cable is nearly always cheaper than underground, but the make-ready
> work can easily flip that around.  You can’t attach in violation of NESC
> clearances (–well you **can**, but you’re not **allowed**.  I don’t want
> to get into it, but having seen it happen enough times I can say there are
> many circumstances where it would benefit you to install in violation now
> and fix it later (or never)).  If they just need to trim a drip loop on the
> transformer to give you more clearance then it might be only a few hundred
> dollars, but a pole replacement starts at 10 grand.  I have seen six figure
> quotes to replace one pole.  I recall a deployment where the elco’s
> engineering contractor called for 800 poles out of 1000 to be replaced.
> Sometimes it’s their own problem and the make ready is at the Elco’s or
> Telco’s expense, but if the pole is otherwise perfectly fine and just needs
> more room for your cable then you’re paying for it.  Even if it’s someone
> else’s expense it still costs you time.
>
>
>
> When going into a new market now you have to assess the poles and
> generalize or guess at how much make-ready you’ll have to do.  You’re
> probably not going to take measurements on every pole, but you do a visual
> drive-by inspection and a take measurements on a statistical sample.  Or
> you might know HDD is reliably $x/foot and therefore easier to make plans
> around, so maybe you just do that so you don’t have so many surprises.  If
> you’re in conditions where you can microtrench or vibratory plow then
> you’ll probably be happy with the price of that.  You just have to make
> sure you’re getting an accurate assessment.  We had an engineer from down
> south claim he could plow most of our deployment, but he was talking about
> 18” depth.  Some of the managers got really excited about the cost savings,
> and I had to burst their bubble by asking the guy about frost heave.  He
> responded, “Frost….Heave?” Apparently he’d never heard of it.  I’m sure
> people have heard about Google’s microtrenching in Kentucky some years
> back.  Apparently they should have used an epoxy backfill to keep the cable
> in its groove, and they used normal flowable fill instead and the frost
> pushed all their cables out of the road.
>
>
>
> Short answer is underground might or might not be cheaper in any given
> situation.  For reliability of aerial I’ll take strand & lash any day of
> the week.  A tree branch won’t break the strand.  If something does get
> broken it’s relatively easy to find it and fix it.  Underground may be less
> likely to get hit by something, but you may be excavating whenever you have
> to fix something.  With either one you have to make sure you have the
> resources available to maintain it.  If you paid a contractor to bury
> facilities then make sure you have the ability to redo what they did so you
> can make a repair, or that you have a contractor you can summon on short
> order.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2024 3:14 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?
>
>
>
> Maybe it's because I'm in the midwest and we have actual dirt. But other
> than maybe crossing a river, I've only seen the big companies trench or
> bore their backbone fiber, no aerial except some FTTH.
>
> Is it because they have more money than brains, or do they know something?
>
> I look at the number of power outages caused by vehicles taking out
> utility poles. Add the windstorms and ice storms. Seems like aerial might
> be cheaper upfront but more expensive over the long term, and less
> reliable. I mean, maybe it's quicker to splice. Or maybe not if you have to
> wait for the power company to say 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I won't believe anything until I see it.

I feel that cambium is looking at moving to an architecture where the AP is
a FPGA based SDR that talks to SMs that use off the shelf Silicon.
Assuming it works,  one can then leverage the cost savings of the cheap
802.11 chipsets on the SM side while still having some (most?) of the
flexibility that comes with a FPGA based AP.

I'm not convinced yet.  I've seen companies struggle with the constraints
of off the shelf Silicon.  On the other hand,  cambium is doing a decent
job with epmp.

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024, 6:32 AM  wrote:

> I believe anything is possible if we don’t care what the equipment costs.
> Tarana may have demonstrated that there’s still a market for premium
> products as long as they deliver premium capabilities.
>
>
>
> That said, I’d assume ePMP and PMP are not talking to the AP on the same
> radios.   Maybe you get separate antennas for different purposes, but then
> ideally they’re software defined radios so you can migrate off your old
> stuff and then use all the MIMO chains for the new stuff.  But I wonder: if
> you were buying ePMP then can you stomach the cost of this other thing?
>
>
>
> --this is speculation on top of speculation.  I don’t know jack about this
> product.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2024 5:56 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
>
>
>
> OK, there's something in their website. Sounds like someone in management
> said we need something to go up against Tarana G2, but with backward
> compatibility so no ePMP or 450 radios are left behind. Tall order.
>
> Described as a future product. Timeline? And do they really have resources
> for 3 active PMP FWA product lines? Seems like they're stretched thin as it
> is.
>
> On the other hand, Tarana does need some competition
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Ken Hohhof"
> Sent: 10/21/2024 4:44:54 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
>
> First I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N
> connector labeled FSK?
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Josh Luthman"
> Sent: 10/21/2024 4:20:31 PM
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
>
> Is this the MM series?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14?PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/
>
>
>
>
>
> No one talking about Cambium's new platform that'll talk to both PMP and
> ePMP?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>
> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>
> *The Brothers WISP*
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

[chuck]

I had one small town owned power company want me to replace every pole for make 
ready.  

The Kentucky microtrench was really nanotrench.  Now-a-days microtrench puts 
the conduit 6”+ below the bottom of the asphalt.  Trenches are typically 12-16” 
deep with flowfill on top.  They don’t heave.  



From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2024 6:30 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

It all depends.  The wildcard on aerial is the make-ready.  Installing aerial 
cable is nearly always cheaper than underground, but the make-ready work can 
easily flip that around.  You can’t attach in violation of NESC clearances 
(–well you *can*, but you’re not *allowed*.  I don’t want to get into it, but 
having seen it happen enough times I can say there are many circumstances where 
it would benefit you to install in violation now and fix it later (or never)).  
If they just need to trim a drip loop on the transformer to give you more 
clearance then it might be only a few hundred dollars, but a pole replacement 
starts at 10 grand.  I have seen six figure quotes to replace one pole.  I 
recall a deployment where the elco’s engineering contractor called for 800 
poles out of 1000 to be replaced.  Sometimes it’s their own problem and the 
make ready is at the Elco’s or Telco’s expense, but if the pole is otherwise 
perfectly fine and just needs more room for your cable then you’re paying for 
it.  Even if it’s someone else’s expense it still costs you time.

 

When going into a new market now you have to assess the poles and generalize or 
guess at how much make-ready you’ll have to do.  You’re probably not going to 
take measurements on every pole, but you do a visual drive-by inspection and a 
take measurements on a statistical sample.  Or you might know HDD is reliably 
$x/foot and therefore easier to make plans around, so maybe you just do that so 
you don’t have so many surprises.  If you’re in conditions where you can 
microtrench or vibratory plow then you’ll probably be happy with the price of 
that.  You just have to make sure you’re getting an accurate assessment.  We 
had an engineer from down south claim he could plow most of our deployment, but 
he was talking about 18” depth.  Some of the managers got really excited about 
the cost savings, and I had to burst their bubble by asking the guy about frost 
heave.  He responded, “Frost….Heave?” Apparently he’d never heard of it.  I’m 
sure people have heard about Google’s microtrenching in Kentucky some years 
back.  Apparently they should have used an epoxy backfill to keep the cable in 
its groove, and they used normal flowable fill instead and the frost pushed all 
their cables out of the road.  

 

Short answer is underground might or might not be cheaper in any given 
situation.  For reliability of aerial I’ll take strand & lash any day of the 
week.  A tree branch won’t break the strand.  If something does get broken it’s 
relatively easy to find it and fix it.  Underground may be less likely to get 
hit by something, but you may be excavating whenever you have to fix something. 
 With either one you have to make sure you have the resources available to 
maintain it.  If you paid a contractor to bury facilities then make sure you 
have the ability to redo what they did so you can make a repair, or that you 
have a contractor you can summon on short order.

 

-Adam

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 3:14 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

 

Maybe it's because I'm in the midwest and we have actual dirt. But other than 
maybe crossing a river, I've only seen the big companies trench or bore their 
backbone fiber, no aerial except some FTTH.

Is it because they have more money than brains, or do they know something?

I look at the number of power outages caused by vehicles taking out utility 
poles. Add the windstorms and ice storms. Seems like aerial might be cheaper 
upfront but more expensive over the long term, and less reliable. I mean, maybe 
it's quicker to splice. Or maybe not if you have to wait for the power company 
to say it's safe and if they have to set a new pole. We've never done fiber so 
I don't know.

 Original Message 
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: 10/21/2024 1:53:50 PM
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

Truth be told, I’ve never actually done ADSS.  I’ve been told by a couple of 
different people that it wasn’t worth the trouble.  They cited it being more 
expensive and more difficult to work with. 

We can do strand and lash pretty fast.

 

At the end of the day I guess it doesn’t matter.  By the time you get through 
pole licensing, permits, and make-ready installing the cable is practically 
free by comparison.

 

-Adam

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 11:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”

 

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