I actually like Matt, probably because I used to be in product development and he’s kind of an old school product manager. It’s hard to know the dynamics inside Cambium, but I get the feeling he has been assigned the red headed stepchild of a product line to manage, and insufficient resources on the engineering side. Features progress a lot faster on the ePMP side, it seems, although maybe it’s an easier platform to develop on due to the use of mass market silicon?
Certainly there have been some dud products, like the 450d. And anything with speed keys. And there are holes in the product line, like really the only 3 GHz SM is a 19 inch dish? They discontinued the bare SM and the panel, there needs to at least be something like a 450b mid gain option. 450i/m/b/v is being pitched like all product development is for your legacy deployments in their old age, while any greenfield deployment would use something else (presumably ePMP). That seems like a self fulfilling prophecy. If the manufacturer doesn’t even seem confident you should use this product to expand your network, why should you? I am probably not their target market, but my recommendation would be to come out with the best software defined radio system you can, without burdening the design or the development time unnecessarily with backward compatibility. That should be the lesson of the FSK option on 430. And they should be focusing on new deployments that will take place over the next couple years with both private and BEAD money. Maybe they have a great justification for a unity product that supports legacy ePMP and PMP products, but it seems to me like a self-imposed disadvantage compared to a new competitor that doesn’t have the same burden and can just do whatever the market wants going forward. Maybe it does make sense for the 450v to support existing 450 and 450b SMs. And Matt makes a good argument for doing things like replacing a 450m with a 450v and then redeploying the 450m somewhere you don’t need 6 GHz. But I’ll have to hear why they want to unify the 450 and ePMP product lines. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Tyson Burris Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2024 7:31 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo Folks, I don’t give two shits what anyone says. The FSK and 430 combo was the first promise made and the first to be broken after the Motorola Canopy buyout. 450 wasn’t even in the works. I still have the emails explaining why it had to be abandoned. This company has a HISTORY of making promises that take years to unfold. Sergiu was saying they would have a Tarana killer in a year… two years later nothing. I helped Raymond James pump them to 50+ but then the failures and excuses just lined up. Took 2 million and ran. I said Matt needs to be fired years ago and here we are. Nothings going to change now. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. <x-apple-data-detectors://1/1> Franklin, IN 46131 <x-apple-data-detectors://1/1> 317-738-0320 <tel:317-738-0320> Daytime # 317-412-1540 <tel:317-412-1540> Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net VIA WIRELESS On Oct 22, 2024, at 19:56, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: FSK was working in beta... On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 4:47 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > wrote: In my memory, the FSK was never functional. I may be wrong. Or perhaps you could not talk to FSK and QAM APs mixed. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2024 2:38 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo I still have APs with the FSK connector. Never opened one up, but someone told me there was electronics behind it, not just an N connector. Great example of a marketing feature that if it's late enough, customers no longer care, don't bother. Plug the hole and move on. ---- Original Message ---- From: "Shayne Lebrun" Sent: 10/22/2024 3:06:26 PM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Say, remember when we were supposed to get an AP that would talk both FSK and 450? Shayne Lebrun Senior Systems Analyst Support: supp...@lakelandnetworks.com <mailto:supp...@lakelandnetworks.com> 705-640-0556 | TF: 844-444-4249 Direct: sleb...@lakelandnetworks.com <mailto:sleb...@lakelandnetworks.com> 705-646-1846 x583 | <http://www.lakelandnetworks.com/> https://www.lakelandnetworks.com/faqs/ <http://www.lakelandnetworks.com/> Lakeland Networks From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: October 21, 2024 5:51 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo ' EXTERNAL Email Disclaimer CAUTION: This email originated from outside the organization. Exercise caution when clicking on links or opening attachments even if you recognize the sender. It seems to be promising everything, 3, 5, and 6 GHz. ePMP and PMP SMs can talk to it. Sounds like a great story. Let's see when it's on the shelves. ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP _____ From: "Ken Hohhof" <khoh...@kwom.com> To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 4:43:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo First I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N connector labeled FSK? ---- Original Message ---- From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: 10/21/2024 4:20:31 PM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo Is this the MM series? 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