Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”

[dmmoffett]

And you mean ADSS with the layer of aramid under the jacket?  You don’t mean 
aerial drop cable?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 11:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”

 

I exclusively use ADSS for my aerial plant. Much easier to put up, and you 
don't have to deal with strand or lashing. The option for having it in the 
power space can be nice as well. The attachment hardware is similar to what you 
use for guy wire dead ends, along with what you show above for straighter spans 
where you don't need fiber access, it is pretty specific to the cable size. The 
hardware is a bit pricey, not too bad though.

On Saturday, October 19, 2024, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> When I search for ADSS cable I get this type:
> 
>
> They attach with hangers that grip a wide area around the cable like this one:
> 
>
> When you say ADSS that’s what I’m picturing.
> That attachment hardware is expensive.  The cable itself is expensive.  I’ve 
> never worked with it but everyone says it’s more difficult.  You use it 
> because you can get the fiber count of an OSP cable without having a strand.  
> Some Elco’s will allow it in the power space.  You need installers qualified 
> to work in the power space, but sometimes people find that preferable to make 
> ready to make room in the comm space.
> So in my mind ADSS is a specific thing with a specific purpose.  I suspect 
> drop cable predates that stuff and people are applying the term to drop cable 
> retroactively because most aerial drop cable meets the literal definition of 
> the words. Usually being the important word there because you can order 
> service drop cable which isn’t all dielectric and self supporting. 
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on 
> behalf of Jan-GAMs mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net> >
> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 4:31:04 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com     >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”
>  
> What does the manufacturer have to say?
>
> On 10/19/24 08:48, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> There’s something driving me nuts lately.
>>
>> In your minds, does the term ADSS apply to *any* non-conducting, self
>> supporting cable?  Or does it apply more specifically to an OSP cable
>> a central strength member and a concentric layer of aramid under the
>> jacket?
>>
>> There’s an entire department at our company which keeps referring to
>> 12F loose tube service drop cable as “ADSS”.  I tried explaining that
>> it’s not the same thing, and they’ve argued that it is.  My position
>> is that if I order an aerial service drop cable without any metallic
>> components then it meets the literal meaning of “All Dielectric Self
>> Supporting”, but that ADSS refers more narrowly to a specific cable
>> which has different attachment hardware and different installation
>> methods.  I’ve further suggested that calling drop cable “ADSS” is
>> going to cause confusion among vendors and contractors if it hasn’t
>> already.
>>
>> Am I the crazy one?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

[Mike Hammett]

Knock on wood, our only problem has been other contractors and only once. 
Frontier had a job in the same area as one of our handholes. The contractor 
pulled our slack loops out, realized it wasn't Frontier's fiber, put it back 
badly, then dropped the lid on the glass, messing up one of the tubes. We 
couldn't ever prove it, though. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Dan P via AF"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Cc: "Dan P"  
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 2:24:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS? 



Funny enough, in some cities underground isn’t any better. In SoCal we have had 
a fiber cut atleast every other month (different vendors, Zayo, Crown Castle, 
little local vendor, etc) and always “Vandalism” which usually means homeless 
pop manholes and cut fiber thinking its copper to recycle. 



From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 1:19 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS? 


In the past few years in the DeKalb area, Everstream built primarily aerial and 
Zayo and Lumen went buried. Everstream's lash is already broken in at least a 
few places and I've seen many storm-damaged trees supported by their cable. 



In our area, plowing and aerial come out to about the same installation price, 
once you factor in make ready, labor of dealing with pole 
applications\engineering, etc. Well, for rural work. In town, you can't 
meaningfully plow. 



We're looking to get our feet wet with some aerial drops, but going to keep our 
main parts buried for the forseeable future. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Ken Hohhof" < khoh...@kwom.com > 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 2:14:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS? 

Maybe it's because I'm in the midwest and we have actual dirt. But other than 
maybe crossing a river, I've only seen the big companies trench or bore their 
backbone fiber, no aerial except some FTTH. 

Is it because they have more money than brains, or do they know something? 

I look at the number of power outages caused by vehicles taking out utility 
poles. Add the windstorms and ice storms. Seems like aerial might be cheaper 
upfront but more expensive over the long term, and less reliable. I mean, maybe 
it's quicker to splice. Or maybe not if you have to wait for the power company 
to say it's safe and if they have to set a new pole. We've never done fiber so 
I don't know. 

 Original Message  
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: 10/21/2024 1:53:50 PM 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS? 

Truth be told, I’ve never actually done ADSS. I’ve been told by a couple of 
different people that it wasn’t worth the trouble. They cited it being more 
expensive and more difficult to work with. 
We can do strand and lash pretty fast. 

At the end of the day I guess it doesn’t matter. By the time you get through 
pole licensing, permits, and make-ready installing the cable is practically 
free by comparison. 

-Adam 




From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Jason McKemie 
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 11:20 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS” 

I exclusively use ADSS for my aerial plant. Much easier to put up, and you 
don't have to deal with strand or lashing. The option for having it in the 
power space can be nice as well. The attachment hardware is similar to what you 
use for guy wire dead ends, along with what you show above for straighter spans 
where you don't need fiber access, it is pretty specific to the cable size. The 
hardware is a bit pricey, not too bad though. 

On Saturday, October 19, 2024, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 
> When I search for ADSS cable I get this type: 
>  
> 
> They attach with hangers that grip a wide area around the cable like this 
> one: 
>  
> 
> When you say ADSS that’s what I’m picturing. 
> That attachment hardware is expensive. The cable itself is expensive. I’ve 
> never worked with it but everyone says it’s more difficult. You use it 
> because you can get the fiber count of an OSP cable without having a strand. 
> Some Elco’s will allow it in the power space. You need installers qualified 
> to work in the power space, but sometimes people find that preferable to make 
> ready to make room in the comm space. 
> So in my mind ADSS is a specific thing with a specific purpose. I suspect 
> drop cable predates that stuff and people are applying the term to drop cable 
> retroactively because most aerial drop cable meets the literal definition of 
> the words. Usually being the important word there because you can order 
> service drop cable which isn’t all dielectric and self supporting. 
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS 
> ___

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[Ken Hohhof]

First I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N 
connector labeled FSK? Original Message From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: 
10/21/2024 4:20:31 PMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] Cambium EvoIs this the MM series?On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14?PM Mike 
Hammett  wrote:https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/No one 
talking about Cambium's new platform that'll talk to both PMP and 
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Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

[Robert Andrews]

We had the same thing happen via ATT.   Pulled up our glass didn't 
carefully replace it then smashed the lid down ruining the feed.   Took 
our provider almost 5 hours to get it back together...   ARRRGGG 
 I wanted to shoot the ATT guy & we had witnesses...   Wasn't worth 
going after them for damages...


On 10/21/24 12:42, Mike Hammett wrote:
Knock on wood, our only problem has been other contractors and only 
once. Frontier had a job in the same area as one of our handholes. The 
contractor pulled our slack loops out, realized it wasn't Frontier's 
fiber, put it back badly, then dropped the lid on the glass, messing up 
one of the tubes. We couldn't ever prove it, though.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Dan P via AF" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Cc: *"Dan P" 
*Sent: *Monday, October 21, 2024 2:24:01 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

Funny enough,  in some cities underground isn’t any better.   In SoCal 
we have had a fiber cut atleast every other month (different vendors,  
Zayo, Crown Castle,  little local vendor, etc)   and always “Vandalism” 
which usually means homeless pop manholes and cut fiber thinking its 
copper to recycle.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2024 1:19 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

In the past few years in the DeKalb area, Everstream built primarily 
aerial and Zayo and Lumen went buried. Everstream's lash is already 
broken in at least a few places and I've seen many storm-damaged trees 
supported by their cable.


In our area, plowing and aerial come out to about the same installation 
price, once you factor in make ready, labor of dealing with pole 
applications\engineering, etc. Well, for rural work. In town, you can't 
meaningfully plow.


We're looking to get our feet wet with some aerial drops, but going to 
keep our main parts buried for the forseeable future.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Ken Hohhof" mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>>
*To: *af@af.afmug.com 
*Sent: *Monday, October 21, 2024 2:14:13 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

Maybe it's because I'm in the midwest and we have actual dirt. But other 
than maybe crossing a river, I've only seen the big companies trench or 
bore their backbone fiber, no aerial except some FTTH.


Is it because they have more money than brains, or do they know something?

I look at the number of power outages caused by vehicles taking out 
utility poles. Add the windstorms and ice storms. Seems like aerial 
might be cheaper upfront but more expensive over the long term, and less 
reliable. I mean, maybe it's quicker to splice. Or maybe not if you have 
to wait for the power company to say it's safe and if they have to set a 
new pole. We've never done fiber so I don't know.


 Original Message 
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: 10/21/2024 1:53:50 PM
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

Truth be told, I’ve never actually done ADSS.  I’ve been told by a 
couple of different people that it wasn’t worth the trouble.  They cited 
it being more expensive and more difficult to work with.


We can do strand and lash pretty fast.

At the end of the day I guess it doesn’t matter.  By the time you get 
through pole licensing, permits, and make-ready installing the cable is 
practically free by comparison.


-Adam

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On 
Behalf Of *Jason McKemie

*Sent:* Saturday, October 19, 2024 11:20 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”

I exclusively use ADSS for my aerial plant. Much eas

Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”

[Jason McKemie]

Correct, main run cable, not drop.

On Monday, October 21, 2024,  wrote:
> And you mean ADSS with the layer of aramid under the jacket?  You don’t
mean aerial drop cable?
>
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 11:20 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”
>
>
>
> I exclusively use ADSS for my aerial plant. Much easier to put up, and
you don't have to deal with strand or lashing. The option for having it in
the power space can be nice as well. The attachment hardware is similar to
what you use for guy wire dead ends, along with what you show above for
straighter spans where you don't need fiber access, it is pretty specific
to the cable size. The hardware is a bit pricey, not too bad though.
>
> On Saturday, October 19, 2024, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> When I search for ADSS cable I get this type:
>>

>>
>> They attach with hangers that grip a wide area around the cable like
this one:
>>

>>
>> When you say ADSS that’s what I’m picturing.
>> That attachment hardware is expensive.  The cable itself is expensive.
I’ve never worked with it but everyone says it’s more difficult.  You use
it because you can get the fiber count of an OSP cable without having a
strand.  Some Elco’s will allow it in the power space.  You need installers
qualified to work in the power space, but sometimes people find that
preferable to make ready to make room in the comm space.
>> So in my mind ADSS is a specific thing with a specific purpose.  I
suspect drop cable predates that stuff and people are applying the term to
drop cable retroactively because most aerial drop cable meets the literal
definition of the words. Usually being the important word there because you
can order service drop cable which isn’t all dielectric and self
supporting.
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS
>> 
>> From: AF  on behalf of Jan-GAMs <
j.vank...@grnacres.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 4:31:04 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”
>>
>> What does the manufacturer have to say?
>>
>> On 10/19/24 08:48, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> There’s something driving me nuts lately.
>>>
>>> In your minds, does the term ADSS apply to *any* non-conducting, self
>>> supporting cable?  Or does it apply more specifically to an OSP cable
>>> a central strength member and a concentric layer of aramid under the
>>> jacket?
>>>
>>> There’s an entire department at our company which keeps referring to
>>> 12F loose tube service drop cable as “ADSS”.  I tried explaining that
>>> it’s not the same thing, and they’ve argued that it is.  My position
>>> is that if I order an aerial service drop cable without any metallic
>>> components then it meets the literal meaning of “All Dielectric Self
>>> Supporting”, but that ADSS refers more narrowly to a specific cable
>>> which has different attachment hardware and different installation
>>> methods.  I’ve further suggested that calling drop cable “ADSS” is
>>> going to cause confusion among vendors and contractors if it hasn’t
>>> already.
>>>
>>> Am I the crazy one?
>>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[Josh Luthman]

Of course.  It's a transition to more modern SMs.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 6:14 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I wonder if Evo was successful that ePMP and PMP would fade away. It makes
> sense if it did and met all of the objectives they set out.
>
>
>
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> 
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> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, October 21, 2024 4:56:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
>
> OK, there's something in their website. Sounds like someone in management
> said we need something to go up against Tarana G2, but with backward
> compatibility so no ePMP or 450 radios are left behind. Tall order.
>
> Described as a future product. Timeline? And do they really have resources
> for 3 active PMP FWA product lines? Seems like they're stretched thin as it
> is.
>
> On the other hand, Tarana does need some competition
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Ken Hohhof"
> Sent: 10/21/2024 4:44:54 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
>
> First I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N
> connector labeled FSK?
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Josh Luthman"
> Sent: 10/21/2024 4:20:31 PM
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
>
> Is this the MM series?
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14?PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/
>>
>>
>> No one talking about Cambium's new platform that'll talk to both PMP and
>> ePMP?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Cellphone Plans

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Most of the MVNOs aren't permitted to use the underlying provider's name in
any sort of marketing/branding way.  If you ask they can tell you,  but
they can't say "we're reselling Verizon service".

I agree their marketing dept seems a bit cutesy if not over the top at
times.   But I am very impressed with their product and in particular their
customer service.  Heck,  their CEO answers certain strategy related posts
on reddit regularly.

But,  when it comes down to it,  for me it was really mostly about the
monthly price.   I don't think I'd stay around if they suddenly raised
their prices (for the service I'm buying) above most of the competition.

On Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 1:10 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> And supposedly Light Speed is T-Mobile.
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/USMobile/comments/1f66a3f/light_speed_tmo_warp_vz_dark_star_att_are_they/
>
>
>
> Honestly, I would be so put off by the BS on their website that I can’t
> see using them.  Like saying you can “teleport” between networks and using
> those cutesy names and making it sound like they built a third network and
> it has 250,000 more miles of coverage.  They seem to be a one trick pony,
> that trick being able to dynamically get a new eSIM to change networks.
>
>
>
> They say “Dark Star” is the same network used by first responders, in
> other words, duh, AT&T.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 20, 2024 1:57 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cellphone Plans
>
>
>
> Forrest,
>
>
>
> Being able to switch carriers is appealing, but US Mobile hides which one
> is which behind the names "Warp", "Dark Star", and "Light Speed".
>
>
>
> I'm guessing Dark Star is ATT, and maybe Verizon is Warp, but which is
> which really?
>
>
>
> Looking at their web site it implies that you can get "Super Carrier"; or
> access to all 3 with the ability to switch at will. Is this real?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
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> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 11:32 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> At PacketFlux:
>
>
>
> For employee cell use, we provide a fixed dollar amount subsidy to every
> employee.   Since cell use around here consists pretty much of slack and a
> couple of similar items,  it's only $25.   If the employee uses a budget
> plan that would cover most if not all of it.   If we had field techs that
> lived on their phone it might be more.
>
>
>
> For executives we are on a prepaid plan that the company pays for.  Used
> to be Verizon prepaid but just moved to US Mobile.  US Mobile is a MVNO
> which has all 3 big networks and you can switch between them.   We don't
> use a lot of data,  so we're on a 10GB shared data plan which is $20 for
> the first phone and $8 for each additional one.   The phones don't all have
> to be on the same network so Debbie and I are on 2 different networks so we
> have a bit higher likelihood one of the phones will be in coverage.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2024, 9:11 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> We've been with Verizon Forever, since Nextel went away, but their
> business Data offerings seem to be not very much.  We're working on
> negotiating a new plan, so we can get some new handsets, and they are
> trying to put us into an 8gb plan for 8 devices.  And of course,
> 'Unlimited' is not really unlimited, they have confirmed that on the
> business plans, it drops to 2G speeds after your data allotment.  We're
> working with our 'Regional Verizon business rep' but getting them to
> actually commit to any pricing in writing is like pulling teeth.
>
> In our area, it seems the 2 choices are Either Verizon or T-Mobile.  I
> rarely run into anyone with an AT&T phone.
>
> Just curious what others are on for their Cellular plans, are you on
> Business plans, or individual plans and reimburse employees?
>
> We have 5 handsets, 2 In vehicle Hotspots, and a mobile hotspot.   So
> it's not a huge account, but 8gb of data doesn't seem like much.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”

[Chris Fabien]

I haven't done any real aerial work by my understanding:  ADSS !=
dielectric drop cable (of any shape).

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 1:46 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Correct, main run cable, not drop.
>
> On Monday, October 21, 2024,  wrote:
> > And you mean ADSS with the layer of aramid under the jacket?  You don’t
> mean aerial drop cable?
> >
> >
> >
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
> > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 11:20 PM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”
> >
> >
> >
> > I exclusively use ADSS for my aerial plant. Much easier to put up, and
> you don't have to deal with strand or lashing. The option for having it in
> the power space can be nice as well. The attachment hardware is similar to
> what you use for guy wire dead ends, along with what you show above for
> straighter spans where you don't need fiber access, it is pretty specific
> to the cable size. The hardware is a bit pricey, not too bad though.
> >
> > On Saturday, October 19, 2024, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> >> When I search for ADSS cable I get this type:
> >>
> 
> >>
> >> They attach with hangers that grip a wide area around the cable like
> this one:
> >>
> 
> >>
> >> When you say ADSS that’s what I’m picturing.
> >> That attachment hardware is expensive.  The cable itself is expensive.
> I’ve never worked with it but everyone says it’s more difficult.  You use
> it because you can get the fiber count of an OSP cable without having a
> strand.  Some Elco’s will allow it in the power space.  You need installers
> qualified to work in the power space, but sometimes people find that
> preferable to make ready to make room in the comm space.
> >> So in my mind ADSS is a specific thing with a specific purpose.  I
> suspect drop cable predates that stuff and people are applying the term to
> drop cable retroactively because most aerial drop cable meets the literal
> definition of the words. Usually being the important word there because you
> can order service drop cable which isn’t all dielectric and self
> supporting.
> >>
> >> Get Outlook for iOS
> >> 
> >> From: AF  on behalf of Jan-GAMs <
> j.vank...@grnacres.net>
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 4:31:04 PM
> >> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”
> >>
> >> What does the manufacturer have to say?
> >>
> >> On 10/19/24 08:48, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >>> There’s something driving me nuts lately.
> >>>
> >>> In your minds, does the term ADSS apply to *any* non-conducting, self
> >>> supporting cable?  Or does it apply more specifically to an OSP cable
> >>> a central strength member and a concentric layer of aramid under the
> >>> jacket?
> >>>
> >>> There’s an entire department at our company which keeps referring to
> >>> 12F loose tube service drop cable as “ADSS”.  I tried explaining that
> >>> it’s not the same thing, and they’ve argued that it is.  My position
> >>> is that if I order an aerial service drop cable without any metallic
> >>> components then it meets the literal meaning of “All Dielectric Self
> >>> Supporting”, but that ADSS refers more narrowly to a specific cable
> >>> which has different attachment hardware and different installation
> >>> methods.  I’ve further suggested that calling drop cable “ADSS” is
> >>> going to cause confusion among vendors and contractors if it hasn’t
> >>> already.
> >>>
> >>> Am I the crazy one?
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”

[dmmoffett]

Truth be told, I’ve never actually done ADSS.  I’ve been told by a couple of 
different people that it wasn’t worth the trouble.  They cited it being more 
expensive and more difficult to work with. 

We can do strand and lash pretty fast.

 

At the end of the day I guess it doesn’t matter.  By the time you get through 
pole licensing, permits, and make-ready installing the cable is practically 
free by comparison.

 

-Adam

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 11:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”

 

I exclusively use ADSS for my aerial plant. Much easier to put up, and you 
don't have to deal with strand or lashing. The option for having it in the 
power space can be nice as well. The attachment hardware is similar to what you 
use for guy wire dead ends, along with what you show above for straighter spans 
where you don't need fiber access, it is pretty specific to the cable size. The 
hardware is a bit pricey, not too bad though.

On Saturday, October 19, 2024, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> When I search for ADSS cable I get this type:
> 
>
> They attach with hangers that grip a wide area around the cable like this one:
> 
>
> When you say ADSS that’s what I’m picturing.
> That attachment hardware is expensive.  The cable itself is expensive.  I’ve 
> never worked with it but everyone says it’s more difficult.  You use it 
> because you can get the fiber count of an OSP cable without having a strand.  
> Some Elco’s will allow it in the power space.  You need installers qualified 
> to work in the power space, but sometimes people find that preferable to make 
> ready to make room in the comm space.
> So in my mind ADSS is a specific thing with a specific purpose.  I suspect 
> drop cable predates that stuff and people are applying the term to drop cable 
> retroactively because most aerial drop cable meets the literal definition of 
> the words. Usually being the important word there because you can order 
> service drop cable which isn’t all dielectric and self supporting. 
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on 
> behalf of Jan-GAMs mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net> >
> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 4:31:04 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com     >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”
>  
> What does the manufacturer have to say?
>
> On 10/19/24 08:48, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> There’s something driving me nuts lately.
>>
>> In your minds, does the term ADSS apply to *any* non-conducting, self
>> supporting cable?  Or does it apply more specifically to an OSP cable
>> a central strength member and a concentric layer of aramid under the
>> jacket?
>>
>> There’s an entire department at our company which keeps referring to
>> 12F loose tube service drop cable as “ADSS”.  I tried explaining that
>> it’s not the same thing, and they’ve argued that it is.  My position
>> is that if I order an aerial service drop cable without any metallic
>> components then it meets the literal meaning of “All Dielectric Self
>> Supporting”, but that ADSS refers more narrowly to a specific cable
>> which has different attachment hardware and different installation
>> methods.  I’ve further suggested that calling drop cable “ADSS” is
>> going to cause confusion among vendors and contractors if it hasn’t
>> already.
>>
>> Am I the crazy one?
>>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

[chuck]

Pole contact fees add up over the years.  



From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 1:14 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

Maybe it's because I'm in the midwest and we have actual dirt. But other than 
maybe crossing a river, I've only seen the big companies trench or bore their 
backbone fiber, no aerial except some FTTH.

Is it because they have more money than brains, or do they know something?

I look at the number of power outages caused by vehicles taking out utility 
poles. Add the windstorms and ice storms. Seems like aerial might be cheaper 
upfront but more expensive over the long term, and less reliable. I mean, maybe 
it's quicker to splice. Or maybe not if you have to wait for the power company 
to say it's safe and if they have to set a new pole. We've never done fiber so 
I don't know.

 Original Message 
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: 10/21/2024 1:53:50 PM
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?


Truth be told, I’ve never actually done ADSS.  I’ve been told by a couple of 
different people that it wasn’t worth the trouble.  They cited it being more 
expensive and more difficult to work with. 

We can do strand and lash pretty fast.

 

At the end of the day I guess it doesn’t matter.  By the time you get through 
pole licensing, permits, and make-ready installing the cable is practically 
free by comparison.

 

-Adam

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 11:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”

 

I exclusively use ADSS for my aerial plant. Much easier to put up, and you 
don't have to deal with strand or lashing. The option for having it in the 
power space can be nice as well. The attachment hardware is similar to what you 
use for guy wire dead ends, along with what you show above for straighter spans 
where you don't need fiber access, it is pretty specific to the cable size. The 
hardware is a bit pricey, not too bad though.

On Saturday, October 19, 2024, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> When I search for ADSS cable I get this type:
> 
>
> They attach with hangers that grip a wide area around the cable like this one:
> 
>
> When you say ADSS that’s what I’m picturing.
> That attachment hardware is expensive.  The cable itself is expensive.  I’ve 
> never worked with it but everyone says it’s more difficult.  You use it 
> because you can get the fiber count of an OSP cable without having a strand.  
> Some Elco’s will allow it in the power space.  You need installers qualified 
> to work in the power space, but sometimes people find that preferable to make 
> ready to make room in the comm space.
> So in my mind ADSS is a specific thing with a specific purpose.  I suspect 
> drop cable predates that stuff and people are applying the term to drop cable 
> retroactively because most aerial drop cable meets the literal definition of 
> the words. Usually being the important word there because you can order 
> service drop cable which isn’t all dielectric and self supporting. 
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: AF  on behalf of Jan-GAMs 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 4:31:04 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”
>  
> What does the manufacturer have to say?
>
> On 10/19/24 08:48, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> There’s something driving me nuts lately.
>>
>> In your minds, does the term ADSS apply to *any* non-conducting, self
>> supporting cable?  Or does it apply more specifically to an OSP cable
>> a central strength member and a concentric layer of aramid under the
>> jacket?
>>
>> There’s an entire department at our company which keeps referring to
>> 12F loose tube service drop cable as “ADSS”.  I tried explaining that
>> it’s not the same thing, and they’ve argued that it is.  My position
>> is that if I order an aerial service drop cable without any metallic
>> components then it meets the literal meaning of “All Dielectric Self
>> Supporting”, but that ADSS refers more narrowly to a specific cable
>> which has different attachment hardware and different installation
>> methods.  I’ve further suggested that calling drop cable “ADSS” is
>> going to cause confusion among vendors and contractors if it hasn’t
>> already.
>>
>> Am I the crazy one?
>>
>
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[AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[Mike Hammett]

https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/ 




No one talking about Cambium's new platform that'll talk to both PMP and ePMP? 




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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[Josh Luthman]

Is this the MM series?

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/
>
>
> No one talking about Cambium's new platform that'll talk to both PMP and
> ePMP?
>
>
>
> -
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Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

[Dan P via AF]

Funny enough,  in some cities underground isn’t any better.   In SoCal we have 
had a fiber cut atleast every other month (different vendors,  Zayo, Crown 
Castle,  little local vendor, etc)   and always “Vandalism”  which usually 
means homeless pop manholes and cut fiber thinking its copper to recycle.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 1:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

In the past few years in the DeKalb area, Everstream built primarily aerial and 
Zayo and Lumen went buried. Everstream's lash is already broken in at least a 
few places and I've seen many storm-damaged trees supported by their cable.

In our area, plowing and aerial come out to about the same installation price, 
once you factor in make ready, labor of dealing with pole 
applications\engineering, etc. Well, for rural work. In town, you can't 
meaningfully plow.

We're looking to get our feet wet with some aerial drops, but going to keep our 
main parts buried for the forseeable future.


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From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>>
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 2:14:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

Maybe it's because I'm in the midwest and we have actual dirt. But other than 
maybe crossing a river, I've only seen the big companies trench or bore their 
backbone fiber, no aerial except some FTTH.

Is it because they have more money than brains, or do they know something?

I look at the number of power outages caused by vehicles taking out utility 
poles. Add the windstorms and ice storms. Seems like aerial might be cheaper 
upfront but more expensive over the long term, and less reliable. I mean, maybe 
it's quicker to splice. Or maybe not if you have to wait for the power company 
to say it's safe and if they have to set a new pole. We've never done fiber so 
I don't know.

 Original Message 
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: 10/21/2024 1:53:50 PM
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?
Truth be told, I’ve never actually done ADSS.  I’ve been told by a couple of 
different people that it wasn’t worth the trouble.  They cited it being more 
expensive and more difficult to work with.
We can do strand and lash pretty fast.

At the end of the day I guess it doesn’t matter.  By the time you get through 
pole licensing, permits, and make-ready installing the cable is practically 
free by comparison.

-Adam



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jason McKemie
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 11:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”

I exclusively use ADSS for my aerial plant. Much easier to put up, and you 
don't have to deal with strand or lashing. The option for having it in the 
power space can be nice as well. The attachment hardware is similar to what you 
use for guy wire dead ends, along with what you show above for straighter spans 
where you don't need fiber access, it is pretty specific to the cable size. The 
hardware is a bit pricey, not too bad though.

On Saturday, October 19, 2024, Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> When I search for ADSS cable I get this type:
> 
>
> They attach with hangers that grip a wide area around the cable like this one:
> 
>
> When you say ADSS that’s what I’m picturing.
> That attachment hardware is expensive.  The cable itself is expensive.  I’ve 
> never worked with it but everyone says it’s more difficult.  You use it 
> because you can get the fiber count of an OSP cable without having a strand.  
> Some Elco’s will allow it in the power space.  You need installers qualified 
> to work in the power space, but sometimes people find that preferable to make 
> ready to make room in the comm space.
> So in my mind ADSS is a specific thing with a specific purpose.  I suspect 
> drop cable predates that stuff and peopl

Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

[Ken Hohhof]

Maybe it's because I'm in the midwest and we have actual dirt. But other than 
maybe crossing a river, I've only seen the big companies trench or bore their 
backbone fiber, no aerial except some FTTH.Is it because they have more money 
than brains, or do they know something?I look at the number of power outages 
caused by vehicles taking out utility poles. Add the windstorms and ice storms. 
Seems like aerial might be cheaper upfront but more expensive over the long 
term, and less reliable. I mean, maybe it's quicker to splice. Or maybe not if 
you have to wait for the power company to say it's safe and if they have to set 
a new pole. We've never done fiber so I don't know. Original Message 
From: dmmoffett@gmail.comSent: 10/21/2024 1:53:50 PMTo: "'AnimalFarm 
Microwave Users Group'" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?Truth be told, I?ve never 
actually done ADSS.? I?ve been told by a couple of different people that it 
wasn?t worth the trouble.? They cited it being more expensive and more 
difficult to work with. We can do strand and lash pretty fast.?At the end of 
the day I guess it doesn?t matter.? By the time you get through pole licensing, 
permits, and make-ready installing the cable is practically free by 
comparison.?-Adam???From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason 
McKemieSent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 11:20 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users 
Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS??I exclusively use ADSS for 
my aerial plant. Much easier to put up, and you don't have to deal with strand 
or lashing. The option for having it in the power space can be nice as well. 
The attachment hardware is similar to what you use for guy wire dead ends, 
along with what you show above for straighter spans where you don't need fiber 
access, it is pretty specific to the cable size. The hardware is a bit pricey, 
not too bad though.On Saturday, October 19, 2024, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:> When I search for ADSS cable I get this type:> 
>> 
They attach with hangers that grip a wide area around the cable like this one:> 
>> 
When you say ADSS that?s what I?m picturing.> That attachment hardware is 
expensive.? The cable itself is expensive.? I?ve never worked with it but 
everyone says it?s more difficult.? You use it because you can get the fiber 
count of an OSP cable without having a strand.? Some Elco?s will allow it in 
the power space.? You need installers qualified to work in the power space, but 
sometimes people find that preferable to make ready to make room in the comm 
space.> So in my mind ADSS is a specific thing with a specific purpose.? I 
suspect drop cable predates that stuff and people are applying the term to drop 
cable retroactively because most aerial drop cable meets the literal definition 
of the words. Usually being the important word there because you can order 
service drop cable which isn?t all dielectric and self supporting.?>> Get 
Outlook for iOS> > From: AF 
 on behalf of Jan-GAMs > Sent: 
Saturday, October 19, 2024 4:31:04 PM> To: af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?> ?> What does the manufacturer have to say?>> On 
10/19/24 08:48, Adam Moffett wrote:>> There?s something driving me nuts 
lately. In your minds, does the term ADSS apply to *any* non-conducting, 
self>> supporting cable?? Or does it apply more specifically to an OSP cable>> 
a central strength member and a concentric layer of aramid under the>> 
jacket? There?s an entire department at our company which keeps referring 
to>> 12F loose tube service drop cable as ?ADSS?.? I tried explaining that>> 
it?s not the same thing, and they?ve argued that it is.? My position>> is that 
if I order an aerial service drop cable without any metallic>> components then 
it meets the literal meaning of ?All Dielectric Self>> Supporting?, but that 
ADSS refers more narrowly to a specific cable>> which has different attachment 
hardware and different installation>> methods.? I?ve further suggested that 
calling drop cable ?ADSS? is>> going to cause confusion among vendors and 
contractors if it hasn?t>> already. Am I the crazy one? --> AF mailing 
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Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?

[Mike Hammett]

In the past few years in the DeKalb area, Everstream built primarily aerial and 
Zayo and Lumen went buried. Everstream's lash is already broken in at least a 
few places and I've seen many storm-damaged trees supported by their cable. 


In our area, plowing and aerial come out to about the same installation price, 
once you factor in make ready, labor of dealing with pole 
applications\engineering, etc. Well, for rural work. In town, you can't 
meaningfully plow. 


We're looking to get our feet wet with some aerial drops, but going to keep our 
main parts buried for the forseeable future. 




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 2:14:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS? 

Maybe it's because I'm in the midwest and we have actual dirt. But other than 
maybe crossing a river, I've only seen the big companies trench or bore their 
backbone fiber, no aerial except some FTTH. 

Is it because they have more money than brains, or do they know something? 

I look at the number of power outages caused by vehicles taking out utility 
poles. Add the windstorms and ice storms. Seems like aerial might be cheaper 
upfront but more expensive over the long term, and less reliable. I mean, maybe 
it's quicker to splice. Or maybe not if you have to wait for the power company 
to say it's safe and if they have to set a new pole. We've never done fiber so 
I don't know. 

 Original Message  
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: 10/21/2024 1:53:50 PM 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS? 



Truth be told, I’ve never actually done ADSS. I’ve been told by a couple of 
different people that it wasn’t worth the trouble. They cited it being more 
expensive and more difficult to work with. 
We can do strand and lash pretty fast. 

At the end of the day I guess it doesn’t matter. By the time you get through 
pole licensing, permits, and make-ready installing the cable is practically 
free by comparison. 

-Adam 




From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie 
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 11:20 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS” 

I exclusively use ADSS for my aerial plant. Much easier to put up, and you 
don't have to deal with strand or lashing. The option for having it in the 
power space can be nice as well. The attachment hardware is similar to what you 
use for guy wire dead ends, along with what you show above for straighter spans 
where you don't need fiber access, it is pretty specific to the cable size. The 
hardware is a bit pricey, not too bad though. 

On Saturday, October 19, 2024, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 
> When I search for ADSS cable I get this type: 
>  
> 
> They attach with hangers that grip a wide area around the cable like this 
> one: 
>  
> 
> When you say ADSS that’s what I’m picturing. 
> That attachment hardware is expensive. The cable itself is expensive. I’ve 
> never worked with it but everyone says it’s more difficult. You use it 
> because you can get the fiber count of an OSP cable without having a strand. 
> Some Elco’s will allow it in the power space. You need installers qualified 
> to work in the power space, but sometimes people find that preferable to make 
> ready to make room in the comm space. 
> So in my mind ADSS is a specific thing with a specific purpose. I suspect 
> drop cable predates that stuff and people are applying the term to drop cable 
> retroactively because most aerial drop cable meets the literal definition of 
> the words. Usually being the important word there because you can order 
> service drop cable which isn’t all dielectric and self supporting. 
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS 
>  
> From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > on behalf of Jan-GAMs < 
> j.vank...@grnacres.net > 
> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 4:31:04 PM 
> To: af@af.afmug.com < af@af.afmug.com > 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS” 
> 
> What does the manufacturer have to say? 
> 
> On 10/19/24 08:48, Adam Moffett wrote: 
>> There’s something driving me nuts lately. 
>> 
>> In your minds, does the term ADSS apply to *any* non-conducting, self 
>> supporting cable? Or does it apply more specifically to an OSP cable 
>> a central strength member and a concentric layer of aramid under the 
>> jacket? 
>> 
>> There’s an entire department at our company which keeps referring to 
>> 12F loose tube service drop cable as “ADSS”. I tried explaining that 
>> it’s not the same thing, and they’ve argued that it is. My position 
>> is that if I order an aerial service drop cable without any metallic 
>> components then it meets the literal meaning of “All Dielectric Self 
>> Supporting”, but that ADSS refers more narrowly to a specific cable 
>> which has different attachment hardware and different installation 
>> methods. I’ve further s

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[Mike Hammett]

It seems to be promising everything, 3, 5, and 6 GHz. ePMP and PMP SMs can talk 
to it. 


Sounds like a great story. Let's see when it's on the shelves. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 4:43:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo 

First I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N 
connector labeled FSK? 

 Original Message  
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: 10/21/2024 4:20:31 PM 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo 


Is this the MM series? 


On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14?PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 





https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/ 




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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[Ken Hohhof]

OK, there's something in their website. Sounds like someone in management said 
we need something to go up against Tarana G2, but with backward compatibility 
so no ePMP or 450 radios are left behind. Tall order.Described as a future 
product. Timeline? And do they really have resources for 3 active PMP FWA 
product lines? Seems like they're stretched thin as it is.On the other hand, 
Tarana does need some competition  Original Message From: "Ken Hohhof" 
Sent: 10/21/2024 4:44:54 PMTo: af@af.afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 
EvoFirst I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N 
connector labeled FSK? Original Message From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: 
10/21/2024 4:20:31 PMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] Cambium EvoIs this the MM series?On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14?PM Mike 
Hammett  wrote:https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/No one 
talking about Cambium's new platform that'll talk to both PMP and 
ePMP?-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet 
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[Tyson Burris]

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On Oct 21, 2024, at 17:44, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

First I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N 
connector labeled FSK?

 Original Message 
From: "Josh Luthman"
Sent: 10/21/2024 4:20:31 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

Is this the MM series?

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14?PM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/


No one talking about Cambium's new platform that'll talk to both PMP and ePMP?



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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo

[Mike Hammett]

I wonder if Evo was successful that ePMP and PMP would fade away. It makes 
sense if it did and met all of the objectives they set out. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 4:56:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo 

OK, there's something in their website. Sounds like someone in management said 
we need something to go up against Tarana G2, but with backward compatibility 
so no ePMP or 450 radios are left behind. Tall order. 

Described as a future product. Timeline? And do they really have resources for 
3 active PMP FWA product lines? Seems like they're stretched thin as it is. 

On the other hand, Tarana does need some competition 

 Original Message  
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
Sent: 10/21/2024 4:44:54 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo 

First I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N 
connector labeled FSK? 

 Original Message  
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: 10/21/2024 4:20:31 PM 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo 


Is this the MM series? 


On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14?PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 





https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/ 




No one talking about Cambium's new platform that'll talk to both PMP and ePMP? 




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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Re: [AFMUG] Cellphone Plans

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Warp is verizon
Lightspeed is Tmobile
Darkstar is AT&T

Any carrier switch is a port so there are things that don't follow you like
voicemail settings.  But you can port at will without all the issues with
getting a new plan and setting up an account, and so on, and it's either
free or $2 depending on your plan.  Takes about 10 minutes to switch.

If you end up using physical Sims there are rules about which Sims can be
reused multiple times.  If you're using esims that isn't an issue.

What I've ended up doing is keeping my primary line/number on a physical
sim, and i have a second esim which is on a different network that I switch
between the other two.   My primary line can do wifi calling over either of
the other two networks.  Note that on my phone both a physical sim and an
esim can be on at the same time.

They are apparently working on moving to being able to just have a phone
roam between all 3 without the porting, but for now it's a bit of a hassle.



On Sun, Oct 20, 2024, 12:57 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Forrest,
>
> Being able to switch carriers is appealing, but US Mobile hides which one
> is which behind the names "Warp", "Dark Star", and "Light Speed".
>
> I'm guessing Dark Star is ATT, and maybe Verizon is Warp, but which is
> which really?
>
> Looking at their web site it implies that you can get "Super Carrier"; or
> access to all 3 with the ability to switch at will. Is this real?
>
> Regards,
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> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 11:32 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> At PacketFlux:
>>
>> For employee cell use, we provide a fixed dollar amount subsidy to every
>> employee.   Since cell use around here consists pretty much of slack and a
>> couple of similar items,  it's only $25.   If the employee uses a budget
>> plan that would cover most if not all of it.   If we had field techs that
>> lived on their phone it might be more.
>>
>> For executives we are on a prepaid plan that the company pays for.  Used
>> to be Verizon prepaid but just moved to US Mobile.  US Mobile is a MVNO
>> which has all 3 big networks and you can switch between them.   We don't
>> use a lot of data,  so we're on a 10GB shared data plan which is $20 for
>> the first phone and $8 for each additional one.   The phones don't all have
>> to be on the same network so Debbie and I are on 2 different networks so we
>> have a bit higher likelihood one of the phones will be in coverage.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2024, 9:11 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> We've been with Verizon Forever, since Nextel went away, but their
>>> business Data offerings seem to be not very much.  We're working on
>>> negotiating a new plan, so we can get some new handsets, and they are
>>> trying to put us into an 8gb plan for 8 devices.  And of course,
>>> 'Unlimited' is not really unlimited, they have confirmed that on the
>>> business plans, it drops to 2G speeds after your data allotment.  We're
>>> working with our 'Regional Verizon business rep' but getting them to
>>> actually commit to any pricing in writing is like pulling teeth.
>>>
>>> In our area, it seems the 2 choices are Either Verizon or T-Mobile.  I
>>> rarely run into anyone with an AT&T phone.
>>>
>>> Just curious what others are on for their Cellular plans, are you on
>>> Business plans, or individual plans and reimburse employees?
>>>
>>> We have 5 handsets, 2 In vehicle Hotspots, and a mobile hotspot.   So
>>> it's not a huge account, but 8gb of data doesn't seem like much.
>>>
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