Knock on wood, our only problem has been other contractors and only
once. Frontier had a job in the same area as one of our handholes. The
contractor pulled our slack loops out, realized it wasn't Frontier's
fiber, put it back badly, then dropped the lid on the glass, messing up
one of the tubes. We couldn't ever prove it, though.
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*From: *"Dan P via AF" <af@af.afmug.com>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
*Cc: *"Dan P" <d...@webnx.com>
*Sent: *Monday, October 21, 2024 2:24:01 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?
Funny enough, in some cities underground isn’t any better. In SoCal
we have had a fiber cut atleast every other month (different vendors,
Zayo, Crown Castle, little local vendor, etc) and always “Vandalism”
which usually means homeless pop manholes and cut fiber thinking its
copper to recycle.
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2024 1:19 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?
In the past few years in the DeKalb area, Everstream built primarily
aerial and Zayo and Lumen went buried. Everstream's lash is already
broken in at least a few places and I've seen many storm-damaged trees
supported by their cable.
In our area, plowing and aerial come out to about the same installation
price, once you factor in make ready, labor of dealing with pole
applications\engineering, etc. Well, for rural work. In town, you can't
meaningfully plow.
We're looking to get our feet wet with some aerial drops, but going to
keep our main parts buried for the forseeable future.
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*From: *"Ken Hohhof" <khoh...@kwom.com <mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>>
*To: *af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Monday, October 21, 2024 2:14:13 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?
Maybe it's because I'm in the midwest and we have actual dirt. But other
than maybe crossing a river, I've only seen the big companies trench or
bore their backbone fiber, no aerial except some FTTH.
Is it because they have more money than brains, or do they know something?
I look at the number of power outages caused by vehicles taking out
utility poles. Add the windstorms and ice storms. Seems like aerial
might be cheaper upfront but more expensive over the long term, and less
reliable. I mean, maybe it's quicker to splice. Or maybe not if you have
to wait for the power company to say it's safe and if they have to set a
new pole. We've never done fiber so I don't know.
---- Original Message ----
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
Sent: 10/21/2024 1:53:50 PM
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS?
Truth be told, I’ve never actually done ADSS. I’ve been told by a
couple of different people that it wasn’t worth the trouble. They cited
it being more expensive and more difficult to work with.
We can do strand and lash pretty fast.
At the end of the day I guess it doesn’t matter. By the time you get
through pole licensing, permits, and make-ready installing the cable is
practically free by comparison.
-Adam
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On
Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Saturday, October 19, 2024 11:20 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”
I exclusively use ADSS for my aerial plant. Much easier to put up, and
you don't have to deal with strand or lashing. The option for having it
in the power space can be nice as well. The attachment hardware is
similar to what you use for guy wire dead ends, along with what you show
above for straighter spans where you don't need fiber access, it is
pretty specific to the cable size. The hardware is a bit pricey, not too
bad though.
On Saturday, October 19, 2024, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
When I search for ADSS cable I get this type:
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They attach with hangers that grip a wide area around the cable like this one:
</mail/u/0/s/?view=att&th=192a7b655b7dd5fd&attid=0.0.2&disp=emb&zw&atsh=1>
When you say ADSS that’s what I’m picturing.
That attachment hardware is expensive. The cable itself is expensive. I’ve never worked with it but everyone says it’s more difficult. You use it because you can get the fiber count of an OSP cable without having a strand. Some Elco’s will allow it in the power space. You need installers qualified to work in the power
space, but sometimes people find that preferable to make ready to make
room in the comm space.
So in my mind ADSS is a specific thing with a specific purpose. I suspect drop cable predates that stuff and people are applying the term to drop cable retroactively because most aerial drop cable meets the literal definition of the words. Usually being the important word there because you can order service drop cable
which isn’t all dielectric and self supporting.
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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of
Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net <mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>>
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 4:31:04 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS”
What does the manufacturer have to say?
On 10/19/24 08:48, Adam Moffett wrote:
There’s something driving me nuts lately.
In your minds, does the term ADSS apply to *any* non-conducting, self
supporting cable? Or does it apply more specifically to an OSP cable
a central strength member and a concentric layer of aramid under the
jacket?
There’s an entire department at our company which keeps referring to
12F loose tube service drop cable as “ADSS”. I tried explaining that
it’s not the same thing, and they’ve argued that it is. My position
is that if I order an aerial service drop cable without any metallic
components then it meets the literal meaning of “All Dielectric Self
Supporting”, but that ADSS refers more narrowly to a specific cable
which has different attachment hardware and different installation
methods. I’ve further suggested that calling drop cable “ADSS” is
going to cause confusion among vendors and contractors if it hasn’t
already.
Am I the crazy one?
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