Pole contact fees add up over the years.
From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 1:14 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS? Maybe it's because I'm in the midwest and we have actual dirt. But other than maybe crossing a river, I've only seen the big companies trench or bore their backbone fiber, no aerial except some FTTH. Is it because they have more money than brains, or do they know something? I look at the number of power outages caused by vehicles taking out utility poles. Add the windstorms and ice storms. Seems like aerial might be cheaper upfront but more expensive over the long term, and less reliable. I mean, maybe it's quicker to splice. Or maybe not if you have to wait for the power company to say it's safe and if they have to set a new pole. We've never done fiber so I don't know. ---- Original Message ---- From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: 10/21/2024 1:53:50 PM To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ?ADSS? Truth be told, I’ve never actually done ADSS. I’ve been told by a couple of different people that it wasn’t worth the trouble. They cited it being more expensive and more difficult to work with. We can do strand and lash pretty fast. At the end of the day I guess it doesn’t matter. By the time you get through pole licensing, permits, and make-ready installing the cable is practically free by comparison. -Adam From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 11:20 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS” I exclusively use ADSS for my aerial plant. Much easier to put up, and you don't have to deal with strand or lashing. The option for having it in the power space can be nice as well. The attachment hardware is similar to what you use for guy wire dead ends, along with what you show above for straighter spans where you don't need fiber access, it is pretty specific to the cable size. The hardware is a bit pricey, not too bad though. On Saturday, October 19, 2024, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > When I search for ADSS cable I get this type: > </mail/u/0/s/?view=att&th=192a7b655b7dd5fd&attid=0.0.1&disp=emb&zw&atsh=1> > > They attach with hangers that grip a wide area around the cable like this one: > </mail/u/0/s/?view=att&th=192a7b655b7dd5fd&attid=0.0.2&disp=emb&zw&atsh=1> > > When you say ADSS that’s what I’m picturing. > That attachment hardware is expensive. The cable itself is expensive. I’ve > never worked with it but everyone says it’s more difficult. You use it > because you can get the fiber count of an OSP cable without having a strand. > Some Elco’s will allow it in the power space. You need installers qualified > to work in the power space, but sometimes people find that preferable to make > ready to make room in the comm space. > So in my mind ADSS is a specific thing with a specific purpose. I suspect > drop cable predates that stuff and people are applying the term to drop cable > retroactively because most aerial drop cable meets the literal definition of > the words. Usually being the important word there because you can order > service drop cable which isn’t all dielectric and self supporting. > > Get Outlook for iOS > ________________________________ > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Jan-GAMs > <j.vank...@grnacres.net> > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2024 4:31:04 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] “ADSS” > > What does the manufacturer have to say? > > On 10/19/24 08:48, Adam Moffett wrote: >> There’s something driving me nuts lately. >> >> In your minds, does the term ADSS apply to *any* non-conducting, self >> supporting cable? Or does it apply more specifically to an OSP cable >> a central strength member and a concentric layer of aramid under the >> jacket? >> >> There’s an entire department at our company which keeps referring to >> 12F loose tube service drop cable as “ADSS”. I tried explaining that >> it’s not the same thing, and they’ve argued that it is. My position >> is that if I order an aerial service drop cable without any metallic >> components then it meets the literal meaning of “All Dielectric Self >> Supporting”, but that ADSS refers more narrowly to a specific cable >> which has different attachment hardware and different installation >> methods. I’ve further suggested that calling drop cable “ADSS” is >> going to cause confusion among vendors and contractors if it hasn’t >> already. >> >> Am I the crazy one? >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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