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Re: [AFMUG] OT - song from 50 years ago

2020-09-08 Thread Chuck McCown

First time I met my wife I thought she said her name was Joni Mitchell.  Close, 
Jenny.  

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> On Sep 7, 2020, at 10:35 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Radio station played a song I haven’t heard for a while – Big Yellow Taxi by 
> Joni Mitchell.  From before most of the folks on this list were born.  Great 
> song.
>  
> It struck me that the last verse where a big yellow taxi takes her old man 
> away is probably not really about a taxi.  So I Googled it, and Toronto 
> police cars at that time were yellow.  (Joni Mitchell is Canadian.)  I had 
> always assumed it meant her boyfriend just up and left.
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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

2020-09-08 Thread David Coudron

Yes,

It is still a thing.   ARIN is still offering that from what I can tell.   
However, we were able to get a /24 without going that route 5-6 months back.  
Looks like you can still do that, but will need to wait 2 months or so.   We 
are just starting the process to get a new /24.   Chuck, let me know if you 
want to copy the steps.   Basically you will need to get registered with ARIN 
first, you will also need an ASN if you don’t have one.   After that, it is 
just filling out the spreadsheets Steve mentioned.

Thanks,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 5:51 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Is the v6 transition pool still a thing?  I'm pretty sure if you sign up for 
IPv6 you can then get a /24 from the the V4 to V6 transition pool.  Sounds like 
a /24 would tide you over for awhile.

-Adam

On 9/7/2020 12:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Not sure what to tell them.  I have my own fiber network.  2 customers.  Just 
getting started.  Hope to have 10 customers by the end of the month and maybe 
25 by the end of the year.

I am using some NOC services of another company.  I am paying them per 
customer.  Kinda a white label thing.  Once I grow  to a certain point it will 
make financial sense to do it all myself.

So, I want them for my own company, but I want them to live in another 
interconnected company.
I don’t have my own ASN yet.

From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 9:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Or for IPv4 you might want this page: 
https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/request/

You didn’t say if you are buying from others or asking ARIN for addresses.   
Either way you have to get it approved by ARIN - so don’t skip that part or it 
will delay being able to purchase IPv4 (if that’s the way you are going).

Mark

On Sep 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I have never done this before personally.  Where do I start?
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

It's really easy if you just submit some data saying you have the customers 
that need those IPs.  The ARIN folk are really cool and smart.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I can wait...
Never personally applied before. Guess I am going to have to learn that
process.
Can I get a block and then assign it to another company for them to use?

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From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 2:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

$0... ARIN is finding them if you can wait a month or two.

Otherwise we just purchased one for $5,000.

On 9/5/20 3:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> What is a c block going for these days?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

2020-09-08 Thread Josh Luthman

Get your ASN first.

Draw up a list of your customers you're bringing online, that might get you
a v4 /24.  First name and address kind of thing.  If you get stuck with an
ARIN response shoot me a message, I've done it a few times and played the
game.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 12:33 PM  wrote:

> Not sure what to tell them.  I have my own fiber network.  2 customers.
> Just getting started.  Hope to have 10 customers by the end of the month
> and maybe 25 by the end of the year.
>
> I am using some NOC services of another company.  I am paying them per
> customer.  Kinda a white label thing.  Once I grow  to a certain point it
> will make financial sense to do it all myself.
>
> So, I want them for my own company, but I want them to live in another
> interconnected company.
> I don’t have my own ASN yet.
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Monday, September 7, 2020 9:15 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>
> Or for IPv4 you might want this page:
> https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/request/
>
> You didn’t say if you are buying from others or asking ARIN for
> addresses.   Either way you have to get it approved by ARIN - so don’t skip
> that part or it will delay being able to purchase IPv4 (if that’s the way
> you are going).
>
> Mark
>
> On Sep 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I have never done this before personally.  Where do I start?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> 
> It's really easy if you just submit some data saying you have the
> customers that need those IPs.  The ARIN folk are really cool and smart.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM  wrote:
>
>> I can wait...
>> Never personally applied before. Guess I am going to have to learn that
>> process.
>> Can I get a block and then assign it to another company for them to use?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 2:29 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>>
>> $0... ARIN is finding them if you can wait a month or two.
>>
>> Otherwise we just purchased one for $5,000.
>>
>> On 9/5/20 3:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > What is a c block going for these days?
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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[AFMUG] OT We has snow

2020-09-08 Thread chuck

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Re: [AFMUG] OT We has snow

2020-09-08 Thread Nate Burke

For some reason my youtube recommendations started showing me weather 
videos of all the snow in Colorado/Wyoming.  My favorite one was in 
Yellowstone, a bison just covered in snow, just lumbering along the side 
of the road without a care in the world.


Isn't Denver supposed to go from 90 on Monday to 6" of snow on Wednesday?

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Went from 98 degrees to 48 degrees over the weekend.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT We has snow

2020-09-08 Thread Carl Peterson

Similar here in SW MN.  More like 88 to 48 here but still a shock.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - song from 50 years ago

2020-09-08 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
I also did some googling, and found this explanation about the
  concept for the song. It doesn't explain the meaning of who her
  old man (or the taxi) was, but I'm thinking it's a metaphor for
  something else altogether.


  

  
  What have the artists said about the song?


  
In an interview with the Los Angeles Times, Joni
  Mitchell said:

  I wrote “Big Yellow Taxi” on my first
trip to Hawaii. I took a taxi to the hotel and when I
woke up the next morning, I threw back the curtains and
saw these beautiful green mountains in the distance.
Then, I looked down and there was a parking lot as far
as the eye could see, and it broke my heart … this
blight on paradise. That’s when I sat down and wrote the
song. When it first came out, it was a regional hit in
Hawaii because people there realized their paradise was
being chewed up. It took 20 years for that song to sink
in to people most other places in the country. That is a
powerful little song because there have been cases in a
couple of cities of parking lots being torn up and
turned into parks because of it.

  

  
  

bp

On 9/7/2020 9:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
Radio station played a song I haven’t heard
  for a while – Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell.  From before
  most of the folks on this list were born.  Great song.
 
It struck me that the last verse where a
  big yellow taxi takes her old man away is probably not really
  about a taxi.  So I Googled it, and Toronto police cars at
  that time were yellow.  (Joni Mitchell is Canadian.)  I had
  always assumed it meant her boyfriend just up and left.
  
  
  

  


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[AFMUG] IP Addresses Values

2020-09-08 Thread Matt Hoppes

So today I looked over my kingdom and realized I'm sitting on $96,000 
worth of IPv4 space.   But, much like the stock market it's only worth 
that if you sell it.


On the other hand, I'm using those IPs to run my business.   At what 
point does it make sense to sell them and just NAT everyone because the 
money you get from the sale is a better business decision than just 
sitting on them?   Maybe keep a /24 or two.



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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

2020-09-08 Thread David Coudron

Also, 

WISPA and ARIN are putting on a Webinar on Thursday on how to request IP 
Addresses.  This link should get you registered:

http://members.wispa.org/ct.php?lid=80639459&mm=42840087489

Not sure if it is specific to our organization or not.

Regards,

David Coudron


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Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 2:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs


https://auctions.ipv4.global/


On 5 Sep 2020, at 15:30, Chuck McCown wrote:

> What is a c block going for these days?
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Re: [AFMUG] IP Addresses Values

2020-09-08 Thread Mark Radabaugh

No, but it’s a consideration for the balance sheet.

The value is a large reason that the community (ARIN) allows transfer sales.   
The intention is to have the price of IPv4 increase to the point it gets people 
to move to IPv6 and sell the IPv4 space.   

Eventually the value of IPv4 addresses will start to go down.   

Speculate on them as you wish.   Sell when you think the market has reached 
it’s peak.

Mark

> On Sep 8, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> So today I looked over my kingdom and realized I'm sitting on $96,000 worth 
> of IPv4 space.   But, much like the stock market it's only worth that if you 
> sell it.
> 
> On the other hand, I'm using those IPs to run my business.   At what point 
> does it make sense to sell them and just NAT everyone because the money you 
> get from the sale is a better business decision than just sitting on them?   
> Maybe keep a /24 or two.
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

2020-09-08 Thread chuck


Thanks

-Original Message- 
From: David Coudron

Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 8:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Also,

WISPA and ARIN are putting on a Webinar on Thursday on how to request IP 
Addresses.  This link should get you registered:


http://members.wispa.org/ct.php?lid=80639459&mm=42840087489

Not sure if it is specific to our organization or not.

Regards,

David Coudron


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Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 2:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs


https://auctions.ipv4.global/


On 5 Sep 2020, at 15:30, Chuck McCown wrote:


What is a c block going for these days?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - song from 50 years ago

2020-09-08 Thread Bill Prince

and then there is this.

*There are various slight alterations of the lyrics from different
versions. Joni Mitchell's original version runs:*

*They took all the trees*
*And put them in a tree museum*
*Then they charged the people**A dollar and a half just to see 'em*

*whereas in Amy Grant's version, the people are charged "twenty-five
bucks", and in Mitchell's own 2007 re-recording, the people are charged "an
arm and a leg". British musician Wally Whyton
 also recorded the song in
1971, changing the price to "one pound fifty" as well as changing "people"
to "punters".*

*Bob Dylan, instead of singing about the "big yellow taxi" that "took away
my old man", sings, "A big yellow bulldozer took away the house and land."
Similarly, in Mitchell's live version of the song released on Miles of
Aisles  in 1974, she sings
about "a big yellow tractor" that "pushed around my house, pushed around my
land". She then repeats the same verse, but with the original lyrics. While
Amy Grant retains the taxi, her final reprise of the line about "paved
paradise" reads "steam rolled paradise".*

*On Counting Crows's 2002 cover version, lead singer Adam Duritz
 sings "took my girl away" in
place of "took away my old man".*

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On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 7:26 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I also did some googling, and found this explanation about the concept for
> the song. It doesn't explain the meaning of who her old man (or the taxi)
> was, but I'm thinking it's a metaphor for something else altogether.
>
>
> What have the artists said about the song?
>
> In an interview with the *Los Angeles Times*
> ,
> Joni Mitchell said:
>
> I wrote “Big Yellow Taxi” on my first trip to Hawaii. I took a taxi to the
> hotel and when I woke up the next morning, I threw back the curtains and
> saw these beautiful green mountains in the distance. Then, I looked down
> and there was a parking lot as far as the eye could see, and it broke my
> heart … this blight on paradise. That’s when I sat down and wrote the song.
> When it first came out, it was a regional hit in Hawaii because people
> there realized their paradise was being chewed up. It took 20 years for
> that song to sink in to people most other places in the country. That is a
> powerful little song because there have been cases in a couple of cities of
> parking lots being torn up and turned into parks because of it.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 9/7/2020 9:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Radio station played a song I haven’t heard for a while – Big Yellow Taxi
> by Joni Mitchell.  From before most of the folks on this list were born.
> Great song.
>
>
>
> It struck me that the last verse where a big yellow taxi takes her old man
> away is probably not really about a taxi.  So I Googled it, and Toronto
> police cars at that time were yellow.  (Joni Mitchell is Canadian.)  I had
> always assumed it meant her boyfriend just up and left.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT We has snow

2020-09-08 Thread Jaime Solorza

We are 100 today ..55 tomorrow

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 8:10 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Similar here in SW MN.  More like 88 to 48 here but still a shock.
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 8:58 AM  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] IP Addresses Values

2020-09-08 Thread Robert

A friend has a /16   Due to issues with ARIN selling it is 
problematic.   So he leases it out.  I was the one who advised him to 
hold onto it when he thought of selling it 15 years ago.  So he gives me 
a commission. ( good friend! ).   The $200/month commission is a nice 
perk.   I hope ipv4 never goes out of style!


On 9/8/20 7:42 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

No, but it’s a consideration for the balance sheet.

The value is a large reason that the community (ARIN) allows transfer sales.   
The intention is to have the price of IPv4 increase to the point it gets people 
to move to IPv6 and sell the IPv4 space.

Eventually the value of IPv4 addresses will start to go down.

Speculate on them as you wish.   Sell when you think the market has reached 
it’s peak.

Mark


On Sep 8, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

So today I looked over my kingdom and realized I'm sitting on $96,000 worth of 
IPv4 space.   But, much like the stock market it's only worth that if you sell 
it.

On the other hand, I'm using those IPs to run my business.   At what point does 
it make sense to sell them and just NAT everyone because the money you get from 
the sale is a better business decision than just sitting on them?   Maybe keep 
a /24 or two.


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Re: [AFMUG] IP Addresses Values

2020-09-08 Thread Matt Hoppes

I don't see how it can -- even though many say it will.  I just don't 
see how it can.  It's a chicken and egg situation.


Who is he leasing it through?  That sounds like an interesting way to 
make recurring revenue.


On 9/8/20 10:52 AM, Robert wrote:
A friend has a /16   Due to issues with ARIN selling it is 
problematic.   So he leases it out.  I was the one who advised him to 
hold onto it when he thought of selling it 15 years ago.  So he gives me 
a commission. ( good friend! ).   The $200/month commission is a nice 
perk.   I hope ipv4 never goes out of style!


On 9/8/20 7:42 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

No, but it’s a consideration for the balance sheet.

The value is a large reason that the community (ARIN) allows transfer 
sales.   The intention is to have the price of IPv4 increase to the 
point it gets people to move to IPv6 and sell the IPv4 space.


Eventually the value of IPv4 addresses will start to go down.

Speculate on them as you wish.   Sell when you think the market has 
reached it’s peak.


Mark

On Sep 8, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:


So today I looked over my kingdom and realized I'm sitting on $96,000 
worth of IPv4 space.   But, much like the stock market it's only 
worth that if you sell it.


On the other hand, I'm using those IPs to run my business.   At what 
point does it make sense to sell them and just NAT everyone because 
the money you get from the sale is a better business decision than 
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Re: [AFMUG] IP Addresses Values

2020-09-08 Thread Ken Hohhof

Only if you intend to implement CGNAT or vigorous adoption of IPv6.
Otherwise, it's like cutting off your arm and eating it.

Oddly, I've never heard that IP space assets count much in valuation when
selling your WISP, they should.  Depending on how the sale is structured,
the buyer probably still has to justify the space to ARIN, but that
shouldn't be difficult if it comes with customers.


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Subject: [AFMUG] IP Addresses Values

So today I looked over my kingdom and realized I'm sitting on $96,000 
worth of IPv4 space.   But, much like the stock market it's only worth 
that if you sell it.

On the other hand, I'm using those IPs to run my business.   At what 
point does it make sense to sell them and just NAT everyone because the
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Re: [AFMUG] IP Addresses Values

2020-09-08 Thread Mathew Howard

I don't see IPv4 going away for a very long time, but I think that we will
eventually get to the point where IP addresses will have little or no
value. Eventually, most stuff is going to be on IPv6, at which point some
form of NAT is going to be fine to handle what's left IPv4 only.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 9:55 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> I don't see how it can -- even though many say it will.  I just don't
> see how it can.  It's a chicken and egg situation.
>
> Who is he leasing it through?  That sounds like an interesting way to
> make recurring revenue.
>
> On 9/8/20 10:52 AM, Robert wrote:
> > A friend has a /16   Due to issues with ARIN selling it is
> > problematic.   So he leases it out.  I was the one who advised him to
> > hold onto it when he thought of selling it 15 years ago.  So he gives me
> > a commission. ( good friend! ).   The $200/month commission is a nice
> > perk.   I hope ipv4 never goes out of style!
> >
> > On 9/8/20 7:42 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> >> No, but it’s a consideration for the balance sheet.
> >>
> >> The value is a large reason that the community (ARIN) allows transfer
> >> sales.   The intention is to have the price of IPv4 increase to the
> >> point it gets people to move to IPv6 and sell the IPv4 space.
> >>
> >> Eventually the value of IPv4 addresses will start to go down.
> >>
> >> Speculate on them as you wish.   Sell when you think the market has
> >> reached it’s peak.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>> On Sep 8, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Matt Hoppes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> So today I looked over my kingdom and realized I'm sitting on $96,000
> >>> worth of IPv4 space.   But, much like the stock market it's only
> >>> worth that if you sell it.
> >>>
> >>> On the other hand, I'm using those IPs to run my business.   At what
> >>> point does it make sense to sell them and just NAT everyone because
> >>> the money you get from the sale is a better business decision than
> >>> just sitting on them?   Maybe keep a /24 or two.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Anyone here ever pondered this while they lay awake in bed?
> >>>
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Re: [AFMUG] IP Addresses Values

2020-09-08 Thread Matt Hoppes

A transfer of assets required no or very minimal justification of the 
IPs.  And yes, absolutely, it should be considered in a sale.


On 9/8/20 11:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Only if you intend to implement CGNAT or vigorous adoption of IPv6.
Otherwise, it's like cutting off your arm and eating it.

Oddly, I've never heard that IP space assets count much in valuation when
selling your WISP, they should.  Depending on how the sale is structured,
the buyer probably still has to justify the space to ARIN, but that
shouldn't be difficult if it comes with customers.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 9:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] IP Addresses Values

So today I looked over my kingdom and realized I'm sitting on $96,000
worth of IPv4 space.   But, much like the stock market it's only worth
that if you sell it.

On the other hand, I'm using those IPs to run my business.   At what
point does it make sense to sell them and just NAT everyone because the
money you get from the sale is a better business decision than just
sitting on them?   Maybe keep a /24 or two.


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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

2020-09-08 Thread TJ Trout

You don't need the as right away just the ipv4 and a loa will get you online

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 7:44 AM  wrote:

> Thanks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Coudron
> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 8:41 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>
> Also,
>
> WISPA and ARIN are putting on a Webinar on Thursday on how to request IP
> Addresses.  This link should get you registered:
>
> http://members.wispa.org/ct.php?lid=80639459&mm=42840087489
>
> Not sure if it is specific to our organization or not.
>
> Regards,
>
> David Coudron
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Meluskey
> Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 2:38 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>
>
> https://auctions.ipv4.global/
>
>
> On 5 Sep 2020, at 15:30, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> > What is a c block going for these days?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

2020-09-08 Thread chuck

Sure if you have the steps written down, I would love a copy.  I just applied 
for an account this morning.

From: David Coudron 
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 7:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Yes,

It is still a thing.   ARIN is still offering that from what I can tell.   
However, we were able to get a /24 without going that route 5-6 months back.  
Looks like you can still do that, but will need to wait 2 months or so.   We 
are just starting the process to get a new /24.   Chuck, let me know if you 
want to copy the steps.   Basically you will need to get registered with ARIN 
first, you will also need an ASN if you don’t have one.   After that, it is 
just filling out the spreadsheets Steve mentioned.

Thanks,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 5:51 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Is the v6 transition pool still a thing?  I'm pretty sure if you sign up for 
IPv6 you can then get a /24 from the the V4 to V6 transition pool.  Sounds like 
a /24 would tide you over for awhile.

-Adam

On 9/7/2020 12:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Not sure what to tell them.  I have my own fiber network.  2 customers.  Just 
getting started.  Hope to have 10 customers by the end of the month and maybe 
25 by the end of the year.

  I am using some NOC services of another company.  I am paying them per 
customer.  Kinda a white label thing.  Once I grow  to a certain point it will 
make financial sense to do it all myself.  

  So, I want them for my own company, but I want them to live in another 
interconnected company.  

  I don’t have my own ASN yet.  

  From: Mark Radabaugh 

  Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 9:15 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

  Or for IPv4 you might want this page: 
https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/request/ 

  You didn’t say if you are buying from others or asking ARIN for addresses.   
Either way you have to get it approved by ARIN - so don’t skip that part or it 
will delay being able to purchase IPv4 (if that’s the way you are going).

  Mark

On Sep 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I have never done this before personally.  Where do I start?

Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  It's really easy if you just submit some data saying you have the 
customers that need those IPs.  The ARIN folk are really cool and smart.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM  wrote:

I can wait...
Never personally applied before. Guess I am going to have to learn that 
process.
Can I get a block and then assign it to another company for them to use?

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 2:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

$0... ARIN is finding them if you can wait a month or two.

Otherwise we just purchased one for $5,000.

On 9/5/20 3:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> What is a c block going for these days?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

2020-09-08 Thread chuck

Funny Arin’s help desk phone number is not working.  

From: David Coudron 
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 7:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Yes,

It is still a thing.   ARIN is still offering that from what I can tell.   
However, we were able to get a /24 without going that route 5-6 months back.  
Looks like you can still do that, but will need to wait 2 months or so.   We 
are just starting the process to get a new /24.   Chuck, let me know if you 
want to copy the steps.   Basically you will need to get registered with ARIN 
first, you will also need an ASN if you don’t have one.   After that, it is 
just filling out the spreadsheets Steve mentioned.

Thanks,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 5:51 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Is the v6 transition pool still a thing?  I'm pretty sure if you sign up for 
IPv6 you can then get a /24 from the the V4 to V6 transition pool.  Sounds like 
a /24 would tide you over for awhile.

-Adam

On 9/7/2020 12:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Not sure what to tell them.  I have my own fiber network.  2 customers.  Just 
getting started.  Hope to have 10 customers by the end of the month and maybe 
25 by the end of the year.

  I am using some NOC services of another company.  I am paying them per 
customer.  Kinda a white label thing.  Once I grow  to a certain point it will 
make financial sense to do it all myself.  

  So, I want them for my own company, but I want them to live in another 
interconnected company.  

  I don’t have my own ASN yet.  

  From: Mark Radabaugh 

  Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 9:15 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

  Or for IPv4 you might want this page: 
https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/request/ 

  You didn’t say if you are buying from others or asking ARIN for addresses.   
Either way you have to get it approved by ARIN - so don’t skip that part or it 
will delay being able to purchase IPv4 (if that’s the way you are going).

  Mark

On Sep 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I have never done this before personally.  Where do I start?

Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  It's really easy if you just submit some data saying you have the 
customers that need those IPs.  The ARIN folk are really cool and smart.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM  wrote:

I can wait...
Never personally applied before. Guess I am going to have to learn that 
process.
Can I get a block and then assign it to another company for them to use?

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 2:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

$0... ARIN is finding them if you can wait a month or two.

Otherwise we just purchased one for $5,000.

On 9/5/20 3:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> What is a c block going for these days?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

2020-09-08 Thread chuck

I haven’t found the template yet.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Theres a template you download. If I could figure it out, youllnhave no issue. 
It's pretty straight forward and you can be as liberal as you want on your 
projected use. 

On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 11:33 AM  wrote:

  Not sure what to tell them.  I have my own fiber network.  2 customers.  Just 
getting started.  Hope to have 10 customers by the end of the month and maybe 
25 by the end of the year.

  I am using some NOC services of another company.  I am paying them per 
customer.  Kinda a white label thing.  Once I grow  to a certain point it will 
make financial sense to do it all myself.  

  So, I want them for my own company, but I want them to live in another 
interconnected company.  
  I don’t have my own ASN yet.  

  From: Mark Radabaugh 
  Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 9:15 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

  Or for IPv4 you might want this page: 
https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/request/ 

  You didn’t say if you are buying from others or asking ARIN for addresses.   
Either way you have to get it approved by ARIN - so don’t skip that part or it 
will delay being able to purchase IPv4 (if that’s the way you are going).

  Mark

On Sep 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I have never done this before personally.  Where do I start?

Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  It's really easy if you just submit some data saying you have the 
customers that need those IPs.  The ARIN folk are really cool and smart.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM  wrote:

I can wait...
Never personally applied before. Guess I am going to have to learn that 
process.
Can I get a block and then assign it to another company for them to use?

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 2:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

$0... ARIN is finding them if you can wait a month or two.

Otherwise we just purchased one for $5,000.

On 9/5/20 3:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> What is a c block going for these days?
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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

2020-09-08 Thread David Coudron

I don’t have a formal list of steps, but basically as a first time applier as 
an ISP, I think you move to the top of the list to get a /24.   I am working 
from memory, but this is how I remember it.   I will also be applying for a new 
block and will validate steps.

  1.  Get your ARIN number (sounds like you have already applied)   This goes 
pretty quickly.  Once that is in place, you can get the request moving.
  2.  Since this is your first ARIN request, use the ISP request, not the end 
user request.   Although either could work,  I think you will get one assigned 
more quickly that way.   The first time I applied, they redirected me to the 
ISP request anyway.
  3.  Follow their questions about usage and request size.   Use their template 
to provide information about what you are already using for IPs and what you 
will use this block for.   You can download the spreadsheet example and fill 
that out, it is a link on one of the form pages once you start applying.
  4.  Submit everything to them.  You will likely need to update information a 
couple of times, but they are pretty good about telling you what needs to be 
fixed.
  5.  Get your ASN going as soon as you can.   That is a separate process and 
fee, but will be needed.

I will try to take screen shots as I am running through it today.  It is a lot 
of information, but it isn’t terrible to get through.

Thanks,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Sure if you have the steps written down, I would love a copy.  I just applied 
for an account this morning.

From: David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 7:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Yes,

It is still a thing.   ARIN is still offering that from what I can tell.   
However, we were able to get a /24 without going that route 5-6 months back.  
Looks like you can still do that, but will need to wait 2 months or so.   We 
are just starting the process to get a new /24.   Chuck, let me know if you 
want to copy the steps.   Basically you will need to get registered with ARIN 
first, you will also need an ASN if you don’t have one.   After that, it is 
just filling out the spreadsheets Steve mentioned.

Thanks,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 5:51 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Is the v6 transition pool still a thing?  I'm pretty sure if you sign up for 
IPv6 you can then get a /24 from the the V4 to V6 transition pool.  Sounds like 
a /24 would tide you over for awhile.

-Adam

On 9/7/2020 12:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Not sure what to tell them.  I have my own fiber network.  2 customers.  Just 
getting started.  Hope to have 10 customers by the end of the month and maybe 
25 by the end of the year.

I am using some NOC services of another company.  I am paying them per 
customer.  Kinda a white label thing.  Once I grow  to a certain point it will 
make financial sense to do it all myself.

So, I want them for my own company, but I want them to live in another 
interconnected company.
I don’t have my own ASN yet.

From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 9:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Or for IPv4 you might want this page: 
https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/request/

You didn’t say if you are buying from others or asking ARIN for addresses.   
Either way you have to get it approved by ARIN - so don’t skip that part or it 
will delay being able to purchase IPv4 (if that’s the way you are going).

Mark

On Sep 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I have never done this before personally.  Where do I start?
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

It's really easy if you just submit some data saying you have the customers 
that need those IPs.  The ARIN folk are really cool and smart.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I can wait...
Never personally applied before. Guess I am going to have to learn that
process.
Can I get a block and then assign it to another company for them to use?

-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 2:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

$0... ARIN is finding them if you can wait a month or two.

Otherwise we just purchased one for $5,000.

On 9/5/20 3:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> What is a c block going for these days?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

2020-09-08 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 9/8/20 9:02 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I haven’t found the template yet.



They don't do those anymore for the most part; you fill out stuff online.

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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

2020-09-08 Thread chuck

Thanks, working on it now.  

From: David Coudron 
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

I don’t have a formal list of steps, but basically as a first time applier as 
an ISP, I think you move to the top of the list to get a /24.   I am working 
from memory, but this is how I remember it.   I will also be applying for a new 
block and will validate steps.

  1.. Get your ARIN number (sounds like you have already applied)   This goes 
pretty quickly.  Once that is in place, you can get the request moving.  
  2.. Since this is your first ARIN request, use the ISP request, not the end 
user request.   Although either could work,  I think you will get one assigned 
more quickly that way.   The first time I applied, they redirected me to the 
ISP request anyway. 
  3.. Follow their questions about usage and request size.   Use their template 
to provide information about what you are already using for IPs and what you 
will use this block for.   You can download the spreadsheet example and fill 
that out, it is a link on one of the form pages once you start applying. 
  4.. Submit everything to them.  You will likely need to update information a 
couple of times, but they are pretty good about telling you what needs to be 
fixed. 
  5.. Get your ASN going as soon as you can.   That is a separate process and 
fee, but will be needed.

I will try to take screen shots as I am running through it today.  It is a lot 
of information, but it isn’t terrible to get through.

Thanks,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Sure if you have the steps written down, I would love a copy.  I just applied 
for an account this morning.

From: David Coudron 

Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 7:02 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Yes,

It is still a thing.   ARIN is still offering that from what I can tell.   
However, we were able to get a /24 without going that route 5-6 months back.  
Looks like you can still do that, but will need to wait 2 months or so.   We 
are just starting the process to get a new /24.   Chuck, let me know if you 
want to copy the steps.   Basically you will need to get registered with ARIN 
first, you will also need an ASN if you don’t have one.   After that, it is 
just filling out the spreadsheets Steve mentioned.

Thanks,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 5:51 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Is the v6 transition pool still a thing?  I'm pretty sure if you sign up for 
IPv6 you can then get a /24 from the the V4 to V6 transition pool.  Sounds like 
a /24 would tide you over for awhile.

-Adam

On 9/7/2020 12:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Not sure what to tell them.  I have my own fiber network.  2 customers.  Just 
getting started.  Hope to have 10 customers by the end of the month and maybe 
25 by the end of the year.

  I am using some NOC services of another company.  I am paying them per 
customer.  Kinda a white label thing.  Once I grow  to a certain point it will 
make financial sense to do it all myself.  

  So, I want them for my own company, but I want them to live in another 
interconnected company.  

  I don’t have my own ASN yet.  

  From: Mark Radabaugh 

  Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 9:15 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

  Or for IPv4 you might want this page: 
https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/request/ 

  You didn’t say if you are buying from others or asking ARIN for addresses.   
Either way you have to get it approved by ARIN - so don’t skip that part or it 
will delay being able to purchase IPv4 (if that’s the way you are going).

  Mark

On Sep 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I have never done this before personally.  Where do I start?

Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  It's really easy if you just submit some data saying you have the 
customers that need those IPs.  The ARIN folk are really cool and smart.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM  wrote:

I can wait...
Never personally applied before. Guess I am going to have to learn that 
process.
Can I get a block and then assign it to another company for them to use?

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 2:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

$0... ARIN is finding them if

Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

2020-09-08 Thread TJ Trout

you don't need the as# right now unless you plan on doing bgp right away,
otherwise just apply for the ipv4 and use a LOA template from google to
authorize your transit provider to advertise your routes.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 9:46 AM  wrote:

> Thanks, working on it now.
>
> *From:* David Coudron
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:09 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>
>
> I don’t have a formal list of steps, but basically as a first time applier
> as an ISP, I think you move to the top of the list to get a /24.   I am
> working from memory, but this is how I remember it.   I will also be
> applying for a new block and will validate steps.
>
>
>
>1. Get your ARIN number (sounds like you have already applied)   This
>goes pretty quickly.  Once that is in place, you can get the request
>moving.
>2. Since this is your first ARIN request, use the ISP request, not the
>end user request.   Although either could work,  I think you will get one
>assigned more quickly that way.   The first time I applied, they redirected
>me to the ISP request anyway.
>3. Follow their questions about usage and request size.   Use their
>template to provide information about what you are already using for IPs
>and what you will use this block for.   You can download the spreadsheet
>example and fill that out, it is a link on one of the form pages once you
>start applying.
>4. Submit everything to them.  You will likely need to update
>information a couple of times, but they are pretty good about telling you
>what needs to be fixed.
>5. Get your ASN going as soon as you can.   That is a separate process
>and fee, but will be needed.
>
>
>
> I will try to take screen shots as I am running through it today.  It is a
> lot of information, but it isn’t terrible to get through.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:59 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>
>
>
> Sure if you have the steps written down, I would love a copy.  I just
> applied for an account this morning.
>
>
>
> *From:* David Coudron
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 8, 2020 7:02 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>
>
>
> Yes,
>
>
>
> It is still a thing.   ARIN is still offering that from what I can tell.
> However, we were able to get a /24 without going that route 5-6 months
> back.  Looks like you can still do that, but will need to wait 2 months or
> so.   We are just starting the process to get a new /24.   Chuck, let me
> know if you want to copy the steps.   Basically you will need to get
> registered with ARIN first, you will also need an ASN if you don’t have
> one.   After that, it is just filling out the spreadsheets Steve mentioned.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, September 7, 2020 5:51 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>
>
>
> Is the v6 transition pool still a thing?  I'm pretty sure if you sign up
> for IPv6 you can then get a /24 from the the V4 to V6 transition pool.
> Sounds like a /24 would tide you over for awhile.
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
> On 9/7/2020 12:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Not sure what to tell them.  I have my own fiber network.  2 customers.
> Just getting started.  Hope to have 10 customers by the end of the month
> and maybe 25 by the end of the year.
>
>
>
> I am using some NOC services of another company.  I am paying them per
> customer.  Kinda a white label thing.  Once I grow  to a certain point it
> will make financial sense to do it all myself.
>
>
>
> So, I want them for my own company, but I want them to live in another
> interconnected company.
>
> I don’t have my own ASN yet.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 7, 2020 9:15 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>
>
>
> Or for IPv4 you might want this page:
> https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/request/
>
>
>
> You didn’t say if you are buying from others or asking ARIN for
> addresses.   Either way you have to get it approved by ARIN - so don’t skip
> that part or it will delay being able to purchase IPv4 (if that’s the way
> you are going).
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>
>
> I have never done this before personally.  Where do I start?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> It's really easy if you just submit some data saying you have the
> customers that need those IPs.  The ARIN folk are really cool and smart.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM  wrote:
>
> I can wait...
> Never personally applied before. Guess I am g

Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

2020-09-08 Thread chuck

OK, waiting on them to give me an organization number.  It says it will take a 
day or three.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

you don't need the as# right now unless you plan on doing bgp right away, 
otherwise just apply for the ipv4 and use a LOA template from google to 
authorize your transit provider to advertise your routes.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 9:46 AM  wrote:

  Thanks, working on it now.  

  From: David Coudron 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:09 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

  I don’t have a formal list of steps, but basically as a first time applier as 
an ISP, I think you move to the top of the list to get a /24.   I am working 
from memory, but this is how I remember it.   I will also be applying for a new 
block and will validate steps.

1.. Get your ARIN number (sounds like you have already applied)   This goes 
pretty quickly.  Once that is in place, you can get the request moving.  
2.. Since this is your first ARIN request, use the ISP request, not the end 
user request.   Although either could work,  I think you will get one assigned 
more quickly that way.   The first time I applied, they redirected me to the 
ISP request anyway. 
3.. Follow their questions about usage and request size.   Use their 
template to provide information about what you are already using for IPs and 
what you will use this block for.   You can download the spreadsheet example 
and fill that out, it is a link on one of the form pages once you start 
applying. 
4.. Submit everything to them.  You will likely need to update information 
a couple of times, but they are pretty good about telling you what needs to be 
fixed. 
5.. Get your ASN going as soon as you can.   That is a separate process and 
fee, but will be needed.

  I will try to take screen shots as I am running through it today.  It is a 
lot of information, but it isn’t terrible to get through.

  Thanks,

  David Coudron

  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:59 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

  Sure if you have the steps written down, I would love a copy.  I just applied 
for an account this morning.

  From: David Coudron 

  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 7:02 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

  Yes,

  It is still a thing.   ARIN is still offering that from what I can tell.   
However, we were able to get a /24 without going that route 5-6 months back.  
Looks like you can still do that, but will need to wait 2 months or so.   We 
are just starting the process to get a new /24.   Chuck, let me know if you 
want to copy the steps.   Basically you will need to get registered with ARIN 
first, you will also need an ASN if you don’t have one.   After that, it is 
just filling out the spreadsheets Steve mentioned.

  Thanks,

  David Coudron

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 5:51 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

  Is the v6 transition pool still a thing?  I'm pretty sure if you sign up for 
IPv6 you can then get a /24 from the the V4 to V6 transition pool.  Sounds like 
a /24 would tide you over for awhile.

  -Adam

  On 9/7/2020 12:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Not sure what to tell them.  I have my own fiber network.  2 customers.  
Just getting started.  Hope to have 10 customers by the end of the month and 
maybe 25 by the end of the year.

I am using some NOC services of another company.  I am paying them per 
customer.  Kinda a white label thing.  Once I grow  to a certain point it will 
make financial sense to do it all myself.  

So, I want them for my own company, but I want them to live in another 
interconnected company.  

I don’t have my own ASN yet.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 

Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 9:15 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Or for IPv4 you might want this page: 
https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/request/ 

You didn’t say if you are buying from others or asking ARIN for addresses.  
 Either way you have to get it approved by ARIN - so don’t skip that part or it 
will delay being able to purchase IPv4 (if that’s the way you are going).

Mark

  On Sep 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I have never done this before personally.  Where do I start?

  Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

It's really easy if you just submit some data saying you have the 
customers that need those IPs.  The ARIN folk are really cool and smart.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337

Re: [AFMUG] OT We has snow

2020-09-08 Thread Josh Luthman

60-80 here.  I'm happy being here :)

[image: image.png]

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 10:51 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We are 100 today ..55 tomorrow
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 8:10 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Similar here in SW MN.  More like 88 to 48 here but still a shock.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 8:58 AM  wrote:
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Caldo de res , arroz y chile verde

2020-09-08 Thread Jay Weekley


Is there a recipe for the chili sauce?

Jaime Solorza wrote:

Nope..same

On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 9:13 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


Is mexican muenster different than deli muenster and is it smoked?
I like it with a dry smoked rind, I'm not sure if you're supposed
to eat the rind though

On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 4:26 PM Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Marty cooked this up todaythe green chile sauce was
hot...the meat was super tender... yum yum...added some
muenster cheese, flour tortillas and bubbly... I have gained 6
lbs since eye operation
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[AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

2020-09-08 Thread Bill Prince




A birdie told me that today is Jay Fuller's 50th birthday. The birdie is 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

2020-09-08 Thread Mike Hammett

50?! Holy cow, that's old! 








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Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today? 


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Re: [AFMUG] IP Addresses Values

2020-09-08 Thread Steve Jones

its like the combustion engine, yes, its going out of style, just not
likely at a pace we will see in our lifetimes.

Just wait til the Seatle type never worked a day but dress like a
lumberjack with a perfectly trimmed beard hipsters find out that IP4 is
"retro". you can host them a geocities flat page on a retro IP4 for crazy
cash, tell them your IP4 is carbon neutral and fully vegan friendly,
theyll go nuts. just dont ever tell them its in a binary address space or
theyll burn your office down.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 9:55 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> I don't see how it can -- even though many say it will.  I just don't
> see how it can.  It's a chicken and egg situation.
>
> Who is he leasing it through?  That sounds like an interesting way to
> make recurring revenue.
>
> On 9/8/20 10:52 AM, Robert wrote:
> > A friend has a /16   Due to issues with ARIN selling it is
> > problematic.   So he leases it out.  I was the one who advised him to
> > hold onto it when he thought of selling it 15 years ago.  So he gives me
> > a commission. ( good friend! ).   The $200/month commission is a nice
> > perk.   I hope ipv4 never goes out of style!
> >
> > On 9/8/20 7:42 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> >> No, but it’s a consideration for the balance sheet.
> >>
> >> The value is a large reason that the community (ARIN) allows transfer
> >> sales.   The intention is to have the price of IPv4 increase to the
> >> point it gets people to move to IPv6 and sell the IPv4 space.
> >>
> >> Eventually the value of IPv4 addresses will start to go down.
> >>
> >> Speculate on them as you wish.   Sell when you think the market has
> >> reached it’s peak.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>> On Sep 8, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Matt Hoppes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> So today I looked over my kingdom and realized I'm sitting on $96,000
> >>> worth of IPv4 space.   But, much like the stock market it's only
> >>> worth that if you sell it.
> >>>
> >>> On the other hand, I'm using those IPs to run my business.   At what
> >>> point does it make sense to sell them and just NAT everyone because
> >>> the money you get from the sale is a better business decision than
> >>> just sitting on them?   Maybe keep a /24 or two.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Anyone here ever pondered this while they lay awake in bed?
> >>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

2020-09-08 Thread Jay Weekley


I think it's higher than that.

Mike Hammett wrote:

50?! Holy cow, that's old!




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

2020-09-08 Thread Jaime Solorza

Bite your tongue..my socks are older

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 12:19 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> 50?! Holy cow, that's old!
>
>
>
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> Yes, I know many, many of you are much older. I jab equally.  :-)
>
>
>
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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> 
>
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> *To: *"AFMUG" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:16:09 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?
>
>
> A birdie told me that today is Jay Fuller's 50th birthday. The birdie is
> just a birdie, so don't blame me if I'm wrong.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] IP Addresses Values

2020-09-08 Thread Adam Moffett

I'm aware of a company that had a /19.  They sold a /20 for I think $40k 
and kept the other half, and they still had more IP's than customers.


I think we're at or near a tipping point with IPv6.  At some point in 
the past having IPv6 was like being the only guy with a fax machine.  At 
this point something like 2/3's of the traffic hitting certain major 
edge providers is IPv6.  There are, of course, still places you can only 
go with IPv4, but you can hit the heavy hitters like Google, Facebook, 
and Netflix on v6.


If I was starting new today, I'd do dual stack.  I'd get my /32 IPv6 
block and then a IPv4 /24 from the transition pool. Everybody would get 
a private CGNAT address and a public /56 prefix delegation. A /56 seems 
absurdly huge for a home, but that's literally the recommended 
practice.  If someone had to have their own public v4 address my policy 
would be that they have to pay extra for that.


if I was starting fresh today that is.  If you already are handing 
out public v4 addresses and now you take them away then you'll have to 
deal with a few restless natives who can't login to their NVR anymore or 
whose XBox has "strict NAT" all of a sudden. You can tell them you sold 
the IP addresses because you always wanted a new Corvette, or you can 
give them a spiel about depletion and scarce resources.  I'm not sure 
either story will really go over well.


-Adam


On 9/8/2020 10:37 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So today I looked over my kingdom and realized I'm sitting on $96,000 
worth of IPv4 space.   But, much like the stock market it's only worth 
that if you sell it.


On the other hand, I'm using those IPs to run my business.   At what 
point does it make sense to sell them and just NAT everyone because 
the money you get from the sale is a better business decision than 
just sitting on them?   Maybe keep a /24 or two.



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Re: [AFMUG] IP Addresses Values

2020-09-08 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 9/8/20 12:58 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
if I was starting fresh today that is.  If you already are handing 
out public v4 addresses and now you take them away then you'll have to 
deal with a few restless natives who can't login to their NVR anymore or 
whose XBox has "strict NAT" all of a sudden. You can tell them you sold 
the IP addresses because you always wanted a new Corvette, or you can 
give them a spiel about depletion and scarce resources.  I'm not sure 
either story will really go over well.



Xbox Live does support IPv6. PSN still does not.

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[AFMUG] OT: Cobra Kai

2020-09-08 Thread Adam Moffett

I got through season 1 of Cobra Kai on Neflix over the long weekend.  I 
expected a corny reboot of an 80's franchise...but it's quite a bit 
smarter than that.


Likes:

Reviewing the Karate Kid story through the eyes of the antagonist.  
Danny Larusso was certainly not blameless in that story.  The other 
guy's perspective is worth considering.


The role reversals.  Johnny Lawrence was the typical teen movie 
antagonist in Karate Kid.  A selfish, affluent jock.  Danny Laruso was 
the poor, nice guy, underdog.  The series starts with Danny as the 
afluent, selfish, jerk and Johnny as a poor//underdog. Except really I 
think we see that everyone is capable of being both the nice guy and the 
jerk.  Episode by episode each of them plays protagonist and antagonist 
in turn.


Maybe a spoiler, but the "Cobra Kai" style of no nonsense, no quitting, 
no being a pussy, no being afraid is shown to elevate some nerdy kids 
into being able to stand up for themselves.  By the end of the season 
some of them have turned it up to 11 and gone all the way to being 
bullies themselves.  I like these perspective shifts.  Sometimes we're 
each the bully or the bullied, and I think that's worth being reminded of.



Dislikes:

I'm not a sociologist or anything, but I question whether the mean drill 
sergeant karate teacher can really turn nice kids into assholes and the 
nice guy teacher can turn a delinquent into a nice guy in the course of 
a few months.


Some melodrama.  Like over the top soap-opera situations.  That stuff 
makes me cringe and shake my head as I ponder the odds of it ever happening.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

2020-09-08 Thread Ken Hohhof

Maybe 50 hexadecimal?

 

It’s my birthday too, but 70.  I guess 50 hex would be 80 decimal.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 2:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

 

Bite your tongue..my socks are older

 

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50?! Holy cow, that's old!

 

 

 

 

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Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?


A birdie told me that today is Jay Fuller's 50th birthday. The birdie is 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

2020-09-08 Thread chuck

Happy birthday Ken.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 3:54 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

Maybe 50 hexadecimal?

It’s my birthday too, but 70.  I guess 50 hex would be 80 decimal.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 2:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

Bite your tongue..my socks are older

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 12:19 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

  50?! Holy cow, that's old!

  ;-)

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  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

  A birdie told me that today is Jay Fuller's 50th birthday. The birdie is 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

2020-09-08 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
Even better. That would make you 46. I should start tracking my
  age in hex.


bp

On 9/8/2020 2:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Maybe 50 hexadecimal?
 
It’s my birthday too, but 70.  I guess 50
  hex would be 80 decimal.
 

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Jaime
Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 2:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

 

  Bite your tongue..my socks are older

 

  
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 12:19 PM Mike
  Hammett  wrote:
  
  

  
50?!
Holy cow, that's old!

   


   


   


   


  ;-)


   


   


   


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  I know many, many of you are much older. I jab
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PM
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Cobra Kai

2020-09-08 Thread Steve Jones

I watched episode one out of nostalgia, figured it would be a lame reboot,
we ended up watching both seasons, my daughter even put down her phone.
Turns out danielsan is a real dickhead. I do take issue with black belts
being obtained in a couple months, Thats kind of insulting to people who
worked their way up. I never progressed past the white. I dont think I got
past stance. i like the mix of footage from the original movie,
didnt realize it had gotten up to 4 movies plus the one with will smiths
kid,

Seeing things through others eyes i think is mor understandable to older
generations. I always thought I was bullied in high school, but as i got
older and ran into people who were on my peripheral in HS they tell me they
were afraid of me because i bullied people. looking back I see how it could
be taken that way, my bullying was with words and little violence, but it
appears that lasts a whole lot longer.

Will be really cool if this bursts a resurgence in interest in martial
arts, not UFC. I dont think karen will let her kid be kicked though.

I had a baseball coach that turned nice kids into assholes so i could see a
contact sport coach/sensei having more impact.

Cant wait for season 3

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 3:52 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I got through season 1 of Cobra Kai on Neflix over the long weekend.  I
> expected a corny reboot of an 80's franchise...but it's quite a bit smarter
> than that.
>
> Likes:
>
> Reviewing the Karate Kid story through the eyes of the antagonist.  Danny
> Larusso was certainly not blameless in that story.  The other guy's
> perspective is worth considering.
>
> The role reversals.  Johnny Lawrence was the typical teen movie antagonist
> in Karate Kid.  A selfish, affluent jock.  Danny Laruso was the poor, nice
> guy, underdog.  The series starts with Danny as the afluent, selfish, jerk
> and Johnny as a poor underdog.  Except really I think we see that
> everyone is capable of being both the nice guy and the jerk.  Episode by
> episode each of them plays protagonist and antagonist in turn.
>
> Maybe a spoiler, but the "Cobra Kai" style of no nonsense, no quitting, no
> being a pussy, no being afraid is shown to elevate some nerdy kids into
> being able to stand up for themselves.  By the end of the season some of
> them have turned it up to 11 and gone all the way to being bullies
> themselves.  I like these perspective shifts.  Sometimes we're each the
> bully or the bullied, and I think that's worth being reminded of.
>
>
> Dislikes:
>
> I'm not a sociologist or anything, but I question whether the mean drill
> sergeant karate teacher can really turn nice kids into assholes and the
> nice guy teacher can turn a delinquent into a nice guy in the course of a
> few months.
>
> Some melodrama.  Like over the top soap-opera situations.  That stuff
> makes me cringe and shake my head as I ponder the odds of it ever happening.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

2020-09-08 Thread Ken Hohhof

Do they even teach binary and hexadecimal in school anymore?

 

I was a “New Math” child (SMSG), but new math is now derided as elitist and 
useless unless you intend to be a math professor.  Which I don’t really 
understand.  Computers and software use non decimal bases all the time.  We 
talk about set theory and Venn diagrams all the time.  You’d think it would be 
more relevant today than it was during the Space Race.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 5:05 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

 

Even better. That would make you 46. I should start tracking my age in hex.

 

bp


On 9/8/2020 2:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Maybe 50 hexadecimal?

 

It’s my birthday too, but 70.  I guess 50 hex would be 80 decimal.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 2:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

 

Bite your tongue..my socks are older

 

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 12:19 PM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

50?! Holy cow, that's old!

 

 

 

 

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Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

2020-09-08 Thread chuck

Well, I know know that new math they started when I was in the 3rd grade was 
function theory.  They dropped quickly.  I kinda wished that I had learned that 
properly before college.  This was in the 1960s.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 4:40 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

Do they even teach binary and hexadecimal in school anymore?

I was a “New Math” child (SMSG), but new math is now derided as elitist and 
useless unless you intend to be a math professor.  Which I don’t really 
understand.  Computers and software use non decimal bases all the time.  We 
talk about set theory and Venn diagrams all the time.  You’d think it would be 
more relevant today than it was during the Space Race.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 5:05 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

Even better. That would make you 46. I should start tracking my age in hex.

bpOn 9/8/2020 2:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Maybe 50 hexadecimal?

  It’s my birthday too, but 70.  I guess 50 hex would be 80 decimal.

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 2:42 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

  Bite your tongue..my socks are older

  On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 12:19 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

50?! Holy cow, that's old!

;-)

Yes, I know many, many of you are much older. I jab equally.  :-)

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Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Cobra Kai

2020-09-08 Thread Jay Weekley

The karate is pretty bad and it seems like students are going from white 
belts to black and back again.


Steve Jones wrote:
I watched episode one out of nostalgia, figured it would be a lame 
reboot, we ended up watching both seasons, my daughter even put down 
her phone. Turns out danielsan is a real dickhead. I do take issue 
with black belts being obtained in a couple months, Thats kind of 
insulting to people who worked their way up. I never progressed past 
the white. I dont think I got past stance. i like the mix of footage 
from the original movie, didnt realize it had gotten up to 4 movies 
plus the one with will smiths kid,


Seeing things through others eyes i think is mor understandable to 
older generations. I always thought I was bullied in high school, but 
as i got older and ran into people who were on my peripheral in HS 
they tell me they were afraid of me because i bullied people. looking 
back I see how it could be taken that way, my bullying was with words 
and little violence, but it appears that lasts a whole lot longer.


Will be really cool if this bursts a resurgence in interest in martial 
arts, not UFC. I dont think karen will let her kid be kicked though.


I had a baseball coach that turned nice kids into assholes so i could 
see a contact sport coach/sensei having more impact.


Cant wait for season 3

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 3:52 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I got through season 1 of Cobra Kai on Neflix over the long
weekend.  I expected a corny reboot of an 80's franchise...but
it's quite a bit smarter than that.

Likes:

Reviewing the Karate Kid story through the eyes of the
antagonist.  Danny Larusso was certainly not blameless in that
story.  The other guy's perspective is worth considering.

The role reversals.  Johnny Lawrence was the typical teen movie
antagonist in Karate Kid.  A selfish, affluent jock.  Danny Laruso
was the poor, nice guy, underdog.  The series starts with Danny as
the afluent, selfish, jerk and Johnny as a poor//underdog.  Except
really I think we see that everyone is capable of being both the
nice guy and the jerk.  Episode by episode each of them plays
protagonist and antagonist in turn.

Maybe a spoiler, but the "Cobra Kai" style of no nonsense, no
quitting, no being a pussy, no being afraid is shown to elevate
some nerdy kids into being able to stand up for themselves.  By
the end of the season some of them have turned it up to 11 and
gone all the way to being bullies themselves.  I like these
perspective shifts. Sometimes we're each the bully or the bullied,
and I think that's worth being reminded of.


Dislikes:

I'm not a sociologist or anything, but I question whether the mean
drill sergeant karate teacher can really turn nice kids into
assholes and the nice guy teacher can turn a delinquent into a
nice guy in the course of a few months.

Some melodrama.  Like over the top soap-opera situations.  That
stuff makes me cringe and shake my head as I ponder the odds of it
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

2020-09-08 Thread SmarterBroadband

I had my Beatles Song Birthday last week.

☹

Adam

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

2020-09-08 Thread Chuck McCown

Well.. we still love you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2020, at 6:25 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
> 
> I had my Beatles Song Birthday last week.
> 
> ☹
> 
> Adam
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 11:16 AM
> To: AFMUG 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?
> 
> 
> A birdie told me that today is Jay Fuller's 50th birthday. The birdie is just 
> a birdie, so don't blame me if I'm wrong.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Caldo de res , arroz y chile verde

2020-09-08 Thread Jaime Solorza

Here you go Jaycut the head off 6-9 fresh jalapenos, hot leave
everything inside, mild - clean out inside..
Place the jalapenos in blender with some water, and small piece of garlic,
salt and two small green tomatoes without a stem. Blend...and pour in bowl
Goes well with just about anything...I add small piece of muenster cheese
to it sometimes...you can add avocado as well for different taste and or
red tomatoes...
Enjoy

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> Is there a recipe for the chili sauce?
>
> Jaime Solorza wrote:
> > Nope..same
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 9:13 PM Steve Jones  > > wrote:
> >
> > Is mexican muenster different than deli muenster and is it smoked?
> > I like it with a dry smoked rind, I'm not sure if you're supposed
> > to eat the rind though
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 4:26 PM Jaime Solorza
> > mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Marty cooked this up todaythe green chile sauce was
> > hot...the meat was super tender... yum yum...added some
> > muenster cheese, flour tortillas and bubbly... I have gained 6
> > lbs since eye operation
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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

2020-09-08 Thread Steve Jones

https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/request/documentation/

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:03 AM  wrote:

> I haven’t found the template yet.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, September 7, 2020 12:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>
> Theres a template you download. If I could figure it out, youllnhave no
> issue. It's pretty straight forward and you can be as liberal as you want
> on your projected use.
>
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 11:33 AM  wrote:
>
>> Not sure what to tell them.  I have my own fiber network.  2 customers.
>> Just getting started.  Hope to have 10 customers by the end of the month
>> and maybe 25 by the end of the year.
>>
>> I am using some NOC services of another company.  I am paying them per
>> customer.  Kinda a white label thing.  Once I grow  to a certain point it
>> will make financial sense to do it all myself.
>>
>> So, I want them for my own company, but I want them to live in another
>> interconnected company.
>> I don’t have my own ASN yet.
>>
>> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 7, 2020 9:15 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>>
>> Or for IPv4 you might want this page:
>> https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/request/
>>
>> You didn’t say if you are buying from others or asking ARIN for
>> addresses.   Either way you have to get it approved by ARIN - so don’t skip
>> that part or it will delay being able to purchase IPv4 (if that’s the way
>> you are going).
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Sep 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> I have never done this before personally.  Where do I start?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> It's really easy if you just submit some data saying you have the
>> customers that need those IPs.  The ARIN folk are really cool and smart.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I can wait...
>>> Never personally applied before. Guess I am going to have to learn that
>>> process.
>>> Can I get a block and then assign it to another company for them to use?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Matt Hoppes
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 2:29 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>>>
>>> $0... ARIN is finding them if you can wait a month or two.
>>>
>>> Otherwise we just purchased one for $5,000.
>>>
>>> On 9/5/20 3:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> > What is a c block going for these days?
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

2020-09-08 Thread Steve Jones

these are the two i used. the internet service example one i kind of wish
we had used for subnet documentation originally

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 9:01 PM Steve Jones 
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> https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/request/documentation/
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:03 AM  wrote:
>
>> I haven’t found the template yet.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 7, 2020 12:07 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>>
>> Theres a template you download. If I could figure it out, youllnhave no
>> issue. It's pretty straight forward and you can be as liberal as you want
>> on your projected use.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 11:33 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure what to tell them.  I have my own fiber network.  2 customers.
>>> Just getting started.  Hope to have 10 customers by the end of the month
>>> and maybe 25 by the end of the year.
>>>
>>> I am using some NOC services of another company.  I am paying them per
>>> customer.  Kinda a white label thing.  Once I grow  to a certain point it
>>> will make financial sense to do it all myself.
>>>
>>> So, I want them for my own company, but I want them to live in another
>>> interconnected company.
>>> I don’t have my own ASN yet.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 7, 2020 9:15 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>>>
>>> Or for IPv4 you might want this page:
>>> https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/request/
>>>
>>> You didn’t say if you are buying from others or asking ARIN for
>>> addresses.   Either way you have to get it approved by ARIN - so don’t skip
>>> that part or it will delay being able to purchase IPv4 (if that’s the way
>>> you are going).
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Sep 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have never done this before personally.  Where do I start?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> It's really easy if you just submit some data saying you have the
>>> customers that need those IPs.  The ARIN folk are really cool and smart.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM  wrote:
>>>
 I can wait...
 Never personally applied before. Guess I am going to have to learn that
 process.
 Can I get a block and then assign it to another company for them to use?

 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Hoppes
 Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 2:29 PM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

 $0... ARIN is finding them if you can wait a month or two.

 Otherwise we just purchased one for $5,000.

 On 9/5/20 3:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 > What is a c block going for these days?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Caldo de res , arroz y chile verde

2020-09-08 Thread Steve Jones

you know what would taste good in that.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 8:59 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Here you go Jaycut the head off 6-9 fresh jalapenos, hot leave
> everything inside, mild - clean out inside..
> Place the jalapenos in blender with some water, and small piece of garlic,
> salt and two small green tomatoes without a stem. Blend...and pour in bowl
> Goes well with just about anything...I add small piece of muenster cheese
> to it sometimes...you can add avocado as well for different taste and or
> red tomatoes...
> Enjoy
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 12:14 PM Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
>> Is there a recipe for the chili sauce?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> > Nope..same
>> >
>> > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 9:13 PM Steve Jones > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Is mexican muenster different than deli muenster and is it smoked?
>> > I like it with a dry smoked rind, I'm not sure if you're supposed
>> > to eat the rind though
>> >
>> > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 4:26 PM Jaime Solorza
>> > mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Marty cooked this up todaythe green chile sauce was
>> > hot...the meat was super tender... yum yum...added some
>> > muenster cheese, flour tortillas and bubbly... I have gained 6
>> > lbs since eye operation
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Caldo de res , arroz y chile verde

2020-09-08 Thread Steve Jones

youre going to want to pick up the pace:
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On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> you know what would taste good in that.
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 8:59 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Here you go Jaycut the head off 6-9 fresh jalapenos, hot leave
>> everything inside, mild - clean out inside..
>> Place the jalapenos in blender with some water, and small piece of
>> garlic, salt and two small green tomatoes without a stem. Blend...and pour
>> in bowl
>> Goes well with just about anything...I add small piece of muenster cheese
>> to it sometimes...you can add avocado as well for different taste and or
>> red tomatoes...
>> Enjoy
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 12:14 PM Jay Weekley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a recipe for the chili sauce?
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>> > Nope..same
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 9:13 PM Steve Jones >> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Is mexican muenster different than deli muenster and is it smoked?
>>> > I like it with a dry smoked rind, I'm not sure if you're supposed
>>> > to eat the rind though
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 4:26 PM Jaime Solorza
>>> > mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Marty cooked this up todaythe green chile sauce was
>>> > hot...the meat was super tender... yum yum...added some
>>> > muenster cheese, flour tortillas and bubbly... I have gained 6
>>> > lbs since eye operation
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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

2020-09-08 Thread Steve Jones

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On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 9:03 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> these are the two i used. the internet service example one i kind of wish
> we had used for subnet documentation originally
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 9:01 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/request/documentation/
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:03 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I haven’t found the template yet.
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 7, 2020 12:07 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>>>
>>> Theres a template you download. If I could figure it out, youllnhave no
>>> issue. It's pretty straight forward and you can be as liberal as you want
>>> on your projected use.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 11:33 AM  wrote:
>>>
 Not sure what to tell them.  I have my own fiber network.  2
 customers.  Just getting started.  Hope to have 10 customers by the end of
 the month and maybe 25 by the end of the year.

 I am using some NOC services of another company.  I am paying them per
 customer.  Kinda a white label thing.  Once I grow  to a certain point it
 will make financial sense to do it all myself.

 So, I want them for my own company, but I want them to live in another
 interconnected company.
 I don’t have my own ASN yet.

 *From:* Mark Radabaugh
 *Sent:* Monday, September 7, 2020 9:15 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

 Or for IPv4 you might want this page:
 https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/request/

 You didn’t say if you are buying from others or asking ARIN for
 addresses.   Either way you have to get it approved by ARIN - so don’t skip
 that part or it will delay being able to purchase IPv4 (if that’s the way
 you are going).

 Mark

 On Sep 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

 I have never done this before personally.  Where do I start?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

 
 It's really easy if you just submit some data saying you have the
 customers that need those IPs.  The ARIN folk are really cool and smart.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
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 On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM  wrote:

> I can wait...
> Never personally applied before. Guess I am going to have to learn
> that
> process.
> Can I get a block and then assign it to another company for them to
> use?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 2:29 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>
> $0... ARIN is finding them if you can wait a month or two.
>
> Otherwise we just purchased one for $5,000.
>
> On 9/5/20 3:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > What is a c block going for these days?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Caldo de res , arroz y chile verde

2020-09-08 Thread Jaime Solorza

Noo never

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 8:05 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> you know what would taste good in that.
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 8:59 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Here you go Jaycut the head off 6-9 fresh jalapenos, hot leave
>> everything inside, mild - clean out inside..
>> Place the jalapenos in blender with some water, and small piece of
>> garlic, salt and two small green tomatoes without a stem. Blend...and pour
>> in bowl
>> Goes well with just about anything...I add small piece of muenster cheese
>> to it sometimes...you can add avocado as well for different taste and or
>> red tomatoes...
>> Enjoy
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 12:14 PM Jay Weekley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a recipe for the chili sauce?
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>> > Nope..same
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 9:13 PM Steve Jones >> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Is mexican muenster different than deli muenster and is it smoked?
>>> > I like it with a dry smoked rind, I'm not sure if you're supposed
>>> > to eat the rind though
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 4:26 PM Jaime Solorza
>>> > mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Marty cooked this up todaythe green chile sauce was
>>> > hot...the meat was super tender... yum yum...added some
>>> > muenster cheese, flour tortillas and bubbly... I have gained 6
>>> > lbs since eye operation
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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

2020-09-08 Thread TJ Trout

Chuck did you have any damage from the wind storm?

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 7:06 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

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> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 9:03 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> these are the two i used. the internet service example one i kind of wish
>> we had used for subnet documentation originally
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 9:01 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/request/documentation/
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:03 AM  wrote:
>>>
 I haven’t found the template yet.

 *From:* Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, September 7, 2020 12:07 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

 Theres a template you download. If I could figure it out, youllnhave no
 issue. It's pretty straight forward and you can be as liberal as you want
 on your projected use.

 On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 11:33 AM  wrote:

> Not sure what to tell them.  I have my own fiber network.  2
> customers.  Just getting started.  Hope to have 10 customers by the end of
> the month and maybe 25 by the end of the year.
>
> I am using some NOC services of another company.  I am paying them per
> customer.  Kinda a white label thing.  Once I grow  to a certain point it
> will make financial sense to do it all myself.
>
> So, I want them for my own company, but I want them to live in another
> interconnected company.
> I don’t have my own ASN yet.
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Monday, September 7, 2020 9:15 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>
> Or for IPv4 you might want this page:
> https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/request/
>
> You didn’t say if you are buying from others or asking ARIN for
> addresses.   Either way you have to get it approved by ARIN - so don’t 
> skip
> that part or it will delay being able to purchase IPv4 (if that’s the way
> you are going).
>
> Mark
>
> On Sep 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I have never done this before personally.  Where do I start?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> 
> It's really easy if you just submit some data saying you have the
> customers that need those IPs.  The ARIN folk are really cool and smart.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM  wrote:
>
>> I can wait...
>> Never personally applied before. Guess I am going to have to learn
>> that
>> process.
>> Can I get a block and then assign it to another company for them to
>> use?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 2:29 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs
>>
>> $0... ARIN is finding them if you can wait a month or two.
>>
>> Otherwise we just purchased one for $5,000.
>>
>> On 9/5/20 3:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > What is a c block going for these days?
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Caldo de res , arroz y chile verde

2020-09-08 Thread James Howard

It's supposed to be:

I do not like them Sam I Am.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 9:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Caldo de res , arroz y chile verde

Noo never

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
you know what would taste good in that.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 8:59 PM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Here you go Jaycut the head off 6-9 fresh jalapenos, hot leave everything 
inside, mild - clean out inside..
Place the jalapenos in blender with some water, and small piece of garlic, salt 
and two small green tomatoes without a stem. Blend...and pour in bowl
Goes well with just about anything...I add small piece of muenster cheese to it 
sometimes...you can add avocado as well for different taste and or red 
tomatoes...
Enjoy

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 12:14 PM Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Is there a recipe for the chili sauce?

Jaime Solorza wrote:
> Nope..same
>
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 9:13 PM Steve Jones 
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> Is mexican muenster different than deli muenster and is it smoked?
> I like it with a dry smoked rind, I'm not sure if you're supposed
> to eat the rind though
>
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 4:26 PM Jaime Solorza
> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
> >> wrote:
>
> Marty cooked this up todaythe green chile sauce was
> hot...the meat was super tender... yum yum...added some
> muenster cheese, flour tortillas and bubbly... I have gained 6
> lbs since eye operation
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Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world

2020-09-08 Thread Steve Jones

so, the wife ended up not catching it, a couple nurses did. in the last
couple weeks shes had 2 more exposures from the same nonsense. we
arent going into lockdown every time anymore, just notifying everybody and
wearing masks for two weeks even though they dont do anything (purely an
issue of criminal liability).

Last saturday my piece of shit brother in law dropped his kid off to us,
didnt bother to mention to us that he (the brother) had been sick for a
couple days and lost his sense of taste. we went to a family gathering with
the nephew. the brothers gf test came back postive on sunday (another thing
he didnt mention. so of course everybody at the family function went on
lock down. the nephew had only been at his dads since friday and was never
around the gf. he hadnt been exposed long enough to spread it, the
likelyhood of contact contamination of clothing is near zero. But we
reported to everybody who was there, my cousins kids couldnt go back to
school til the boy had a negative test, etc.

the three year old came back negative, everybody was good.

The brother in law tested positive on monday.

no big deal

til he tells my wife hes having a covid party, him, his gf, and a few of
their friends who are positive. Not a huge deal, except they have my 3 year
old nephew there, who WAS negative.

This is the nonsense that makes this ting and issue, people willfully
putting others at risk and doing unneccessarily risky things (ill guarantee
some in this group have been at the bar in the last week). Theyre all on
public health 10 day quarantines, but out in public fucking around, (FYI,
these fuckwits arent even the Trump supporting rednecks everybody is
probably envisioning, theyre literal BLM activists who have been
indoctrinating my brother in law)

this doesnt have to be this way

just venting, cause the alternative is dropping this here magazine in the
well and heading over for a discussion resulting in a few more covid
deaths. Debating on going full karen and calling DCFS

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 1:45 PM James Howard  wrote:

> That’s actually our intention with our basement garage.  We’ve been
> telling the kids we plan to put a basketball hoop down there.  We’ve just
> never succeeded in getting out all the stuff that ended up down there when
> we moved in.
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