Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

[Lewis Bergman]

I need to check HEB for Chorizo. Sam's has it, and it tastes good, but it
isn't the same consistency as the best Chorizo. I try to keep some  around
at all times.
I have a Google places list of the best Mexican food restaurants in town.
The determining factor is if they will put chorizo in my refried beans
anytime of day.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

[Jaime Solorza]

Peyton's is good

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 6:52 AM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> I need to check HEB for Chorizo. Sam's has it, and it tastes good, but it
> isn't the same consistency as the best Chorizo. I try to keep some  around
> at all times.
> I have a Google places list of the best Mexican food restaurants in town.
> The determining factor is if they will put chorizo in my refried beans
> anytime of day.
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 10:34 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Huevo con Chorizo en pan Blanco...yum..cooked it with Irish butter
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: illinois boiled eggs 14 minutes

[Mike Hammett]

My wife just mentioned to me how she does her hard boiled eggs in the Instapot. 

Four minutes on pressure, four minutes on natural release. Ice bath after that. 




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From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 9:05:35 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: illinois boiled eggs 14 minutes 


So for 3 years now, all times of year, multiple brands, farm fresh and store 
bought, its officially settled. 
Boil water to rolling boil 
Using a ladle drop eggs in gently to not crack them 
Boil 14 minutes, 11 for semi soft boiled 
The colder the quench water the better the peel 
If the quench isnt ice cold, drop back into boil for 30 seconds to steam 
separate the shell. 


The science is settled once and for all, this is hard city water in an aluminum 
pot. Anywhere between a half gallon and gallon and a half, anywhere between 6 
and 36 eggs. 


Perfect yellow yolk, zero green. 14 minutes after the first egg is ladled in. 


The quench is key for peelability. 


I havent left themninnthe quench for more than a couple minutes, too long and I 
bet the inner shell is saturated, may peel better, but will probably spoil 
faster. 


I dont know my mean ASL here. I was concerned because our water plant added a 
"flavoring" system, but there was no change in results. 


My lifes work is complete, I'm not certain where to go from here, but I have a 
garden full of trinidad scorpions that may be involved in my future path. That 
and getting jaime to try peppered rice vinegar. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Utility Pole Attachment - Tree Trimming?

[cgray]

Nice, this is probably where we’ll end up. Ideally, we could find a balance of: 
we cut, town chips. 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 7:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Utility Pole Attachment - Tree Trimming?

 

The vast majority of pole lines are on public ROW which means the local 
political entity controls the property and is generally responsible for the 
condition of the trees.   When we have asked in the past if the village (insert 
whatever political entity you like) cared if we trimmed around lines none had 
any issue with it.   Most said thanks - they didn’t want to do it.

 

Mark





On Aug 18, 2020, at 1:32 AM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

thats probably a component of the utility owner. around here there are 
contracts that just V out every tree. I never really thought about who 
initiates the contracts, I just wished I had them, you can butcher the hell out 
of trees with no consequense

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 10:58 PM TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote:

What does it normally take to get the attachment agreement? How much red tape 
and requirements?

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On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 7:17 PM mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com> > wrote:

Does a utility pole attachment agreement typically allow for any tree trimming 
in the right of way?

 

Or, is that something only the utility may do? 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Utility Pole Attachment - Tree Trimming?

[Ken Hohhof]

Around here, both towns and utilities mostly hire tree services to trim the 
trees around the poles and wires.  So the trimming and chipping usually go 
together.  Bucket truck for the guy with the chain saw, and a dump truck 
pulling a shredder with a couple guys ground crew feeding the shredder and 
cleaning up with leafblowers.

 

Our village does have some of their own equipment, but I think they like being 
able to contract most of the routine tree trimming out because there are lots 
of tree services and the competition drives the price down.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of cg...@graytechsoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Utility Pole Attachment - Tree Trimming?

 

Nice, this is probably where we’ll end up. Ideally, we could find a balance of: 
we cut, town chips. 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 7:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Utility Pole Attachment - Tree Trimming?

 

The vast majority of pole lines are on public ROW which means the local 
political entity controls the property and is generally responsible for the 
condition of the trees.   When we have asked in the past if the village (insert 
whatever political entity you like) cared if we trimmed around lines none had 
any issue with it.   Most said thanks - they didn’t want to do it.

 

Mark

 

On Aug 18, 2020, at 1:32 AM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

thats probably a component of the utility owner. around here there are 
contracts that just V out every tree. I never really thought about who 
initiates the contracts, I just wished I had them, you can butcher the hell out 
of trees with no consequense

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 10:58 PM TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote:

What does it normally take to get the attachment agreement? How much red tape 
and requirements?

All the best,

TJ Trout
Volt Broadband
AS62809
209.480.3122


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On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 7:17 PM mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com> > wrote:

Does a utility pole attachment agreement typically allow for any tree trimming 
in the right of way?

 

Or, is that something only the utility may do? 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Utility Pole Attachment - Tree Trimming?

[Adam Moffett]

One issue that confused me was the tree trimmers for our electric 
company had a good sized limb fall onto a fiber drop cable.  I talked to 
the crew and tried to have a conversation with them about their 
liability insurance and they claimed I was the first person to ever 
imply that they might be liable.  They said they try to drop trees 
safely, but sometimes they don't fall where you want, and generally they 
just call the affected utility and they come out and fix it.  Their 
position was essentially, "you benefit from the tree trimming, but that 
comes with a risk of damage and you just deal with it."


It didn't occur to me at the time, but maybe I should have asked the 
power co.  Maybe their agreement with the contractor puts the liability 
on them.  I assume /someone/ accepts liability for damage.



On 8/19/2020 10:13 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Around here, both towns and utilities mostly hire tree services to 
trim the trees around the poles and wires.  So the trimming and 
chipping usually go together. Bucket truck for the guy with the chain 
saw, and a dump truck pulling a shredder with a couple guys ground 
crew feeding the shredder and cleaning up with leafblowers.


Our village does have some of their own equipment, but I think they 
like being able to contract most of the routine tree trimming out 
because there are lots of tree services and the competition drives the 
price down.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of 
*cg...@graytechsoftware.com

*Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:03 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Utility Pole Attachment - Tree Trimming?

Nice, this is probably where we’ll end up. Ideally, we could find a 
balance of: we cut, town chips.


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh

*Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2020 7:48 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Utility Pole Attachment - Tree Trimming?

The vast majority of pole lines are on public ROW which means the 
local political entity controls the property and is generally 
responsible for the condition of the trees.   When we have asked in 
the past if the village (insert whatever political entity you like) 
cared if we trimmed around lines none had any issue with it.   Most 
said thanks - they didn’t want to do it.


Mark

On Aug 18, 2020, at 1:32 AM, Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

thats probably a component of the utility owner. around here there
are contracts that just V out every tree. I never really thought
about who initiates the contracts, I just wished I had them, you
can butcher the hell out of trees with no consequense

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 10:58 PM TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

What does it normally take to get the attachment agreement?
How much red tape and requirements?

All the best,

TJ Trout
Volt Broadband
AS62809
209.480.3122


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Does a utility pole attachment agreement typically allow
for any tree trimming in the right of way?

Or, is that something only the utility may do?

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[AFMUG] OT odd data connection

[chuck]

On one of my large portable air compressors, there is a data port.  They sell 
an adapter cable for about $200  It adapts it to USB.  The program that you use 
to talk to it makes reference to modbus.

The data port has 4 pins.  RJ-10 4p4c connector.
+5 with enough current to light an incandescent light bulb.
+5 low current
+5 low current
Ground

This sounds like USB host to me.  One of my sons think it is RS-485  

I don’t think USB would be happy on a RJ-10 and utp wire.  Maybe it would.  
Maybe I am just buying a piece of wire with two connectors on the ends.  

The controller it plugs into is $2000 so I don’t want to experiment on that.  
Be interesting to see the adapter cable when it gets here.  See if there are 
any active components.  I would have probably just wired it up to a USB and 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

[Brian Webster]

MODBUS and RS-485 are very commonly related and used together. As I remember 
RS-485 is just a format that goes farther distance than RS-232. This is/was 
typical in SCADA systems. I don’t recall if it was TTL logic levels or not. I 
would not be surprised if the cable is also a TTL logic converter.

 

Jamie can probably shed a lot more light on the topic.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

 

On one of my large portable air compressors, there is a data port.  They sell 
an adapter cable for about $200  It adapts it to USB.  The program that you use 
to talk to it makes reference to modbus.

 

The data port has 4 pins.  RJ-10 4p4c connector.

+5 with enough current to light an incandescent light bulb.

+5 low current

+5 low current

Ground

 

This sounds like USB host to me.  One of my sons think it is RS-485  

 

I don’t think USB would be happy on a RJ-10 and utp wire.  Maybe it would.  
Maybe I am just buying a piece of wire with two connectors on the ends.  

 

The controller it plugs into is $2000 so I don’t want to experiment on that.  
Be interesting to see the adapter cable when it gets here.  See if there are 
any active components.  I would have probably just wired it up to a USB and 
tried it if my son had not made the modbus/RS485 comment. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

[Adam Moffett]

I never noticed, but yeah the pinout for both looks identical.  I wonder 
if RS485 and USB have some shared heritage.


The converters are very small.  It might be hard to tell the difference 
between a slightly large plug package and a miniaturized electronic 
package.without cutting it open of course.


Here's one from Newark:

https://www.newark.com/productimages/standard/en_US/4817085.jpg


On 8/19/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
On one of my large portable air compressors, there is a data port.  
They sell an adapter cable for about $200  It adapts it to USB.  The 
program that you use to talk to it makes reference to modbus.

The data port has 4 pins.  RJ-10 4p4c connector.
+5 with enough current to light an incandescent light bulb.
+5 low current
+5 low current
Ground
This sounds like USB host to me.  One of my sons think it is RS-485
I don’t think USB would be happy on a RJ-10 and utp wire.  Maybe it 
would.  Maybe I am just buying a piece of wire with two connectors on 
the ends.
The controller it plugs into is $2000 so I don’t want to experiment on 
that.  Be interesting to see the adapter cable when it gets here.  See 
if there are any active components. I would have probably just wired 
it up to a USB and tried it if my son had not made the modbus/RS485 
comment.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

[chuck]

The voltages make sense if it is TTL.  

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 10:34 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

MODBUS and RS-485 are very commonly related and used together. As I remember 
RS-485 is just a format that goes farther distance than RS-232. This is/was 
typical in SCADA systems. I don’t recall if it was TTL logic levels or not. I 
would not be surprised if the cable is also a TTL logic converter.

 

Jamie can probably shed a lot more light on the topic.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

 

On one of my large portable air compressors, there is a data port.  They sell 
an adapter cable for about $200  It adapts it to USB.  The program that you use 
to talk to it makes reference to modbus.

 

The data port has 4 pins.  RJ-10 4p4c connector.

+5 with enough current to light an incandescent light bulb.

+5 low current

+5 low current

Ground

 

This sounds like USB host to me.  One of my sons think it is RS-485  

 

I don’t think USB would be happy on a RJ-10 and utp wire.  Maybe it would.  
Maybe I am just buying a piece of wire with two connectors on the ends.  

 

The controller it plugs into is $2000 so I don’t want to experiment on that.  
Be interesting to see the adapter cable when it gets here.  See if there are 
any active components.  I would have probably just wired it up to a USB and 
tried it if my son had not made the modbus/RS485 comment. 

 

Any guesses?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

[Ken Hohhof]

Apparently modbus is a data protocol, not a physical layer standard, but yes it 
could go over RS485.  I don’t see how a simple cable could convert from USB to 
RS485.  I sure hope for $200 you are getting a dongle, not an expensive cable.

 

The connector you are referring to, is that a 4 pin modular plug, like used on 
the handset cord for a phone?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:27 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

 

On one of my large portable air compressors, there is a data port.  They sell 
an adapter cable for about $200  It adapts it to USB.  The program that you use 
to talk to it makes reference to modbus.

 

The data port has 4 pins.  RJ-10 4p4c connector.

+5 with enough current to light an incandescent light bulb.

+5 low current

+5 low current

Ground

 

This sounds like USB host to me.  One of my sons think it is RS-485  

 

I don’t think USB would be happy on a RJ-10 and utp wire.  Maybe it would.  
Maybe I am just buying a piece of wire with two connectors on the ends.  

 

The controller it plugs into is $2000 so I don’t want to experiment on that.  
Be interesting to see the adapter cable when it gets here.  See if there are 
any active components.  I would have probably just wired it up to a USB and 
tried it if my son had not made the modbus/RS485 comment. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

[chuck]

Yes, I actually found an old phone and was in the process of hacking up a 
converter cable when my sons talked me out of connecting it.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 10:45 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

Apparently modbus is a data protocol, not a physical layer standard, but yes it 
could go over RS485.  I don’t see how a simple cable could convert from USB to 
RS485.  I sure hope for $200 you are getting a dongle, not an expensive cable.

 

The connector you are referring to, is that a 4 pin modular plug, like used on 
the handset cord for a phone?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:27 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

 

On one of my large portable air compressors, there is a data port.  They sell 
an adapter cable for about $200  It adapts it to USB.  The program that you use 
to talk to it makes reference to modbus.

 

The data port has 4 pins.  RJ-10 4p4c connector.

+5 with enough current to light an incandescent light bulb.

+5 low current

+5 low current

Ground

 

This sounds like USB host to me.  One of my sons think it is RS-485  

 

I don’t think USB would be happy on a RJ-10 and utp wire.  Maybe it would.  
Maybe I am just buying a piece of wire with two connectors on the ends.  

 

The controller it plugs into is $2000 so I don’t want to experiment on that.  
Be interesting to see the adapter cable when it gets here.  See if there are 
any active components.  I would have probably just wired it up to a USB and 
tried it if my son had not made the modbus/RS485 comment. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

[TJ Trout]

apc uses rj10's for usb..

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 9:46 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Apparently modbus is a data protocol, not a physical layer standard, but
> yes it could go over RS485.  I don’t see how a simple cable could convert
> from USB to RS485.  I sure hope for $200 you are getting a dongle, not an
> expensive cable.
>
>
>
> The connector you are referring to, is that a 4 pin modular plug, like
> used on the handset cord for a phone?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:27 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT odd data connection
>
>
>
> On one of my large portable air compressors, there is a data port.  They
> sell an adapter cable for about $200  It adapts it to USB.  The program
> that you use to talk to it makes reference to modbus.
>
>
>
> The data port has 4 pins.  RJ-10 4p4c connector.
>
> +5 with enough current to light an incandescent light bulb.
>
> +5 low current
>
> +5 low current
>
> Ground
>
>
>
> This sounds like USB host to me.  One of my sons think it is RS-485
>
>
>
> I don’t think USB would be happy on a RJ-10 and utp wire.  Maybe it
> would.  Maybe I am just buying a piece of wire with two connectors on the
> ends.
>
>
>
> The controller it plugs into is $2000 so I don’t want to experiment on
> that.  Be interesting to see the adapter cable when it gets here.  See if
> there are any active components.  I would have probably just wired it up to
> a USB and tried it if my son had not made the modbus/RS485 comment.
>
>
>
> Any guesses?
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[AFMUG] OT fired a guy

[chuck]

My supervisor fired a problem employee at a construction site this morning.  We 
have had lots of problems with this guy and I was glad to see him go.  We 
hauled him to the job site and now he wants someone to take him back to our 
office to get his vehicle.  I cannot spare a person or vehicle at that site.  I 
don’t want to send someone special over to that site to haul him.  Both the 
supervisor and I told him he can sit on the side of the street until we are 
done for the day and we will take him back.  

He has his brother now calling and threatening police action, saying it is Utah 
law that you have to give him a ride.  

Not sure about that.  If he was not such a dick I would have probably sent 
someone to get him.  I don’t want to do it, I don’t want to send any of the 
women.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

[Matt Hoppes]

I don't know the law, but I would just order an Uber as a parting gesture.

On 8/19/20 1:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
My supervisor fired a problem employee at a construction site this 
morning.  We have had lots of problems with this guy and I was glad to 
see him go.  We hauled him to the job site and now he wants someone to 
take him back to our office to get his vehicle.  I cannot spare a person 
or vehicle at that site.  I don’t want to send someone special over to 
that site to haul him.  Both the supervisor and I told him he can sit on 
the side of the street until we are done for the day and we will take 
him back.
He has his brother now calling and threatening police action, saying it 
is Utah law that you have to give him a ride.
Not sure about that.  If he was not such a dick I would have probably 
sent someone to get him.  I don’t want to do it, I don’t want to send 
any of the women.
Anyone every heard that you have a legal duty to immediately transport 
someone back to their vehicle if you terminate them?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

[Mike Hammett]

You can't change the past, but what about fired... at the end of the day. All 
responsibilities and authorities are removed at the time of conflict. If they 
choose to leave on their own, great. If not, they're still getting paid and not 
fired through the end of your day. Probably costs less to do that than the 
alternatives. 




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From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:46:38 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy 




My supervisor fired a problem employee at a construction site this morning. We 
have had lots of problems with this guy and I was glad to see him go. We hauled 
him to the job site and now he wants someone to take him back to our office to 
get his vehicle. I cannot spare a person or vehicle at that site. I don’t want 
to send someone special over to that site to haul him. Both the supervisor and 
I told him he can sit on the side of the street until we are done for the day 
and we will take him back. 

He has his brother now calling and threatening police action, saying it is Utah 
law that you have to give him a ride. 

Not sure about that. If he was not such a dick I would have probably sent 
someone to get him. I don’t want to do it, I don’t want to send any of the 
women. 

Anyone every heard that you have a legal duty to immediately transport someone 
back to their vehicle if you terminate them? 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

[Dustin Jurman]

+1

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't know the law, but I would just order an Uber as a parting gesture.
> 
>> On 8/19/20 1:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> My supervisor fired a problem employee at a construction site this morning.  
>> We have had lots of problems with this guy and I was glad to see him go.  We 
>> hauled him to the job site and now he wants someone to take him back to our 
>> office to get his vehicle.  I cannot spare a person or vehicle at that site. 
>>  I don’t want to send someone special over to that site to haul him.  Both 
>> the supervisor and I told him he can sit on the side of the street until we 
>> are done for the day and we will take him back.
>> He has his brother now calling and threatening police action, saying it is 
>> Utah law that you have to give him a ride.
>> Not sure about that.  If he was not such a dick I would have probably sent 
>> someone to get him.  I don’t want to do it, I don’t want to send any of the 
>> women.
>> Anyone every heard that you have a legal duty to immediately transport 
>> someone back to their vehicle if you terminate them?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

[David Coudron]

I don’t know about the legal part of it.   However, you may just want to send 
someone to make it all go away.   Whether he deserves a ride or not, the 
trouble and stress from dealing with his complaining might not be worth the 
trade in time.My thought is to get the trouble making employees as far away 
from the rest of the employees as soon as possible.   No good can come from him 
making a scene.

Regards,

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

My supervisor fired a problem employee at a construction site this morning.  We 
have had lots of problems with this guy and I was glad to see him go.  We 
hauled him to the job site and now he wants someone to take him back to our 
office to get his vehicle.  I cannot spare a person or vehicle at that site.  I 
don’t want to send someone special over to that site to haul him.  Both the 
supervisor and I told him he can sit on the side of the street until we are 
done for the day and we will take him back.

He has his brother now calling and threatening police action, saying it is Utah 
law that you have to give him a ride.

Not sure about that.  If he was not such a dick I would have probably sent 
someone to get him.  I don’t want to do it, I don’t want to send any of the 
women.

Anyone every heard that you have a legal duty to immediately transport someone 
back to their vehicle if you terminate them?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

[Adam Moffett]

You're not leaving him stranded in the desert, just telling him what 
time the ride is.  My only question would be whether you are required to 
pay him for the time he's just sitting there.  His time isn't really his 
own at that point.


As an optics thing it won't play well.   Might have been better to wait 
until the end of the work day.



On 8/19/2020 1:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
My supervisor fired a problem employee at a construction site this 
morning.  We have had lots of problems with this guy and I was glad to 
see him go.  We hauled him to the job site and now he wants someone to 
take him back to our office to get his vehicle.  I cannot spare a 
person or vehicle at that site.  I don’t want to send someone special 
over to that site to haul him.  Both the supervisor and I told him he 
can sit on the side of the street until we are done for the day and we 
will take him back.
He has his brother now calling and threatening police action, saying 
it is Utah law that you have to give him a ride.
Not sure about that.  If he was not such a dick I would have probably 
sent someone to get him.  I don’t want to do it, I don’t want to send 
any of the women.
Anyone every heard that you have a legal duty to immediately transport 
someone back to their vehicle if you terminate them?


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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

[Jay Weekley]

Are you still responsible for his safety?  What if he "trips" on 
something and is "injured"?


ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
My supervisor fired a problem employee at a construction site this 
morning.  We have had lots of problems with this guy and I was glad to 
see him go.  We hauled him to the job site and now he wants someone to 
take him back to our office to get his vehicle.  I cannot spare a 
person or vehicle at that site.  I don’t want to send someone special 
over to that site to haul him.  Both the supervisor and I told him he 
can sit on the side of the street until we are done for the day and we 
will take him back.
He has his brother now calling and threatening police action, saying 
it is Utah law that you have to give him a ride.
Not sure about that.  If he was not such a dick I would have probably 
sent someone to get him.  I don’t want to do it, I don’t want to send 
any of the women.
Anyone every heard that you have a legal duty to immediately transport 
someone back to their vehicle if you terminate them?





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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

[chuck]

We sprung a guy loose from another job site to give him a ride.  
And our supervisor found out from his mom who is an HR professional at a 
hospital that we do legally have to return him to where his job day started.  

If he had not called me personally after getting fired and started trash 
talking his co workers and claiming that he was getting a raw deal I would have 
felt differently about helping him out.  He had only been with us maybe 3 
months.  Tons of absenteeism and shirking.  He did it to himself.  

Not often that we hit the eject button in the middle of the day.  

From: David Coudron 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

I don’t know about the legal part of it.   However, you may just want to send 
someone to make it all go away.   Whether he deserves a ride or not, the 
trouble and stress from dealing with his complaining might not be worth the 
trade in time.My thought is to get the trouble making employees as far away 
from the rest of the employees as soon as possible.   No good can come from him 
making a scene.

 

Regards,

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

 

My supervisor fired a problem employee at a construction site this morning.  We 
have had lots of problems with this guy and I was glad to see him go.  We 
hauled him to the job site and now he wants someone to take him back to our 
office to get his vehicle.  I cannot spare a person or vehicle at that site.  I 
don’t want to send someone special over to that site to haul him.  Both the 
supervisor and I told him he can sit on the side of the street until we are 
done for the day and we will take him back.  

 

He has his brother now calling and threatening police action, saying it is Utah 
law that you have to give him a ride.  

 

Not sure about that.  If he was not such a dick I would have probably sent 
someone to get him.  I don’t want to do it, I don’t want to send any of the 
women.  

 

Anyone every heard that you have a legal duty to immediately transport someone 
back to their vehicle if you terminate them?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

[chuck]

He had a confrontation with his coworkers that had to be handled on the spot.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:53 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

You're not leaving him stranded in the desert, just telling him what time the 
ride is.  My only question would be whether you are required to pay him for the 
time he's just sitting there.  His time isn't really his own at that point. 


As an optics thing it won't play well.   Might have been better to wait until 
the end of the work day.




On 8/19/2020 1:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  My supervisor fired a problem employee at a construction site this morning.  
We have had lots of problems with this guy and I was glad to see him go.  We 
hauled him to the job site and now he wants someone to take him back to our 
office to get his vehicle.  I cannot spare a person or vehicle at that site.  I 
don’t want to send someone special over to that site to haul him.  Both the 
supervisor and I told him he can sit on the side of the street until we are 
done for the day and we will take him back.  

  He has his brother now calling and threatening police action, saying it is 
Utah law that you have to give him a ride.  

  Not sure about that.  If he was not such a dick I would have probably sent 
someone to get him.  I don’t want to do it, I don’t want to send any of the 
women.  

  Anyone every heard that you have a legal duty to immediately transport 
someone back to their vehicle if you terminate them?

   



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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/19/20 10:53 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
You're not leaving him stranded in the desert, just telling him what 
time the ride is.  My only question would be whether you are required to 
pay him for the time he's just sitting there.  His time isn't really his 
own at that point.


As an optics thing it won't play well.   Might have been better to wait 
until the end of the work day.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

[chuck]

It would have been cheaper to have paid him to sit on the side of the street 
for the rest of the day.  And my wife just told me that he has not even been 
with us 30 days yet.  I got a creepy feeling about him from the get – go.  Was 
way too familiar with me for my liking.  (I think I will adopt the Ellen rule:  
no eye contact for the first 10 years...)

Another one bites the dust.  I have always said the following about hiring and 
firing:
I have (with the exception of one guy) never regretted firing anyone.  Almost 
always have wished I had done it sooner.  

Firing makes your company stronger if done right.  Your coworkers see that you 
are not letting toxic or slacker people continue to be employed.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:53 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

You're not leaving him stranded in the desert, just telling him what time the 
ride is.  My only question would be whether you are required to pay him for the 
time he's just sitting there.  His time isn't really his own at that point. 


As an optics thing it won't play well.   Might have been better to wait until 
the end of the work day.




On 8/19/2020 1:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  My supervisor fired a problem employee at a construction site this morning.  
We have had lots of problems with this guy and I was glad to see him go.  We 
hauled him to the job site and now he wants someone to take him back to our 
office to get his vehicle.  I cannot spare a person or vehicle at that site.  I 
don’t want to send someone special over to that site to haul him.  Both the 
supervisor and I told him he can sit on the side of the street until we are 
done for the day and we will take him back.  

  He has his brother now calling and threatening police action, saying it is 
Utah law that you have to give him a ride.  

  Not sure about that.  If he was not such a dick I would have probably sent 
someone to get him.  I don’t want to do it, I don’t want to send any of the 
women.  

  Anyone every heard that you have a legal duty to immediately transport 
someone back to their vehicle if you terminate them?

   



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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

[Robert]

One of the reasons I have always liked companies that start all newbies 
with a trusted(by you) mentor.  That mentor can usually make the call 
within days of the hiring of the value of the newbie.  One week and one 
month review between you and the mentor.   Your choice on disclosure of 
the newbie's status via the mentor at the start.  But formally assigned 
to the mentor upon hiring...


On 8/19/20 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
It would have been cheaper to have paid him to sit on the side of the 
street for the rest of the day.  And my wife just told me that he has 
not even been with us 30 days yet. I got a creepy feeling about him 
from the get – go.  Was way too familiar with me for my liking.  (I 
think I will adopt the Ellen rule:  no eye contact for the first 10 
years...)
Another one bites the dust.  I have always said the following about 
hiring and firing:
I have (with the exception of one guy) never regretted firing anyone.  
Almost always have wished I had done it sooner.
Firing makes your company stronger if done right.  Your coworkers see 
that you are not letting toxic or slacker people continue to be employed.

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:53 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

You're not leaving him stranded in the desert, just telling him what 
time the ride is.  My only question would be whether you are required 
to pay him for the time he's just sitting there.  His time isn't 
really his own at that point.


As an optics thing it won't play well.   Might have been better to 
wait until the end of the work day.


On 8/19/2020 1:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
My supervisor fired a problem employee at a construction site this 
morning.  We have had lots of problems with this guy and I was glad 
to see him go.  We hauled him to the job site and now he wants 
someone to take him back to our office to get his vehicle.  I cannot 
spare a person or vehicle at that site.  I don’t want to send someone 
special over to that site to haul him.  Both the supervisor and I 
told him he can sit on the side of the street until we are done for 
the day and we will take him back.
He has his brother now calling and threatening police action, saying 
it is Utah law that you have to give him a ride.
Not sure about that.  If he was not such a dick I would have probably 
sent someone to get him.  I don’t want to do it, I don’t want to send 
any of the women.
Anyone every heard that you have a legal duty to immediately 
transport someone back to their vehicle if you terminate them?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

[Cameron Crum]

Just curious what kind of data you need for an air compressor?

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:51 AM TJ Trout  wrote:

> apc uses rj10's for usb..
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 9:46 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Apparently modbus is a data protocol, not a physical layer standard, but
>> yes it could go over RS485.  I don’t see how a simple cable could convert
>> from USB to RS485.  I sure hope for $200 you are getting a dongle, not an
>> expensive cable.
>>
>>
>>
>> The connector you are referring to, is that a 4 pin modular plug, like
>> used on the handset cord for a phone?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:27 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT odd data connection
>>
>>
>>
>> On one of my large portable air compressors, there is a data port.  They
>> sell an adapter cable for about $200  It adapts it to USB.  The program
>> that you use to talk to it makes reference to modbus.
>>
>>
>>
>> The data port has 4 pins.  RJ-10 4p4c connector.
>>
>> +5 with enough current to light an incandescent light bulb.
>>
>> +5 low current
>>
>> +5 low current
>>
>> Ground
>>
>>
>>
>> This sounds like USB host to me.  One of my sons think it is RS-485
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t think USB would be happy on a RJ-10 and utp wire.  Maybe it
>> would.  Maybe I am just buying a piece of wire with two connectors on the
>> ends.
>>
>>
>>
>> The controller it plugs into is $2000 so I don’t want to experiment on
>> that.  Be interesting to see the adapter cable when it gets here.  See if
>> there are any active components.  I would have probably just wired it up to
>> a USB and tried it if my son had not made the modbus/RS485 comment.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any guesses?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

[dave]

Ive done alot with Modbus on arduino products interfacing with anything 
that speaks modbus.

I have a server I que or add each thing I want to monitor or review.
Temps, Humidity power levels or presence of are the main ones.



On 8/19/20 11:26 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
On one of my large portable air compressors, there is a data port.  
They sell an adapter cable for about $200  It adapts it to USB.  The 
program that you use to talk to it makes reference to modbus.

The data port has 4 pins.  RJ-10 4p4c connector.
+5 with enough current to light an incandescent light bulb.
+5 low current
+5 low current
Ground
This sounds like USB host to me.  One of my sons think it is RS-485
I don’t think USB would be happy on a RJ-10 and utp wire.  Maybe it 
would.  Maybe I am just buying a piece of wire with two connectors on 
the ends.
The controller it plugs into is $2000 so I don’t want to experiment on 
that.  Be interesting to see the adapter cable when it gets here.  See 
if there are any active components. I would have probably just wired 
it up to a USB and tried it if my son had not made the modbus/RS485 
comment.

Any guesses?



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Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[Jason McKemie]

Calix is MUCH cheaper to get into than Plume, with lower minimums.  They
(Calix) were also running a WISP special earlier this year, I'm unsure if
it is still going on, but the upfront pricing was much more attractive.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 8:27 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> what's the per sub cost approx for these solutions?
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:10 PM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> We chose Plume, the customer app and the ISP cloud panel runs circles
>> around Calix’s
>>
>>
>>
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>> 
>>   [image: yt-logo]
>> 
>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Carl Peterson <
>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:29 PM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>>
>>
>>
>> We use Plume and its pretty good.  If the decision were entirely in my
>> court I'd have gone with Calix.  Long term it aligns better with where I
>> think the company should be going - all fiber all the time, but if all you
>> are looking for is simple wifi that works then Plume is pretty good.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>
>> We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some of our more
>> demanding clients that either have big homes, or just want the best. We
>> currently use Mikrotik HAP AC Lite which don't have great coverage, but
>> great features for us in terms of management.
>>
>>
>>
>> So for those that need more coverage etc, we thought we could offer
>> something for a monthly fee like Plume or Calix
>>
>> Has anyone used them before? Thoughts and comments?
>>
>> https://www.plume.com/products/
>> 
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

[chuck]

It is a way to get in and set parameters and options, like remote start or 
remote loading. 

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 1:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

Just curious what kind of data you need for an air compressor?

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:51 AM TJ Trout  wrote:

  apc uses rj10's for usb..

  On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 9:46 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Apparently modbus is a data protocol, not a physical layer standard, but 
yes it could go over RS485.  I don’t see how a simple cable could convert from 
USB to RS485.  I sure hope for $200 you are getting a dongle, not an expensive 
cable.



The connector you are referring to, is that a 4 pin modular plug, like used 
on the handset cord for a phone?



From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:27 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection



On one of my large portable air compressors, there is a data port.  They 
sell an adapter cable for about $200  It adapts it to USB.  The program that 
you use to talk to it makes reference to modbus.



The data port has 4 pins.  RJ-10 4p4c connector.

+5 with enough current to light an incandescent light bulb.

+5 low current

+5 low current

Ground



This sounds like USB host to me.  One of my sons think it is RS-485  



I don’t think USB would be happy on a RJ-10 and utp wire.  Maybe it would.  
Maybe I am just buying a piece of wire with two connectors on the ends.  



The controller it plugs into is $2000 so I don’t want to experiment on 
that.  Be interesting to see the adapter cable when it gets here.  See if there 
are any active components.  I would have probably just wired it up to a USB and 
tried it if my son had not made the modbus/RS485 comment. 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

[Mark Radabaugh]

RS-485 is current loop rather than voltage.   Easily converted to RS-232 and 
back.

Modbus is a communication protocol using formatted text strings.  It’s pretty 
simple to read and write programatically.I have written a few BASIC 
programs to do so (I date myself).  Any programming language that can process 
text strings can speak Modbus with a little work.

Modbus+ is a higher speed synchronously timed protocol that is considerably 
more involved to work with.

Mark

> On Aug 19, 2020, at 4:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> It is a way to get in and set parameters and options, like remote start or 
> remote loading.
>  
> From: Cameron Crum <>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 1:57 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection
>  
> Just curious what kind of data you need for an air compressor?
>  
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:51 AM TJ Trout > wrote:
>> apc uses rj10's for usb..
>>  
>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 9:46 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote:
>>> Apparently modbus is a data protocol, not a physical layer standard, but 
>>> yes it could go over RS485.  I don’t see how a simple cable could convert 
>>> from USB to RS485.  I sure hope for $200 you are getting a dongle, not an 
>>> expensive cable.
>>>  
>>> The connector you are referring to, is that a 4 pin modular plug, like used 
>>> on the handset cord for a phone?
>>>  
>>> From: AF > On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com <>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:27 AM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com <>
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection
>>>  
>>> On one of my large portable air compressors, there is a data port.  They 
>>> sell an adapter cable for about $200  It adapts it to USB.  The program 
>>> that you use to talk to it makes reference to modbus.
>>>  
>>> The data port has 4 pins.  RJ-10 4p4c connector.
>>> +5 with enough current to light an incandescent light bulb.
>>> +5 low current
>>> +5 low current
>>> Ground
>>>  
>>> This sounds like USB host to me.  One of my sons think it is RS-485 
>>>  
>>> I don’t think USB would be happy on a RJ-10 and utp wire.  Maybe it would.  
>>> Maybe I am just buying a piece of wire with two connectors on the ends. 
>>>  
>>> The controller it plugs into is $2000 so I don’t want to experiment on 
>>> that.  Be interesting to see the adapter cable when it gets here.  See if 
>>> there are any active components.  I would have probably just wired it up to 
>>> a USB and tried it if my son had not made the modbus/RS485 comment.
>>>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

[Steve Jones]

Sometimes, some guys, its just better to have a workplace accident and be
done with it

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:26 PM Robert  wrote:

> One of the reasons I have always liked companies that start all newbies
> with a trusted(by you) mentor.  That mentor can usually make the call
> within days of the hiring of the value of the newbie.  One week and one
> month review between you and the mentor.   Your choice on disclosure of the
> newbie's status via the mentor at the start.  But formally assigned to the
> mentor upon hiring...
>
> On 8/19/20 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> It would have been cheaper to have paid him to sit on the side of the
> street for the rest of the day.  And my wife just told me that he has not
> even been with us 30 days yet.  I got a creepy feeling about him from the
> get – go.  Was way too familiar with me for my liking.  (I think I will
> adopt the Ellen rule:  no eye contact for the first 10 years...)
>
> Another one bites the dust.  I have always said the following about hiring
> and firing:
> I have (with the exception of one guy) never regretted firing anyone.
> Almost always have wished I had done it sooner.
>
> Firing makes your company stronger if done right.  Your coworkers see that
> you are not letting toxic or slacker people continue to be employed.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:53 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy
>
>
> You're not leaving him stranded in the desert, just telling him what time
> the ride is.  My only question would be whether you are required to pay him
> for the time he's just sitting there.  His time isn't really his own at
> that point.
>
> As an optics thing it won't play well.   Might have been better to wait
> until the end of the work day.
>
>
> On 8/19/2020 1:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> My supervisor fired a problem employee at a construction site this
> morning.  We have had lots of problems with this guy and I was glad to see
> him go.  We hauled him to the job site and now he wants someone to take him
> back to our office to get his vehicle.  I cannot spare a person or vehicle
> at that site.  I don’t want to send someone special over to that site to
> haul him.  Both the supervisor and I told him he can sit on the side of the
> street until we are done for the day and we will take him back.
>
> He has his brother now calling and threatening police action, saying it is
> Utah law that you have to give him a ride.
>
> Not sure about that.  If he was not such a dick I would have probably sent
> someone to get him.  I don’t want to do it, I don’t want to send any of the
> women.
>
> Anyone every heard that you have a legal duty to immediately transport
> someone back to their vehicle if you terminate them?
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[AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

[Nate Burke]

Anybody have secrets for locating mud filled conduit?  Trying to locate 
a 1" poly with a non-toneable fiber installed in it. No trace wire 
installed. Conduit is full of Mud, and at the bottom of a handhole that 
is also filled with Mud.  Conduit goes from handhole under a parking 
lot, so digging to find it isn't an option either. We were not involved 
in the installation of this conduit, but it is now our problem.


We got a flat steel fish tape pushed in just far enough to finish the 
current locate request, but it's not going any farther.  At some point 
in the future I'm probably going to get a locate request further down 
the conduit path.  What super-secret method do you guys that live and 
breath underground work have for dealing with this?


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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

[chuck]

But you said you were busy...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

Sometimes, some guys, its just better to have a workplace accident and be done 
with it

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:26 PM Robert  wrote:

  One of the reasons I have always liked companies that start all newbies with 
a trusted(by you) mentor.  That mentor can usually make the call within days of 
the hiring of the value of the newbie.  One week and one month review between 
you and the mentor.   Your choice on disclosure of the newbie's status via the 
mentor at the start.  But formally assigned to the mentor upon hiring...


  On 8/19/20 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

It would have been cheaper to have paid him to sit on the side of the 
street for the rest of the day.  And my wife just told me that he has not even 
been with us 30 days yet.  I got a creepy feeling about him from the get – go.  
Was way too familiar with me for my liking.  (I think I will adopt the Ellen 
rule:  no eye contact for the first 10 years...)

Another one bites the dust.  I have always said the following about hiring 
and firing:
I have (with the exception of one guy) never regretted firing anyone.  
Almost always have wished I had done it sooner.  

Firing makes your company stronger if done right.  Your coworkers see that 
you are not letting toxic or slacker people continue to be employed.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:53 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

You're not leaving him stranded in the desert, just telling him what time 
the ride is.  My only question would be whether you are required to pay him for 
the time he's just sitting there.  His time isn't really his own at that point. 


As an optics thing it won't play well.   Might have been better to wait 
until the end of the work day.




On 8/19/2020 1:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  My supervisor fired a problem employee at a construction site this 
morning.  We have had lots of problems with this guy and I was glad to see him 
go.  We hauled him to the job site and now he wants someone to take him back to 
our office to get his vehicle.  I cannot spare a person or vehicle at that 
site.  I don’t want to send someone special over to that site to haul him.  
Both the supervisor and I told him he can sit on the side of the street until 
we are done for the day and we will take him back.  

  He has his brother now calling and threatening police action, saying it 
is Utah law that you have to give him a ride.  

  Not sure about that.  If he was not such a dick I would have probably 
sent someone to get him.  I don’t want to do it, I don’t want to send any of 
the women.  

  Anyone every heard that you have a legal duty to immediately transport 
someone back to their vehicle if you terminate them?

   


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Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

[TJ Trout]

Can you vacuum a shopping bag with a tiny wire attached?

All the best,

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On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 2:21 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Anybody have secrets for locating mud filled conduit?  Trying to locate
> a 1" poly with a non-toneable fiber installed in it. No trace wire
> installed. Conduit is full of Mud, and at the bottom of a handhole that
> is also filled with Mud.  Conduit goes from handhole under a parking
> lot, so digging to find it isn't an option either. We were not involved
> in the installation of this conduit, but it is now our problem.
>
> We got a flat steel fish tape pushed in just far enough to finish the
> current locate request, but it's not going any farther.  At some point
> in the future I'm probably going to get a locate request further down
> the conduit path.  What super-secret method do you guys that live and
> breath underground work have for dealing with this?
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Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

[chuck]

Use compressed air to blow water through it.  Once you get it flushed your 
fish tape might go.


-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:19 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

Anybody have secrets for locating mud filled conduit?  Trying to locate
a 1" poly with a non-toneable fiber installed in it. No trace wire
installed. Conduit is full of Mud, and at the bottom of a handhole that
is also filled with Mud.  Conduit goes from handhole under a parking
lot, so digging to find it isn't an option either. We were not involved
in the installation of this conduit, but it is now our problem.

We got a flat steel fish tape pushed in just far enough to finish the
current locate request, but it's not going any farther.  At some point
in the future I'm probably going to get a locate request further down
the conduit path.  What super-secret method do you guys that live and
breath underground work have for dealing with this?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

[castarritt]

Maybe you weren't the only one that needed to terminate an employee today?

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:29 PM  wrote:

> But you said you were busy...
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:14 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy
>
> Sometimes, some guys, its just better to have a workplace accident and be
> done with it
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:26 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> One of the reasons I have always liked companies that start all newbies
>> with a trusted(by you) mentor.  That mentor can usually make the call
>> within days of the hiring of the value of the newbie.  One week and one
>> month review between you and the mentor.   Your choice on disclosure of the
>> newbie's status via the mentor at the start.  But formally assigned to the
>> mentor upon hiring...
>>
>> On 8/19/20 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> It would have been cheaper to have paid him to sit on the side of the
>> street for the rest of the day.  And my wife just told me that he has not
>> even been with us 30 days yet.  I got a creepy feeling about him from the
>> get – go.  Was way too familiar with me for my liking.  (I think I will
>> adopt the Ellen rule:  no eye contact for the first 10 years...)
>>
>> Another one bites the dust.  I have always said the following about
>> hiring and firing:
>> I have (with the exception of one guy) never regretted firing anyone.
>> Almost always have wished I had done it sooner.
>>
>> Firing makes your company stronger if done right.  Your coworkers see
>> that you are not letting toxic or slacker people continue to be employed.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:53 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy
>>
>>
>> You're not leaving him stranded in the desert, just telling him what time
>> the ride is.  My only question would be whether you are required to pay him
>> for the time he's just sitting there.  His time isn't really his own at
>> that point.
>>
>> As an optics thing it won't play well.   Might have been better to wait
>> until the end of the work day.
>>
>>
>> On 8/19/2020 1:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> My supervisor fired a problem employee at a construction site this
>> morning.  We have had lots of problems with this guy and I was glad to see
>> him go.  We hauled him to the job site and now he wants someone to take him
>> back to our office to get his vehicle.  I cannot spare a person or vehicle
>> at that site.  I don’t want to send someone special over to that site to
>> haul him.  Both the supervisor and I told him he can sit on the side of the
>> street until we are done for the day and we will take him back.
>>
>> He has his brother now calling and threatening police action, saying it
>> is Utah law that you have to give him a ride.
>>
>> Not sure about that.  If he was not such a dick I would have probably
>> sent someone to get him.  I don’t want to do it, I don’t want to send any
>> of the women.
>>
>> Anyone every heard that you have a legal duty to immediately transport
>> someone back to their vehicle if you terminate them?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

[Nate Burke]

How do you seal it up with the existing fiber in there to be able to 
blow it?  How much PSI do you use?  Will a portable air compressor be 
enough?  Other end of the conduit is in a building, so I can only blow 
the mud 1 way :)


On 8/19/2020 4:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Use compressed air to blow water through it.  Once you get it flushed 
your fish tape might go.


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:19 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

Anybody have secrets for locating mud filled conduit?  Trying to locate
a 1" poly with a non-toneable fiber installed in it. No trace wire
installed. Conduit is full of Mud, and at the bottom of a handhole that
is also filled with Mud.  Conduit goes from handhole under a parking
lot, so digging to find it isn't an option either. We were not involved
in the installation of this conduit, but it is now our problem.

We got a flat steel fish tape pushed in just far enough to finish the
current locate request, but it's not going any farther.  At some point
in the future I'm probably going to get a locate request further down
the conduit path.  What super-secret method do you guys that live and
breath underground work have for dealing with this?




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Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[Josh Baird]

Really?  That is upsetting.  Calix's up-front cost for their full cloud
based solution isn't super cheap.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:24 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Calix is MUCH cheaper to get into than Plume, with lower minimums.  They
> (Calix) were also running a WISP special earlier this year, I'm unsure if
> it is still going on, but the upfront pricing was much more attractive.
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 8:27 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> what's the per sub cost approx for these solutions?
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:10 PM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We chose Plume, the customer app and the ISP cloud panel runs circles
>>> around Calix’s
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino*
>>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>>> @gvillarini
>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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>>>  [image: fb-logo]
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>>> 
>>>   [image: yt-logo]
>>> 
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>>>
>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Carl Peterson <
>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:29 PM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We use Plume and its pretty good.  If the decision were entirely in my
>>> court I'd have gone with Calix.  Long term it aligns better with where I
>>> think the company should be going - all fiber all the time, but if all you
>>> are looking for is simple wifi that works then Plume is pretty good.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>>
>>> We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some of our more
>>> demanding clients that either have big homes, or just want the best. We
>>> currently use Mikrotik HAP AC Lite which don't have great coverage, but
>>> great features for us in terms of management.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So for those that need more coverage etc, we thought we could offer
>>> something for a monthly fee like Plume or Calix
>>>
>>> Has anyone used them before? Thoughts and comments?
>>>
>>> https://www.plume.com/products/
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[Adam Moffett]

Calix is affordable, Calix is expensive.  Both true.

Calix has a lot of options so there's a wide range of possible pricing.  
If you got a quote for the whole salad bar then it's not going to look good.



On 8/19/2020 5:36 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
Really?  That is upsetting.  Calix's up-front cost for their full 
cloud based solution isn't super cheap.


On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:24 PM Jason McKemie 
> wrote:


Calix is MUCH cheaper to get into than Plume, with lower
minimums.  They (Calix) were also running a WISP special earlier
this year, I'm unsure if it is still going on, but the upfront
pricing was much more attractive.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 8:27 PM TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

what's the per sub cost approx for these solutions?

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:10 PM Gino A. Villarini
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

We chose Plume, the customer app and the ISP cloud panel
runs circles around Calix’s

*GinoVillarini
*Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204

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*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Date: *Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:29 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

We use Plume and its pretty good.  If the decision were
entirely in my court I'd have gone with Calix.  Long term
it aligns better with where I think the company should be
going - all fiber all the time, but if all you are looking
for is simple wifi that works then Plume is pretty good.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Sam Lambie
mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some
of our more demanding clients that either have big
homes, or just want the best. We currently use
Mikrotik HAP AC Lite which don't have great coverage,
but great features for us in terms of management.

So for those that need more coverage etc, we thought
we could offer something for a monthly fee like Plume
or Calix

Has anyone used them before? Thoughts and comments?

https://www.plume.com/products/



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Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[chuck]

I only eat the pickled beets and garbanzo beans.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:39 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

Calix is affordable, Calix is expensive.  Both true.


Calix has a lot of options so there's a wide range of possible pricing.  If you 
got a quote for the whole salad bar then it's not going to look good.




On 8/19/2020 5:36 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

  Really?  That is upsetting.  Calix's up-front cost for their full cloud based 
solution isn't super cheap.

  On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:24 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

Calix is MUCH cheaper to get into than Plume, with lower minimums.  They 
(Calix) were also running a WISP special earlier this year, I'm unsure if it is 
still going on, but the upfront pricing was much more attractive.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 8:27 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

  what's the per sub cost approx for these solutions? 

  On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:10 PM Gino A. Villarini  
wrote:

We chose Plume, the customer app and the ISP cloud panel runs circles 
around Calix’s



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From: AF  on behalf of Carl Peterson 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi



We use Plume and its pretty good.  If the decision were entirely in my 
court I'd have gone with Calix.  Long term it aligns better with where I think 
the company should be going - all fiber all the time, but if all you are 
looking for is simple wifi that works then Plume is pretty good.  



On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:

  We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some of our more 
demanding clients that either have big homes, or just want the best. We 
currently use Mikrotik HAP AC Lite which don't have great coverage, but great 
features for us in terms of management.



  So for those that need more coverage etc, we thought we could offer 
something for a monthly fee like Plume or Calix

  Has anyone used them before? Thoughts and comments?

  https://www.plume.com/products/







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Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

[chuck]

I have a clamp thing that clamps over the duct and cable and seals it all 
up.  It has an air port coming in from the side.  And I use a 375 CFM 150 
psi compressor.


I am guessing you could slip a copper tube down the duct and tape the crap 
out of everything with black vinyl tape.  Just use as much air as you can 
get.  Be sure to inject as much water as you can inject first.


-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

How do you seal it up with the existing fiber in there to be able to
blow it?  How much PSI do you use?  Will a portable air compressor be
enough?  Other end of the conduit is in a building, so I can only blow
the mud 1 way :)

On 8/19/2020 4:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Use compressed air to blow water through it.  Once you get it flushed your 
fish tape might go.


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:19 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

Anybody have secrets for locating mud filled conduit?  Trying to locate
a 1" poly with a non-toneable fiber installed in it. No trace wire
installed. Conduit is full of Mud, and at the bottom of a handhole that
is also filled with Mud.  Conduit goes from handhole under a parking
lot, so digging to find it isn't an option either. We were not involved
in the installation of this conduit, but it is now our problem.

We got a flat steel fish tape pushed in just far enough to finish the
current locate request, but it's not going any farther.  At some point
in the future I'm probably going to get a locate request further down
the conduit path.  What super-secret method do you guys that live and
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Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

[chuck]

You might get away with sealing it up really good where the fiber exits and 
then making a hole in the side of the duct small enough for the tip of an 
air blower.  Not sure how much air you will get this way but easy to try. 
Use mastic and then tape to seal it.  You might be able to couple a pressure 
washer to it too.


-Original Message- 
From: ch...@wbmfg.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 4:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

I have a clamp thing that clamps over the duct and cable and seals it all
up.  It has an air port coming in from the side.  And I use a 375 CFM 150
psi compressor.

I am guessing you could slip a copper tube down the duct and tape the crap
out of everything with black vinyl tape.  Just use as much air as you can
get.  Be sure to inject as much water as you can inject first.

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

How do you seal it up with the existing fiber in there to be able to
blow it?  How much PSI do you use?  Will a portable air compressor be
enough?  Other end of the conduit is in a building, so I can only blow
the mud 1 way :)

On 8/19/2020 4:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Use compressed air to blow water through it.  Once you get it flushed your 
fish tape might go.


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:19 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

Anybody have secrets for locating mud filled conduit?  Trying to locate
a 1" poly with a non-toneable fiber installed in it. No trace wire
installed. Conduit is full of Mud, and at the bottom of a handhole that
is also filled with Mud.  Conduit goes from handhole under a parking
lot, so digging to find it isn't an option either. We were not involved
in the installation of this conduit, but it is now our problem.

We got a flat steel fish tape pushed in just far enough to finish the
current locate request, but it's not going any farther.  At some point
in the future I'm probably going to get a locate request further down
the conduit path.  What super-secret method do you guys that live and
breath underground work have for dealing with this?




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Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

[Mark Radabaugh]

Something like this:  https://www.gmptools.com/cable-overblowing-junction-box/ 


Put the real cable in the one side and block the other port or use it for 
water.  Hum…  water going backwards through the compressor isn’t a great idea.  
And pushing air back the water supply isn’t great.   OK, fill it with water and 
block the other port.   Add air and wait.  Once you have half decent airflow 
change to water.

Mark

> On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:06 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> You might get away with sealing it up really good where the fiber exits and 
> then making a hole in the side of the duct small enough for the tip of an air 
> blower.  Not sure how much air you will get this way but easy to try. Use 
> mastic and then tape to seal it.  You might be able to couple a pressure 
> washer to it too.
> 
> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 4:00 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit
> 
> I have a clamp thing that clamps over the duct and cable and seals it all
> up.  It has an air port coming in from the side.  And I use a 375 CFM 150
> psi compressor.
> 
> I am guessing you could slip a copper tube down the duct and tape the crap
> out of everything with black vinyl tape.  Just use as much air as you can
> get.  Be sure to inject as much water as you can inject first.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:32 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit
> 
> How do you seal it up with the existing fiber in there to be able to
> blow it?  How much PSI do you use?  Will a portable air compressor be
> enough?  Other end of the conduit is in a building, so I can only blow
> the mud 1 way :)
> 
> On 8/19/2020 4:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Use compressed air to blow water through it.  Once you get it flushed your 
>> fish tape might go.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:19 PM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit
>> 
>> Anybody have secrets for locating mud filled conduit?  Trying to locate
>> a 1" poly with a non-toneable fiber installed in it. No trace wire
>> installed. Conduit is full of Mud, and at the bottom of a handhole that
>> is also filled with Mud.  Conduit goes from handhole under a parking
>> lot, so digging to find it isn't an option either. We were not involved
>> in the installation of this conduit, but it is now our problem.
>> 
>> We got a flat steel fish tape pushed in just far enough to finish the
>> current locate request, but it's not going any farther.  At some point
>> in the future I'm probably going to get a locate request further down
>> the conduit path.  What super-secret method do you guys that live and
>> breath underground work have for dealing with this?
>> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

[Mark Radabaugh]

You still need a way to get air in the duct.   Either this: 
https://www.gmptools.com/innerduct-pressurization-test-kit/ 
  or this 
https://www.gmptools.com/line-blowing/  
to attach to the compressor.   Neither tool is very expensive (relative to the 
stupid price of most things fiber)

Mark

> On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> Something like this:  
> https://www.gmptools.com/cable-overblowing-junction-box/ 
> 
> 
> Put the real cable in the one side and block the other port or use it for 
> water.  Hum…  water going backwards through the compressor isn’t a great 
> idea.  And pushing air back the water supply isn’t great.   OK, fill it with 
> water and block the other port.   Add air and wait.  Once you have half 
> decent airflow change to water.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:06 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>> 
>> You might get away with sealing it up really good where the fiber exits and 
>> then making a hole in the side of the duct small enough for the tip of an 
>> air blower.  Not sure how much air you will get this way but easy to try. 
>> Use mastic and then tape to seal it.  You might be able to couple a pressure 
>> washer to it too.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 4:00 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit
>> 
>> I have a clamp thing that clamps over the duct and cable and seals it all
>> up.  It has an air port coming in from the side.  And I use a 375 CFM 150
>> psi compressor.
>> 
>> I am guessing you could slip a copper tube down the duct and tape the crap
>> out of everything with black vinyl tape.  Just use as much air as you can
>> get.  Be sure to inject as much water as you can inject first.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:32 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit
>> 
>> How do you seal it up with the existing fiber in there to be able to
>> blow it?  How much PSI do you use?  Will a portable air compressor be
>> enough?  Other end of the conduit is in a building, so I can only blow
>> the mud 1 way :)
>> 
>> On 8/19/2020 4:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>>> Use compressed air to blow water through it.  Once you get it flushed your 
>>> fish tape might go.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:19 PM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit
>>> 
>>> Anybody have secrets for locating mud filled conduit?  Trying to locate
>>> a 1" poly with a non-toneable fiber installed in it. No trace wire
>>> installed. Conduit is full of Mud, and at the bottom of a handhole that
>>> is also filled with Mud.  Conduit goes from handhole under a parking
>>> lot, so digging to find it isn't an option either. We were not involved
>>> in the installation of this conduit, but it is now our problem.
>>> 
>>> We got a flat steel fish tape pushed in just far enough to finish the
>>> current locate request, but it's not going any farther.  At some point
>>> in the future I'm probably going to get a locate request further down
>>> the conduit path.  What super-secret method do you guys that live and
>>> breath underground work have for dealing with this?
>>> 
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[AFMUG] GIS VetroMap Contract Help wanted

[Sterling Jacobson]

I need someone with some time this month and next, to help my team correctly 
populate VetroMap for our fiber plant.

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Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

[Ken Hohhof]

Is it normal for the duct to be full of mud?  That seems ungood.  I’m also 
assuming the fiber in that duct is carrying traffic and it would be very bad to 
break it and then not be able to replace it.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 5:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

 

You still need a way to get air in the duct.   Either this: 
https://www.gmptools.com/innerduct-pressurization-test-kit/  or this 
https://www.gmptools.com/line-blowing/ to attach to the compressor.   Neither 
tool is very expensive (relative to the stupid price of most things fiber)

 

Mark





On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

 

Something like this:  https://www.gmptools.com/cable-overblowing-junction-box/

 

Put the real cable in the one side and block the other port or use it for 
water.  Hum…  water going backwards through the compressor isn’t a great idea.  
And pushing air back the water supply isn’t great.   OK, fill it with water and 
block the other port.   Add air and wait.  Once you have half decent airflow 
change to water.

 

Mark





On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:06 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

 

You might get away with sealing it up really good where the fiber exits and 
then making a hole in the side of the duct small enough for the tip of an air 
blower.  Not sure how much air you will get this way but easy to try. Use 
mastic and then tape to seal it.  You might be able to couple a pressure washer 
to it too.

-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 4:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

I have a clamp thing that clamps over the duct and cable and seals it all
up.  It has an air port coming in from the side.  And I use a 375 CFM 150
psi compressor.

I am guessing you could slip a copper tube down the duct and tape the crap
out of everything with black vinyl tape.  Just use as much air as you can
get.  Be sure to inject as much water as you can inject first.

-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

How do you seal it up with the existing fiber in there to be able to
blow it?  How much PSI do you use?  Will a portable air compressor be
enough?  Other end of the conduit is in a building, so I can only blow
the mud 1 way :)

On 8/19/2020 4:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:



Use compressed air to blow water through it.  Once you get it flushed your fish 
tape might go.

-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:19 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

Anybody have secrets for locating mud filled conduit?  Trying to locate
a 1" poly with a non-toneable fiber installed in it. No trace wire
installed. Conduit is full of Mud, and at the bottom of a handhole that
is also filled with Mud.  Conduit goes from handhole under a parking
lot, so digging to find it isn't an option either. We were not involved
in the installation of this conduit, but it is now our problem.

We got a flat steel fish tape pushed in just far enough to finish the
current locate request, but it's not going any farther.  At some point
in the future I'm probably going to get a locate request further down
the conduit path.  What super-secret method do you guys that live and
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Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[Ken Hohhof]

No and yes.

 

I still remember the dorm cafeteria at college and they would have beans and 
beets on the same day and you would say beans but they would pretend to hear 
beets and put a scoop of the horrible things on your tray.  So we learned to 
say “red” or “green” instead.

 

College kids today don’t know how good they have it in the food department.  50 
years ago when I was eating college cafeteria food, it was like the mess tent 
scenes in MASH.  Hey Klinger, put some of those powdered eggs on my metal tray.

 

Oh, and good thing you called them garbanzo beans, evidently chickpea is now a 
meme.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 5:01 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

 

I only eat the pickled beets and garbanzo beans.  

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:39 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

 

Calix is affordable, Calix is expensive.  Both true.

Calix has a lot of options so there's a wide range of possible pricing.  If you 
got a quote for the whole salad bar then it's not going to look good.

 

On 8/19/2020 5:36 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

Really?  That is upsetting.  Calix's up-front cost for their full cloud based 
solution isn't super cheap.

 

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:24 PM Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

Calix is MUCH cheaper to get into than Plume, with lower minimums.  They 
(Calix) were also running a WISP special earlier this year, I'm unsure if it is 
still going on, but the upfront pricing was much more attractive.

 

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 8:27 PM TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote:

what's the per sub cost approx for these solutions? 

 

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:10 PM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

We chose Plume, the customer app and the ISP cloud panel runs circles around 
Calix’s

 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 


  

  

   

   

   

 

  

   



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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

 

We use Plume and its pretty good.  If the decision were entirely in my court 
I'd have gone with Calix.  Long term it aligns better with where I think the 
company should be going - all fiber all the time, but if all you are looking 
for is simple wifi that works then Plume is pretty good.  

 

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some of our more demanding 
clients that either have big homes, or just want the best. We currently use 
Mikrotik HAP AC Lite which don't have great coverage, but great features for us 
in terms of management.

 

So for those that need more coverage etc, we thought we could offer something 
for a monthly fee like Plume or Calix

Has anyone used them before? Thoughts and comments?

  
https://www.plume.com/products/

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

[Matt Corcoran]

Not quite related,  but I just found out that Microtik(linux) has built in 
drivers for common Arduino serial chips.  I setup an Arduino to monitor 4 
different voltages at our solar site.  Our NMS just SSHs to the 
microtik(special login) to pull the average voltages and graph them.I was 
happy to not add any more equipment other than the power sipping Arduino.



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From: AF  on behalf of dave 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 4:19 PM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

Ive done alot with Modbus on arduino products interfacing with anything that 
speaks modbus.
I have a server I que or add each thing I want to monitor or review.
Temps, Humidity power levels or presence of are the main ones.


[cid:image002.jpg@01D67661.4C1DE060]
On 8/19/20 11:26 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
On one of my large portable air compressors, there is a data port.  They sell 
an adapter cable for about $200  It adapts it to USB.  The program that you use 
to talk to it makes reference to modbus.

The data port has 4 pins.  RJ-10 4p4c connector.
+5 with enough current to light an incandescent light bulb.
+5 low current
+5 low current
Ground

This sounds like USB host to me.  One of my sons think it is RS-485

I don’t think USB would be happy on a RJ-10 and utp wire.  Maybe it would.  
Maybe I am just buying a piece of wire with two connectors on the ends.

The controller it plugs into is $2000 so I don’t want to experiment on that.  
Be interesting to see the adapter cable when it gets here.  See if there are 
any active components.  I would have probably just wired it up to a USB and 
tried it if my son had not made the modbus/RS485 comment.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

[Mark Radabaugh]

Cool - it’s still around:  https://modbus.org/docs/PI_MBUS_300.pdf 


ASCII is easy to build, RTU a little tougher due to the timing requirements.

This brings back some memories…  probably happily forgotten.

The protocol was originally designed for talking to Modicon Programmable Logic 
Controllers.The documentation has lots of references to specific 
controllers like 384, 484, 984, etc.  

Read Coil, Read Input, Force Coil, etc. all refer to reading or setting an 
individual real world input/output or storage bit on or off. 

Registers are words (integers normally, but can be anything).

You need detailed descriptions of the mapping of addresses on the devices you 
want to control to be able to understand what you are controlling.

Mark

> On Aug 19, 2020, at 7:45 PM, Matt Corcoran  wrote:
> 
> Not quite related,  but I just found out that Microtik(linux) has built in 
> drivers for common Arduino serial chips.  I setup an Arduino to monitor 4 
> different voltages at our solar site.  Our NMS just SSHs to the 
> microtik(special login) to pull the average voltages and graph them.I was 
> happy to not add any more equipment other than the power sipping Arduino.
>  
>  
>  
> Matt Corcoran   |   Network Engineer
> m...@stratospeed.com    |  231-680-0062
>  
>  
>  
> www.stratospeed.com |231-774-2112
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf 
> of dave mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>>
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 4:19 PM
> To: "af@af.afmug.com "  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection
>  
> Ive done alot with Modbus on arduino products interfacing with anything that 
> speaks modbus.
> I have a server I que or add each thing I want to monitor or review. 
> Temps, Humidity power levels or presence of are the main ones. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/19/20 11:26 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>> On one of my large portable air compressors, there is a data port.  They 
>> sell an adapter cable for about $200  It adapts it to USB.  The program that 
>> you use to talk to it makes reference to modbus.
>>  
>> The data port has 4 pins.  RJ-10 4p4c connector.
>> +5 with enough current to light an incandescent light bulb.
>> +5 low current
>> +5 low current
>> Ground
>>  
>> This sounds like USB host to me.  One of my sons think it is RS-485 
>>  
>> I don’t think USB would be happy on a RJ-10 and utp wire.  Maybe it would.  
>> Maybe I am just buying a piece of wire with two connectors on the ends. 
>>  
>> The controller it plugs into is $2000 so I don’t want to experiment on that. 
>>  Be interesting to see the adapter cable when it gets here.  See if there 
>> are any active components.  I would have probably just wired it up to a USB 
>> and tried it if my son had not made the modbus/RS485 comment.
>>  
>> Any guesses?
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

[Robert]

typically how you talk to solar charge controllers...

On 8/19/20 5:40 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Cool - it’s still around: https://modbus.org/docs/PI_MBUS_300.pdf

ASCII is easy to build, RTU a little tougher due to the timing 
requirements.


This brings back some memories…  probably happily forgotten.

The protocol was originally designed for talking to Modicon 
Programmable Logic Controllers.    The documentation has lots of 
references to specific controllers like 384, 484, 984, etc.


Read Coil, Read Input, Force Coil, etc. all refer to reading or 
setting an individual real world input/output or storage bit on or off.


Registers are words (integers normally, but can be anything).

You need detailed descriptions of the mapping of addresses on the 
devices you want to control to be able to understand what you are 
controlling.


Mark

On Aug 19, 2020, at 7:45 PM, Matt Corcoran > wrote:


Not quite related,  but I just found out that Microtik(linux) has 
built in drivers for common Arduino serial chips. I setup an 
Arduino to monitor 4 different voltages at our solar site.  Our NMS 
just SSHs to the microtik(special login) to pull the average voltages 
and graph them.    I was happy to not add any more equipment other 
than the power sipping Arduino.

*Matt Corcoran*  |   Network Engineer
m...@stratospeed.com   |  231-680-0062
 
www.stratospeed.com    |    231-774-2112
*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
on behalf of dave mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>>
*Reply-To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >

*Date:*Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 4:19 PM
*To:*"af@af.afmug.com " >

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

Ive done alot with Modbus on arduino products interfacing with 
anything that speaks modbus.

I have a server I que or add each thing I want to monitor or review.
Temps, Humidity power levels or presence of are the main ones.



On 8/19/20 11:26 AM,ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
On one of my large portable air compressors, there is a data port.  
They sell an adapter cable for about $200  It adapts it to USB.  The 
program that you use to talk to it makes reference to modbus.

The data port has 4 pins.  RJ-10 4p4c connector.
+5 with enough current to light an incandescent light bulb.
+5 low current
+5 low current
Ground
This sounds like USB host to me. One of my sons think it is RS-485
I don’t think USB would be happy on a RJ-10 and utp wire.  Maybe it 
would. Maybe I am just buying a piece of wire with two connectors on 
the ends.
The controller it plugs into is $2000 so I don’t want to experiment 
on that.  Be interesting to see the adapter cable when it gets 
here.  See if there are any active components.  I would have 
probably just wired it up to a USB and tried it if my son had not 
made the modbus/RS485 comment.

Any guesses?





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Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

[Jaime Solorza]

Probably a lot less expensive than Prosoft Modbus products


On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:46 PM Matt Corcoran  wrote:

> Not quite related,  but I just found out that Microtik(linux) has built in
> drivers for common Arduino serial chips.  I setup an Arduino to monitor
> 4 different voltages at our solar site.  Our NMS just SSHs to the
> microtik(special login) to pull the average voltages and graph them.I
> was happy to not add any more equipment other than the power sipping
> Arduino.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Matt Corcoran*   |   Network Engineer
>
> m...@stratospeed.com   |  231-680-0062
>
>
>
> [image: signature_1101261039] 
>
>
>
> www.stratospeed.com|231-774-2112
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of dave <
> dmilho...@wletc.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 4:19 PM
> *To: *"af@af.afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection
>
>
>
> Ive done alot with Modbus on arduino products interfacing with anything
> that speaks modbus.
> I have a server I que or add each thing I want to monitor or review.
> Temps, Humidity power levels or presence of are the main ones.
>
>
> On 8/19/20 11:26 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> On one of my large portable air compressors, there is a data port.  They
> sell an adapter cable for about $200  It adapts it to USB.  The program
> that you use to talk to it makes reference to modbus.
>
>
>
> The data port has 4 pins.  RJ-10 4p4c connector.
>
> +5 with enough current to light an incandescent light bulb.
>
> +5 low current
>
> +5 low current
>
> Ground
>
>
>
> This sounds like USB host to me.  One of my sons think it is RS-485
>
>
>
> I don’t think USB would be happy on a RJ-10 and utp wire.  Maybe it
> would.  Maybe I am just buying a piece of wire with two connectors on the
> ends.
>
>
>
> The controller it plugs into is $2000 so I don’t want to experiment on
> that.  Be interesting to see the adapter cable when it gets here.  See if
> there are any active components.  I would have probably just wired it up to
> a USB and tried it if my son had not made the modbus/RS485 comment.
>
>
>
> Any guesses?
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] GIS VetroMap Contract Help wanted

[Chuck McCown]

Is this something you are doing to document your osp?  Cost?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 19, 2020, at 4:57 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> 
> I need someone with some time this month and next, to help my team correctly 
> populate VetroMap for our fiber plant.
>  
> Let me know.
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Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

[Chuck McCown]

Hand holes fill with muddy water.  You should foam them when you are done to 
prevent this.

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> On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is it normal for the duct to be full of mud?  That seems ungood.  I’m also 
> assuming the fiber in that duct is carrying traffic and it would be very bad 
> to break it and then not be able to replace it.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 5:56 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit
>  
> You still need a way to get air in the duct.   Either this: 
> https://www.gmptools.com/innerduct-pressurization-test-kit/  or this 
> https://www.gmptools.com/line-blowing/ to attach to the compressor.   Neither 
> tool is very expensive (relative to the stupid price of most things fiber)
>  
> Mark
> 
> 
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>  
> Something like this:  https://www.gmptools.com/cable-overblowing-junction-box/
>  
> Put the real cable in the one side and block the other port or use it for 
> water.  Hum…  water going backwards through the compressor isn’t a great 
> idea.  And pushing air back the water supply isn’t great.   OK, fill it with 
> water and block the other port.   Add air and wait.  Once you have half 
> decent airflow change to water.
>  
> Mark
> 
> 
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:06 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>  
> You might get away with sealing it up really good where the fiber exits and 
> then making a hole in the side of the duct small enough for the tip of an air 
> blower.  Not sure how much air you will get this way but easy to try. Use 
> mastic and then tape to seal it.  You might be able to couple a pressure 
> washer to it too.
> 
> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 4:00 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit
> 
> I have a clamp thing that clamps over the duct and cable and seals it all
> up.  It has an air port coming in from the side.  And I use a 375 CFM 150
> psi compressor.
> 
> I am guessing you could slip a copper tube down the duct and tape the crap
> out of everything with black vinyl tape.  Just use as much air as you can
> get.  Be sure to inject as much water as you can inject first.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:32 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit
> 
> How do you seal it up with the existing fiber in there to be able to
> blow it?  How much PSI do you use?  Will a portable air compressor be
> enough?  Other end of the conduit is in a building, so I can only blow
> the mud 1 way :)
> 
> On 8/19/2020 4:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> Use compressed air to blow water through it.  Once you get it flushed your 
> fish tape might go.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:19 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit
> 
> Anybody have secrets for locating mud filled conduit?  Trying to locate
> a 1" poly with a non-toneable fiber installed in it. No trace wire
> installed. Conduit is full of Mud, and at the bottom of a handhole that
> is also filled with Mud.  Conduit goes from handhole under a parking
> lot, so digging to find it isn't an option either. We were not involved
> in the installation of this conduit, but it is now our problem.
> 
> We got a flat steel fish tape pushed in just far enough to finish the
> current locate request, but it's not going any farther.  At some point
> in the future I'm probably going to get a locate request further down
> the conduit path.  What super-secret method do you guys that live and
> breath underground work have for dealing with this?
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[Chuck McCown]

Chickpea, not gonna ask

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> No and yes.
>  
> I still remember the dorm cafeteria at college and they would have beans and 
> beets on the same day and you would say beans but they would pretend to hear 
> beets and put a scoop of the horrible things on your tray.  So we learned to 
> say “red” or “green” instead.
>  
> College kids today don’t know how good they have it in the food department.  
> 50 years ago when I was eating college cafeteria food, it was like the mess 
> tent scenes in MASH.  Hey Klinger, put some of those powdered eggs on my 
> metal tray.
>  
> Oh, and good thing you called them garbanzo beans, evidently chickpea is now 
> a meme.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 5:01 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>  
> I only eat the pickled beets and garbanzo beans. 
>  
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:39 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>  
> Calix is affordable, Calix is expensive.  Both true.
> 
> Calix has a lot of options so there's a wide range of possible pricing.  If 
> you got a quote for the whole salad bar then it's not going to look good.
> 
>  
> 
> On 8/19/2020 5:36 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
> Really?  That is upsetting.  Calix's up-front cost for their full cloud based 
> solution isn't super cheap.
>  
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:24 PM Jason McKemie 
>  wrote:
> Calix is MUCH cheaper to get into than Plume, with lower minimums.  They 
> (Calix) were also running a WISP special earlier this year, I'm unsure if it 
> is still going on, but the upfront pricing was much more attractive.
>  
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 8:27 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
> what's the per sub cost approx for these solutions?
>  
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:10 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> We chose Plume, the customer app and the ISP cloud panel runs circles around 
> Calix’s
>  
> Gino Villarini 
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
> From: AF  on behalf of Carl Peterson 
> 
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:29 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>  
> We use Plume and its pretty good.  If the decision were entirely in my court 
> I'd have gone with Calix.  Long term it aligns better with where I think the 
> company should be going - all fiber all the time, but if all you are looking 
> for is simple wifi that works then Plume is pretty good. 
>  
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
> We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some of our more demanding 
> clients that either have big homes, or just want the best. We currently use 
> Mikrotik HAP AC Lite which don't have great coverage, but great features for 
> us in terms of management.
>  
> So for those that need more coverage etc, we thought we could offer something 
> for a monthly fee like Plume or Calix
> Has anyone used them before? Thoughts and comments?
> https://www.plume.com/products/
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Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[Chuck McCown]

Beets, pickled or otherwise are a go to snack for me.  I have several cans in 
the fridge right now.  Beets, pork n beans, Vienna sausages.  Basic staples of 
life.

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> On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> No and yes.
>  
> I still remember the dorm cafeteria at college and they would have beans and 
> beets on the same day and you would say beans but they would pretend to hear 
> beets and put a scoop of the horrible things on your tray.  So we learned to 
> say “red” or “green” instead.
>  
> College kids today don’t know how good they have it in the food department.  
> 50 years ago when I was eating college cafeteria food, it was like the mess 
> tent scenes in MASH.  Hey Klinger, put some of those powdered eggs on my 
> metal tray.
>  
> Oh, and good thing you called them garbanzo beans, evidently chickpea is now 
> a meme.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 5:01 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>  
> I only eat the pickled beets and garbanzo beans. 
>  
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:39 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>  
> Calix is affordable, Calix is expensive.  Both true.
> 
> Calix has a lot of options so there's a wide range of possible pricing.  If 
> you got a quote for the whole salad bar then it's not going to look good.
> 
>  
> 
> On 8/19/2020 5:36 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
> Really?  That is upsetting.  Calix's up-front cost for their full cloud based 
> solution isn't super cheap.
>  
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:24 PM Jason McKemie 
>  wrote:
> Calix is MUCH cheaper to get into than Plume, with lower minimums.  They 
> (Calix) were also running a WISP special earlier this year, I'm unsure if it 
> is still going on, but the upfront pricing was much more attractive.
>  
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 8:27 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
> what's the per sub cost approx for these solutions?
>  
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:10 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> We chose Plume, the customer app and the ISP cloud panel runs circles around 
> Calix’s
>  
> Gino Villarini 
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
> From: AF  on behalf of Carl Peterson 
> 
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:29 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>  
> We use Plume and its pretty good.  If the decision were entirely in my court 
> I'd have gone with Calix.  Long term it aligns better with where I think the 
> company should be going - all fiber all the time, but if all you are looking 
> for is simple wifi that works then Plume is pretty good. 
>  
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
> We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some of our more demanding 
> clients that either have big homes, or just want the best. We currently use 
> Mikrotik HAP AC Lite which don't have great coverage, but great features for 
> us in terms of management.
>  
> So for those that need more coverage etc, we thought we could offer something 
> for a monthly fee like Plume or Calix
> Has anyone used them before? Thoughts and comments?
> https://www.plume.com/products/
>  
>  
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

[Ken Hohhof]

Does that also help prevent snakes?  (I seem to remember a thread about snakes)

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 8:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

 

Hand holes fill with muddy water.  You should foam them when you are done to 
prevent this.

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Is it normal for the duct to be full of mud?  That seems ungood.  I’m also 
assuming the fiber in that duct is carrying traffic and it would be very bad to 
break it and then not be able to replace it.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 5:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

 

You still need a way to get air in the duct.   Either this: 
https://www.gmptools.com/innerduct-pressurization-test-kit/  or this 
https://www.gmptools.com/line-blowing/ to attach to the compressor.   Neither 
tool is very expensive (relative to the stupid price of most things fiber)

 

Mark






On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

 

Something like this:  https://www.gmptools.com/cable-overblowing-junction-box/

 

Put the real cable in the one side and block the other port or use it for 
water.  Hum…  water going backwards through the compressor isn’t a great idea.  
And pushing air back the water supply isn’t great.   OK, fill it with water and 
block the other port.   Add air and wait.  Once you have half decent airflow 
change to water.

 

Mark






On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:06 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

 

You might get away with sealing it up really good where the fiber exits and 
then making a hole in the side of the duct small enough for the tip of an air 
blower.  Not sure how much air you will get this way but easy to try. Use 
mastic and then tape to seal it.  You might be able to couple a pressure washer 
to it too.

-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 4:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

I have a clamp thing that clamps over the duct and cable and seals it all
up.  It has an air port coming in from the side.  And I use a 375 CFM 150
psi compressor.

I am guessing you could slip a copper tube down the duct and tape the crap
out of everything with black vinyl tape.  Just use as much air as you can
get.  Be sure to inject as much water as you can inject first.

-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

How do you seal it up with the existing fiber in there to be able to
blow it?  How much PSI do you use?  Will a portable air compressor be
enough?  Other end of the conduit is in a building, so I can only blow
the mud 1 way :)

On 8/19/2020 4:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:




Use compressed air to blow water through it.  Once you get it flushed your fish 
tape might go.

-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:19 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Locating mud filled conduit

Anybody have secrets for locating mud filled conduit?  Trying to locate
a 1" poly with a non-toneable fiber installed in it. No trace wire
installed. Conduit is full of Mud, and at the bottom of a handhole that
is also filled with Mud.  Conduit goes from handhole under a parking
lot, so digging to find it isn't an option either. We were not involved
in the installation of this conduit, but it is now our problem.

We got a flat steel fish tape pushed in just far enough to finish the
current locate request, but it's not going any farther.  At some point
in the future I'm probably going to get a locate request further down
the conduit path.  What super-secret method do you guys that live and
breath underground work have for dealing with this?



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Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[Ken Hohhof]

To be honest, I’m not sure I’ve ever tried a beet (are they all pickled?)  I 
look at them and just know I’ll hate them.

 

On the other hand, I’ll eat sweet&sour red cabbage, and things the rest of my 
family just know they hate, like lima beans and eggplant.  Actually I don’t eat 
them because did I mention my family hates them?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 8:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

 

Beets, pickled or otherwise are a go to snack for me.  I have several cans in 
the fridge right now.  Beets, pork n beans, Vienna sausages.  Basic staples of 
life.

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



No and yes.

 

I still remember the dorm cafeteria at college and they would have beans and 
beets on the same day and you would say beans but they would pretend to hear 
beets and put a scoop of the horrible things on your tray.  So we learned to 
say “red” or “green” instead.

 

College kids today don’t know how good they have it in the food department.  50 
years ago when I was eating college cafeteria food, it was like the mess tent 
scenes in MASH.  Hey Klinger, put some of those powdered eggs on my metal tray.

 

Oh, and good thing you called them garbanzo beans, evidently chickpea is now a 
meme.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 5:01 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

 

I only eat the pickled beets and garbanzo beans.  

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:39 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

 

Calix is affordable, Calix is expensive.  Both true.

Calix has a lot of options so there's a wide range of possible pricing.  If you 
got a quote for the whole salad bar then it's not going to look good.

 

On 8/19/2020 5:36 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

Really?  That is upsetting.  Calix's up-front cost for their full cloud based 
solution isn't super cheap.

 

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:24 PM Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

Calix is MUCH cheaper to get into than Plume, with lower minimums.  They 
(Calix) were also running a WISP special earlier this year, I'm unsure if it is 
still going on, but the upfront pricing was much more attractive.

 

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 8:27 PM TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote:

what's the per sub cost approx for these solutions? 

 

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:10 PM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

We chose Plume, the customer app and the ISP cloud panel runs circles around 
Calix’s

 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 


  

  

   

   

   

 

  

   



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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

 

We use Plume and its pretty good.  If the decision were entirely in my court 
I'd have gone with Calix.  Long term it aligns better with where I think the 
company should be going - all fiber all the time, but if all you are looking 
for is simple wifi that works then Plume is pretty good.  

 

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some of our more demanding 
clients that either have big homes, or just want the best. We currently use 
Mikrotik HAP AC Lite which don't have great coverage, but great features for us 
in terms of management.

 

So for those that need more coverage etc, we thought we could offer something 
for a monthly fee like Plume or Calix

Has anyone used them before? Thoughts and comments?

  
https://www.plume.com/products/

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[Chuck McCown]

To me they are similar to pickled red cabbage.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 19, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> To be honest, I’m not sure I’ve ever tried a beet (are they all pickled?)  I 
> look at them and just know I’ll hate them.
>  
> On the other hand, I’ll eat sweet&sour red cabbage, and things the rest of my 
> family just know they hate, like lima beans and eggplant.  Actually I don’t 
> eat them because did I mention my family hates them?
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 8:46 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>  
> Beets, pickled or otherwise are a go to snack for me.  I have several cans in 
> the fridge right now.  Beets, pork n beans, Vienna sausages.  Basic staples 
> of life.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> No and yes.
>  
> I still remember the dorm cafeteria at college and they would have beans and 
> beets on the same day and you would say beans but they would pretend to hear 
> beets and put a scoop of the horrible things on your tray.  So we learned to 
> say “red” or “green” instead.
>  
> College kids today don’t know how good they have it in the food department.  
> 50 years ago when I was eating college cafeteria food, it was like the mess 
> tent scenes in MASH.  Hey Klinger, put some of those powdered eggs on my 
> metal tray.
>  
> Oh, and good thing you called them garbanzo beans, evidently chickpea is now 
> a meme.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 5:01 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>  
> I only eat the pickled beets and garbanzo beans. 
>  
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:39 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>  
> Calix is affordable, Calix is expensive.  Both true.
> 
> Calix has a lot of options so there's a wide range of possible pricing.  If 
> you got a quote for the whole salad bar then it's not going to look good.
> 
>  
> 
> On 8/19/2020 5:36 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
> Really?  That is upsetting.  Calix's up-front cost for their full cloud based 
> solution isn't super cheap.
>  
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:24 PM Jason McKemie 
>  wrote:
> Calix is MUCH cheaper to get into than Plume, with lower minimums.  They 
> (Calix) were also running a WISP special earlier this year, I'm unsure if it 
> is still going on, but the upfront pricing was much more attractive.
>  
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 8:27 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
> what's the per sub cost approx for these solutions?
>  
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:10 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> We chose Plume, the customer app and the ISP cloud panel runs circles around 
> Calix’s
>  
> Gino Villarini 
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
> From: AF  on behalf of Carl Peterson 
> 
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:29 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>  
> We use Plume and its pretty good.  If the decision were entirely in my court 
> I'd have gone with Calix.  Long term it aligns better with where I think the 
> company should be going - all fiber all the time, but if all you are looking 
> for is simple wifi that works then Plume is pretty good. 
>  
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
> We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some of our more demanding 
> clients that either have big homes, or just want the best. We currently use 
> Mikrotik HAP AC Lite which don't have great coverage, but great features for 
> us in terms of management.
>  
> So for those that need more coverage etc, we thought we could offer something 
> for a monthly fee like Plume or Calix
> Has anyone used them before? Thoughts and comments?
> https://www.plume.com/products/
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>  
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Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[Ken Hohhof]

I remember everyone was saying how delicious seaweed snacks were, that even 
their kids loved them, so I bought some.  Yuck!  They tasted (and smelled) like 
dried seaweed.  What did I expect?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

 

To me they are similar to pickled red cabbage.

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 19, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



To be honest, I’m not sure I’ve ever tried a beet (are they all pickled?)  I 
look at them and just know I’ll hate them.

 

On the other hand, I’ll eat sweet&sour red cabbage, and things the rest of my 
family just know they hate, like lima beans and eggplant.  Actually I don’t eat 
them because did I mention my family hates them?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 8:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

 

Beets, pickled or otherwise are a go to snack for me.  I have several cans in 
the fridge right now.  Beets, pork n beans, Vienna sausages.  Basic staples of 
life.

Sent from my iPhone






On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



No and yes.

 

I still remember the dorm cafeteria at college and they would have beans and 
beets on the same day and you would say beans but they would pretend to hear 
beets and put a scoop of the horrible things on your tray.  So we learned to 
say “red” or “green” instead.

 

College kids today don’t know how good they have it in the food department.  50 
years ago when I was eating college cafeteria food, it was like the mess tent 
scenes in MASH.  Hey Klinger, put some of those powdered eggs on my metal tray.

 

Oh, and good thing you called them garbanzo beans, evidently chickpea is now a 
meme.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 5:01 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

 

I only eat the pickled beets and garbanzo beans.  

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:39 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

 

Calix is affordable, Calix is expensive.  Both true.

Calix has a lot of options so there's a wide range of possible pricing.  If you 
got a quote for the whole salad bar then it's not going to look good.

 

On 8/19/2020 5:36 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

Really?  That is upsetting.  Calix's up-front cost for their full cloud based 
solution isn't super cheap.

 

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:24 PM Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

Calix is MUCH cheaper to get into than Plume, with lower minimums.  They 
(Calix) were also running a WISP special earlier this year, I'm unsure if it is 
still going on, but the upfront pricing was much more attractive.

 

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 8:27 PM TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote:

what's the per sub cost approx for these solutions? 

 

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:10 PM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

We chose Plume, the customer app and the ISP cloud panel runs circles around 
Calix’s

 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 


  

  

   

   

   

 

  

   



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Guaynabo, PR 00968 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

 

We use Plume and its pretty good.  If the decision were entirely in my court 
I'd have gone with Calix.  Long term it aligns better with where I think the 
company should be going - all fiber all the time, but if all you are looking 
for is simple wifi that works then Plume is pretty good.  

 

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some of our more demanding 
clients that either have big homes, or just want the best. We currently use 
Mikrotik HAP AC Lite which don't have great coverage, but great features for us 
in terms of management.

 

So for those that need more coverage

Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[Steve Jones]

Seaweed tastes as bad as it smells


But I've been using the CnPilot e series more. I have two e510, I'm digging
them and pushing them to commercial customers. They have a wall one that
fits in a switch box I think would be cool for residential use

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 9:52 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I remember everyone was saying how delicious seaweed snacks were, that
> even their kids loved them, so I bought some.  Yuck!  They tasted (and
> smelled) like dried seaweed.  What did I expect?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:29 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>
>
>
> To me they are similar to pickled red cabbage.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> To be honest, I’m not sure I’ve ever tried a beet (are they all pickled?)
> I look at them and just know I’ll hate them.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, I’ll eat sweet&sour red cabbage, and things the rest of
> my family just know they hate, like lima beans and eggplant.  Actually I
> don’t eat them because did I mention my family hates them?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2020 8:46 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>
>
>
> Beets, pickled or otherwise are a go to snack for me.  I have several cans
> in the fridge right now.  Beets, pork n beans, Vienna sausages.  Basic
> staples of life.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> No and yes.
>
>
>
> I still remember the dorm cafeteria at college and they would have beans
> and beets on the same day and you would say beans but they would pretend to
> hear beets and put a scoop of the horrible things on your tray.  So we
> learned to say “red” or “green” instead.
>
>
>
> College kids today don’t know how good they have it in the food
> department.  50 years ago when I was eating college cafeteria food, it was
> like the mess tent scenes in MASH.  Hey Klinger, put some of those powdered
> eggs on my metal tray.
>
>
>
> Oh, and good thing you called them garbanzo beans, evidently chickpea is
> now a meme.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2020 5:01 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>
>
>
> I only eat the pickled beets and garbanzo beans.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2020 3:39 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>
>
>
> Calix is affordable, Calix is expensive.  Both true.
>
> Calix has a lot of options so there's a wide range of possible pricing.
> If you got a quote for the whole salad bar then it's not going to look good.
>
>
>
> On 8/19/2020 5:36 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> Really?  That is upsetting.  Calix's up-front cost for their full cloud
> based solution isn't super cheap.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:24 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> Calix is MUCH cheaper to get into than Plume, with lower minimums.  They
> (Calix) were also running a WISP special earlier this year, I'm unsure if
> it is still going on, but the upfront pricing was much more attractive.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 8:27 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> what's the per sub cost approx for these solutions?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:10 PM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
> We chose Plume, the customer app and the ISP cloud panel runs circles
> around Calix’s
>
>
>
> *Gino* *Villarini *
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
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>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Carl Peterson <
> cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:29 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
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> We use Plume and its pretty good.  If the decision were entirely in my
> court I'd have gone with Calix.  Long term it aligns better with where I
> think the company should be going - all fiber all the time, but if all you
> are looking for is simple wifi that works then Plume is pretty good.
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> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
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> We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some of our more de