Re: [AFMUG] Utility Pole Attachment - Tree Trimming?

[Mark Radabaugh]

The vast majority of pole lines are on public ROW which means the local 
political entity controls the property and is generally responsible for the 
condition of the trees.   When we have asked in the past if the village (insert 
whatever political entity you like) cared if we trimmed around lines none had 
any issue with it.   Most said thanks - they didn’t want to do it.

Mark

> On Aug 18, 2020, at 1:32 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> thats probably a component of the utility owner. around here there are 
> contracts that just V out every tree. I never really thought about who 
> initiates the contracts, I just wished I had them, you can butcher the hell 
> out of trees with no consequense
> 
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 10:58 PM TJ Trout  > wrote:
> What does it normally take to get the attachment agreement? How much red tape 
> and requirements?
> 
> All the best,
> 
> TJ Trout
> Volt Broadband
> AS62809
> 209.480.3122
> 
> 
> Find us on peeringdb! https://www.peeringdb.com/net/20086 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 7:17 PM  > wrote:
> Does a utility pole attachment agreement typically allow for any tree 
> trimming in the right of way?
> 
>  
> 
> Or, is that something only the utility may do?
> 
>  
> 
> -Chris
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Re: [AFMUG] What is “reselling”?

[Mike Hammett]

Reselling is when you'd delivering a circuit over someone else's network to a 
third party. 


Using someone else's network when you're on both sides isn't reselling. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 5:54:50 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] What is “reselling”? 

Define “reselling” a circuit. 

Obviously getting a connection and sticking customers on the provider’s IP 
addresses would be reselling without a doubt. 

Is running a tunnel over a circuit back to a data center and sticking customer 
traffic in the tunnel reselling? I would think not as the only thing the 
connection is carrying is my VPN traffic. 

So now further down the rabbit hole - if the provider supports BGP and I’m 
using my IP addresses - am I “reselling” the provider’s service or mine? 
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Re: [AFMUG] Utility Pole Attachment - Tree Trimming?

[Josh Luthman]

They're running new lines on the poles behind my house.  The contractors
are all trimming the trees themselves to get the new stuff in.  Last winter
the power company hired a tree trimming service to trim the trees as well.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 7:48 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> The vast majority of pole lines are on public ROW which means the local
> political entity controls the property and is generally responsible for the
> condition of the trees.   When we have asked in the past if the village
> (insert whatever political entity you like) cared if we trimmed around
> lines none had any issue with it.   Most said thanks - they didn’t want to
> do it.
>
> Mark
>
> On Aug 18, 2020, at 1:32 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> thats probably a component of the utility owner. around here there are
> contracts that just V out every tree. I never really thought about who
> initiates the contracts, I just wished I had them, you can butcher the hell
> out of trees with no consequense
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 10:58 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> What does it normally take to get the attachment agreement? How much red
>> tape and requirements?
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> TJ Trout
>> Volt Broadband
>> AS62809
>> 209.480.3122
>>
>>
>> Find us on peeringdb! https://www.peeringdb.com/net/20086
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 7:17 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Does a utility pole attachment agreement typically allow for any tree
>>> trimming in the right of way?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Or, is that something only the utility may do?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Chris
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Re: [AFMUG] What is “reselling”?

[Matt Hoppes]

Right... so a VPN across a connection that fully encapsulates everything 
is not reselling then.


On 8/18/20 8:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Reselling is when you'd delivering a circuit over someone else's network 
to a third party.


Using someone else's network when you're on both sides isn't reselling.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
*To: *af@af.afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, August 17, 2020 5:54:50 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] What is “reselling”?

Define “reselling” a circuit.

Obviously getting a connection and sticking customers on the provider’s 
IP addresses would be reselling without a doubt.


Is running a tunnel over a circuit back to a data center and sticking 
customer traffic in the tunnel reselling?  I would think not as the only 
thing the connection is carrying is my VPN traffic.


So now further down the rabbit hole - if the provider supports BGP and 
I’m using my IP addresses - am I “reselling” the provider’s service or mine?

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Re: [AFMUG] What is “reselling”?

[Darin Steffl]

It all depends on what the provider defines.

If you had a residential or small business connection on my WISP and I
found you were tunneling all the traffic to a datacenter and selling
internet service to customers on our connection but through a tunnel, I
would disconnect you without hesitation. To me, it's the same thing.
There's nothing you could do if I disconnected you either since we have the
right to refuse service to anyone we choose.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:28 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Right... so a VPN across a connection that fully encapsulates everything
> is not reselling then.
>
> On 8/18/20 8:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > Reselling is when you'd delivering a circuit over someone else's network
> > to a third party.
> >
> > Using someone else's network when you're on both sides isn't reselling.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> > <
> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
> https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><
> https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> > The Brothers WISP 
> > 
> >
> >
> > 
> > 
> > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> > *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> > *Sent: *Monday, August 17, 2020 5:54:50 PM
> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] What is “reselling”?
> >
> > Define “reselling” a circuit.
> >
> > Obviously getting a connection and sticking customers on the provider’s
> > IP addresses would be reselling without a doubt.
> >
> > Is running a tunnel over a circuit back to a data center and sticking
> > customer traffic in the tunnel reselling?  I would think not as the only
> > thing the connection is carrying is my VPN traffic.
> >
> > So now further down the rabbit hole - if the provider supports BGP and
> > I’m using my IP addresses - am I “reselling” the provider’s service or
> mine?
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Re: [AFMUG] What is “reselling”?

[chuck]

So, essential elements of an AUP are?

Right to refuse service for any reason.
Cannot offer any competing product or service without prior authorization.  
...


From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 8:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Mike Hammett 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is “reselling”?

It all depends on what the provider defines. 

If you had a residential or small business connection on my WISP and I found 
you were tunneling all the traffic to a datacenter and selling internet service 
to customers on our connection but through a tunnel, I would disconnect you 
without hesitation. To me, it's the same thing. There's nothing you could do if 
I disconnected you either since we have the right to refuse service to anyone 
we choose.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:28 AM Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

  Right... so a VPN across a connection that fully encapsulates everything 
  is not reselling then.

  On 8/18/20 8:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
  > Reselling is when you'd delivering a circuit over someone else's network 
  > to a third party.
  > 
  > Using someone else's network when you're on both sides isn't reselling.
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > -
  > Mike Hammett
  > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
  > 

  > Midwest Internet Exchange 
  > 

  > The Brothers WISP 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
  > *To: *af@af.afmug.com
  > *Sent: *Monday, August 17, 2020 5:54:50 PM
  > *Subject: *[AFMUG] What is “reselling”?
  > 
  > Define “reselling” a circuit.
  > 
  > Obviously getting a connection and sticking customers on the provider’s 
  > IP addresses would be reselling without a doubt.
  > 
  > Is running a tunnel over a circuit back to a data center and sticking 
  > customer traffic in the tunnel reselling?  I would think not as the only 
  > thing the connection is carrying is my VPN traffic.
  > 
  > So now further down the rabbit hole - if the provider supports BGP and 
  > I’m using my IP addresses - am I “reselling” the provider’s service or mine?
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[AFMUG] Sync 2.5 and 5.0 MS Frames Cambium

[Sam Lambie]

I am replacing some 450 AP's with 450i so I can utilize 40mhz channels and
a little better throughput. Currently All my 450m AP and 450 and 450i Ap's
are synced to 15 miles, 75% and 6 contention slots. Everything is happily
humming along with these settings. Easy enough to duplicate at 40mhz And
call it good. But I like to try to squeeze as much throughput as I can out
my network.
With the replacement, I am curious if I were to go to 5 ms frames on the
AP's, how the heck do I sync the settings? It seems impossible as the start
and end Slots have basically doubled when going to 5.0 ms frames.
I have within earshot of this site about 10- 450m AP's spread out over
15-20 miles. They don't do 5.0 ms, so I am wondering if I am going down a
rabbit hole...
Has anyone colocated AP's with mixed frames? Does it work? I also have 2
ePMP 2000 AP's at this site as well to add to the fun...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

[Bill Prince]

  
  
That dish looks fabulous! The sandwich doesn't look bad either!


bp



On 8/18/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:


  
  Huevo con Chorizo en pan Blanco...yum..cooked it
with Irish butter
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

[James Howard]

And Irish Crème in your coffee?

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Re: [AFMUG] Sync 2.5 and 5.0 MS Frames Cambium

[Sean Heskett]

everything has to be one or the other.  no way to sync 2.5 and 5 together.

going to 5ms you should see about 10% boost in performance

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:44 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> I am replacing some 450 AP's with 450i so I can utilize 40mhz channels and
> a little better throughput. Currently All my 450m AP and 450 and 450i Ap's
> are synced to 15 miles, 75% and 6 contention slots. Everything is happily
> humming along with these settings. Easy enough to duplicate at 40mhz And
> call it good. But I like to try to squeeze as much throughput as I can out
> my network.
> With the replacement, I am curious if I were to go to 5 ms frames on the
> AP's, how the heck do I sync the settings? It seems impossible as the start
> and end Slots have basically doubled when going to 5.0 ms frames.
> I have within earshot of this site about 10- 450m AP's spread out over
> 15-20 miles. They don't do 5.0 ms, so I am wondering if I am going down a
> rabbit hole...
> Has anyone colocated AP's with mixed frames? Does it work? I also have 2
> ePMP 2000 AP's at this site as well to add to the fun...
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Utility Pole Attachment - Tree Trimming?

[Adam Moffett]

Around here the electric co does it.  A line with power is usually kept 
fairly clear.  Solo telco lines get buried in foliage.


On 8/18/2020 7:47 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
The vast majority of pole lines are on public ROW which means the 
local political entity controls the property and is generally 
responsible for the condition of the trees.   When we have asked in 
the past if the village (insert whatever political entity you like) 
cared if we trimmed around lines none had any issue with it.   Most 
said thanks - they didn’t want to do it.


Mark

On Aug 18, 2020, at 1:32 AM, Steve Jones > wrote:


thats probably a component of the utility owner. around here there 
are contracts that just V out every tree. I never really thought 
about who initiates the contracts, I just wished I had them, you can 
butcher the hell out of trees with no consequense


On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 10:58 PM TJ Trout > wrote:


What does it normally take to get the attachment agreement? How
much red tape and requirements?

All the best,

TJ Trout
Volt Broadband
AS62809
209.480.3122


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On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 7:17 PM mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote:

Does a utility pole attachment agreement typically allow for
any tree trimming in the right of way?

Or, is that something only the utility may do?

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Re: [AFMUG] Sync 2.5 and 5.0 MS Frames Cambium

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah all one or the other.

On 8/18/2020 12:41 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
everything has to be one or the other.  no way to sync 2.5 and 5 
together.


going to 5ms you should see about 10% boost in performance

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:44 AM Sam Lambie > wrote:


I am replacing some 450 AP's with 450i so I can utilize 40mhz
channels and a little better throughput. Currently All my 450m AP
and 450 and 450i Ap's are synced to 15 miles, 75% and 6 contention
slots. Everything is happily humming along with these settings.
Easy enough to duplicate at 40mhz And call it good. But I like to
try to squeeze as much throughput as I can out my network.
With the replacement, I am curious if I were to go to 5 ms frames
on the AP's, how the heck do I sync the settings? It seems
impossible as the start and end Slots have basically doubled when
going to 5.0 ms frames.
I have within earshot of this site about 10- 450m AP's spread out
over 15-20 miles. They don't do 5.0 ms, so I am wondering if I am
going down a rabbit hole...
Has anyone colocated AP's with mixed frames? Does it work? I also
have 2 ePMP 2000 AP's at this site as well to add to the fun...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

[chuck]

Now, if his wife had been in the frame that could have a different 
interpretation.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 9:57 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

That dish looks fabulous! The sandwich doesn't look bad either!



bp


On 8/18/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

  Huevo con Chorizo en pan Blanco...yum..cooked it with Irish butter

   



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Re: [AFMUG] Sync 2.5 and 5.0 MS Frames Cambium

[Matt Hopkins]

450m does do 5ms as well. They added it around 16.1 I think.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:41 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> everything has to be one or the other.  no way to sync 2.5 and 5 together.
>
> going to 5ms you should see about 10% boost in performance
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:44 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> I am replacing some 450 AP's with 450i so I can utilize 40mhz channels
>> and a little better throughput. Currently All my 450m AP and 450 and 450i
>> Ap's are synced to 15 miles, 75% and 6 contention slots. Everything is
>> happily humming along with these settings. Easy enough to duplicate at
>> 40mhz And call it good. But I like to try to squeeze as much throughput as
>> I can out my network.
>> With the replacement, I am curious if I were to go to 5 ms frames on the
>> AP's, how the heck do I sync the settings? It seems impossible as the start
>> and end Slots have basically doubled when going to 5.0 ms frames.
>> I have within earshot of this site about 10- 450m AP's spread out over
>> 15-20 miles. They don't do 5.0 ms, so I am wondering if I am going down a
>> rabbit hole...
>> Has anyone colocated AP's with mixed frames? Does it work? I also have 2
>> ePMP 2000 AP's at this site as well to add to the fun...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

[Ken Hohhof]

Haha, don’t hear that expression much anymore, like dames and broads and hot 
tamales.

 

Back around 1980 I worked at a place we had a PCB designer named Trish who was 
known as Trish the Dish.  Different times.  That was the same place where a 
software manager had to figure out how to tell an employee if she was going to 
wear a see through blouse she would have to wear a bra.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 11:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

 

Now, if his wife had been in the frame that could have a different 
interpretation.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 9:57 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

 

That dish looks fabulous! The sandwich doesn't look bad either!

 

bp

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

[Jaime Solorza]

Lol

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 9:58 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> That dish looks fabulous! The sandwich doesn't look bad either!
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/18/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Huevo con Chorizo en pan Blanco...yum..cooked it with Irish butter
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Re: [AFMUG] Utility Pole Attachment - Tree Trimming?

[Jaime Solorza]

Same here...electric company has a company that does all the cutting and
trimming for them...I had  22 trees surrounding my yards when we bought
this house in 1998...winds, lightning and soil erosion from rain and
irrigation flooding later...9 trees left...three get trimmed every year by
them...new AT&T and Spectrum fiber going up all over our neighborhood

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 10:45 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Around here the electric co does it.  A line with power is usually kept
> fairly clear.  Solo telco lines get buried in foliage.
> On 8/18/2020 7:47 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> The vast majority of pole lines are on public ROW which means the local
> political entity controls the property and is generally responsible for the
> condition of the trees.   When we have asked in the past if the village
> (insert whatever political entity you like) cared if we trimmed around
> lines none had any issue with it.   Most said thanks - they didn’t want to
> do it.
>
> Mark
>
> On Aug 18, 2020, at 1:32 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> thats probably a component of the utility owner. around here there are
> contracts that just V out every tree. I never really thought about who
> initiates the contracts, I just wished I had them, you can butcher the hell
> out of trees with no consequense
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 10:58 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> What does it normally take to get the attachment agreement? How much red
>> tape and requirements?
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> TJ Trout
>> Volt Broadband
>> AS62809
>> 209.480.3122
>>
>>
>> Find us on peeringdb! https://www.peeringdb.com/net/20086
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 7:17 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Does a utility pole attachment agreement typically allow for any tree
>>> trimming in the right of way?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Or, is that something only the utility may do?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Chris
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

[chuck]

Such mixed emotions... the distraction is a distraction, but wow what a 
distraction...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 11:14 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

Haha, don’t hear that expression much anymore, like dames and broads and hot 
tamales.

 

Back around 1980 I worked at a place we had a PCB designer named Trish who was 
known as Trish the Dish.  Different times.  That was the same place where a 
software manager had to figure out how to tell an employee if she was going to 
wear a see through blouse she would have to wear a bra.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 11:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

 

Now, if his wife had been in the frame that could have a different 
interpretation.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 9:57 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

 

That dish looks fabulous! The sandwich doesn't look bad either!

 

bp On 8/18/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

  Huevo con Chorizo en pan Blanco...yum..cooked it with Irish butter








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[AFMUG] OT wrt minks

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Re: [AFMUG] Sync 2.5 and 5.0 MS Frames Cambium

[Kurt Fankhauser]

i don't think 450 will do 40mhz and 5ms frames, could be wrong...

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 12:50 PM Matt Hopkins  wrote:

> 450m does do 5ms as well. They added it around 16.1 I think.
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:41 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> everything has to be one or the other.  no way to sync 2.5 and 5 together.
>>
>> going to 5ms you should see about 10% boost in performance
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:44 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>
>>> I am replacing some 450 AP's with 450i so I can utilize 40mhz channels
>>> and a little better throughput. Currently All my 450m AP and 450 and 450i
>>> Ap's are synced to 15 miles, 75% and 6 contention slots. Everything is
>>> happily humming along with these settings. Easy enough to duplicate at
>>> 40mhz And call it good. But I like to try to squeeze as much throughput as
>>> I can out my network.
>>> With the replacement, I am curious if I were to go to 5 ms frames on the
>>> AP's, how the heck do I sync the settings? It seems impossible as the start
>>> and end Slots have basically doubled when going to 5.0 ms frames.
>>> I have within earshot of this site about 10- 450m AP's spread out over
>>> 15-20 miles. They don't do 5.0 ms, so I am wondering if I am going down a
>>> rabbit hole...
>>> Has anyone colocated AP's with mixed frames? Does it work? I also have 2
>>> ePMP 2000 AP's at this site as well to add to the fun...
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT wrt minks

[Ken Hohhof]

Not to be confused with minx.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 1:14 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT wrt minks

 

I was certain there was a chinchillamatic skit on SNL years ago but I could
not find it for a snappy reply yesterday.  Mmmm mink burgers.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Sync 2.5 and 5.0 MS Frames Cambium

[Mike Meluskey]

Soon come, late this year are 1st quarter next year

On 18 Aug 2020, at 14:30, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


i don't think 450 will do 40mhz and 5ms frames, could be wrong...

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 12:50 PM Matt Hopkins  
wrote:



450m does do 5ms as well. They added it around 16.1 I think.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:41 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

everything has to be one or the other.  no way to sync 2.5 and 5 
together.


going to 5ms you should see about 10% boost in performance

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:44 AM Sam Lambie  
wrote:


I am replacing some 450 AP's with 450i so I can utilize 40mhz 
channels
and a little better throughput. Currently All my 450m AP and 450 
and 450i
Ap's are synced to 15 miles, 75% and 6 contention slots. Everything 
is
happily humming along with these settings. Easy enough to duplicate 
at
40mhz And call it good. But I like to try to squeeze as much 
throughput as

I can out my network.
With the replacement, I am curious if I were to go to 5 ms frames 
on the
AP's, how the heck do I sync the settings? It seems impossible as 
the start

and end Slots have basically doubled when going to 5.0 ms frames.
I have within earshot of this site about 10- 450m AP's spread out 
over
15-20 miles. They don't do 5.0 ms, so I am wondering if I am going 
down a

rabbit hole...
Has anyone colocated AP's with mixed frames? Does it work? I also 
have 2

ePMP 2000 AP's at this site as well to add to the fun...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT wrt minks

[chuck]

I like me some minx with minks.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 12:36 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT wrt minks

Not to be confused with minx.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 1:14 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT wrt minks

 

I was certain there was a chinchillamatic skit on SNL years ago but I could not 
find it for a snappy reply yesterday.  Mmmm mink burgers.  




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Re: [AFMUG] OT wrt minks

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I think it was the summer between my sophomore and junior year in
  high school. I think that because I was not old enough to drive.
  My father or mother would have to drive me over to the mink ranch
  where I had scored a summer job. Score is probably too strong a
  word. The work went from 6AM until 6PM; there might have been a
  lunch break in there somewhere. The pay was $1/hour. It was
  constant either feeding or watering or cleaning old feed from the
  tops of the cages or scooping poop from the bottoms of cages.
  occasionally a clever mink would "break out" and we would give
  chase for an hour or two. They always came back because the food
  was pretty good, as far as mink food goes.
3000 mink in 6 long sheds; about 500 mink per shed. One of the
  hardest jobs I ever had, and the pay was lousy and the benefits
  were non-existent.


bp



On 8/18/2020 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I was certain there was a chinchillamatic skit on SNL
years ago but I could not find it for a snappy reply
yesterday.  Mmmm mink burgers.  

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT wrt minks

[chuck]

Shoveling pig sh*t was my worst summer task.  Worse than chicken and I got that 
too.  
At least these guys got all the eggs to eat they wanted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Ud57xZ8Bo

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 1:20 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT wrt minks

I think it was the summer between my sophomore and junior year in high school. 
I think that because I was not old enough to drive. My father or mother would 
have to drive me over to the mink ranch where I had scored a summer job. Score 
is probably too strong a word. The work went from 6AM until 6PM; there might 
have been a lunch break in there somewhere. The pay was $1/hour. It was 
constant either feeding or watering or cleaning old feed from the tops of the 
cages or scooping poop from the bottoms of cages. occasionally a clever mink 
would "break out" and we would give chase for an hour or two. They always came 
back because the food was pretty good, as far as mink food goes.

3000 mink in 6 long sheds; about 500 mink per shed. One of the hardest jobs I 
ever had, and the pay was lousy and the benefits were non-existent.



bp


On 8/18/2020 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I was certain there was a chinchillamatic skit on SNL years ago but I could 
not find it for a snappy reply yesterday.  Mmmm mink burgers.  

   



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Re: [AFMUG] OT wrt minks

[chuck]

How come sometimes links are clickable and some times they aren’t?

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 1:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT wrt minks

Shoveling pig sh*t was my worst summer task.  Worse than chicken and I got that 
too.  
At least these guys got all the eggs to eat they wanted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Ud57xZ8Bo

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 1:20 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT wrt minks

I think it was the summer between my sophomore and junior year in high school. 
I think that because I was not old enough to drive. My father or mother would 
have to drive me over to the mink ranch where I had scored a summer job. Score 
is probably too strong a word. The work went from 6AM until 6PM; there might 
have been a lunch break in there somewhere. The pay was $1/hour. It was 
constant either feeding or watering or cleaning old feed from the tops of the 
cages or scooping poop from the bottoms of cages. occasionally a clever mink 
would "break out" and we would give chase for an hour or two. They always came 
back because the food was pretty good, as far as mink food goes.

3000 mink in 6 long sheds; about 500 mink per shed. One of the hardest jobs I 
ever had, and the pay was lousy and the benefits were non-existent.



bp


On 8/18/2020 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I was certain there was a chinchillamatic skit on SNL years ago but I could 
not find it for a snappy reply yesterday.  Mmmm mink burgers.  

   



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Re: [AFMUG] Sync 2.5 and 5.0 MS Frames Cambium

[Sam Lambie]

Thanks for the confirmation guys.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 12:37 PM Mike Meluskey  wrote:

> Soon come, late this year are 1st quarter next year
>
> On 18 Aug 2020, at 14:30, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>
> i don't think 450 will do 40mhz and 5ms frames, could be wrong...
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 12:50 PM Matt Hopkins 
> wrote:
>
>> 450m does do 5ms as well. They added it around 16.1 I think.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:41 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> everything has to be one or the other.  no way to sync 2.5 and 5
>>> together.
>>>
>>> going to 5ms you should see about 10% boost in performance
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:44 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>>
 I am replacing some 450 AP's with 450i so I can utilize 40mhz channels
 and a little better throughput. Currently All my 450m AP and 450 and 450i
 Ap's are synced to 15 miles, 75% and 6 contention slots. Everything is
 happily humming along with these settings. Easy enough to duplicate at
 40mhz And call it good. But I like to try to squeeze as much throughput as
 I can out my network.
 With the replacement, I am curious if I were to go to 5 ms frames on
 the AP's, how the heck do I sync the settings? It seems impossible as the
 start and end Slots have basically doubled when going to 5.0 ms frames.
 I have within earshot of this site about 10- 450m AP's spread out over
 15-20 miles. They don't do 5.0 ms, so I am wondering if I am going down a
 rabbit hole...
 Has anyone colocated AP's with mixed frames? Does it work? I also have
 2 ePMP 2000 AP's at this site as well to add to the fun...

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[AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[Sam Lambie]

We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some of our more demanding
clients that either have big homes, or just want the best. We currently use
Mikrotik HAP AC Lite which don't have great coverage, but great features
for us in terms of management.

So for those that need more coverage etc, we thought we could offer
something for a monthly fee like Plume or Calix
Has anyone used them before? Thoughts and comments?
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Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[chuck]

Calix is fantastic.  I don’t know Plume.  

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 3:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some of our more demanding 
clients that either have big homes, or just want the best. We currently use 
Mikrotik HAP AC Lite which don't have great coverage, but great features for us 
in terms of management.

So for those that need more coverage etc, we thought we could offer something 
for a monthly fee like Plume or Calix
Has anyone used them before? Thoughts and comments? 
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Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[Carl Peterson]

We use Plume and its pretty good.  If the decision were entirely in my
court I'd have gone with Calix.  Long term it aligns better with where I
think the company should be going - all fiber all the time, but if all you
are looking for is simple wifi that works then Plume is pretty good.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some of our more demanding
> clients that either have big homes, or just want the best. We currently use
> Mikrotik HAP AC Lite which don't have great coverage, but great features
> for us in terms of management.
>
> So for those that need more coverage etc, we thought we could offer
> something for a monthly fee like Plume or Calix
> Has anyone used them before? Thoughts and comments?
> https://www.plume.com/products/
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Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[Gino A. Villarini]

We chose Plume, the customer app and the ISP cloud panel runs circles around 
Calix’s


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Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

We use Plume and its pretty good.  If the decision were entirely in my court 
I'd have gone with Calix.  Long term it aligns better with where I think the 
company should be going - all fiber all the time, but if all you are looking 
for is simple wifi that works then Plume is pretty good.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Sam Lambie 
mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some of our more demanding 
clients that either have big homes, or just want the best. We currently use 
Mikrotik HAP AC Lite which don't have great coverage, but great features for us 
in terms of management.

So for those that need more coverage etc, we thought we could offer something 
for a monthly fee like Plume or Calix
Has anyone used them before? Thoughts and comments?
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Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[TJ Trout]

what's the per sub cost approx for these solutions?

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:10 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> We chose Plume, the customer app and the ISP cloud panel runs circles
> around Calix’s
>
>
>
> *Gino*
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> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:29 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>
>
>
> We use Plume and its pretty good.  If the decision were entirely in my
> court I'd have gone with Calix.  Long term it aligns better with where I
> think the company should be going - all fiber all the time, but if all you
> are looking for is simple wifi that works then Plume is pretty good.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
> We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some of our more demanding
> clients that either have big homes, or just want the best. We currently use
> Mikrotik HAP AC Lite which don't have great coverage, but great features
> for us in terms of management.
>
>
>
> So for those that need more coverage etc, we thought we could offer
> something for a monthly fee like Plume or Calix
>
> Has anyone used them before? Thoughts and comments?
>
> https://www.plume.com/products/
> 
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

[Steve Jones]

I think that might get a guy punched

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 11:49 AM  wrote:

> Now, if his wife had been in the frame that could have a different
> interpretation.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2020 9:57 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast
>
>
> That dish looks fabulous! The sandwich doesn't look bad either!
>
>
>
> bp
> 
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>
> On 8/18/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Huevo con Chorizo en pan Blanco...yum..cooked it with Irish butter
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Re: [AFMUG] ballast calucations

[Steve Jones]

Yeah, but that's for the specific npm. It's got to be base on something.

I gotta build a custom npm in a limited pie slice footprint to hold a 4
foot, and 2 3 foot antenna about 7 feet up, and preferably a pmp cluster
around 20 feet. I ordered 4k lb. ballast today. The site guy says 4k isnt a
problem, still makes me nervous putting that much ballast and sled weight
in 100 sq feet to hold a structure I dont have any way to calculate.

I'm thinking that with 2 ton of ballast, my issue will only be holding the
structure to the base.

Considering a square with 10 foot 25g on each corner and 20 foot 25g in the
center. If it will fit in the pie shape. Steel I think will add around 1k
more lbs if I'm bracing with 2 inch angle iron. But how does a guy even
start to calculate windload on that. Add in 3 inch water pipe it gets heavy
but kite like.

4k on 10x10 is only 40 lb per square foot.

Being the helmet that I am because retard isnt PC, is making this
complicated. I have found zero designs or existing product that do what I
need to do without drilling into the concrete, which I'm not allowed to do.
I do have 2 attached angle iron I may be able to strut to.

Grain elevators are a bitch, you'll find a 3 year old pop bottle up there
that hasn't moved but a piece of steel flies off in a breeze

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 10:02 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> There's often a formula on the assembly drawings.
>
> On 8/17/2020 10:36 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > Probably depends on the actual wind load vs the design wind load.  If
> both were lightly loaded then you will probably be fine.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >> On Aug 17, 2020, at 7:45 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >> so if I have 2 npms that call for say 1000lbs ballast with mast and
> antenna and decide to move both masts to a single npm, does that equate to
> 2000lbs ballast, or is there a base weight, then aperture windload is
> calculated?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

[chuck]

Funny, some guys are jazzed when other guys notice their wife in a good way.  
Others want to punch anyone out that looks at her.  I have always been in the 
former.  But I have almost gotten punched out by the latter.

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 7:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

I think that might get a guy punched

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 11:49 AM  wrote:

  Now, if his wife had been in the frame that could have a different 
interpretation.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 9:57 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

  That dish looks fabulous! The sandwich doesn't look bad either!



bp


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Huevo con Chorizo en pan Blanco...yum..cooked it with Irish butter

 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep Steve..it would

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 7:42 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> I think that might get a guy punched
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 11:49 AM  wrote:
>
>> Now, if his wife had been in the frame that could have a different
>> interpretation.
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2020 9:57 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast
>>
>>
>> That dish looks fabulous! The sandwich doesn't look bad either!
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 8/18/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Huevo con Chorizo en pan Blanco...yum..cooked it with Irish butter
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[Carl Peterson]

Have to agree with Gino on the cloud panel and app.  Pretty much the exact
reasons we ended up with Plume.  The issue is that without Calix Cloud it
is next to impossible to provision/manage 844E and Gigispire products but
running two different management systems isn't really in the cards.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 6:10 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> We chose Plume, the customer app and the ISP cloud panel runs circles
> around Calix’s
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> *Date: *Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 5:29 PM
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> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi
>
>
>
> We use Plume and its pretty good.  If the decision were entirely in my
> court I'd have gone with Calix.  Long term it aligns better with where I
> think the company should be going - all fiber all the time, but if all you
> are looking for is simple wifi that works then Plume is pretty good.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
> We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some of our more demanding
> clients that either have big homes, or just want the best. We currently use
> Mikrotik HAP AC Lite which don't have great coverage, but great features
> for us in terms of management.
>
>
>
> So for those that need more coverage etc, we thought we could offer
> something for a monthly fee like Plume or Calix
>
> Has anyone used them before? Thoughts and comments?
>
> https://www.plume.com/products/
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

[Ken Hohhof]

Now Friday 'bout a week ago
Leroy shootin' dice
And at the edge of the bar
Sat a girl named Doris
And oo that girl looked nice
Well he cast his eyes upon her
And the trouble soon began
And Leroy Brown learned a lesson
'Bout messin' with the wife of a jealous man

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 8:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

 

Funny, some guys are jazzed when other guys notice their wife in a good way.  
Others want to punch anyone out that looks at her.  I have always been in the 
former.  But I have almost gotten punched out by the latter.

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 7:41 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

 

I think that might get a guy punched

 

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 11:49 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Now, if his wife had been in the frame that could have a different 
interpretation.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 9:57 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

 

That dish looks fabulous! The sandwich doesn't look bad either!

 

bp

 

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Huevo con Chorizo en pan Blanco...yum..cooked it with Irish butter






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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast

[Steve Jones]

I am the former, we even tried the swang thang for a younger period. I like
people to look at some shit, but some shit I dont. Like the other day I was
sitting on my folks porch and this wretch walking down the road looked in
my truck window, I wanted to pummel him. I had a bunch of tools and
equipment in there.
Now if the same equipment was hung and running I would like people looking
at it.

It's all context

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 8:56 PM  wrote:

> Funny, some guys are jazzed when other guys notice their wife in a good
> way.  Others want to punch anyone out that looks at her.  I have always
> been in the former.  But I have almost gotten punched out by the latter.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2020 7:41 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast
>
> I think that might get a guy punched
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 11:49 AM  wrote:
>
>> Now, if his wife had been in the frame that could have a different
>> interpretation.
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2020 9:57 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast
>>
>>
>> That dish looks fabulous! The sandwich doesn't look bad either!
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 8/18/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Huevo con Chorizo en pan Blanco...yum..cooked it with Irish butter
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