date:20200312

IMO you'd rather be able to remotely cycle the power than not, but yeah 
I'd say my biggest complaints on that front are:


1) Normally open.  So controller or software failure == everything off.  
I'm looking at digital loggers on that one.


2) Technicians learning to rely on it.  "Oh that AP is down again, 
better reboot it.  Ok there I fixed it."  Repeat every week without ever 
fixing the underlying problem.



On 3/11/2020 6:12 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
I used to do that, back in the day.  Then I had the problem where the 
PDUs Started failing and turning everything off more than the PDUs 
were helping me by letting me power cycle things.  Or the Failure was 
something like the router, so the PDU couldn't be accessed anyway.


On 3/11/2020 5:04 PM, Darren Shea wrote:


We are putting remote PDUs at all sites as a general precaution – 
there’s too many devices which can fail/crash, requiring a truck 
roll, that end up getting fixed by a power cycle. It doesn’t take too 
many disruptions like that to realize the value of a remote reboot 
with ping watchdog option.


*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 5:09 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

If you see enough problems that you're putting in a a remote PDU - 
replace the router before putting in the PDU unless absolutely 
nothing else than the RB4011 will work.


On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 4:31 PM Darren Shea > wrote:


I only have one RB4011 in the field, but it seems to have a
problem a couple
times a year. I now have it on a remote PDU which can power-cycle
it when it
stops responding to pings, but if they come out with a f/w fix
for this
problem, I'd be very interested!

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:24 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] RB4011 Lockups

This week I've had 2 RB4011 Routers lockup requiring a power
cycle. They
were still passing some traffic, but stopped doing things like
handing
out DHCP, or responding to SNMP.  And you couldn't log into them via
Winbox or MACNeighbor.

One was on ROS6.44.3, the other on ROS6.45.  Both of them were doing
NAT, whereas most of my Mikrotiks are only routing. Both of these
locations have multiple RB4011s, and only the one doing NAT
locked up.
Nothing is recorded in the log other than the reboot.  These were
both
routers that have been installed for months.  One router lockup I
can
attribute to a fluke, but 2 in the same week is worrysome.  Has
any one
else noticed anything?

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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

Regardless of your stance on this president, problems he has are 
rambling off topic and speaking words whose literal meaning is 100% 
backwards from what he actually meant.


I'm glad we're not actually halting all trade with Europe.  That would 
be absurd.



On 3/11/2020 10:43 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
it was on a teleprompter. that CNN guy is going ballistic about it 
like it impacted everyone for the misunderstanding. Glad its clarified 
though


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:41 PM Bill Prince > wrote:


He might have been attempting to say trade embargo, but had a
brain fart.


bp


On 3/11/2020 7:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


OK, never mind.  I see this clarification from I think an NYT
contributor on Twitter:

The White House clarifies the president's Europe travel ban "only
applies to human beings, not goods and cargo. It tracks very
similar to the proclamation issued for China. The people
transporting goods will not be admitted into the country, but the
goods will be."

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:30 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

*Subject:* [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being
reported as a 30 day European travel ban.  But I heard him say
“these prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous amount
of trade and cargo, but various other things as we get approval. 
Anything coming from Europe to the United States is what we are
discussing.”

He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think he
misspoke or ad libbed.

Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be blocked,
at least for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked imports from
China.  We use equipment that comes from European countries like
Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia, etc.  Not sure how this would be
implemented or if it makes any sense to block thing imported
goods.  Also not sure what the “various other things” would be. 
After people, trade and cargo, what else is there? Internet?

News reports don’t seem to be interpreting it the way I heard it,
so maybe I’m wrong?


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[AFMUG] stock market dive

2020-03-12 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

Stock market down 9.3% right now. Already went through 1 circuit breaker
pause this morning. Is this the time to buy in? Dow Jones currently at
21,442. I believe it will go back up to 30,000 by the end of the year.
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Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

2020-03-12 Thread Carl Peterson

Hard to know when to catch the falling knife so if you believe in DOW 30K
by EOY then any time is a good time.  I think there is some more space for
down but who really knows.  Individual stocks may be a better bet -
everything is getting dragged down with the stuff that may die / have real
long term damage.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:57 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Stock market down 9.3% right now. Already went through 1 circuit breaker
> pause this morning. Is this the time to buy in? Dow Jones currently at
> 21,442. I believe it will go back up to 30,000 by the end of the year.
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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

2020-03-12 Thread Chuck McCown

She bounced right back.  Thanks f she had it it was as very mild.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 11, 2020, at 9:48 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> I picked up some AGM batteries at Zeus today, they are made in China.  Am I 
> going to die?  I assumed they ship batteries by boat and by the time they get 
> here any viruses are long dead.
>  
> Chuck, how is your employee I think she was production supervisor or 
> something, who was sick after opening the Chinese PCBs?  My daughter in Maine 
> just texted me she is over a nasty cold.  Sometimes a cold is just a cold.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 10:42 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>  
> yeah, don lemon, i cant watch that guy for more than about 2 minutes, hes so 
> high every night he doesnt even know whats going on,i see him gone the way of 
> that dude that retired on air the other day very soon. 
>  
> On a serious note, we are planning to disinfect anything coming in from 
> anywhere, within reason. I doubt its gonna be an issue, but the amazon 
> warehouse guy probably got it from air freight, so why risk it. I figure a 
> lysol of the box  and contents, but i cant see going much beyond that without 
> destroying electronics.
> I did lysol the shit out of some batteries i got from china off ebay for my 
> dad today, hes 78 and has COPD, so i got that shit pretty wet with lysol. Hes 
> soldering them so any residue will burn off and clear with flux. im not even 
> sure how they got here so fast from china, my tool is still there since 
> january, getting pretty pissed
>  
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:31 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> I was doing some cnMaestro stuff with the TV on in the background and some 
> CNN guy was just going berserk at John Kasich, wouldn’t let him talk.  Is 
> that Don Lemon?  It seems like he really lost it.  Is that what you were 
> referring to?
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:44 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>  
> it was on a teleprompter. that CNN guy is going ballistic about it like it 
> impacted everyone for the misunderstanding. Glad its clarified though
>  
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:41 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
> He might have been attempting to say trade embargo, but had a brain fart.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 3/11/2020 7:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> OK, never mind.  I see this clarification from I think an NYT contributor on 
> Twitter:
>  
> The White House clarifies the president's Europe travel ban "only applies to 
> human beings, not goods and cargo. It tracks very similar to the proclamation 
> issued for China. The people transporting goods will not be admitted into the 
> country, but the goods will be."
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:30 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>  
> Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being reported as a 30 
> day European travel ban.  But I heard him say “these prohibitions will not 
> only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various other 
> things as we get approval.  Anything coming from Europe to the United States 
> is what we are discussing.”
>  
> He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think he misspoke or 
> ad libbed.
>  
> Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be blocked, at least 
> for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked imports from China.  We use 
> equipment that comes from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia, 
> etc.  Not sure how this would be implemented or if it makes any sense to 
> block thing imported goods.  Also not sure what the “various other things” 
> would be.  After people, trade and cargo, what else is there?  Internet?
>  
> News reports don’t seem to be interpreting it the way I heard it, so maybe 
> I’m wrong?
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

I wish I had a ton of dough to put in there. So much money to be made. Its
so worth getting in. Theres no risk right now, unless its a company that
goes defunct. If it all collapses, it doesnt matter, your dollars equal to
a Venezuelan dollar at that point

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:03 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Hard to know when to catch the falling knife so if you believe in DOW 30K
> by EOY then any time is a good time.  I think there is some more space for
> down but who really knows.  Individual stocks may be a better bet -
> everything is getting dragged down with the stuff that may die / have real
> long term damage.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:57 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> Stock market down 9.3% right now. Already went through 1 circuit breaker
>> pause this morning. Is this the time to buy in? Dow Jones currently at
>> 21,442. I believe it will go back up to 30,000 by the end of the year.
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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?


  
  
I've heard from several reliable sources that you do not need to
  worry about the virus on shipping packages. The amount of time
  that it can survive on other surfaces can be variable.


bp



On 3/11/2020 8:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
I picked up some AGM batteries at Zeus
  today, they are made in China.  Am I going to die?  I assumed
  they ship batteries by boat and by the time they get here any
  viruses are long dead.
 
Chuck, how is your employee I think she was
  production supervisor or something, who was sick after opening
  the Chinese PCBs?  My daughter in Maine just texted me she is
  over a nasty cold.  Sometimes a cold is just a cold.
 
 
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Steve
  Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 10:42 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade
  and cargo"?
 

  yeah, don lemon, i cant watch that guy
for more than about 2 minutes, hes so high every night he
doesnt even know whats going on,i see him gone the way of
that dude that retired on air the other day very soon. 
  
 
  
  
On a serious note, we are planning to
  disinfect anything coming in from anywhere, within reason.
  I doubt its gonna be an issue, but the amazon warehouse
  guy probably got it from air freight, so why risk it. I
  figure a lysol of the box  and contents, but i cant see
  going much beyond that without destroying electronics.
  
  
I did lysol the shit out of some
  batteries i got from china off ebay for my dad today, hes
  78 and has COPD, so i got that shit pretty wet with lysol.
  Hes soldering them so any residue will burn off and clear
  with flux. im not even sure how they got here so fast from
  china, my tool is still there since january, getting
  pretty pissed
  

 

  
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:31 PM Ken
  Hohhof  wrote:
  
  

  
I
  was doing some cnMaestro stuff with the TV on in the
  background and some CNN guy was just going berserk at
  John Kasich, wouldn’t let him talk.  Is that Don
  Lemon?  It seems like he really lost it.  Is that what
  you were referring to?
 
From:
  AF 
  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:44 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also
  "trade and cargo"?
 

  it
was on a teleprompter. that CNN guy is going
ballistic about it like it impacted everyone for the
misunderstanding. Glad its clarified though

 

  
On
  Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:41 PM Bill Prince 
  wrote:
  
  

  He might have been attempting to say trade
embargo, but had a brain fart.
   
  bp
  
   
  
On
  3/11/2020 7:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  
  

  OK,
never mind.  I see this clarification from I
think an NYT contributor on Twitter:
   
  The
White House clarifies the president's Europe
travel ban "only applies to human beings,
not goods and cargo. It tracks very similar
to the proclamation issued for China. The
people transporting goods will not be
admitted into the country, but the goods
will be."
   
   
  

  From:
AF 
On Behalf Of Ke

Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

I'm sure it doesn't survive the boat ride, but how many people handle a 
package before it gets to your door?


Or do the reliable sources say it can't survive on a cardboard box?

I'm not trying to make any statement about danger, just asking because I 
don't know.



On 3/12/2020 10:41 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


I've heard from several reliable sources that you do not need to worry 
about the virus on shipping packages. The amount of time that it can 
survive on other surfaces can be variable.



bp


On 3/11/2020 8:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I picked up some AGM batteries at Zeus today, they are made in 
China.  Am I going to die?  I assumed they ship batteries by boat and 
by the time they get here any viruses are long dead.


Chuck, how is your employee I think she was production supervisor or 
something, who was sick after opening the Chinese PCBs?  My daughter 
in Maine just texted me she is over a nasty cold.  Sometimes a cold 
is just a cold.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 10:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

yeah, don lemon, i cant watch that guy for more than about 2 minutes, 
hes so high every night he doesnt even know whats going on,i see him 
gone the way of that dude that retired on air the other day very soon.


On a serious note, we are planning to disinfect anything coming in 
from anywhere, within reason. I doubt its gonna be an issue, but the 
amazon warehouse guy probably got it from air freight, so why risk 
it. I figure a lysol of the box  and contents, but i cant see going 
much beyond that without destroying electronics.


I did lysol the shit out of some batteries i got from china off ebay 
for my dad today, hes 78 and has COPD, so i got that shit pretty wet 
with lysol. Hes soldering them so any residue will burn off and clear 
with flux. im not even sure how they got here so fast from china, my 
tool is still there since january, getting pretty pissed


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:31 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


I was doing some cnMaestro stuff with the TV on in the background
and some CNN guy was just going berserk at John Kasich, wouldn’t
let him talk.  Is that Don Lemon?  It seems like he really lost
it.  Is that what you were referring to?

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:44 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

it was on a teleprompter. that CNN guy is going ballistic about
it like it impacted everyone for the misunderstanding. Glad its
clarified though

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:41 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

He might have been attempting to say trade embargo, but had a
brain fart.

bp



  


On 3/11/2020 7:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

OK, never mind.  I see this clarification from I think an
NYT contributor on Twitter:

The White House clarifies the president's Europe travel
ban "only applies to human beings, not goods and cargo.
It tracks very similar to the proclamation issued for
China. The people transporting goods will not be admitted
into the country, but the goods will be."

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:30 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and
cargo"?

Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is
being reported as a 30 day European travel ban.  But I
heard him say “these prohibitions will not only apply to
the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various
other things as we get approval.  Anything coming from
Europe to the United States is what we are discussing.”

He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t
think he misspoke or ad libbed.

Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be
blocked, at least for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve
blocked imports from China.  We use equipment that comes
from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia,
etc.  Not sure how this would be implemented or if it
makes any sense to block thing imported goods.  Also not
sure what the “various other things” would be.  After
people, trade and cargo, what else is there?  Internet?

News reports don’t seem to be interpreting it the way I
heard it, so maybe I’m wrong?

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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

My only concern is air freight and overnight. These warehouses work the
pickers like hogs. I doubt theyre wearing PPE or can afford to stay home
sick. probably wiping their noses with their hands and coughing all over
everything. Risk is minimal, but spray is cheap

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:41 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I've heard from several reliable sources that you do not need to worry
> about the virus on shipping packages. The amount of time that it can
> survive on other surfaces can be variable.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/11/2020 8:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I picked up some AGM batteries at Zeus today, they are made in China.  Am
> I going to die?  I assumed they ship batteries by boat and by the time they
> get here any viruses are long dead.
>
>
>
> Chuck, how is your employee I think she was production supervisor or
> something, who was sick after opening the Chinese PCBs?  My daughter in
> Maine just texted me she is over a nasty cold.  Sometimes a cold is just a
> cold.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 10:42 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
>
>
> yeah, don lemon, i cant watch that guy for more than about 2 minutes, hes
> so high every night he doesnt even know whats going on,i see him gone the
> way of that dude that retired on air the other day very soon.
>
>
>
> On a serious note, we are planning to disinfect anything coming in from
> anywhere, within reason. I doubt its gonna be an issue, but the amazon
> warehouse guy probably got it from air freight, so why risk it. I figure a
> lysol of the box  and contents, but i cant see going much beyond that
> without destroying electronics.
>
> I did lysol the shit out of some batteries i got from china off ebay for
> my dad today, hes 78 and has COPD, so i got that shit pretty wet with
> lysol. Hes soldering them so any residue will burn off and clear with flux.
> im not even sure how they got here so fast from china, my tool is still
> there since january, getting pretty pissed
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:31 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I was doing some cnMaestro stuff with the TV on in the background and some
> CNN guy was just going berserk at John Kasich, wouldn’t let him talk.  Is
> that Don Lemon?  It seems like he really lost it.  Is that what you were
> referring to?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
>
>
> it was on a teleprompter. that CNN guy is going ballistic about it like it
> impacted everyone for the misunderstanding. Glad its clarified though
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:41 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> He might have been attempting to say trade embargo, but had a brain fart.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/11/2020 7:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> OK, never mind.  I see this clarification from I think an NYT contributor
> on Twitter:
>
>
>
> The White House clarifies the president's Europe travel ban "only applies
> to human beings, not goods and cargo. It tracks very similar to the
> proclamation issued for China. The people transporting goods will not be
> admitted into the country, but the goods will be."
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:30 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
>
>
> Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being reported as a
> 30 day European travel ban.  But I heard him say “these prohibitions will
> not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various
> other things as we get approval.  Anything coming from Europe to the United
> States is what we are discussing.”
>
>
>
> He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think he misspoke
> or ad libbed.
>
>
>
> Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be blocked, at least
> for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked imports from China.  We use
> equipment that comes from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia,
> etc.  Not sure how this would be implemented or if it makes any sense to
> block thing imported goods.  Also not sure what the “various other things”
> would be.  After people, trade and cargo, what else is there?  Internet?
>
>
>
> News reports don’t seem to be interpreting it the way I heard it, so maybe
> I’m wrong?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?


  
  
If you have any concern whatsoever, just wash your hands. I
  needed to go to HD yesterday. I carried a mini bottle of Purell in
  my pocket so I could disinfect at will. All of the clerks were
  wearing latex gloves.

bp



On 3/12/2020 7:45 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  I'm sure it doesn't survive the boat ride, but how many people
handle a package before it gets to your door?  
  
  Or do the reliable sources say it can't survive on a cardboard
box? 
  
  I'm not trying to make any statement about danger, just asking
because I don't know.
  
  
  On 3/12/2020 10:41 AM, Bill Prince
wrote:
  
  

I've heard from several reliable sources that you do not need
  to worry about the virus on shipping packages. The amount of
  time that it can survive on other surfaces can be variable.


bp



On 3/11/2020 8:47 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
I picked up some AGM batteries at Zeus
  today, they are made in China.  Am I going to die?  I
  assumed they ship batteries by boat and by the time they
  get here any viruses are long dead.
 
Chuck, how is your employee I think she
  was production supervisor or something, who was sick after
  opening the Chinese PCBs?  My daughter in Maine just
  texted me she is over a nasty cold.  Sometimes a cold is
  just a cold.
 
 
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 10:42 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also
  "trade and cargo"?
 

  yeah, don lemon, i cant watch that
guy for more than about 2 minutes, hes so high every
night he doesnt even know whats going on,i see him gone
the way of that dude that retired on air the other day
very soon. 
  
 
  
  
On a serious note, we are planning
  to disinfect anything coming in from anywhere, within
  reason. I doubt its gonna be an issue, but the amazon
  warehouse guy probably got it from air freight, so why
  risk it. I figure a lysol of the box  and contents,
  but i cant see going much beyond that without
  destroying electronics.
  
  
I did lysol the shit out of some
  batteries i got from china off ebay for my dad today,
  hes 78 and has COPD, so i got that shit pretty wet
  with lysol. Hes soldering them so any residue will
  burn off and clear with flux. im not even sure how
  they got here so fast from china, my tool is still
  there since january, getting pretty pissed
  

 

  
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:31 PM
  Ken Hohhof 
  wrote:
  
  

  
I
  was doing some cnMaestro stuff with the TV on in
  the background and some CNN guy was just going
  berserk at John Kasich, wouldn’t let him talk.  Is
  that Don Lemon?  It seems like he really lost it. 
  Is that what you were referring to?
 
From:
  AF 
  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:44 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or
  also "trade and cargo"?
 

  it
was on a teleprompter. that CNN guy is going
ballistic about it like it impacted everyone for
the misunderstanding. Glad its clarified though

 

  
On
  Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:41 PM Bill Prince 
  wrote:
  
  

  He might have been attempting to say trade
embargo, but had a brain fart.

Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?


I see what you're saying now.


On 3/12/2020 10:52 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


If you have any concern whatsoever, just wash your hands. I needed to 
go to HD yesterday. I carried a mini bottle of Purell in my pocket so 
I could disinfect at will. All of the clerks were wearing latex gloves.


bp


On 3/12/2020 7:45 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


I'm sure it doesn't survive the boat ride, but how many people handle 
a package before it gets to your door?


Or do the reliable sources say it can't survive on a cardboard box?

I'm not trying to make any statement about danger, just asking 
because I don't know.



On 3/12/2020 10:41 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


I've heard from several reliable sources that you do not need to 
worry about the virus on shipping packages. The amount of time that 
it can survive on other surfaces can be variable.



bp


On 3/11/2020 8:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I picked up some AGM batteries at Zeus today, they are made in 
China.  Am I going to die? I assumed they ship batteries by boat 
and by the time they get here any viruses are long dead.


Chuck, how is your employee I think she was production supervisor 
or something, who was sick after opening the Chinese PCBs?  My 
daughter in Maine just texted me she is over a nasty cold.  
Sometimes a cold is just a cold.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 10:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

yeah, don lemon, i cant watch that guy for more than about 2 
minutes, hes so high every night he doesnt even know whats going 
on,i see him gone the way of that dude that retired on air the 
other day very soon.


On a serious note, we are planning to disinfect anything coming in 
from anywhere, within reason. I doubt its gonna be an issue, but 
the amazon warehouse guy probably got it from air freight, so why 
risk it. I figure a lysol of the box  and contents, but i cant see 
going much beyond that without destroying electronics.


I did lysol the shit out of some batteries i got from china off 
ebay for my dad today, hes 78 and has COPD, so i got that shit 
pretty wet with lysol. Hes soldering them so any residue will burn 
off and clear with flux. im not even sure how they got here so fast 
from china, my tool is still there since january, getting pretty pissed


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:31 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


I was doing some cnMaestro stuff with the TV on in the
background and some CNN guy was just going berserk at John
Kasich, wouldn’t let him talk. Is that Don Lemon?  It seems
like he really lost it.  Is that what you were referring to?

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:44 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and
cargo"?

it was on a teleprompter. that CNN guy is going ballistic about
it like it impacted everyone for the misunderstanding. Glad its
clarified though

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:41 PM Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

He might have been attempting to say trade embargo, but had
a brain fart.

bp



  


On 3/11/2020 7:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

OK, never mind.  I see this clarification from I think
an NYT contributor on Twitter:

The White House clarifies the president's Europe travel
ban "only applies to human beings, not goods and cargo.
It tracks very similar to the proclamation issued for
China. The people transporting goods will not be
admitted into the country, but the goods will be."

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:30 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade
and cargo"?

Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is
being reported as a 30 day European travel ban.  But I
heard him say “these prohibitions will not only apply
to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but
various other things as we get approval.  Anything
coming from Europe to the United States is what we are
discussing.”

He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t
think he misspoke or ad libbed.

Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will
be blocked, at least for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve
blocked imports from China.  We use equipment that
comes from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary,
Latvia, etc. Not sure how thi

Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

2020-03-12 Thread Josh Luthman

If people aren't sick and they're carriers, does it take more than 4 days
to boat the goods?  Planes are obviously much quicker, under that 4 day
incubation period.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:52 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> If you have any concern whatsoever, just wash your hands. I needed to go
> to HD yesterday. I carried a mini bottle of Purell in my pocket so I could
> disinfect at will. All of the clerks were wearing latex gloves.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/12/2020 7:45 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I'm sure it doesn't survive the boat ride, but how many people handle a
> package before it gets to your door?
>
> Or do the reliable sources say it can't survive on a cardboard box?
>
> I'm not trying to make any statement about danger, just asking because I
> don't know.
>
>
> On 3/12/2020 10:41 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> I've heard from several reliable sources that you do not need to worry
> about the virus on shipping packages. The amount of time that it can
> survive on other surfaces can be variable.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/11/2020 8:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I picked up some AGM batteries at Zeus today, they are made in China.  Am
> I going to die?  I assumed they ship batteries by boat and by the time they
> get here any viruses are long dead.
>
>
>
> Chuck, how is your employee I think she was production supervisor or
> something, who was sick after opening the Chinese PCBs?  My daughter in
> Maine just texted me she is over a nasty cold.  Sometimes a cold is just a
> cold.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 10:42 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
>
>
> yeah, don lemon, i cant watch that guy for more than about 2 minutes, hes
> so high every night he doesnt even know whats going on,i see him gone the
> way of that dude that retired on air the other day very soon.
>
>
>
> On a serious note, we are planning to disinfect anything coming in from
> anywhere, within reason. I doubt its gonna be an issue, but the amazon
> warehouse guy probably got it from air freight, so why risk it. I figure a
> lysol of the box  and contents, but i cant see going much beyond that
> without destroying electronics.
>
> I did lysol the shit out of some batteries i got from china off ebay for
> my dad today, hes 78 and has COPD, so i got that shit pretty wet with
> lysol. Hes soldering them so any residue will burn off and clear with flux.
> im not even sure how they got here so fast from china, my tool is still
> there since january, getting pretty pissed
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:31 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I was doing some cnMaestro stuff with the TV on in the background and some
> CNN guy was just going berserk at John Kasich, wouldn’t let him talk.  Is
> that Don Lemon?  It seems like he really lost it.  Is that what you were
> referring to?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
>
>
> it was on a teleprompter. that CNN guy is going ballistic about it like it
> impacted everyone for the misunderstanding. Glad its clarified though
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:41 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> He might have been attempting to say trade embargo, but had a brain fart.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/11/2020 7:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> OK, never mind.  I see this clarification from I think an NYT contributor
> on Twitter:
>
>
>
> The White House clarifies the president's Europe travel ban "only applies
> to human beings, not goods and cargo. It tracks very similar to the
> proclamation issued for China. The people transporting goods will not be
> admitted into the country, but the goods will be."
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:30 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
>
>
> Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being reported as a
> 30 day European travel ban.  But I heard him say “these prohibitions will
> not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various
> other things as we get approval.  Anything coming from Europe to the United
> States is what we are discussing.”
>
>
>
> He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think he misspoke
> or ad libbed.
>
>
>
> Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be blocked, at least
> for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked imports from China.  We use
> equipment that comes from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia,
> etc.  Not sure how this would be implemented or if it makes any sense to
> block thing imported goods.  Also not sure what the “various other things”
> wo

Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

There was a report of a newish study saying it can live for 3 days on surfaces. 
 I am inferring that is the limit...

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 8:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

I'm sure it doesn't survive the boat ride, but how many people handle a package 
before it gets to your door?  

Or do the reliable sources say it can't survive on a cardboard box? 

I'm not trying to make any statement about danger, just asking because I don't 
know.

On 3/12/2020 10:41 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

  I've heard from several reliable sources that you do not need to worry about 
the virus on shipping packages. The amount of time that it can survive on other 
surfaces can be variable.

bp

On 3/11/2020 8:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I picked up some AGM batteries at Zeus today, they are made in China.  Am I 
going to die?  I assumed they ship batteries by boat and by the time they get 
here any viruses are long dead.

Chuck, how is your employee I think she was production supervisor or 
something, who was sick after opening the Chinese PCBs?  My daughter in Maine 
just texted me she is over a nasty cold.  Sometimes a cold is just a cold.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 10:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

yeah, don lemon, i cant watch that guy for more than about 2 minutes, hes 
so high every night he doesnt even know whats going on,i see him gone the way 
of that dude that retired on air the other day very soon. 

On a serious note, we are planning to disinfect anything coming in from 
anywhere, within reason. I doubt its gonna be an issue, but the amazon 
warehouse guy probably got it from air freight, so why risk it. I figure a 
lysol of the box  and contents, but i cant see going much beyond that without 
destroying electronics.

I did lysol the shit out of some batteries i got from china off ebay for my 
dad today, hes 78 and has COPD, so i got that shit pretty wet with lysol. Hes 
soldering them so any residue will burn off and clear with flux. im not even 
sure how they got here so fast from china, my tool is still there since 
january, getting pretty pissed

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:31 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  I was doing some cnMaestro stuff with the TV on in the background and 
some CNN guy was just going berserk at John Kasich, wouldn’t let him talk.  Is 
that Don Lemon?  It seems like he really lost it.  Is that what you were 
referring to?

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:44 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

  it was on a teleprompter. that CNN guy is going ballistic about it like 
it impacted everyone for the misunderstanding. Glad its clarified though

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:41 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

He might have been attempting to say trade embargo, but had a brain 
fart.

bp On 3/11/2020 7:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  OK, never mind.  I see this clarification from I think an NYT 
contributor on Twitter:

  The White House clarifies the president's Europe travel ban "only 
applies to human beings, not goods and cargo. It tracks very similar to the 
proclamation issued for China. The people transporting goods will not be 
admitted into the country, but the goods will be."

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:30 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

  Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being reported 
as a 30 day European travel ban.  But I heard him say “these prohibitions will 
not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various other 
things as we get approval.  Anything coming from Europe to the United States is 
what we are discussing.”

  He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think he 
misspoke or ad libbed.

  Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be blocked, at 
least for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked imports from China.  We use 
equipment that comes from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia, 
etc.  Not sure how this would be implemented or if it makes any sense to block 
thing imported goods.  Also not sure what the “various other things” would be.  
After people, trade and cargo, what else is there?  Internet?

  News reports don’t seem to be interp

Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

So buy Princess Cruises, sell Purell and Charmin?

 

BTW, I heard on the radio yesterday that the CME would be closing their trading 
floor starting tomorrow and going all-electronic.  Radio commentator was 
speculating that if that went OK, you could see it become permanent, with floor 
traders becoming extinct.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

 

I wish I had a ton of dough to put in there. So much money to be made. Its so 
worth getting in. Theres no risk right now, unless its a company that goes 
defunct. If it all collapses, it doesnt matter, your dollars equal to a 
Venezuelan dollar at that point 

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:03 AM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

Hard to know when to catch the falling knife so if you believe in DOW 30K by 
EOY then any time is a good time.  I think there is some more space for down 
but who really knows.  Individual stocks may be a better bet - everything is 
getting dragged down with the stuff that may die / have real long term damage.  

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:57 AM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Stock market down 9.3% right now. Already went through 1 circuit breaker pause 
this morning. Is this the time to buy in? Dow Jones currently at 21,442. I 
believe it will go back up to 30,000 by the end of the year.

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If Invest in anything Ill let you guys know what to avoid, my last
investment was keyon, so im the plague

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> So buy Princess Cruises, sell Purell and Charmin?
>
>
>
> BTW, I heard on the radio yesterday that the CME would be closing their
> trading floor starting tomorrow and going all-electronic.  Radio
> commentator was speculating that if that went OK, you could see it become
> permanent, with floor traders becoming extinct.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:17 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive
>
>
>
> I wish I had a ton of dough to put in there. So much money to be made. Its
> so worth getting in. Theres no risk right now, unless its a company that
> goes defunct. If it all collapses, it doesnt matter, your dollars equal to
> a Venezuelan dollar at that point
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:03 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Hard to know when to catch the falling knife so if you believe in DOW 30K
> by EOY then any time is a good time.  I think there is some more space for
> down but who really knows.  Individual stocks may be a better bet -
> everything is getting dragged down with the stuff that may die / have real
> long term damage.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:57 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Stock market down 9.3% right now. Already went through 1 circuit breaker
> pause this morning. Is this the time to buy in? Dow Jones currently at
> 21,442. I believe it will go back up to 30,000 by the end of the year.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive


  
  
Are you a harbinger of failure?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/opinion/harbinger-failure.html


bp



On 3/12/2020 8:35 AM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  If Invest in anything Ill let you guys know what to
avoid, my last investment was keyon, so im the plague
  
  
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:17
  AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:


  

  So buy Princess Cruises, sell Purell
and Charmin?
   
  BTW, I heard on the radio yesterday
that the CME would be closing their trading floor
starting tomorrow and going all-electronic.  Radio
commentator was speculating that if that went OK, you
could see it become permanent, with floor traders
becoming extinct.
   
  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive
   
  
I wish I had a ton of dough to put
  in there. So much money to be made. Its so worth
  getting in. Theres no risk right now, unless its a
  company that goes defunct. If it all collapses, it
  doesnt matter, your dollars equal to a Venezuelan
  dollar at that point 
  
   
  

  On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:03 AM
Carl Peterson 
wrote:


  

  Hard to know when to catch
the falling knife so if you believe in DOW 30K
by EOY then any time is a good time.  I think
there is some more space for down but who really
knows.  Individual stocks may be a better bet -
everything is getting dragged down with the
stuff that may die / have real long term
damage.  

 

  
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at
  8:57 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
  wrote:
  
  

  Stock market down 9.3%
right now. Already went through 1 circuit
breaker pause this morning. Is this the time
to buy in? Dow Jones currently at 21,442. I
believe it will go back up to 30,000 by
the end of the year.

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Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

Hard to beat moviepass.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

If Invest in anything Ill let you guys know what to avoid, my last investment 
was keyon, so im the plague

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  So buy Princess Cruises, sell Purell and Charmin?

  BTW, I heard on the radio yesterday that the CME would be closing their 
trading floor starting tomorrow and going all-electronic.  Radio commentator 
was speculating that if that went OK, you could see it become permanent, with 
floor traders becoming extinct.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:17 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

  I wish I had a ton of dough to put in there. So much money to be made. Its so 
worth getting in. Theres no risk right now, unless its a company that goes 
defunct. If it all collapses, it doesnt matter, your dollars equal to a 
Venezuelan dollar at that point 

  On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:03 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

Hard to know when to catch the falling knife so if you believe in DOW 30K 
by EOY then any time is a good time.  I think there is some more space for down 
but who really knows.  Individual stocks may be a better bet - everything is 
getting dragged down with the stuff that may die / have real long term damage.  

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:57 AM Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:

  Stock market down 9.3% right now. Already went through 1 circuit breaker 
pause this morning. Is this the time to buy in? Dow Jones currently at 21,442. 
I believe it will go back up to 30,000 by the end of the year.

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Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

At least you have the bragging rights because of it.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:59 AM
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Hard to beat moviepass.

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

If Invest in anything Ill let you guys know what to avoid, my last investment 
was keyon, so im the plague

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
So buy Princess Cruises, sell Purell and Charmin?

BTW, I heard on the radio yesterday that the CME would be closing their trading 
floor starting tomorrow and going all-electronic.  Radio commentator was 
speculating that if that went OK, you could see it become permanent, with floor 
traders becoming extinct.

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I wish I had a ton of dough to put in there. So much money to be made. Its so 
worth getting in. Theres no risk right now, unless its a company that goes 
defunct. If it all collapses, it doesnt matter, your dollars equal to a 
Venezuelan dollar at that point

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:03 AM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
Hard to know when to catch the falling knife so if you believe in DOW 30K by 
EOY then any time is a good time.  I think there is some more space for down 
but who really knows.  Individual stocks may be a better bet - everything is 
getting dragged down with the stuff that may die / have real long term damage.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:57 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Stock market down 9.3% right now. Already went through 1 circuit breaker pause 
this morning. Is this the time to buy in? Dow Jones currently at 21,442. I 
believe it will go back up to 30,000 by the end of the year.
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Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

Well, Boeing (BA) is getting the crap kicked out of it.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
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Hard to beat moviepass.  

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:35 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

If Invest in anything Ill let you guys know what to avoid, my last investment 
was keyon, so im the plague

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

So buy Princess Cruises, sell Purell and Charmin?

BTW, I heard on the radio yesterday that the CME would be closing their trading 
floor starting tomorrow and going all-electronic.  Radio commentator was 
speculating that if that went OK, you could see it become permanent, with floor 
traders becoming extinct.

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I wish I had a ton of dough to put in there. So much money to be made. Its so 
worth getting in. Theres no risk right now, unless its a company that goes 
defunct. If it all collapses, it doesnt matter, your dollars equal to a 
Venezuelan dollar at that point 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:03 AM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

Hard to know when to catch the falling knife so if you believe in DOW 30K by 
EOY then any time is a good time.  I think there is some more space for down 
but who really knows.  Individual stocks may be a better bet - everything is 
getting dragged down with the stuff that may die / have real long term damage.  

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:57 AM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Stock market down 9.3% right now. Already went through 1 circuit breaker pause 
this morning. Is this the time to buy in? Dow Jones currently at 21,442. I 
believe it will go back up to 30,000 by the end of the year.

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Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

I am probably going to move to an unsecured investment at 12%.  
A friend of mine runs a check cashing payday loan company.  
I have invested with him before.  

Might be a better place to hang out than an index fund for the next year or 
two.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
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Well, Boeing (BA) is getting the crap kicked out of it.

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Hard to beat moviepass.  

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:35 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

If Invest in anything Ill let you guys know what to avoid, my last investment 
was keyon, so im the plague

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  So buy Princess Cruises, sell Purell and Charmin?

  BTW, I heard on the radio yesterday that the CME would be closing their 
trading floor starting tomorrow and going all-electronic.  Radio commentator 
was speculating that if that went OK, you could see it become permanent, with 
floor traders becoming extinct.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:17 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

  I wish I had a ton of dough to put in there. So much money to be made. Its so 
worth getting in. Theres no risk right now, unless its a company that goes 
defunct. If it all collapses, it doesnt matter, your dollars equal to a 
Venezuelan dollar at that point 

  On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:03 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

Hard to know when to catch the falling knife so if you believe in DOW 30K 
by EOY then any time is a good time.  I think there is some more space for down 
but who really knows.  Individual stocks may be a better bet - everything is 
getting dragged down with the stuff that may die / have real long term damage.  

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:57 AM Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:

  Stock market down 9.3% right now. Already went through 1 circuit breaker 
pause this morning. Is this the time to buy in? Dow Jones currently at 21,442. 
I believe it will go back up to 30,000 by the end of the year.

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Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive


  
  
I would think that a 30 or 60 day pause in air traffic would give
  them a little breathing room for their 373 Max problem.


bp



On 3/12/2020 9:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Well, Boeing (BA) is getting the crap
  kicked out of it.
 

  
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  Hard to beat
  moviepass.  


  

   


  
From:
Steve Jones 
  
  
Sent:
Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:35 AM
  
  
To:
AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  
  
Subject:
Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive
  

  
  
 
  


  
If Invest in
anything Ill let you guys know what to avoid, my
last investment was keyon, so im the plague
  
  
 
  
  

  On Thu, Mar
  12, 2020 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof 
  wrote:


  

  So buy
  Princess Cruises, sell Purell and Charmin?
   
  BTW, I
  heard on the radio yesterday that the CME
  would be closing their trading floor starting
  tomorrow and going all-electronic.  Radio
  commentator was speculating that if that went
  OK, you could see it become permanent, with
  floor traders becoming extinct.
   
  From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:17 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive
   
  
I wish
I had a ton of dough to put in there. So
much money to be made. Its so worth getting
in. Theres no risk right now, unless its a
company that goes defunct. If it all
collapses, it doesnt matter, your dollars
equal to a Venezuelan dollar at that point 
  
   
  

  On
  Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:03 AM Carl Peterson
  
  wrote:


  

  Hard
  to know when to catch the falling
  knife so if you believe in DOW 30K by
  EOY then any time is a good time.  I
  think there is some more space for
  down but who really knows.  Individual
  stocks may be a better bet -
  everything is getting dragged down
  with the stuff that may die / have
  real long term damage.  

 

  
On
Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:57 AM Kurt
Fankhauser 
wrote:
  
  

  Stock market down 9.3% right now.
  Already went through 1 circuit
  breaker pause this morning. Is

Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

>From a conservative source..

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being reported as a
> 30 day European travel ban.  But I heard him say “these prohibitions will
> not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various
> other things as we get approval.  Anything coming from Europe to the United
> States is what we are discussing.”
>
>
>
> He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think he misspoke
> or ad libbed.
>
>
>
> Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be blocked, at least
> for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked imports from China.  We use
> equipment that comes from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia,
> etc.  Not sure how this would be implemented or if it makes any sense to
> block thing imported goods.  Also not sure what the “various other things”
> would be.  After people, trade and cargo, what else is there?  Internet?
>
>
>
> News reports don’t seem to be interpreting it the way I heard it, so maybe
> I’m wrong?
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2020-03-12 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

I am thankful for MoviePass if they had not done what they did I doubt amc 
awould offer their a list program now which I have thoroughly enjoyed along 
with my wife back when I had time to use it LOL

Sent from my smartphone

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At least you have the bragging rights because of it.

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Hard to beat moviepass. 

From: Steve Jones

Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:35 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

If Invest in anything Ill let you guys know what to avoid, my last investment 
was keyon, so im the plague

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

So buy Princess Cruises, sell Purell and Charmin?

BTW, I heard on the radio yesterday that the CME would be closing their trading 
floor starting tomorrow and going all-electronic.  Radio commentator was
speculating that if that went OK, you could see it become permanent, with floor 
traders becoming extinct.

From: AF 
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Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:17 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

I wish I had a ton of dough to put in there. So much money to be made. Its so 
worth getting in. Theres no risk right now, unless its a company that goes
defunct. If it all collapses, it doesnt matter, your dollars equal to a 
Venezuelan dollar at that point

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:03 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

Hard to know when to catch the falling knife so if you believe in DOW 30K by 
EOY then any time is a good time.  I think there is some more space for down
but who really knows.  Individual stocks may be a better bet - everything is 
getting dragged down with the stuff that may die / have real long term damage. 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:57 AM Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:

Stock market down 9.3% right now. Already went through 1 circuit breaker pause 
this morning. Is this the time to buy in? Dow Jones currently at 21,442.
I believe it will go back up to 30,000 by the end of the year.

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I agree with Carl.
Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
we are suffering the consequences.
You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
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> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
> infrastructure of society".
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
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>>> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>>>
>>> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
>>> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
>>> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
>>> flatten the curve.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.

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 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
> We
> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
>
> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.  

But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
If we dropped the ball so did many nations.

No need to reply.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I agree with Carl. 
Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let that 
sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now we are 
suffering the consequences.
You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness. 

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson  wrote:

  Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the 
infrastructure of society".  

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not 
being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during 
swine flu, and we made it though it

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

  "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."  

  IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of 
society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a point 
at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to flatten the 
curve.   

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.


Josh Luthman
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

  I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the 
safety of everyone.

  Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

  I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we 
should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We 
need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and 
financially.

  
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

  https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

  Best regards,

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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

2020-03-12 Thread Josh Luthman

>From what I've heard it's 4 day incubation (within someone's body).

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On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:12 AM  wrote:

> There was a report of a newish study saying it can live for 3 days on
> surfaces.  I am inferring that is the limit...
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 8:45 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
>
> I'm sure it doesn't survive the boat ride, but how many people handle a
> package before it gets to your door?
>
> Or do the reliable sources say it can't survive on a cardboard box?
>
> I'm not trying to make any statement about danger, just asking because I
> don't know.
>
>
> On 3/12/2020 10:41 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> I've heard from several reliable sources that you do not need to worry
> about the virus on shipping packages. The amount of time that it can
> survive on other surfaces can be variable.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/11/2020 8:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I picked up some AGM batteries at Zeus today, they are made in China.  Am
> I going to die?  I assumed they ship batteries by boat and by the time they
> get here any viruses are long dead.
>
>
>
> Chuck, how is your employee I think she was production supervisor or
> something, who was sick after opening the Chinese PCBs?  My daughter in
> Maine just texted me she is over a nasty cold.  Sometimes a cold is just a
> cold.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 10:42 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
>
>
> yeah, don lemon, i cant watch that guy for more than about 2 minutes, hes
> so high every night he doesnt even know whats going on,i see him gone the
> way of that dude that retired on air the other day very soon.
>
>
>
> On a serious note, we are planning to disinfect anything coming in from
> anywhere, within reason. I doubt its gonna be an issue, but the amazon
> warehouse guy probably got it from air freight, so why risk it. I figure a
> lysol of the box  and contents, but i cant see going much beyond that
> without destroying electronics.
>
> I did lysol the shit out of some batteries i got from china off ebay for
> my dad today, hes 78 and has COPD, so i got that shit pretty wet with
> lysol. Hes soldering them so any residue will burn off and clear with flux.
> im not even sure how they got here so fast from china, my tool is still
> there since january, getting pretty pissed
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:31 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I was doing some cnMaestro stuff with the TV on in the background and some
> CNN guy was just going berserk at John Kasich, wouldn’t let him talk.  Is
> that Don Lemon?  It seems like he really lost it.  Is that what you were
> referring to?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
>
>
> it was on a teleprompter. that CNN guy is going ballistic about it like it
> impacted everyone for the misunderstanding. Glad its clarified though
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:41 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> He might have been attempting to say trade embargo, but had a brain fart.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/11/2020 7:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> OK, never mind.  I see this clarification from I think an NYT contributor
> on Twitter:
>
>
>
> The White House clarifies the president's Europe travel ban "only applies
> to human beings, not goods and cargo. It tracks very similar to the
> proclamation issued for China. The people transporting goods will not be
> admitted into the country, but the goods will be."
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:30 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
>
>
> Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being reported as a
> 30 day European travel ban.  But I heard him say “these prohibitions will
> not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various
> other things as we get approval.  Anything coming from Europe to the United
> States is what we are discussing.”
>
>
>
> He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think he misspoke
> or ad libbed.
>
>
>
> Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be blocked, at least
> for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked imports from China.  We use
> equipment that comes from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia,
> etc.  Not sure how this would be implemented or if it makes any sense to
> block thing imported goods.  Also not sure what the “various other things”
> woul

Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

This looks more like a Gaussian curve than exponential growth to me.  
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

>From what I've heard it's 4 day incubation (within someone's body).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:12 AM  wrote:

  There was a report of a newish study saying it can live for 3 days on 
surfaces.  I am inferring that is the limit...

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 8:45 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

  I'm sure it doesn't survive the boat ride, but how many people handle a 
package before it gets to your door?  

  Or do the reliable sources say it can't survive on a cardboard box? 

  I'm not trying to make any statement about danger, just asking because I 
don't know.

  On 3/12/2020 10:41 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I've heard from several reliable sources that you do not need to worry 
about the virus on shipping packages. The amount of time that it can survive on 
other surfaces can be variable.

bp

On 3/11/2020 8:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  I picked up some AGM batteries at Zeus today, they are made in China.  Am 
I going to die?  I assumed they ship batteries by boat and by the time they get 
here any viruses are long dead.

  Chuck, how is your employee I think she was production supervisor or 
something, who was sick after opening the Chinese PCBs?  My daughter in Maine 
just texted me she is over a nasty cold.  Sometimes a cold is just a cold.

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 10:42 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

  yeah, don lemon, i cant watch that guy for more than about 2 minutes, hes 
so high every night he doesnt even know whats going on,i see him gone the way 
of that dude that retired on air the other day very soon. 

  On a serious note, we are planning to disinfect anything coming in from 
anywhere, within reason. I doubt its gonna be an issue, but the amazon 
warehouse guy probably got it from air freight, so why risk it. I figure a 
lysol of the box  and contents, but i cant see going much beyond that without 
destroying electronics.

  I did lysol the shit out of some batteries i got from china off ebay for 
my dad today, hes 78 and has COPD, so i got that shit pretty wet with lysol. 
Hes soldering them so any residue will burn off and clear with flux. im not 
even sure how they got here so fast from china, my tool is still there since 
january, getting pretty pissed

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:31 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

I was doing some cnMaestro stuff with the TV on in the background and 
some CNN guy was just going berserk at John Kasich, wouldn’t let him talk.  Is 
that Don Lemon?  It seems like he really lost it.  Is that what you were 
referring to?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

it was on a teleprompter. that CNN guy is going ballistic about it like 
it impacted everyone for the misunderstanding. Glad its clarified though

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:41 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  He might have been attempting to say trade embargo, but had a brain 
fart.

bp On 3/11/2020 7:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

OK, never mind.  I see this clarification from I think an NYT 
contributor on Twitter:

The White House clarifies the president's Europe travel ban "only 
applies to human beings, not goods and cargo. It tracks very similar to the 
proclamation issued for China. The people transporting goods will not be 
admitted into the country, but the goods will be."

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:30 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being 
reported as a 30 day European travel ban.  But I heard him say “these 
prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, 
but various other things as we get approval.  Anything coming from Europe to 
the United States is what we are discussing.”

He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think he 
misspoke or ad libbed.

Does this not sound like all imports from Europe

Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

Traders must be thinking airlines will be hit hard and will cancel a lot of 
planes they’ve ordered?

 

It was hard to believe things could get worse for Boeing after the past year.  
But I guess things can always get worse.  The BA price graph looks like a plane 
that MCAS is flying into the ground.

 

Anyway, BA is off its lows for the day and the DJIA keeps going lower, so they 
are converging.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:40 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

 

I would think that a 30 or 60 day pause in air traffic would give them a little 
breathing room for their 373 Max problem.

 

bp

 

On 3/12/2020 9:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, Boeing (BA) is getting the crap kicked out of it.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

 

Hard to beat moviepass.  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:35 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

 

If Invest in anything Ill let you guys know what to avoid, my last investment 
was keyon, so im the plague

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

So buy Princess Cruises, sell Purell and Charmin?

 

BTW, I heard on the radio yesterday that the CME would be closing their trading 
floor starting tomorrow and going all-electronic.  Radio commentator was 
speculating that if that went OK, you could see it become permanent, with floor 
traders becoming extinct.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

 

I wish I had a ton of dough to put in there. So much money to be made. Its so 
worth getting in. Theres no risk right now, unless its a company that goes 
defunct. If it all collapses, it doesnt matter, your dollars equal to a 
Venezuelan dollar at that point 

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:03 AM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

Hard to know when to catch the falling knife so if you believe in DOW 30K by 
EOY then any time is a good time.  I think there is some more space for down 
but who really knows.  Individual stocks may be a better bet - everything is 
getting dragged down with the stuff that may die / have real long term damage.  

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:57 AM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Stock market down 9.3% right now. Already went through 1 circuit breaker pause 
this morning. Is this the time to buy in? Dow Jones currently at 21,442. I 
believe it will go back up to 30,000 by the end of the year.

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica


  
  
IMO, I think disbanding the pandemic response team in 2018 was
  not a wise decision. If they were still operating when this
  started late last year, they could/would have started the
  production of test kits based on our earliest knowledge of the RNA
  test needed to identify it. Then we would have had real
  information on the extent of the outbreak here. Instead, we went
  for weeks under the mistaken impression that it was not here. It
  was, we just had our heads in the sand.


bp



On 3/12/2020 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it
is lent.  
   
  But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
  But I am curious as to what more the US could have
done...
  If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
   
  No need to reply.  
  

   
  
From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and
  WISPAmerica
  

 
  
  
I agree with Carl.
  Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading
exponentially...let that sink in. Our current
administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now we are
suffering the consequences.
  You can't cure wait for itwait for it.
ineptness. 

 

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020,
12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:
  
  
Canceling or rescheduling a conference is
  by no means "Breaking down the infrastructure of
  society".  
 

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020
at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:
  
  
Breaking down the infrastructure of
  society over fear mongering is not being a very
  responsible member of society at all. This didnt
  happen during swine flu, and we made it though it
 

  On Wed, Mar 11,
2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:
  
  

  "If you're concerned about
getting sick, just don't go." 
 
IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about
  being a responsible member of society. 
  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that
  point, but there is a point at which the
  responsible thing to do is cancel large
  gatherings to flatten the curve.   
  
   
  
On Wed,
  Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
  wrote:


  If you're concerned about
getting sick, just don't go.

  

   
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
  

 
  
   
  
On
  Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean
  Heskett 
  wrote:


  I’m sorry folks but this
conference really should be canceled
for the safety of everyone.
   
  T

Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

2020-03-12 Thread Carl Peterson

BA is off its lows because the Fed announced they are essentially going to
dump a bunch of cash into the markets to free up some liquidity - There is
real risk that banks could freeze BA's line of credit and that could kill
BA.  The fundamentals still suck but people are betting on a liquidity
bailout from the feds.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Traders must be thinking airlines will be hit hard and will cancel a lot
> of planes they’ve ordered?
>
>
>
> It was hard to believe things could get worse for Boeing after the past
> year.  But I guess things can always get worse.  The BA price graph looks
> like a plane that MCAS is flying into the ground.
>
>
>
> Anyway, BA is off its lows for the day and the DJIA keeps going lower, so
> they are converging.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:40 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive
>
>
>
> I would think that a 30 or 60 day pause in air traffic would give them a
> little breathing room for their 373 Max problem.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/12/2020 9:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Well, Boeing (BA) is getting the crap kicked out of it.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:59 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive
>
>
>
> Hard to beat moviepass.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:35 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive
>
>
>
> If Invest in anything Ill let you guys know what to avoid, my last
> investment was keyon, so im the plague
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> So buy Princess Cruises, sell Purell and Charmin?
>
>
>
> BTW, I heard on the radio yesterday that the CME would be closing their
> trading floor starting tomorrow and going all-electronic.  Radio
> commentator was speculating that if that went OK, you could see it become
> permanent, with floor traders becoming extinct.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:17 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive
>
>
>
> I wish I had a ton of dough to put in there. So much money to be made. Its
> so worth getting in. Theres no risk right now, unless its a company that
> goes defunct. If it all collapses, it doesnt matter, your dollars equal to
> a Venezuelan dollar at that point
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:03 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Hard to know when to catch the falling knife so if you believe in DOW 30K
> by EOY then any time is a good time.  I think there is some more space for
> down but who really knows.  Individual stocks may be a better bet -
> everything is getting dragged down with the stuff that may die / have real
> long term damage.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:57 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Stock market down 9.3% right now. Already went through 1 circuit breaker
> pause this morning. Is this the time to buy in? Dow Jones currently at
> 21,442. I believe it will go back up to 30,000 by the end of the year.
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

We should have a fish fry.   Is that only a Midwest thing?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.

But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
If we dropped the ball so did many nations.

No need to reply.

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I agree with Carl.
Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let that 
sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now we are 
suffering the consequences.
You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the 
infrastructure of society".

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not being a 
very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during swine flu, 
and we made it though it

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
"If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."

IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of society.  
I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a point at which 
the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to flatten the curve.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and 
our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,

-Sean

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Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive


  
  
BA is also screwing the pooch on their crew capsule thing. SpaceX
  is way ahead of them, even though BA is absorbing way more cash.


bp



On 3/12/2020 9:54 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Traders must be thinking airlines will be
  hit hard and will cancel a lot of planes they’ve ordered?
 
It was hard to believe things could get
  worse for Boeing after the past year.  But I guess things can
  always get worse.  The BA price graph looks like a plane that
  MCAS is flying into the ground.
 
Anyway, BA is off its lows for the day and
  the DJIA keeps going lower, so they are converging.
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:40 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive
  

 
I would think that a 30 or 60 day pause in air traffic would
  give them a little breathing room for their 373 Max problem.
 
bp

 

  On 3/12/2020 9:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  Well, Boeing (BA) is getting the crap
kicked out of it.
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

  
   
  

  
Hard to beat
moviepass.  
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From:
  Steve Jones 


  Sent:
  Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:35 AM


  To:
  AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 


  Subject:
  Re: [AFMUG] stock market dive

  


   

  
  

  If Invest in
  anything Ill let you guys know what to avoid, my
  last investment was keyon, so im the plague


   


  
On Thu, Mar
12, 2020 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof 
wrote:
  
  

  
So buy
Princess Cruises, sell Purell and Charmin?
 
BTW, I
heard on the radio yesterday that the CME
would be closing their trading floor
starting tomorrow and going all-electronic. 
Radio commentator was speculating that if
that went OK, you could see it become
permanent, with floor traders becoming
extinct.
 
From: AF

On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:17
AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stock market
dive
 

  I
  wish I had a ton of dough to put in there.
  So much money to be made. Its so worth
  getting in. Theres no risk right now,
  unless its a company that goes defunct. If
  it all collapses, it doesnt matter, your
  dollars equal to a Venezuelan dollar at
  that point 

 

  
On
Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:03 AM Carl
Peterson 
wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Keefe John

Even more so a Wisconsin thing. :)

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Direct: 262.345.5200

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On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:31 PM James Howard  wrote:

> We should have a fish fry.   Is that only a Midwest thing?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
>
>
>
> But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
>
> But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
>
> If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
>
>
>
> No need to reply.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> I agree with Carl.
>
> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
> we are suffering the consequences.
>
> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
> infrastructure of society".
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
> swine flu, and we made it though it
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>
>
>
> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
> flatten the curve.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
>
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
>
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
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Well we have them pretty much year round in Wisconsin but I thought other 
places had them during Lent too.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Even more so a Wisconsin thing. :)

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On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:31 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
We should have a fish fry.   Is that only a Midwest thing?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.

But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
If we dropped the ball so did many nations.

No need to reply.

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I agree with Carl.
Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let that 
sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now we are 
suffering the consequences.
You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the 
infrastructure of society".

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not being a 
very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during swine flu, 
and we made it though it

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
"If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."

IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of society.  
I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a point at which 
the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to flatten the curve.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett 
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I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and 
our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Carl Peterson

We have them in MN as well, but that's pretty much the same as Wisconsin
except with better everything.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:43 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Well we have them pretty much year round in Wisconsin but I thought other
> places had them during Lent too.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Keefe John
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:39 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Even more so a Wisconsin thing. :)
>
>
> Keefe John
>
> CEO
>
> Ethoplex
> Direct: 262.345.5200
>
> 
> Ethoplex Business Internet
> http://www.ethoplex.com/
> Signal Residential Internet
> http://www.signalisp.com/
>
>
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:31 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> We should have a fish fry.   Is that only a Midwest thing?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
>
>
>
> But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
>
> But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
>
> If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
>
>
>
> No need to reply.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> I agree with Carl.
>
> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
> we are suffering the consequences.
>
> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
> infrastructure of society".
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
> swine flu, and we made it though it
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>
>
>
> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
> flatten the curve.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
>
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
>
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica


  
  
Generally, MN fish are better than WI fish.  Excepting sturgeon.


bp



On 3/12/2020 10:47 AM, Carl Peterson
  wrote:


  
  
We have them in MN as well, but that's pretty
  much the same as Wisconsin except with better everything.  


  On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at
12:43 PM James Howard 
wrote:
  
  

  
Well
we have them pretty much year round in Wisconsin but
I thought other places had them during Lent too.
 

  
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and
WISPAmerica
  

 

  Even more so a Wisconsin thing.
:)
  



  

  

  

  Keefe John
  
CEO
  
  
Ethoplex 
Direct: 262.345.5200 
  
  
 
Ethoplex Business Internet 
  http://www.ethoplex.com/ 
Signal Residential Internet 
  http://www.signalisp.com/ 
  
  
 
  
  
https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
  

  

  

  

 
  

 

  
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:31
  PM James Howard 
  wrote:
  
  

  
We
should have a fish fry.   Is that only a
Midwest thing?
 

  
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020
11:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and
WISPAmerica
  

 

  

  I
  am going to do a cheap shot here and
  remind everyone it is lent. 



   


  But
  before I do that, I am musing about
  the following:


  But
  I am curious as to what more the US
  could have done...


  If
  we dropped the ball so did many
  nations.


   


  No
  need to reply.

[AFMUG] 3gbps full deplex over 10 miles

2020-03-12 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

Has anyone tried anything like this? I was thinking of licensing a path for
2 separate 11ghz 80mhz pairs and then installing Aviat links on the pairs.
Aviat is telling me those radios should do 1.6gbps full duplex. And then
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I grew up in the pacific northwest.  Surgeon sometimes was fantastic, sometimes 
was so nasty fishy you could not eat it.  I guess it has to do with the 
preparation.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Generally, MN fish are better than WI fish.  Excepting sturgeon.

bp

On 3/12/2020 10:47 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

  We have them in MN as well, but that's pretty much the same as Wisconsin 
except with better everything.  

  On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:43 PM James Howard  wrote:

Well we have them pretty much year round in Wisconsin but I thought other 
places had them during Lent too.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Even more so a Wisconsin thing. :)

Keefe John

CEO

Ethoplex 
Direct: 262.345.5200 

Ethoplex Business Internet 
http://www.ethoplex.com/ 
Signal Residential Internet 
http://www.signalisp.com/ 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:31 PM James Howard  wrote:

  We should have a fish fry.   Is that only a Midwest thing?

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:48 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

  I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.  

  But before I do that, I am musing about the following:

  But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...

  If we dropped the ball so did many nations.

  No need to reply.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 

  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

  I agree with Carl. 

  Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let 
that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now we 
are suffering the consequences.

  You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness. 

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down 
the infrastructure of society".  

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is 
not being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during 
swine flu, and we made it though it

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
 wrote:

"If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."  

IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of 
society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a point 
at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to flatten the 
curve.   

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  
wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled 
for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull 
out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think 
we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We 
need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and 
financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,

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Re: [AFMUG] 3gbps full deplex over 10 miles

Why not, nobody says you cannot rack up two licensed radios in the same rack or 
enclosure.  This just takes it a bit beyond that.  

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] 3gbps full deplex over 10 miles

Has anyone tried anything like this? I was thinking of licensing a path for 2 
separate 11ghz 80mhz pairs and then installing Aviat links on the pairs. Aviat 
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together using a pair of Mikrotik boxes running ECMP OSPF routing. Does this 
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Re: [AFMUG] 3gbps full deplex over 10 miles

2020-03-12 Thread Scott Lightfoot (HSC)

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/Bonding

 

I haven’t used LACP or channel bonding on Mikrotik but its works great on Cisco 
equipment.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: March 12, 2020 12:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] 3gbps full deplex over 10 miles

 

Has anyone tried anything like this? I was thinking of licensing a path for 2 
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Keefe John

The staple Wisconsin fish fry is cod or haddock but some places have perch,
bluegill, or walleye.

Keefe John
CEO
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Direct: 262.345.5200

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On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 1:03 PM  wrote:

> I grew up in the pacific northwest.  Surgeon sometimes was fantastic,
> sometimes was so nasty fishy you could not eat it.  I guess it has to do
> with the preparation.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:50 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
> Generally, MN fish are better than WI fish.  Excepting sturgeon.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/12/2020 10:47 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
> We have them in MN as well, but that's pretty much the same as Wisconsin
> except with better everything.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:43 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> Well we have them pretty much year round in Wisconsin but I thought other
>> places had them during Lent too.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Keefe John
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:39 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>
>>
>>
>> Even more so a Wisconsin thing. :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Keefe John
>>
>> CEO
>>
>> Ethoplex
>> Direct: 262.345.5200
>>
>> 
>> Ethoplex Business Internet
>> http://www.ethoplex.com/
>> Signal Residential Internet
>> http://www.signalisp.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:31 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> We should have a fish fry.   Is that only a Midwest thing?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
>> ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:48 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
>>
>>
>>
>> But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
>>
>> But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
>>
>> If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
>>
>>
>>
>> No need to reply.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with Carl.
>>
>> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
>> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
>> we are suffering the consequences.
>>
>> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
>> infrastructure of society".
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>>
>>
>>
>> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
>> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
>> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
>> flatten the curve.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
>> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
>> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>
>>
>>
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica


  
  
Grew up in the Midwest. My parents were fishing nuts. We had
  fishing vacations almost every year. In the summer, we would go to
  MN for freshwater fishing (Walleye, Bass, Crappy, etc.). In the
  fall, my folks would go to WI to get river Sturgeon. The Sturgeon
  were huge, and we would have a big fish fry afterward. My dad
  loved Sturgeon because they had no bones. Tasted good too. I
  haven't had Sturgeon in several decades. We have it in the delta
  NE of here, but I've never had any.


bp



On 3/12/2020 11:03 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I grew up in the pacific northwest.  Surgeon sometimes
was fantastic, sometimes was so nasty fishy you could not
eat it.  I guess it has to do with the preparation.  
  

   
  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and
  WISPAmerica
  

 
  
  
Generally, MN fish are better than WI fish.  Excepting
  sturgeon.
 
bp



On 3/12/2020 10:47 AM, Carl
  Peterson wrote:


  
We have them in MN as well, but that's
  pretty much the same as Wisconsin except with better
  everything.  
 

  On Thu, Mar 12, 2020
at 12:43 PM James Howard 
wrote:
  
  

  
Well we have them
pretty much year round in Wisconsin but I
thought other places had them during Lent
too.
 

  
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020
12:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and
WISPAmerica
  

 

  Even more so a Wisconsin
thing. :)
  
 

  

  

  

  Keefe
John
  
CEO
  
  
Ethoplex

Direct: 262.345.5200 
  
  


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Internet 
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Internet 
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
  

  

  

  

 
  

 

  
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at
  12:31 PM James Howard

Re: [AFMUG] 3gbps full deplex over 10 miles

hp is solid too.
you could technically get 4gbpsish with 2 radio links and 3 80mhz channels

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 1:05 PM Scott Lightfoot (HSC) <
scott.lightf...@highspeedcrow.ca> wrote:

> https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/Bonding
>
>
>
> I haven’t used LACP or channel bonding on Mikrotik but its works great on
> Cisco equipment.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* March 12, 2020 12:56 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3gbps full deplex over 10 miles
>
>
>
> Has anyone tried anything like this? I was thinking of licensing a path
> for 2 separate 11ghz 80mhz pairs and then installing Aviat links on the
> pairs. Aviat is telling me those radios should do 1.6gbps full duplex. And
> then boding them together using a pair of Mikrotik boxes running ECMP OSPF
> routing. Does this sound like it would work?
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

the pandemic response team had no plan in play post swine flu. they were
disbanded, rightfully for not doing their job. period
lent

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:56 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> IMO, I think disbanding the pandemic response team in 2018 was not a wise
> decision. If they were still operating when this started late last year,
> they could/would have started the production of test kits based on our
> earliest knowledge of the RNA test needed to identify it. Then we would
> have had real information on the extent of the outbreak here. Instead, we
> went for weeks under the mistaken impression that it was not here. It was,
> we just had our heads in the sand.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/12/2020 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
>
> But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
> But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
> If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
>
> No need to reply.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> I agree with Carl.
> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
> we are suffering the consequences.
> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
>> infrastructure of society".
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
>>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson <
>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>
 "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."

 IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
 society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
 point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
 flatten the curve.

 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
>> We
>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

my dad goes to wisconsin to catch your fish for illinois fish frys. crisco
makes a butter flavor, its awesome for a fish fry
we also get string chees and curds from wisconsin
when i start glassing places, wisconsin is safe

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:40 PM Keefe John  wrote:

> Even more so a Wisconsin thing. :)
>
> Keefe John
> CEO
> Ethoplex
> Direct: 262.345.5200
> 
> Ethoplex Business Internet
> http://www.ethoplex.com/
> Signal Residential Internet
> http://www.signalisp.com/
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:31 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> We should have a fish fry.   Is that only a Midwest thing?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
>> ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:48 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
>>
>>
>>
>> But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
>>
>> But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
>>
>> If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
>>
>>
>>
>> No need to reply.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with Carl.
>>
>> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
>> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
>> we are suffering the consequences.
>>
>> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
>> infrastructure of society".
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>>
>>
>>
>> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
>> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
>> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
>> flatten the curve.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
>> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
>> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>
>>
>>
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Lewis Bergman

This seems to be under the heading of Lint. I'm no fan but I doubt any of
the people who have recently sought the job would do any better. In fact,
at this point only South Korea seems to be on top of things. They came up
with a novel approach with drive through testing that is credited with
allowing for twice the testing numbers with lower exposure rates. They were
one of the first hit and reacted pretty swiftly.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:45 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I agree with Carl.
> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
> we are suffering the consequences.
> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
>> infrastructure of society".
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
>>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson <
>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>
 "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."

 IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
 society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
 point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
 flatten the curve.

 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
>> We
>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] 3gbps full deplex over 10 miles

2020-03-12 Thread can...@believewireless.net

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:21 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> hp is solid too.
> you could technically get 4gbpsish with 2 radio links and 3 80mhz channels
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 1:05 PM Scott Lightfoot (HSC) <
> scott.lightf...@highspeedcrow.ca> wrote:
>
>> https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/Bonding
>>
>>
>>
>> I haven’t used LACP or channel bonding on Mikrotik but its works great on
>> Cisco equipment.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* March 12, 2020 12:56 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3gbps full deplex over 10 miles
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone tried anything like this? I was thinking of licensing a path
>> for 2 separate 11ghz 80mhz pairs and then installing Aviat links on the
>> pairs. Aviat is telling me those radios should do 1.6gbps full duplex. And
>> then boding them together using a pair of Mikrotik boxes running ECMP OSPF
>> routing. Does this sound like it would work?
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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

2020-03-12 Thread Lewis Bergman

It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the level of
disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of delivering such a
speech, I am sure Trump is. I would hope that a speech isn't all someone
expects as a government response in times like these.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> From a conservative source..
>
>
> https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being reported as
>> a 30 day European travel ban.  But I heard him say “these prohibitions will
>> not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various
>> other things as we get approval.  Anything coming from Europe to the United
>> States is what we are discussing.”
>>
>>
>>
>> He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think he misspoke
>> or ad libbed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be blocked, at
>> least for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked imports from China.  We use
>> equipment that comes from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia,
>> etc.  Not sure how this would be implemented or if it makes any sense to
>> block thing imported goods.  Also not sure what the “various other things”
>> would be.  After people, trade and cargo, what else is there?  Internet?
>>
>>
>>
>> News reports don’t seem to be interpreting it the way I heard it, so
>> maybe I’m wrong?
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Cameron Crum

NNNDDD...they caved. Canceled!

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 1:58 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> This seems to be under the heading of Lint. I'm no fan but I doubt any of
> the people who have recently sought the job would do any better. In fact,
> at this point only South Korea seems to be on top of things. They came up
> with a novel approach with drive through testing that is credited with
> allowing for twice the testing numbers with lower exposure rates. They were
> one of the first hit and reacted pretty swiftly.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:45 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Carl.
>> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
>> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
>> we are suffering the consequences.
>> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
>>> infrastructure of society".
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
 being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
 swine flu, and we made it though it

 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson <
 cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:

> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>
> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
> flatten the curve.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for
>>> the safety of everyone.
>>>
>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>
>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially. 
>>>  We
>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>> financially.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to write a book when 
you need one...)

Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked it out of the ball 
park...

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the level of 
disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of delivering such a speech, I 
am sure Trump is. I would hope that a speech isn't all someone expects as a 
government response in times like these.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  From a conservative source.. 

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being reported as a 
30 day European travel ban.  But I heard him say “these prohibitions will not 
only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various other 
things as we get approval.  Anything coming from Europe to the United States is 
what we are discussing.”

He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think he misspoke or 
ad libbed.

Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be blocked, at least 
for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked imports from China.  We use equipment 
that comes from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia, etc.  Not 
sure how this would be implemented or if it makes any sense to block thing 
imported goods.  Also not sure what the “various other things” would be.  After 
people, trade and cargo, what else is there?  Internet?

News reports don’t seem to be interpreting it the way I heard it, so maybe 
I’m wrong?

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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

Of course everyone in No. Korea probably has a light touch of seasonal flu 
right now...

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to write a book when 
you need one...)

Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked it out of the ball 
park...

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the level of 
disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of delivering such a speech, I 
am sure Trump is. I would hope that a speech isn't all someone expects as a 
government response in times like these.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  From a conservative source.. 

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being reported as a 
30 day European travel ban.  But I heard him say “these prohibitions will not 
only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various other 
things as we get approval.  Anything coming from Europe to the United States is 
what we are discussing.”

He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think he misspoke or 
ad libbed.

Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be blocked, at least 
for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked imports from China.  We use equipment 
that comes from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia, etc.  Not 
sure how this would be implemented or if it makes any sense to block thing 
imported goods.  Also not sure what the “various other things” would be.  After 
people, trade and cargo, what else is there?  Internet?

News reports don’t seem to be interpreting it the way I heard it, so maybe 
I’m wrong?

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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?


Hahaha

I was just wondering to what extent we're willing to go and whether it 
will be worth it.  NY Legislature voted to give our governor a bunch of 
emergency powers.  Then of course the governor declared an emergency so 
he could exercise those powers.  I doubt they'll take the time to undo 
that later.  When it comes to the federal response be careful what you 
wish for.



On 3/12/2020 3:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to write a 
book when you need one...)
Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked it out of 
the ball park...

*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the level 
of disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of delivering such 
a speech, I am sure Trump is. I would hope that a speech isn't all 
someone expects as a government response in times like these.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:


From a conservative source..

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being
reported as a 30 day European travel ban.  But I heard him say
“these prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous
amount of trade and cargo, but various other things as we get
approval.  Anything coming from Europe to the United States is
what we are discussing.”

He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think
he misspoke or ad libbed.

Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be
blocked, at least for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked
imports from China.  We use equipment that comes from European
countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia, etc.  Not sure how
this would be implemented or if it makes any sense to block
thing imported goods.  Also not sure what the “various other
things” would be.  After people, trade and cargo, what else is
there?  Internet?

News reports don’t seem to be interpreting it the way I heard
it, so maybe I’m wrong?

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Re: [AFMUG] 3gbps full deplex over 10 miles

2020-03-12 Thread Joseph.Schraml


Kurt,



SIAE does exactly what you're looking to do.



We run two ALFOPlus2 (dual carrier radios) in a 4+0 configuration, two vertical 
and two horizontal channels.



With 80 MHz channels (11 or 18 GHz), each radio provides 1.4 - 1.6 Gbps 
full-duplex (depending on packet size, IFG, etc), so two radios would double 
that to 2.8 - 3.2 Gbps full duplex.



Both radios are mated to a combiner where the two vertical carriers are 
presented to a single waveguide, the two horizontal carriers are presented to a 
separate waveguide. Then each of the WG ports are connected to a dual pole 
waveguide antenna.



Drop me a note if you'd like more info or run a link calc for you.





Thanks,

 



 

Joe Schraml

VP Sales Operations & Marketing

SIAE Microelettronica, Inc.

+1 (408) 832-4884

joseph.schr...@siaemic.com

www.siaemic.com




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Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

Supposedly it is fixed again.  Would some of you mind taking a look again?
Thanks.
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We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.

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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

2020-03-12 Thread Lewis Bergman

I have heard that, but having a police state where movement is already
curtailed and everybody is taught from birth to believe the stubby leader
is a super hero does have benefits. It is impossible to compare a society
like that to one of almost any other type. Reminds me of World War Z with
Brad Pitt. There was a little social engineering speech in there that seems
apropos.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM  wrote:

> He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to write a book
> when you need one...)
>
> Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked it out of the
> ball park...
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
> It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the level of
> disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of delivering such a
> speech, I am sure Trump is. I would hope that a speech isn't all someone
> expects as a government response in times like these.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> From a conservative source..
>>
>>
>> https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being reported as
>>> a 30 day European travel ban.  But I heard him say “these prohibitions will
>>> not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various
>>> other things as we get approval.  Anything coming from Europe to the United
>>> States is what we are discussing.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think he misspoke
>>> or ad libbed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be blocked, at
>>> least for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked imports from China.  We use
>>> equipment that comes from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia,
>>> etc.  Not sure how this would be implemented or if it makes any sense to
>>> block thing imported goods.  Also not sure what the “various other things”
>>> would be.  After people, trade and cargo, what else is there?  Internet?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> News reports don’t seem to be interpreting it the way I heard it, so
>>> maybe I’m wrong?
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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

Maybe James Franco could pay him a visit and see how they are doing it.

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

I have heard that, but having a police state where movement is already 
curtailed and everybody is taught from birth to believe the stubby leader is a 
super hero does have benefits. It is impossible to compare a society like that 
to one of almost any other type. Reminds me of World War Z with Brad Pitt. 
There was a little social engineering speech in there that seems apropos.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM  wrote:

  He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to write a book when 
you need one...)

  Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked it out of the 
ball park...

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

  It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the level of 
disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of delivering such a speech, I 
am sure Trump is. I would hope that a speech isn't all someone expects as a 
government response in times like these.

  On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

From a conservative source.. 

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being reported as 
a 30 day European travel ban.  But I heard him say “these prohibitions will not 
only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various other 
things as we get approval.  Anything coming from Europe to the United States is 
what we are discussing.”

  He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think he misspoke 
or ad libbed.

  Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be blocked, at 
least for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked imports from China.  We use 
equipment that comes from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia, 
etc.  Not sure how this would be implemented or if it makes any sense to block 
thing imported goods.  Also not sure what the “various other things” would be.  
After people, trade and cargo, what else is there?  Internet?

  News reports don’t seem to be interpreting it the way I heard it, so 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

2020-03-12 Thread TJ Trout

up but looks slow

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:50 PM  wrote:

> Supposedly it is fixed again.  Would some of you mind taking a look again?
> Thanks.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM  wrote:
>
>> We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

Didn't seem slow here.  Pages opened and had content that looked like it's 
correct.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

up but looks slow

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:50 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
Supposedly it is fixed again.  Would some of you mind taking a look again?
Thanks.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

2020-03-12 Thread can...@believewireless.net

It was slow initially but better now.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:08 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Didn’t seem slow here.  Pages opened and had content that looked like it’s
> correct.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT test please
>
>
>
> up but looks slow
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:50 PM  wrote:
>
> Supposedly it is fixed again.  Would some of you mind taking a look again?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM  wrote:
>
> We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.
>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

Electric cactus  porn

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 3:17 PM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> It was slow initially but better now.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:08 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> Didn’t seem slow here.  Pages opened and had content that looked like
>> it’s correct.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:01 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT test please
>>
>>
>>
>> up but looks slow
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:50 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Supposedly it is fixed again.  Would some of you mind taking a look again?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM  wrote:
>>
>> We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.
>>
>>
>>
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[AFMUG] VoIP QoS on Ubiquiti


Does Ubiquiti wireless equipment have any means to prioritize VoIP traffic?

I'm playing with LTU.  It seems promising, but I'm not finding any info 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

2020-03-12 Thread Mathew Howard

You have a dirty mind...

but the website works fine.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 3:22 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Electric cactus  porn
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 3:17 PM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> It was slow initially but better now.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:08 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> Didn’t seem slow here.  Pages opened and had content that looked like
>>> it’s correct.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:01 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT test please
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> up but looks slow
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:50 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> Supposedly it is fixed again.  Would some of you mind taking a look
>>> again?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to
>>> Josh.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Could the borg see if our site is working properly please?
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

Speaking of dirty minds and Ken’s posts about naughty words the other day.  
Does anyone else have the misfortune to be on Dick’s Sporting Goods email list? 
 My son signed me up and so I’m constantly getting their updates like this one 
just now.  Seems like some filter should flag these with all the political 
correctness out there:

DICK'S | Flash Sale: You better be quick! Up to 50% off. Ends tonight.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

You have a dirty mind...

but the website works fine.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 3:22 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Electric cactus  porn

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 3:17 PM 
can...@believewireless.net 
mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:
It was slow initially but better now.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:08 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Didn’t seem slow here.  Pages opened and had content that looked like it’s 
correct.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

up but looks slow

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:50 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
Supposedly it is fixed again.  Would some of you mind taking a look again?
Thanks.


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We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

2020-03-12 Thread can...@believewireless.net

Back in the day I worked for a company that had a firewall that reported if
you went to any "inappropriate" site.
I wanted to buy something from Dicks Sporting Goods and my first thought
was just to type in, "www.dicks.com."
Big mistake.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:40 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Speaking of dirty minds and Ken’s posts about naughty words the other
> day.  Does anyone else have the misfortune to be on Dick’s Sporting Goods
> email list?  My son signed me up and so I’m constantly getting their
> updates like this one just now.  Seems like some filter should flag these
> with all the political correctness out there:
>
>
>
> DICK'S | Flash Sale: You better be quick! Up to 50% off. Ends tonight.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:26 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT test please
>
>
>
> You have a dirty mind...
>
>
>
> but the website works fine.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 3:22 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Electric cactus  porn
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 3:17 PM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
> It was slow initially but better now.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:08 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> Didn’t seem slow here.  Pages opened and had content that looked like it’s
> correct.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT test please
>
>
>
> up but looks slow
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:50 PM  wrote:
>
> Supposedly it is fixed again.  Would some of you mind taking a look again?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM  wrote:
>
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>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

If we could shot everyone infected, we would have it contained to... btw,
can we shoot the infected?... asking for a friend. For real though, im
stopping out to top off ammunition tonight. When people say nobody needs
10,000 rounds of ammunition, I want to ask them how theyre doing on toilet
paper. I fear thats what they will come for, they will kick at my door with
their emaciated bony legs wanting to get the TP and not my food. I am
planning on taking the new infant home on next thursday, the wife has to
stay til friday or saturday for post op care from the c-section but the
baby is just required to stay one day. These morons are already lining up
at the hospital, convinced they have coronavision cause their TV told them
so. Bringing all their vile diseases with them to one place. some super-bug
is going to be created in that hospital. dirty vile disgusting cesspools of
death that hospitals already are. Ill post some pics, for those of you
still alive thursday, of me and the baby, with our toilet paper and guns.
We are under state of emergency, i never checked to see if illinois has the
constitutional carry under state of emergency like some states do.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:51 PM  wrote:

> Maybe James Franco could pay him a visit and see how they are doing it.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:48 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
> I have heard that, but having a police state where movement is already
> curtailed and everybody is taught from birth to believe the stubby leader
> is a super hero does have benefits. It is impossible to compare a society
> like that to one of almost any other type. Reminds me of World War Z with
> Brad Pitt. There was a little social engineering speech in there that seems
> apropos.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM  wrote:
>
>> He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to write a book
>> when you need one...)
>>
>> Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked it out of
>> the ball park...
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>>
>> It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the level of
>> disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of delivering such a
>> speech, I am sure Trump is. I would hope that a speech isn't all someone
>> expects as a government response in times like these.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From a conservative source..
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
 Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being reported
 as a 30 day European travel ban.  But I heard him say “these prohibitions
 will not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but
 various other things as we get approval.  Anything coming from Europe to
 the United States is what we are discussing.”

 He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think he
 misspoke or ad libbed.

 Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be blocked, at
 least for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked imports from China.  We use
 equipment that comes from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia,
 etc.  Not sure how this would be implemented or if it makes any sense to
 block thing imported goods.  Also not sure what the “various other things”
 would be.  After people, trade and cargo, what else is there?  Internet?

 News reports don’t seem to be interpreting it the way I heard it, so
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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/chinese-official-blames-coronavirus-outbreak-on-us-military/

It’s official.  The US is to blame for everything.

I was in the local grocery store to get something for lunch today and a couple 
of old women were pushing carts around full of toilet paper and diet pepsi 
(about even split it looked).  As I walked past one of them said to the other 
that they needed to go look for something else (couldn’t hear what it was 
though) because “gotta stock up before it’s hard to get”.   I wonder what you 
could possibly need besides tp and pepsi?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

If we could shot everyone infected, we would have it contained to... btw, can 
we shoot the infected?... asking for a friend. For real though, im stopping out 
to top off ammunition tonight. When people say nobody needs 10,000 rounds of 
ammunition, I want to ask them how theyre doing on toilet paper. I fear thats 
what they will come for, they will kick at my door with their emaciated bony 
legs wanting to get the TP and not my food. I am planning on taking the new 
infant home on next thursday, the wife has to stay til friday or saturday for 
post op care from the c-section but the baby is just required to stay one day. 
These morons are already lining up at the hospital, convinced they have 
coronavision cause their TV told them so. Bringing all their vile diseases with 
them to one place. some super-bug is going to be created in that hospital. 
dirty vile disgusting cesspools of death that hospitals already are. Ill post 
some pics, for those of you still alive thursday, of me and the baby, with our 
toilet paper and guns. We are under state of emergency, i never checked to see 
if illinois has the constitutional carry under state of emergency like some 
states do.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:51 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Maybe James Franco could pay him a visit and see how they are doing it.

From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

I have heard that, but having a police state where movement is already 
curtailed and everybody is taught from birth to believe the stubby leader is a 
super hero does have benefits. It is impossible to compare a society like that 
to one of almost any other type. Reminds me of World War Z with Brad Pitt. 
There was a little social engineering speech in there that seems apropos.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to write a book when 
you need one...)

Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked it out of the ball 
park...

From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the level of 
disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of delivering such a speech, I 
am sure Trump is. I would hope that a speech isn't all someone expects as a 
government response in times like these.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
From a conservative source..

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being reported as a 30 
day European travel ban.  But I heard him say “these prohibitions will not only 
apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various other things as 
we get approval.  Anything coming from Europe to the United States is what we 
are discussing.”

He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think he misspoke or ad 
libbed.

Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be blocked, at least for 
30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked imports from China.  We use equipment 
that comes from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia, etc.  Not 
sure how this would be implemented or if it makes any sense to block thing 
imported goods.  Also not sure what the “various other things” would be.  After 
people, trade and cargo, what else is there?  Internet?

News reports don’t seem to be interpreting it the way I heard it, so maybe I’m 
wrong?
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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

2020-03-12 Thread Jay Weekley

Beer. Lots of beer. I can wipe my rear end with a t-shirt but if beer
gets hard to find I'm getting scared.

James Howard wrote:

https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/chinese-official-blames-coronavirus-outbreak-on-us-military/

It’s official. The US is to blame for everything.

I was in the local grocery store to get something for lunch today and
a couple of old women were pushing carts around full of toilet paper
and diet pepsi (about even split it looked). As I walked past one of
them said to the other that they needed to go look for something else
(couldn’t hear what it was though) because “gotta stock up before it’s
hard to get”. I wonder what you could possibly need besides tp and
pepsi?

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:56 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

If we could shot everyone infected, we would have it contained to...
btw, can we shoot the infected?... asking for a friend. For real
though, im stopping out to top off ammunition tonight. When people say
nobody needs 10,000 rounds of ammunition, I want to ask them how
theyre doing on toilet paper. I fear thats what they will come for,
they will kick at my door with their emaciated bony legs wanting to
get the TP and not my food. I am planning on taking the new infant
home on next thursday, the wife has to stay til friday or saturday for
post op care from the c-section but the baby is just required to stay
one day. These morons are already lining up at the hospital, convinced
they have coronavision cause their TV told them so. Bringing all their
vile diseases with them to one place. some super-bug is going to be
created in that hospital. dirty vile disgusting cesspools of death
that hospitals already are. Ill post some pics, for those of you still
alive thursday, of me and the baby, with our toilet paper and guns. We
are under state of emergency, i never checked to see if illinois has
the constitutional carry under state of emergency like some states do.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:51 PM > wrote:

Maybe James Franco could pay him a visit and see how they are
doing it.

*From:*Lewis Bergman

*Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:48 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

I have heard that, but having a police state where movement is
already curtailed and everybody is taught from birth to believe
the stubby leader is a super hero does have benefits. It is
impossible to compare a society like that to one of almost any
other type. Reminds me of World War Z with Brad Pitt. There was a
little social engineering speech in there that seems apropos.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to
write a book when you need one...)

Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked
it out of the ball park...

*From:*Lewis Bergman

*Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and
cargo"?

It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the
level of disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of
delivering such a speech, I am sure Trump is. I would hope
that a speech isn't all someone expects as a government
response in times like these.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

From a conservative source..

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight? It is
being reported as a 30 day European travel ban. But I
heard him say “these prohibitions will not only apply
to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but
various other things as we get approval. Anything
coming from Europe to the United States is what we are
discussing.”

He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t
think he misspoke or ad libbed.

Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will
be blocked, at least for 30 days? I don’t think we’ve
blocked imports from China. We use equipment that
comes from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary,
Latvia, etc. Not sure how this would be implemented
or if it makes any sense to block thing imported

Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

2020-03-12 Thread Chuck Macenski

I guess when we blame the virus on China is was just a matter of time
before they did the same thing. What goes around comes around.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Beer. Lots of beer.  I can wipe my rear end with a t-shirt but if beer
> gets hard to find I'm getting scared.
>
> James Howard wrote:
> >
> >
> https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/chinese-official-blames-coronavirus-outbreak-on-us-military/
> >
> > It’s official.  The US is to blame for everything.
> >
> > I was in the local grocery store to get something for lunch today and
> > a couple of old women were pushing carts around full of toilet paper
> > and diet pepsi (about even split it looked).  As I walked past one of
> > them said to the other that they needed to go look for something else
> > (couldn’t hear what it was though) because “gotta stock up before it’s
> > hard to get”.   I wonder what you could possibly need besides tp and
> > pepsi?
> >
> > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:56 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
> >
> > If we could shot everyone infected, we would have it contained to...
> > btw, can we shoot the infected?... asking for a friend. For real
> > though, im stopping out to top off ammunition tonight. When people say
> > nobody needs 10,000 rounds of ammunition, I want to ask them how
> > theyre doing on toilet paper. I fear thats what they will come for,
> > they will kick at my door with their emaciated bony legs wanting to
> > get the TP and not my food. I am planning on taking the new infant
> > home on next thursday, the wife has to stay til friday or saturday for
> > post op care from the c-section but the baby is just required to stay
> > one day. These morons are already lining up at the hospital, convinced
> > they have coronavision cause their TV told them so. Bringing all their
> > vile diseases with them to one place. some super-bug is going to be
> > created in that hospital. dirty vile disgusting cesspools of death
> > that hospitals already are. Ill post some pics, for those of you still
> > alive thursday, of me and the baby, with our toilet paper and guns. We
> > are under state of emergency, i never checked to see if illinois has
> > the constitutional carry under state of emergency like some states do.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:51 PM  > > wrote:
> >
> > Maybe James Franco could pay him a visit and see how they are
> > doing it.
> >
> > *From:*Lewis Bergman
> >
> > *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:48 PM
> >
> > *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
> >
> > I have heard that, but having a police state where movement is
> > already curtailed and everybody is taught from birth to believe
> > the stubby leader is a super hero does have benefits. It is
> > impossible to compare a society like that to one of almost any
> > other type. Reminds me of World War Z with Brad Pitt. There was a
> > little social engineering speech in there that seems apropos.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM  > > wrote:
> >
> > He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to
> > write a book when you need one...)
> >
> > Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked
> > it out of the ball park...
> >
> > *From:*Lewis Bergman
> >
> > *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
> >
> > *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and
> > cargo"?
> >
> > It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the
> > level of disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of
> > delivering such a speech, I am sure Trump is. I would hope
> > that a speech isn't all someone expects as a government
> > response in times like these.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza
> > mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From a conservative source..
> >
> >
> https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof  > > wrote:
> >
> > Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight? It is
> > being reported as a 30 day European travel ban.  But I
> > heard him say “these prohibitions will not only apply
> > to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but
> > various other things as we get approval. Anything
> > coming from Europe to the United States is what we are
> > discussing.”
>

Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?


  
  
It's a reflection. The Pacific Ocean is a mirror.


bp



On 3/12/2020 2:09 PM, Chuck Macenski
  wrote:


  
  I guess when we blame the virus on China is was
just a matter of time before they did the same thing. What goes
around comes around.
  
  
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:07
  PM Jay Weekley 
  wrote:

Beer.
  Lots of beer.  I can wipe my rear end with a t-shirt but if
  beer 
  gets hard to find I'm getting scared.
  
  James Howard wrote:
  >
  > https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/chinese-official-blames-coronavirus-outbreak-on-us-military/
  >
  > It’s official.  The US is to blame for everything.
  >
  > I was in the local grocery store to get something for
  lunch today and 
  > a couple of old women were pushing carts around full of
  toilet paper 
  > and diet pepsi (about even split it looked).  As I walked
  past one of 
  > them said to the other that they needed to go look for
  something else 
  > (couldn’t hear what it was though) because “gotta stock
  up before it’s 
  > hard to get”.   I wonder what you could possibly need
  besides tp and 
  > pepsi?
  >
  > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On
  Behalf Of *Steve Jones
  > *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:56 PM
  > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade
  and cargo"?
  >
  > If we could shot everyone infected, we would have it
  contained to... 
  > btw, can we shoot the infected?... asking for a friend.
  For real 
  > though, im stopping out to top off ammunition tonight.
  When people say 
  > nobody needs 10,000 rounds of ammunition, I want to ask
  them how 
  > theyre doing on toilet paper. I fear thats what they will
  come for, 
  > they will kick at my door with their emaciated bony legs
  wanting to 
  > get the TP and not my food. I am planning on taking the
  new infant 
  > home on next thursday, the wife has to stay til friday or
  saturday for 
  > post op care from the c-section but the baby is just
  required to stay 
  > one day. These morons are already lining up at the
  hospital, convinced 
  > they have coronavision cause their TV told them so.
  Bringing all their 
  > vile diseases with them to one place. some super-bug is
  going to be 
  > created in that hospital. dirty vile disgusting cesspools
  of death 
  > that hospitals already are. Ill post some pics, for those
  of you still 
  > alive thursday, of me and the baby, with our toilet paper
  and guns. We 
  > are under state of emergency, i never checked to see if
  illinois has 
  > the constitutional carry under state of emergency like
  some states do.
  >
  > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:51 PM  ch...@wbmfg.com>>
  wrote:
  >
  >     Maybe James Franco could pay him a visit and see how
  they are
  >     doing it.
  >
  >     *From:*Lewis Bergman
  >
  >     *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:48 PM
  >
  >     *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  >
  >     *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also
  "trade and cargo"?
  >
  >     I have heard that, but having a police state where
  movement is
  >     already curtailed and everybody is taught from birth
  to believe
  >     the stubby leader is a super hero does have benefits.
  It is
  >     impossible to compare a society like that to one of
  almost any
  >     other type. Reminds me of World War Z with Brad Pitt.
  There was a
  >     little social engineering speech in there that seems
  apropos.
  >
  >     On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM      ch...@wbmfg.com>>
  wrote:
  >
  >         He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al
  Frankin to
  >         write a book when you need one...)
  >
  >         Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea
  has knocked
  >         it out of the ball park...
  >
  >         *From:*Lewis Bergman
  >
  >         *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
  >
  >         *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave User

Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

2020-03-12 Thread castarritt .

Anything's TP if you're brave enough.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Beer. Lots of beer.  I can wipe my rear end with a t-shirt but if beer
> gets hard to find I'm getting scared.
>
> James Howard wrote:
> >
> >
> https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/chinese-official-blames-coronavirus-outbreak-on-us-military/
> >
> > It’s official.  The US is to blame for everything.
> >
> > I was in the local grocery store to get something for lunch today and
> > a couple of old women were pushing carts around full of toilet paper
> > and diet pepsi (about even split it looked).  As I walked past one of
> > them said to the other that they needed to go look for something else
> > (couldn’t hear what it was though) because “gotta stock up before it’s
> > hard to get”.   I wonder what you could possibly need besides tp and
> > pepsi?
> >
> > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:56 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
> >
> > If we could shot everyone infected, we would have it contained to...
> > btw, can we shoot the infected?... asking for a friend. For real
> > though, im stopping out to top off ammunition tonight. When people say
> > nobody needs 10,000 rounds of ammunition, I want to ask them how
> > theyre doing on toilet paper. I fear thats what they will come for,
> > they will kick at my door with their emaciated bony legs wanting to
> > get the TP and not my food. I am planning on taking the new infant
> > home on next thursday, the wife has to stay til friday or saturday for
> > post op care from the c-section but the baby is just required to stay
> > one day. These morons are already lining up at the hospital, convinced
> > they have coronavision cause their TV told them so. Bringing all their
> > vile diseases with them to one place. some super-bug is going to be
> > created in that hospital. dirty vile disgusting cesspools of death
> > that hospitals already are. Ill post some pics, for those of you still
> > alive thursday, of me and the baby, with our toilet paper and guns. We
> > are under state of emergency, i never checked to see if illinois has
> > the constitutional carry under state of emergency like some states do.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:51 PM  > > wrote:
> >
> > Maybe James Franco could pay him a visit and see how they are
> > doing it.
> >
> > *From:*Lewis Bergman
> >
> > *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:48 PM
> >
> > *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
> >
> > I have heard that, but having a police state where movement is
> > already curtailed and everybody is taught from birth to believe
> > the stubby leader is a super hero does have benefits. It is
> > impossible to compare a society like that to one of almost any
> > other type. Reminds me of World War Z with Brad Pitt. There was a
> > little social engineering speech in there that seems apropos.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM  > > wrote:
> >
> > He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to
> > write a book when you need one...)
> >
> > Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked
> > it out of the ball park...
> >
> > *From:*Lewis Bergman
> >
> > *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
> >
> > *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and
> > cargo"?
> >
> > It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the
> > level of disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of
> > delivering such a speech, I am sure Trump is. I would hope
> > that a speech isn't all someone expects as a government
> > response in times like these.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza
> > mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From a conservative source..
> >
> >
> https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof  > > wrote:
> >
> > Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight? It is
> > being reported as a 30 day European travel ban.  But I
> > heard him say “these prohibitions will not only apply
> > to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but
> > various other things as we get approval. Anything
> > coming from Europe to the United States is what we are
> > discussing.”
> >
> > He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t
> >

Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

With all the colleges throwing kids out of the dorms, I expect a run on Ramen 
Noodles.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

 

Anything's TP if you're brave enough.

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jay Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

Beer. Lots of beer.  I can wipe my rear end with a t-shirt but if beer 
gets hard to find I'm getting scared.

James Howard wrote:
>
> https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/chinese-official-blames-coronavirus-outbreak-on-us-military/
>
> It’s official.  The US is to blame for everything.
>
> I was in the local grocery store to get something for lunch today and 
> a couple of old women were pushing carts around full of toilet paper 
> and diet pepsi (about even split it looked).  As I walked past one of 
> them said to the other that they needed to go look for something else 
> (couldn’t hear what it was though) because “gotta stock up before it’s 
> hard to get”.   I wonder what you could possibly need besides tp and 
> pepsi?
>
> *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] 
> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:56 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
> If we could shot everyone infected, we would have it contained to... 
> btw, can we shoot the infected?... asking for a friend. For real 
> though, im stopping out to top off ammunition tonight. When people say 
> nobody needs 10,000 rounds of ammunition, I want to ask them how 
> theyre doing on toilet paper. I fear thats what they will come for, 
> they will kick at my door with their emaciated bony legs wanting to 
> get the TP and not my food. I am planning on taking the new infant 
> home on next thursday, the wife has to stay til friday or saturday for 
> post op care from the c-section but the baby is just required to stay 
> one day. These morons are already lining up at the hospital, convinced 
> they have coronavision cause their TV told them so. Bringing all their 
> vile diseases with them to one place. some super-bug is going to be 
> created in that hospital. dirty vile disgusting cesspools of death 
> that hospitals already are. Ill post some pics, for those of you still 
> alive thursday, of me and the baby, with our toilet paper and guns. We 
> are under state of emergency, i never checked to see if illinois has 
> the constitutional carry under state of emergency like some states do.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:51 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  
>  >> wrote:
>
> Maybe James Franco could pay him a visit and see how they are
> doing it.
>
> *From:*Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:48 PM
>
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
> I have heard that, but having a police state where movement is
> already curtailed and everybody is taught from birth to believe
> the stubby leader is a super hero does have benefits. It is
> impossible to compare a society like that to one of almost any
> other type. Reminds me of World War Z with Brad Pitt. There was a
> little social engineering speech in there that seems apropos.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
>  >> wrote:
>
> He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to
> write a book when you need one...)
>
> Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked
> it out of the ball park...
>
> *From:*Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
>
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and
> cargo"?
>
> It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the
> level of disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of
> delivering such a speech, I am sure Trump is. I would hope
> that a speech isn't all someone expects as a government
> response in times like these.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza
> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>  
>  >>
> wrote:
>
> From a conservative source..
>
> 
> https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof   
>  >> wrote:
>
> Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight? It is
> being reported as a 3

Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

Don’t people have trees with leaves?  I vacuumed up most of the leaves from my 
lawn last fall and dumped them in the brush.  Made a pile about the size of 15 
passenger van even after packing them down by driving the tractor through them 
a bunch.  Most of them are still there.  We should be set for a long time!

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

Anything's TP if you're brave enough.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Beer. Lots of beer.  I can wipe my rear end with a t-shirt but if beer
gets hard to find I'm getting scared.

James Howard wrote:
>
> https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/chinese-official-blames-coronavirus-outbreak-on-us-military/
>
> It’s official.  The US is to blame for everything.
>
> I was in the local grocery store to get something for lunch today and
> a couple of old women were pushing carts around full of toilet paper
> and diet pepsi (about even split it looked).  As I walked past one of
> them said to the other that they needed to go look for something else
> (couldn’t hear what it was though) because “gotta stock up before it’s
> hard to get”.   I wonder what you could possibly need besides tp and
> pepsi?
>
> *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] 
> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:56 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
> If we could shot everyone infected, we would have it contained to...
> btw, can we shoot the infected?... asking for a friend. For real
> though, im stopping out to top off ammunition tonight. When people say
> nobody needs 10,000 rounds of ammunition, I want to ask them how
> theyre doing on toilet paper. I fear thats what they will come for,
> they will kick at my door with their emaciated bony legs wanting to
> get the TP and not my food. I am planning on taking the new infant
> home on next thursday, the wife has to stay til friday or saturday for
> post op care from the c-section but the baby is just required to stay
> one day. These morons are already lining up at the hospital, convinced
> they have coronavision cause their TV told them so. Bringing all their
> vile diseases with them to one place. some super-bug is going to be
> created in that hospital. dirty vile disgusting cesspools of death
> that hospitals already are. Ill post some pics, for those of you still
> alive thursday, of me and the baby, with our toilet paper and guns. We
> are under state of emergency, i never checked to see if illinois has
> the constitutional carry under state of emergency like some states do.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:51 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> Maybe James Franco could pay him a visit and see how they are
> doing it.
>
> *From:*Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:48 PM
>
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
> I have heard that, but having a police state where movement is
> already curtailed and everybody is taught from birth to believe
> the stubby leader is a super hero does have benefits. It is
> impossible to compare a society like that to one of almost any
> other type. Reminds me of World War Z with Brad Pitt. There was a
> little social engineering speech in there that seems apropos.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to
> write a book when you need one...)
>
> Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked
> it out of the ball park...
>
> *From:*Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
>
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and
> cargo"?
>
> It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the
> level of disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of
> delivering such a speech, I am sure Trump is. I would hope
> that a speech isn't all someone expects as a government
> response in times like these.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza
> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
> >>
> wrote:
>
> From a conservative source..
>
> 
> https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof

Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

Thanks

From: James Howard 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:07 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

Didn’t seem slow here.  Pages opened and had content that looked like it’s 
correct.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

 

up but looks slow

 

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  Supposedly it is fixed again.  Would some of you mind taking a look again?

  Thanks.

   

   

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  We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.

   

  Could the borg see if our site is working properly please?

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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

College kids use Ramen noodles for TP?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:42 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

With all the colleges throwing kids out of the dorms, I expect a run on Ramen 
Noodles.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
castarritt .
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

Anything's TP if you're brave enough.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Beer. Lots of beer.  I can wipe my rear end with a t-shirt but if beer
gets hard to find I'm getting scared.

James Howard wrote:
>
> https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/chinese-official-blames-coronavirus-outbreak-on-us-military/
>
> It’s official.  The US is to blame for everything.
>
> I was in the local grocery store to get something for lunch today and
> a couple of old women were pushing carts around full of toilet paper
> and diet pepsi (about even split it looked).  As I walked past one of
> them said to the other that they needed to go look for something else
> (couldn’t hear what it was though) because “gotta stock up before it’s
> hard to get”.   I wonder what you could possibly need besides tp and
> pepsi?
>
> *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] 
> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:56 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
> If we could shot everyone infected, we would have it contained to...
> btw, can we shoot the infected?... asking for a friend. For real
> though, im stopping out to top off ammunition tonight. When people say
> nobody needs 10,000 rounds of ammunition, I want to ask them how
> theyre doing on toilet paper. I fear thats what they will come for,
> they will kick at my door with their emaciated bony legs wanting to
> get the TP and not my food. I am planning on taking the new infant
> home on next thursday, the wife has to stay til friday or saturday for
> post op care from the c-section but the baby is just required to stay
> one day. These morons are already lining up at the hospital, convinced
> they have coronavision cause their TV told them so. Bringing all their
> vile diseases with them to one place. some super-bug is going to be
> created in that hospital. dirty vile disgusting cesspools of death
> that hospitals already are. Ill post some pics, for those of you still
> alive thursday, of me and the baby, with our toilet paper and guns. We
> are under state of emergency, i never checked to see if illinois has
> the constitutional carry under state of emergency like some states do.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:51 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> Maybe James Franco could pay him a visit and see how they are
> doing it.
>
> *From:*Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:48 PM
>
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
> I have heard that, but having a police state where movement is
> already curtailed and everybody is taught from birth to believe
> the stubby leader is a super hero does have benefits. It is
> impossible to compare a society like that to one of almost any
> other type. Reminds me of World War Z with Brad Pitt. There was a
> little social engineering speech in there that seems apropos.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to
> write a book when you need one...)
>
> Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked
> it out of the ball park...
>
> *From:*Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
>
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and
> cargo"?
>
> It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the
> level of disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of
> delivering such a speech, I am sure Trump is. I would hope
> that a speech isn't all someone expects as a government
> response in times like these.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza
> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
> >>
> wrote:
>
> From a conservative source..
>
> 
> https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

No, they use Kale for that.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:46 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

 

College kids use Ramen noodles for TP?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:42 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

 

With all the colleges throwing kids out of the dorms, I expect a run on Ramen 
Noodles.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of castarritt .
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

 

Anything's TP if you're brave enough.

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jay Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

Beer. Lots of beer.  I can wipe my rear end with a t-shirt but if beer 
gets hard to find I'm getting scared.

James Howard wrote:
>
> https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/chinese-official-blames-coronavirus-outbreak-on-us-military/
>
> It’s official.  The US is to blame for everything.
>
> I was in the local grocery store to get something for lunch today and 
> a couple of old women were pushing carts around full of toilet paper 
> and diet pepsi (about even split it looked).  As I walked past one of 
> them said to the other that they needed to go look for something else 
> (couldn’t hear what it was though) because “gotta stock up before it’s 
> hard to get”.   I wonder what you could possibly need besides tp and 
> pepsi?
>
> *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] 
> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:56 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
> If we could shot everyone infected, we would have it contained to... 
> btw, can we shoot the infected?... asking for a friend. For real 
> though, im stopping out to top off ammunition tonight. When people say 
> nobody needs 10,000 rounds of ammunition, I want to ask them how 
> theyre doing on toilet paper. I fear thats what they will come for, 
> they will kick at my door with their emaciated bony legs wanting to 
> get the TP and not my food. I am planning on taking the new infant 
> home on next thursday, the wife has to stay til friday or saturday for 
> post op care from the c-section but the baby is just required to stay 
> one day. These morons are already lining up at the hospital, convinced 
> they have coronavision cause their TV told them so. Bringing all their 
> vile diseases with them to one place. some super-bug is going to be 
> created in that hospital. dirty vile disgusting cesspools of death 
> that hospitals already are. Ill post some pics, for those of you still 
> alive thursday, of me and the baby, with our toilet paper and guns. We 
> are under state of emergency, i never checked to see if illinois has 
> the constitutional carry under state of emergency like some states do.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:51 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  
>  >> wrote:
>
> Maybe James Franco could pay him a visit and see how they are
> doing it.
>
> *From:*Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:48 PM
>
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
> I have heard that, but having a police state where movement is
> already curtailed and everybody is taught from birth to believe
> the stubby leader is a super hero does have benefits. It is
> impossible to compare a society like that to one of almost any
> other type. Reminds me of World War Z with Brad Pitt. There was a
> little social engineering speech in there that seems apropos.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
>  >> wrote:
>
> He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to
> write a book when you need one...)
>
> Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked
> it out of the ball park...
>
> *From:*Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
>
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and
> cargo"?
>
> It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the
> level of disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of
> delivering such a speech, I am sure Trump is. I would hope
> that a speech isn't all someone expects as a government
> response in times like these.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

Do they cook them first?

From: James Howard 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:45 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

College kids use Ramen noodles for TP?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:42 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

 

With all the colleges throwing kids out of the dorms, I expect a run on Ramen 
Noodles.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

 

Anything's TP if you're brave enough.

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jay Weekley  wrote:

  Beer. Lots of beer.  I can wipe my rear end with a t-shirt but if beer 
  gets hard to find I'm getting scared.

  James Howard wrote:
  >
  > 
https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/chinese-official-blames-coronavirus-outbreak-on-us-military/
  >
  > It’s official.  The US is to blame for everything.
  >
  > I was in the local grocery store to get something for lunch today and 
  > a couple of old women were pushing carts around full of toilet paper 
  > and diet pepsi (about even split it looked).  As I walked past one of 
  > them said to the other that they needed to go look for something else 
  > (couldn’t hear what it was though) because “gotta stock up before it’s 
  > hard to get”.   I wonder what you could possibly need besides tp and 
  > pepsi?
  >
  > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
  > *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:56 PM
  > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
  >
  > If we could shot everyone infected, we would have it contained to... 
  > btw, can we shoot the infected?... asking for a friend. For real 
  > though, im stopping out to top off ammunition tonight. When people say 
  > nobody needs 10,000 rounds of ammunition, I want to ask them how 
  > theyre doing on toilet paper. I fear thats what they will come for, 
  > they will kick at my door with their emaciated bony legs wanting to 
  > get the TP and not my food. I am planning on taking the new infant 
  > home on next thursday, the wife has to stay til friday or saturday for 
  > post op care from the c-section but the baby is just required to stay 
  > one day. These morons are already lining up at the hospital, convinced 
  > they have coronavision cause their TV told them so. Bringing all their 
  > vile diseases with them to one place. some super-bug is going to be 
  > created in that hospital. dirty vile disgusting cesspools of death 
  > that hospitals already are. Ill post some pics, for those of you still 
  > alive thursday, of me and the baby, with our toilet paper and guns. We 
  > are under state of emergency, i never checked to see if illinois has 
  > the constitutional carry under state of emergency like some states do.
  >
  > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:51 PM  > wrote:
  >
  > Maybe James Franco could pay him a visit and see how they are
  > doing it.
  >
  > *From:*Lewis Bergman
  >
  > *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:48 PM
  >
  > *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  >
  > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
  >
  > I have heard that, but having a police state where movement is
  > already curtailed and everybody is taught from birth to believe
  > the stubby leader is a super hero does have benefits. It is
  > impossible to compare a society like that to one of almost any
  > other type. Reminds me of World War Z with Brad Pitt. There was a
  > little social engineering speech in there that seems apropos.
  >
  > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM  > wrote:
  >
  > He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to
  > write a book when you need one...)
  >
  > Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked
  > it out of the ball park...
  >
  > *From:*Lewis Bergman
  >
  > *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
  >
  > *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  >
  > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and
  > cargo"?
  >
  > It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the
  > level of disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of
  > delivering such a speech, I am sure Trump is. I would hope
  > that a speech isn't all someone expects as a government
  > response in times like these.
  >
  > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza
  > mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
  > wrote:
  >
  > From a conservative source..
  >
  > 
https://w

Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

2020-03-12 Thread castarritt .

Xzibit be like "yo dawg, we heard you like food that tastes like shit".


On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 5:08 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> No, they use Kale for that.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:46 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
>
>
> College kids use Ramen noodles for TP?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:42 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
>
>
> With all the colleges throwing kids out of the dorms, I expect a run on
> Ramen Noodles.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *castarritt .
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
>
>
> Anything's TP if you're brave enough.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
> Beer. Lots of beer.  I can wipe my rear end with a t-shirt but if beer
> gets hard to find I'm getting scared.
>
> James Howard wrote:
> >
> >
> https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/chinese-official-blames-coronavirus-outbreak-on-us-military/
> >
> > It’s official.  The US is to blame for everything.
> >
> > I was in the local grocery store to get something for lunch today and
> > a couple of old women were pushing carts around full of toilet paper
> > and diet pepsi (about even split it looked).  As I walked past one of
> > them said to the other that they needed to go look for something else
> > (couldn’t hear what it was though) because “gotta stock up before it’s
> > hard to get”.   I wonder what you could possibly need besides tp and
> > pepsi?
> >
> > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:56 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
> >
> > If we could shot everyone infected, we would have it contained to...
> > btw, can we shoot the infected?... asking for a friend. For real
> > though, im stopping out to top off ammunition tonight. When people say
> > nobody needs 10,000 rounds of ammunition, I want to ask them how
> > theyre doing on toilet paper. I fear thats what they will come for,
> > they will kick at my door with their emaciated bony legs wanting to
> > get the TP and not my food. I am planning on taking the new infant
> > home on next thursday, the wife has to stay til friday or saturday for
> > post op care from the c-section but the baby is just required to stay
> > one day. These morons are already lining up at the hospital, convinced
> > they have coronavision cause their TV told them so. Bringing all their
> > vile diseases with them to one place. some super-bug is going to be
> > created in that hospital. dirty vile disgusting cesspools of death
> > that hospitals already are. Ill post some pics, for those of you still
> > alive thursday, of me and the baby, with our toilet paper and guns. We
> > are under state of emergency, i never checked to see if illinois has
> > the constitutional carry under state of emergency like some states do.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:51 PM  > > wrote:
> >
> > Maybe James Franco could pay him a visit and see how they are
> > doing it.
> >
> > *From:*Lewis Bergman
> >
> > *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:48 PM
> >
> > *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
> >
> > I have heard that, but having a police state where movement is
> > already curtailed and everybody is taught from birth to believe
> > the stubby leader is a super hero does have benefits. It is
> > impossible to compare a society like that to one of almost any
> > other type. Reminds me of World War Z with Brad Pitt. There was a
> > little social engineering speech in there that seems apropos.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM  > > wrote:
> >
> > He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to
> > write a book when you need one...)
> >
> > Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked
> > it out of the ball park...
> >
> > *From:*Lewis Bergman
> >
> > *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
> >
> > *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and
> > cargo"?
> >
> > It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the
> > level of disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of
> > delivering such a speech, I am sure Trump is. I would hope
> > that a speech isn't all someone expects as a government
> > response in times l

Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

2020-03-12 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

If you shoot and kill the infected you'll have a larger share of tax to pay.  
Bad idea.  Let them pay.  Let them pay. 

Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2020 3:56 PM

If we could shot everyone infected, we would have it contained to... btw, can 
we shoot the infected?... asking for a friend. For real though, im stopping out 
to top off ammunition tonight. When people say nobody needs 10,000 rounds of 
ammunition, I want to ask them how theyre doing on toilet paper. I fear thats 
what they will come for, they will kick at my door with their emaciated bony 
legs wanting to get the TP and not my food. I am planning on taking the new 
infant home on next thursday, the wife has to stay til friday or saturday for 
post op care from the c-section but the baby is just required to stay one day. 
These morons are already lining up at the hospital, convinced they have 
coronavision cause their TV told them so. Bringing all their vile diseases with 
them to one place. some super-bug is going to be created in that hospital. 
dirty vile disgusting cesspools of death that hospitals already are. Ill post 
some pics, for those of you still alive thursday, of me and the baby, with our 
toilet paper and guns. We are under state of emergency, i never checked to see 
if illinois has the constitutional carry under state of emergency like some 
states do.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:51 PM  wrote:

Maybe James Franco could pay him a visit and see how they are doing 
it.

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:48 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and 
cargo"?

I have heard that, but having a police state where movement is 
already curtailed and everybody is taught from birth to believe the stubby 
leader is a super hero does have benefits. It is impossible to compare a 
society 
like that to one of almost any other type. Reminds me of World War Z with Brad 
Pitt. There was a little social engineering speech in there that seems 
apropos.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM 
 wrote:

He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to write a book 
when you need one...)

Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked it out of 
the ball park...

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and 
cargo"?

It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the 
level of disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of delivering such a 
speech, I am sure Trump is. I would hope that a speech isn't all someone 
expects as a government response in times like these.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

From a conservative source.. 

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof 
 wrote:

Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  
It is being reported as a 30 day European travel ban.  But I heard 
him say “these prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous amount 
of trade and cargo, but various other things as we get approval.  
Anything coming from Europe to the United States is what we are 
discussing.”

He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t 
think he misspoke or ad libbed.

Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will 
be blocked, at least for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked 
imports from China.  We use equipment that comes from European 
countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia, etc.  Not sure how this 
would be implemented or if it makes any sense to block thing imported 
goods.  Also not sure what the “various other things” would be.  
After people, trade and cargo, what else is there?  
Internet?

News reports don’t seem to be interpreting it the way I 
heard it, so maybe I’m wrong?
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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

I defended you when they said you ate shit sandwiches; I told
  them you didn't like bread.

bp

On 3/12/2020 3:15 PM, castarritt .
  wrote:

Xzibit be like "yo dawg, we heard you like food
  that tastes like shit".

  On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 5:08
PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

No, they use Kale for that.

From: AF 
  On Behalf Of James Howard
  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:46 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or
  also "trade and cargo"?

College
kids use Ramen noodles for TP?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:42 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or
  also "trade and cargo"?

With all the colleges throwing kids
  out of the dorms, I expect a run on Ramen Noodles.

From: AF 
  On Behalf Of castarritt .
  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:19 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also
  "trade and cargo"?

  Anything's TP if you're brave
enough.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:07 PM
  Jay Weekley 
  wrote:

Beer. Lots of beer.  I can wipe
  my rear end with a t-shirt but if beer 
  gets hard to find I'm getting scared.

  James Howard wrote:
  >
  > https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/chinese-official-blames-coronavirus-outbreak-on-us-military/
  >
  > It’s official.  The US is to blame for
  everything.
  >
  > I was in the local grocery store to get
  something for lunch today and 
  > a couple of old women were pushing carts
  around full of toilet paper 
  > and diet pepsi (about even split it looked). 
  As I walked past one of 
  > them said to the other that they needed to go
  look for something else 
  > (couldn’t hear what it was though) because
  “gotta stock up before it’s 
  > hard to get”.   I wonder what you could
  possibly need besides tp and 
  > pepsi?
  >
  > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
  > *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:56 PM
  > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or
  also "trade and cargo"?
  >
  > If we could shot everyone infected, we would
  have it contained to... 
  > btw, can we shoot the infected?... asking for
  a friend. For real 
  > though, im stopping out to top off ammunition
  tonight. When people say 
  > nobody needs 10,000 rounds of ammunition, I
  want to ask them how 
  > theyre doing on toilet paper. I fear thats
  what they will come for, 
  > they will kick at my door with their
  emaciated bony legs wanting to 
  > get the TP and not my food. I am planning on
  taking the new infant 
  > home on next thursday, the wife has to stay
  til friday or saturday for 
  > post op care from the c-section b

Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

It's alive!!!

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> We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.
>
> Could the borg see if our site is working properly please?
> https://www.mccowntech.com
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Thanks everyone.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

It's alive!!!

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 1:23 PM  wrote:

  We had some issues.  Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to me but not to Josh.

  Could the borg see if our site is working properly please?
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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

There’s always that old saying….. “you are what you eat”

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 5:40 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

I defended you when they said you ate shit sandwiches; I told them you didn't 
like bread.

bp

On 3/12/2020 3:15 PM, castarritt . wrote:
Xzibit be like "yo dawg, we heard you like food that tastes like shit".

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 5:08 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
No, they use Kale for that.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
James Howard
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:46 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

College kids use Ramen noodles for TP?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:42 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

With all the colleges throwing kids out of the dorms, I expect a run on Ramen 
Noodles.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
castarritt .
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

Anything's TP if you're brave enough.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Beer. Lots of beer.  I can wipe my rear end with a t-shirt but if beer
gets hard to find I'm getting scared.

James Howard wrote:
>
> https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/chinese-official-blames-coronavirus-outbreak-on-us-military/
>
> It’s official.  The US is to blame for everything.
>
> I was in the local grocery store to get something for lunch today and
> a couple of old women were pushing carts around full of toilet paper
> and diet pepsi (about even split it looked).  As I walked past one of
> them said to the other that they needed to go look for something else
> (couldn’t hear what it was though) because “gotta stock up before it’s
> hard to get”.   I wonder what you could possibly need besides tp and
> pepsi?
>
> *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] 
> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:56 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
> If we could shot everyone infected, we would have it contained to...
> btw, can we shoot the infected?... asking for a friend. For real
> though, im stopping out to top off ammunition tonight. When people say
> nobody needs 10,000 rounds of ammunition, I want to ask them how
> theyre doing on toilet paper. I fear thats what they will come for,
> they will kick at my door with their emaciated bony legs wanting to
> get the TP and not my food. I am planning on taking the new infant
> home on next thursday, the wife has to stay til friday or saturday for
> post op care from the c-section but the baby is just required to stay
> one day. These morons are already lining up at the hospital, convinced
> they have coronavision cause their TV told them so. Bringing all their
> vile diseases with them to one place. some super-bug is going to be
> created in that hospital. dirty vile disgusting cesspools of death
> that hospitals already are. Ill post some pics, for those of you still
> alive thursday, of me and the baby, with our toilet paper and guns. We
> are under state of emergency, i never checked to see if illinois has
> the constitutional carry under state of emergency like some states do.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:51 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> Maybe James Franco could pay him a visit and see how they are
> doing it.
>
> *From:*Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:48 PM
>
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
> I have heard that, but having a police state where movement is
> already curtailed and everybody is taught from birth to believe
> the stubby leader is a super hero does have benefits. It is
> impossible to compare a society like that to one of almost any
> other type. Reminds me of World War Z with Brad Pitt. There was a
> little social engineering speech in there that seems apropos.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to
> write a book when you need one...)
>
> Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked
> it out of the ball park...
>
> *From:*Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:*Thursday

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

just saw news that said the beds available in Italy per 1K was 34 and US 
was 29...  bumpy road ahead...


On 3/12/20 9:44 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

I agree with Carl.
Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading 
exponentially...let that sink in. Our current administration dropped 
the ball on this one.  Now we are suffering the consequences.

You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:


Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking
down the infrastructure of society".

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear
mongering is not being a very responsible member of society at
all. This didnt happen during swine flu, and we made it though it

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:

"If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."

IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible
member of society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at
that point, but there is a point at which the responsible
thing to do is cancel large gatherings to flatten the curve.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should
be canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision
yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s
finances so I think we should all pull together to
make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We
need WISPA and our members to be healthy and
strong both physically and financially.


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

i.e. Ostrich syndrome, the US had it bad. Still has it bad. The one
bright note I saw today was the director of the CDC getting put in a
corner to commit to free testing for C-19 for every person in the US.
No need to actually work on the actuals of it but the commitment is
primary unless someone fires him...

On 3/12/20 9:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

IMO, I think disbanding the pandemic response team in 2018 was not a
wise decision. If they were still operating when this started late
last year, they could/would have started the production of test kits
based on our earliest knowledge of the RNA test needed to identify it.
Then we would have had real information on the extent of the outbreak
here. Instead, we went for weeks under the mistaken impression that it
was not here. It was, we just had our heads in the sand.

On 3/12/2020 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
No need to reply.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
I agree with Carl.
Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading
exponentially...let that sink in. Our current administration dropped
the ball on this one. Now we are suffering the consequences.

You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:

Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking
down the infrastructure of society".
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones
wrote:

Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear
mongering is not being a very responsible member of society
at all. This didnt happen during swine flu, and we made it
though it
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:

"If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible
member of society. I'm not judging, or saying we are at
that point, but there is a point at which the responsible
thing to do is cancel large gatherings to flatten the curve.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:

If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett
wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should
be canceled for the safety of everyone.
Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision
yesterday to pull out.
I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s
finances so I think we should all pull together
to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.
We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and
strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
Best regards,
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[AFMUG] OT: Inept

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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

I have two boxes of Ramen, the staple of "estuidhambres" worldwide...
Let's see how good your Spanish is...

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 3:42 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> With all the colleges throwing kids out of the dorms, I expect a run on
> Ramen Noodles.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *castarritt .
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
>
>
> Anything's TP if you're brave enough.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
> Beer. Lots of beer.  I can wipe my rear end with a t-shirt but if beer
> gets hard to find I'm getting scared.
>
> James Howard wrote:
> >
> >
> https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/chinese-official-blames-coronavirus-outbreak-on-us-military/
> >
> > It’s official.  The US is to blame for everything.
> >
> > I was in the local grocery store to get something for lunch today and
> > a couple of old women were pushing carts around full of toilet paper
> > and diet pepsi (about even split it looked).  As I walked past one of
> > them said to the other that they needed to go look for something else
> > (couldn’t hear what it was though) because “gotta stock up before it’s
> > hard to get”.   I wonder what you could possibly need besides tp and
> > pepsi?
> >
> > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:56 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
> >
> > If we could shot everyone infected, we would have it contained to...
> > btw, can we shoot the infected?... asking for a friend. For real
> > though, im stopping out to top off ammunition tonight. When people say
> > nobody needs 10,000 rounds of ammunition, I want to ask them how
> > theyre doing on toilet paper. I fear thats what they will come for,
> > they will kick at my door with their emaciated bony legs wanting to
> > get the TP and not my food. I am planning on taking the new infant
> > home on next thursday, the wife has to stay til friday or saturday for
> > post op care from the c-section but the baby is just required to stay
> > one day. These morons are already lining up at the hospital, convinced
> > they have coronavision cause their TV told them so. Bringing all their
> > vile diseases with them to one place. some super-bug is going to be
> > created in that hospital. dirty vile disgusting cesspools of death
> > that hospitals already are. Ill post some pics, for those of you still
> > alive thursday, of me and the baby, with our toilet paper and guns. We
> > are under state of emergency, i never checked to see if illinois has
> > the constitutional carry under state of emergency like some states do.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:51 PM  > > wrote:
> >
> > Maybe James Franco could pay him a visit and see how they are
> > doing it.
> >
> > *From:*Lewis Bergman
> >
> > *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:48 PM
> >
> > *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
> >
> > I have heard that, but having a police state where movement is
> > already curtailed and everybody is taught from birth to believe
> > the stubby leader is a super hero does have benefits. It is
> > impossible to compare a society like that to one of almost any
> > other type. Reminds me of World War Z with Brad Pitt. There was a
> > little social engineering speech in there that seems apropos.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM  > > wrote:
> >
> > He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to
> > write a book when you need one...)
> >
> > Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked
> > it out of the ball park...
> >
> > *From:*Lewis Bergman
> >
> > *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
> >
> > *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and
> > cargo"?
> >
> > It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the
> > level of disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of
> > delivering such a speech, I am sure Trump is. I would hope
> > that a speech isn't all someone expects as a government
> > response in times like these.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza
> > mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From a conservative source..
> >
> >
> https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof  > > wrote:
> >
> > Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight? It is
> >

Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

Not familiar with that word, but I assume it’s related to “yo tengo hambre”.

 

Maybe “hambre” is what Trump was thinking when he tweeted about “hamberders”.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

 

I have two boxes of Ramen, the staple of "estuidhambres" worldwide...

Let's see how good your Spanish is...

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 3:42 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

With all the colleges throwing kids out of the dorms, I expect a run on Ramen 
Noodles.

 

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Of castarritt .
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

 

Anything's TP if you're brave enough.

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jay Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

Beer. Lots of beer.  I can wipe my rear end with a t-shirt but if beer 
gets hard to find I'm getting scared.

James Howard wrote:
>
> https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/chinese-official-blames-coronavirus-outbreak-on-us-military/
>
> It’s official.  The US is to blame for everything.
>
> I was in the local grocery store to get something for lunch today and 
> a couple of old women were pushing carts around full of toilet paper 
> and diet pepsi (about even split it looked).  As I walked past one of 
> them said to the other that they needed to go look for something else 
> (couldn’t hear what it was though) because “gotta stock up before it’s 
> hard to get”.   I wonder what you could possibly need besides tp and 
> pepsi?
>
> *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] 
> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:56 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
> If we could shot everyone infected, we would have it contained to... 
> btw, can we shoot the infected?... asking for a friend. For real 
> though, im stopping out to top off ammunition tonight. When people say 
> nobody needs 10,000 rounds of ammunition, I want to ask them how 
> theyre doing on toilet paper. I fear thats what they will come for, 
> they will kick at my door with their emaciated bony legs wanting to 
> get the TP and not my food. I am planning on taking the new infant 
> home on next thursday, the wife has to stay til friday or saturday for 
> post op care from the c-section but the baby is just required to stay 
> one day. These morons are already lining up at the hospital, convinced 
> they have coronavision cause their TV told them so. Bringing all their 
> vile diseases with them to one place. some super-bug is going to be 
> created in that hospital. dirty vile disgusting cesspools of death 
> that hospitals already are. Ill post some pics, for those of you still 
> alive thursday, of me and the baby, with our toilet paper and guns. We 
> are under state of emergency, i never checked to see if illinois has 
> the constitutional carry under state of emergency like some states do.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:51 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  
>  >> wrote:
>
> Maybe James Franco could pay him a visit and see how they are
> doing it.
>
> *From:*Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:48 PM
>
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
>
> I have heard that, but having a police state where movement is
> already curtailed and everybody is taught from birth to believe
> the stubby leader is a super hero does have benefits. It is
> impossible to compare a society like that to one of almost any
> other type. Reminds me of World War Z with Brad Pitt. There was a
> little social engineering speech in there that seems apropos.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:31 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
>  >> wrote:
>
> He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to
> write a book when you need one...)
>
> Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked
> it out of the ball park...
>
> *From:*Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:*Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
>
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and
> cargo"?
>
> It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the
> level of disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of
> delivering such a speech, I am sure Trump is. I would hope
> that a speech isn't all someone expects as a government
> response in times like these.
>
> On Thu, Mar

Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

So the Koreas show the rest of the world what is what when it comes to 
Pandemics, maybe Kia's aren't so bad...   LOL.  But I still think that 
N. Korea was tipped off in advance...    Now where's my frickn' tin hat..


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He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to write a 
book when you need one...)
Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked it out of 
the ball park...

*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?
It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the level 
of disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of delivering such 
a speech, I am sure Trump is. I would hope that a speech isn't all 
someone expects as a government response in times like these.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:


From a conservative source..

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being
reported as a 30 day European travel ban.  But I heard him say
“these prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous
amount of trade and cargo, but various other things as we get
approval.  Anything coming from Europe to the United States is
what we are discussing.”

He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think
he misspoke or ad libbed.

Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be
blocked, at least for 30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked
imports from China.  We use equipment that comes from European
countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia, etc.  Not sure how
this would be implemented or if it makes any sense to block
thing imported goods.  Also not sure what the “various other
things” would be.  After people, trade and cargo, what else is
there?  Internet?

News reports don’t seem to be interpreting it the way I heard
it, so maybe I’m wrong?

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Clear your cache and try again?

On 3/12/20 1:16 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

It was slow initially but better now.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:08 PM James Howard > wrote:


Didn’t seem slow here.  Pages opened and had content that looked
like it’s correct.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:01 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT test please

up but looks slow

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:50 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Supposedly it is fixed again.  Would some of you mind taking a
look again?

Thanks.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

We had some issues. Maybe it is fixed.  Looks good to
me but not to Josh.

Could the borg see if our site is working properly please?

https://www.mccowntech.com 

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Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

Did you see the satellite photos supposedly showing a long trench and a pile of 
lime near a cemetery in Iran?

Things are not going well in Iran.

 

Also saw on the news that Justin Trudeau’s wife has it.  Brought it back from 
the UK.  Wait, isn’t the UK exempt from the new travel ban?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

 

So the Koreas show the rest of the world what is what when it comes to 
Pandemics, maybe Kia's aren't so bad...   LOL.  But I still think that N. Korea 
was tipped off in advance...Now where's my frickn' tin hat..

On 3/12/20 12:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

He seems to have a special talent, (where is Al Frankin to write a book when 
you need one...)

 

Everyone seems to be forgetting that North Korea has knocked it out of the ball 
park...

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:18 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Europe travel ban, or also "trade and cargo"?

 

It is hard for me to believe any speech by anyone rises to the level of 
disaster. Having said that, if anyone is capable of delivering such a speech, I 
am sure Trump is. I would hope that a speech isn't all someone expects as a 
government response in times like these.

 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

>From a conservative source.. 

 

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/trump-coronavirus-speech-was-a-disaster/

 

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:30 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Did anyone listen to the POTUS address tonight?  It is being reported as a 30 
day European travel ban.  But I heard him say “these prohibitions will not only 
apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various other things as 
we get approval.  Anything coming from Europe to the United States is what we 
are discussing.”

 

He was clearly reading from a teleprompter, so I don’t think he misspoke or ad 
libbed.

 

Does this not sound like all imports from Europe will be blocked, at least for 
30 days?  I don’t think we’ve blocked imports from China.  We use equipment 
that comes from European countries like Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia, etc.  Not 
sure how this would be implemented or if it makes any sense to block thing 
imported goods.  Also not sure what the “various other things” would be.  After 
people, trade and cargo, what else is there?  Internet?

 

News reports don’t seem to be interpreting it the way I heard it, so maybe I’m 
wrong?

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