Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

[Darin Steffl]

It doesn't look like that install is done yet. You can see most or all of
the ports are still capped. It's grounded already but I don't see any radio
or RF gear connected to them yet.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 11:01 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> See, back about 1000 years ago, they made cameras that, believe it or not,
> that's all they did, they couldn't even play games.  But these ancient
> 'Cameras' had special tunable filters and were able to bend and modify
> beams of light to make far away objects appear closer, all without the help
> of any computer aided 'software'
>
> I have an SX40 camera that's about 5 years old now, 32x optical Zoom, It
> can take very clear pictures of equipment on the tower from the ground.
>
> On 3/4/2020 10:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> What the hell kind of camera do you have that can zoom into a label that
> well?
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 9:39 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> So here are a few photos, anybody recognize these?  And why just antennas
>> with no radios?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:18 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
>>
>>
>>
>> second image on the about us page is what i saw them putting up, maybe
>> 4'x6' antenna
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:09 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago that used
>> large panels like that.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Excellent.  The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being
>> installed.  The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I
>> thought Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fiber at.
>>
>>
>>
>> So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off the DATA
>> project fiber built with BTOP funding?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3 are.  I know
>> cellular antennas have gotten bigger, but I haven’t seen them that big
>> before.  I keep worrying that LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
>>
>>
>>
>> You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the only significant
>> network that's anywhere near there. Well, ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to
>> Rock Falls, but they're not selling to others.
>>
>>
>>
>> Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA. Vertical yellow on
>> the right is Windstream. Blue is PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that
>> never happened.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:22:22 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
>>
>> If I’m remembering right, it was on the south tower.  Quite low on the
>> tower, I assume because the tower couldn’t handle the windload otherwise.
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought the DATA project BTOP fiber went down Duffy to University then
>> crossed the tracks to Preserve.  Also I seem to remember some telco carrier
>> like Windstream or CenturyLink trying to sell me fiber transport and
>> checking towers that were on their network.  I remember there was one south
>> of Hinckley.  I could be confusing the Kane Rd. tower with the one at
>> Leland Rd.  Which BTW is a weird tower.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 5, 2020 8:14 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
>>
>>
>>
>> Sprint and US Cellular are there. T-Mobile is down on University Rd. I
>> don't have accurate information for AT&T and Verizon for that area. It does
>> look like there are three carriers on those two towers, so one of those two
>> is likely there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anything at that site is going to be using Frontier or DATA for fiber,
>> likely DATA. CenturyLink has some tollway IRUs and then a DeKalb - Dixon -
>> Galesburg route mostly along country roads. Sprint is along UPRR. MCI is in
>> a pipeline that goes underneath my farm from St. Charles to Maple Park to
>> my farm to SW of Shabbona. 

Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

[Adam Moffett]

Digital zoom is the most trashy feature ever created.  The catch is you 
have to go out of your way to carry a camera whereas the cell phone is 
likely already in your pocket.



On 3/5/2020 12:00 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
See, back about 1000 years ago, they made cameras that, believe it or 
not, that's all they did, they couldn't even play games.  But these 
ancient 'Cameras' had special tunable filters and were able to bend 
and modify beams of light to make far away objects appear closer, all 
without the help of any computer aided 'software'


I have an SX40 camera that's about 5 years old now, 32x optical Zoom, 
It can take very clear pictures of equipment on the tower from the 
ground.


On 3/4/2020 10:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
What the hell kind of camera do you have that can zoom into a label 
that well?


On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 9:39 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


So here are a few photos, anybody recognize these?  And why just
antennas with no radios?

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:18 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

second image on the about us page is what i saw them putting up,
maybe 4'x6' antenna

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:09 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago
that used large panels like that.

Sent from my iPhone



On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof 
wrote:



Excellent.  The blue line goes to the tower with the
giant panels being installed.  The yellow line about a
mile east goes to the tower that I thought Windstream
said was VZW and they could get me fiber at.

So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off
the DATA project fiber built with BTOP funding?

I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3
are.  I know cellular antennas have gotten bigger, but I
haven’t seen them that big before. I keep worrying that
LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike
Hammett
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the
only significant network that's anywhere near there.
Well, ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to Rock Falls, but
they're not selling to others.

Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA.
Vertical yellow on the right is Windstream. Blue is
PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that never happened.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 








*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:22:22 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

If I’m remembering right, it was on the south tower. 
Quite low on the tower, I assume because the tower
couldn’t handle the windload otherwise.

I thought the DATA project BTOP fiber went down Duffy to
University then crossed the tracks to Preserve.  Also I
seem to remember some telco carrier like Windstream or
CenturyLink trying to sell me fiber transport and
checking towers that were on their network.  I remember
there was one south of Hinckley.  I could be confusing
the Kane Rd. tower with the one at Leland Rd.  Which BTW
is a weird tower.

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike
Hammett
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 5, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

Sprint and US Cellular are there. T-Mobile is down on
University Rd. I don't have accurate in

Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

[Ken Hohhof]

I have a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ200, similar features and age as Nate’s.

 

Even more important than the hyperzoom lens I think is the image stabilization 
which works quite well, that photo was handheld.

 

It’s a model from something like 2012, so I assume there are cameras available 
today with larger sensors and better resolution, that’s probably the weak point 
of this particular camera.  It has a 12 MP sensor but I resize all the photos 
at least 50% or they’re too grainy.  I don’t have money for camera equipment 
these days, but you could probably get a DSLR or mirrorless or compact camera 
today with a hyperzoom lens and a much better sensor, that would justify 
digital zoom on top of the optical zoom.

 

The photos of the whole tower were taken with my cellphone.  I had to go back 
with an actual camera to take the zoomed in photos.  Also my Canon image 
stabilization binoculars.  Did I mention I love image stabilization?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:02 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

 

Digital zoom is the most trashy feature ever created.  The catch is you have to 
go out of your way to carry a camera whereas the cell phone is likely already 
in your pocket.

 

On 3/5/2020 12:00 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

See, back about 1000 years ago, they made cameras that, believe it or not, 
that's all they did, they couldn't even play games.  But these ancient 
'Cameras' had special tunable filters and were able to bend and modify beams of 
light to make far away objects appear closer, all without the help of any 
computer aided 'software'  

I have an SX40 camera that's about 5 years old now, 32x optical Zoom, It can 
take very clear pictures of equipment on the tower from the ground.

On 3/4/2020 10:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

What the hell kind of camera do you have that can zoom into a label that well?

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 9:39 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

So here are a few photos, anybody recognize these?  And why just antennas with 
no radios?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

 

second image on the about us page is what i saw them putting up, maybe 4'x6' 
antenna

 

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:09 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago that used large 
panels like that.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Excellent.  The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being 
installed.  The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I thought 
Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fiber at.

 

So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off the DATA project 
fiber built with BTOP funding?

 

I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3 are.  I know cellular 
antennas have gotten bigger, but I haven’t seen them that big before.  I keep 
worrying that LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

 

You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the only significant 
network that's anywhere near there. Well, ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to Rock 
Falls, but they're not selling to others.

 

Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA. Vertical yellow on the 
right is Windstream. Blue is PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that never 
happened.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:22:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

If I’m remembering right, it was on the south tower.  Quite low on the tower, I 
assume because the tower couldn’t handle the windload otherwise.

 

I thought the DATA project BTOP fiber went down Duffy to University then 
crossed the tracks to Preserve.  Also I seem to remember some telco carrier 
like Wind

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Ken Hohhof]

I assume this is the ship that’s in the news now being held off San Francisco, 
with headlines like “thousands may have been exposed on cruise ship”.  It 
sounds like after Mexico it went to Hawaii?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:54 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

I have no idea. I'm getting this 3rd or 4th hand. 

His (current) wife was with him & I don't know where she is.

 

bp

 

On 3/4/2020 6:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Did this cruise not get quarantined?

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 8:43 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We think he got it on the cruise ship. From what I'm hearing, he's been 
in the hospital for at least 4 days. Princess cruise from San Francisco 
to Mexico.

I don't have the whole story, as he was married 4 times, and my wife's 
sister was #1. I'm kind of getting it from what she tells me after 
talking to her sister. The neph went to Sacto (Roseville actually) late 
last night. He wasn't able to get to the hospital before he passed. They 
probably would not have let him near him anyway.


bp


On 3/4/2020 3:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:
> Condolences. Any idea where he got it?
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 4:16 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com  
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> He died this morning. You will probably see it in the news. He did have
> what they called "multiple competing mortalities".
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/3/2020 7:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:
>> Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation home.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com  
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>> This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a
>> cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he has
>> COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>> Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to 
>>> prevent you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in 
>>> public. If you want to get the R0 (R naught) below two and get ahead 
>>> of this you _must_ stop people from passing.Part of the reason 
>>> not to touch is also to keep people from picking it up on surfaces 
>>> as there is a pretty good body of evidence that it lasts multiple 
>>> days on paper and plastic and 1-2 days on everything else.  YES UV 
>>> helps but this is a much tougher little bugger than the common flu..
>>>
>>> On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
 The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say 
 if you ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that 
 masks don't really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping 
 the virus in.


 bp
 

 On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
>
> Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't 
> have a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an 
> event?  What the heck?
>
> -- 
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
>  
>
>
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
> *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard 
> the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was 
> saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same 
> way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that 
> there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at 
> ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  
> The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly 
> creating a field hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out!
>
> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the 
> first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A 
> hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and 
> pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the coronavirus what I 
> suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital 
> staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears 
> to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  
> 25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they 
> had been to that facility.
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Ken Hohhof]

Advisory from Princess Cruises:

 

https://www.princess.com/news/notices_and_advisories/notices/grand-princess-updates.html

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:43 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

I assume this is the ship that’s in the news now being held off San Francisco, 
with headlines like “thousands may have been exposed on cruise ship”.  It 
sounds like after Mexico it went to Hawaii?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:54 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

I have no idea. I'm getting this 3rd or 4th hand. 

His (current) wife was with him & I don't know where she is.

 

bp

 

On 3/4/2020 6:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Did this cruise not get quarantined?

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 8:43 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We think he got it on the cruise ship. From what I'm hearing, he's been 
in the hospital for at least 4 days. Princess cruise from San Francisco 
to Mexico.

I don't have the whole story, as he was married 4 times, and my wife's 
sister was #1. I'm kind of getting it from what she tells me after 
talking to her sister. The neph went to Sacto (Roseville actually) late 
last night. He wasn't able to get to the hospital before he passed. They 
probably would not have let him near him anyway.


bp


On 3/4/2020 3:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:
> Condolences. Any idea where he got it?
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 4:16 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com  
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> He died this morning. You will probably see it in the news. He did have
> what they called "multiple competing mortalities".
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/3/2020 7:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:
>> Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation home.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com  
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>> This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a
>> cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he has
>> COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>> Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to 
>>> prevent you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in 
>>> public. If you want to get the R0 (R naught) below two and get ahead 
>>> of this you _must_ stop people from passing.Part of the reason 
>>> not to touch is also to keep people from picking it up on surfaces 
>>> as there is a pretty good body of evidence that it lasts multiple 
>>> days on paper and plastic and 1-2 days on everything else.  YES UV 
>>> helps but this is a much tougher little bugger than the common flu..
>>>
>>> On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
 The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say 
 if you ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that 
 masks don't really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping 
 the virus in.


 bp
 

 On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
>
> Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't 
> have a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an 
> event?  What the heck?
>
> -- 
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
>  
>
>
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
> *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard 
> the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was 
> saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same 
> way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that 
> there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at 
> ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  
> The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly 
> creating a field hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out!
>
> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the 
> first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A 
> hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and 
> pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the coronavirus what I 
> suspect we need to guard ag

Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

[Ken Hohhof]

I found this review of superzoom cameras available in 2020.  One of them does 
have a 1 inch sensor but less zoom.  It seems that Canon and Panasonic are 
still the leading brands in the category, and that the comparisons still hold – 
Canon has longer zoom, Panasonic has a constant aperture lens.

 

https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-superzoom-camera/

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:40 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

 

I have a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ200, similar features and age as Nate’s.

 

Even more important than the hyperzoom lens I think is the image stabilization 
which works quite well, that photo was handheld.

 

It’s a model from something like 2012, so I assume there are cameras available 
today with larger sensors and better resolution, that’s probably the weak point 
of this particular camera.  It has a 12 MP sensor but I resize all the photos 
at least 50% or they’re too grainy.  I don’t have money for camera equipment 
these days, but you could probably get a DSLR or mirrorless or compact camera 
today with a hyperzoom lens and a much better sensor, that would justify 
digital zoom on top of the optical zoom.

 

The photos of the whole tower were taken with my cellphone.  I had to go back 
with an actual camera to take the zoomed in photos.  Also my Canon image 
stabilization binoculars.  Did I mention I love image stabilization?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:02 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

 

Digital zoom is the most trashy feature ever created.  The catch is you have to 
go out of your way to carry a camera whereas the cell phone is likely already 
in your pocket.

 

On 3/5/2020 12:00 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

See, back about 1000 years ago, they made cameras that, believe it or not, 
that's all they did, they couldn't even play games.  But these ancient 
'Cameras' had special tunable filters and were able to bend and modify beams of 
light to make far away objects appear closer, all without the help of any 
computer aided 'software'  

I have an SX40 camera that's about 5 years old now, 32x optical Zoom, It can 
take very clear pictures of equipment on the tower from the ground.

On 3/4/2020 10:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

What the hell kind of camera do you have that can zoom into a label that well?

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 9:39 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

So here are a few photos, anybody recognize these?  And why just antennas with 
no radios?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

 

second image on the about us page is what i saw them putting up, maybe 4'x6' 
antenna

 

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:09 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago that used large 
panels like that.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Excellent.  The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being 
installed.  The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I thought 
Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fiber at.

 

So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off the DATA project 
fiber built with BTOP funding?

 

I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3 are.  I know cellular 
antennas have gotten bigger, but I haven’t seen them that big before.  I keep 
worrying that LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

 

You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the only significant 
network that's anywhere near there. Well, ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to Rock 
Falls, but they're not selling to others.

 

Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA. Vertical yellow on the 
right is Windstream. Blue is PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that never 
happened.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Bill Prince]

  
  
It's kind of weird. He came back from the cruise earlier in
  February, then was admitted to the hospital on February 27. So it
  took 6 days or so for the illness to run its course. My nephew did
  not get word of it until the day before he died.
Yes, it's the "Grand Princess", and it's in a holding pattern
  just off the coast. If you want to see where it is, you can use
  this Marine Traffic web site: https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-123.8/centery:37.3/zoom:7
It's the blue one a couple hundred miles west of Monterey.


bp



On 3/5/2020 6:42 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
I assume this is the ship that’s in the
  news now being held off San Francisco, with headlines like
  “thousands may have been exposed on cruise ship”.  It sounds
  like after Mexico it went to Hawaii?
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:54 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
  

 
I have no idea. I'm getting this 3rd or 4th hand. 
His (current) wife was with him & I don't know where she
  is.
 
bp

 

  On 3/4/2020 6:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:


  
Did this cruise not get quarantined?
  
   
  

  On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 8:43 PM Bill
Prince 
wrote:


  We think he got it on the cruise
ship. From what I'm hearing, he's been 
in the hospital for at least 4 days. Princess cruise
from San Francisco 
to Mexico.

I don't have the whole story, as he was married 4 times,
and my wife's 
sister was #1. I'm kind of getting it from what she
tells me after 
talking to her sister. The neph went to Sacto (Roseville
actually) late 
last night. He wasn't able to get to the hospital before
he passed. They 
probably would not have let him near him anyway.


bp


On 3/4/2020 3:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:
> Condolences. Any idea where he got it?
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 4:16 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> He died this morning. You will probably see it in
the news. He did have
> what they called "multiple competing mortalities".
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/3/2020 7:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole
situation home.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>> This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father
just came back from a
>> cruise and he's now in a hospital in
Sacramento. We've been told he has
>> COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He
is in his mid 70s.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>> Everyone wears them in China ( hence the
deaths going down ) to 
>>> prevent you from touching mouth or nose and
goggles for eyes, if in 
>>> public. If you want to get the R0 (R
naught) below two and get ahead 
>>> of this you _must_ stop people from
passing.    Part of the reason 
>>> not to touch is also to keep people from
picking it up on surfaces 
>>> as there is a pretty good body of evidence
that it lasts multiple 
>>> days on paper and plastic and 1-2 days on
everything else.  YES UV 
>>> helps but this is a much tougher little
bugger than the common flu..
>>>
>>> On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
 The advice is tha

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

Mexico really does concern me. The politics of people seeking care north of
the border will be a disaster. I dont blame them coming up here. I assume
their media is as bad as our media about over hyping this, so their people
have to be scared. I cant say I wouldnt hop the border seeking healthcare
if my family were to get this and i had let the media guide me into a frenzy


On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:43 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I assume this is the ship that’s in the news now being held off San
> Francisco, with headlines like “thousands may have been exposed on cruise
> ship”.  It sounds like after Mexico it went to Hawaii?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:54 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> I have no idea. I'm getting this 3rd or 4th hand.
>
> His (current) wife was with him & I don't know where she is.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/4/2020 6:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Did this cruise not get quarantined?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 8:43 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> We think he got it on the cruise ship. From what I'm hearing, he's been
> in the hospital for at least 4 days. Princess cruise from San Francisco
> to Mexico.
>
> I don't have the whole story, as he was married 4 times, and my wife's
> sister was #1. I'm kind of getting it from what she tells me after
> talking to her sister. The neph went to Sacto (Roseville actually) late
> last night. He wasn't able to get to the hospital before he passed. They
> probably would not have let him near him anyway.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/4/2020 3:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Condolences. Any idea where he got it?
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 4:16 PM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >
> > He died this morning. You will probably see it in the news. He did have
> > what they called "multiple competing mortalities".
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 3/3/2020 7:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >> Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation home.
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
> >> To: af@af.afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >>
> >>
> >> This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a
> >> cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he has
> >> COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> >>> Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to
> >>> prevent you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in
> >>> public. If you want to get the R0 (R naught) below two and get ahead
> >>> of this you _must_ stop people from passing.Part of the reason
> >>> not to touch is also to keep people from picking it up on surfaces
> >>> as there is a pretty good body of evidence that it lasts multiple
> >>> days on paper and plastic and 1-2 days on everything else.  YES UV
> >>> helps but this is a much tougher little bugger than the common flu..
> >>>
> >>> On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>  The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say
>  if you ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that
>  masks don't really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping
>  the virus in.
> 
> 
>  bp
>  
> 
>  On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> > Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
> >
> > Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't
> > have a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an
> > event?  What the heck?
> >
> > --
> > Steven Kenney
> > Network Operations Manager
> > WaveDirect Telecommunications
> > http://www.wavedirect.net
> > (519)737-WAVE (9283)
> >
> >
> 
> >
> >
> > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> > *To: *"af" 
> > *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >
> > Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
> > the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was
> > saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
> > way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
> > there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at
> > ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.
> > The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly
> > creating a field hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out!
> >
> > I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
> > first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A
> > hurricane is worse because it closes

Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

[Mike Hammett]

https://www.smartskynetworks.com/


That's who it is. I don't know what frequencies. I don't know why into my 
points two directions.



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- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Sent: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:03:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was
installing arrays of these giant panels.  They looked like sheets of
drywall, but actually I'd estimate they were around 3x5 feet.  Almost as
tall as the tower guy installing one of them.  3 arrays, each consisting of
3 of these panels.  I've never seen such big antennas.  They were putting
them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload?

 

I didn't stop to take photos, I didn't want them calling the police on me
thinking I was a terrorist or something.  But from my description, does
anybody have a guess what these were?  This was halfway between 2 small
towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not
commuter).  Could these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all
the low and mid bands?



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Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

[Mike Hammett]

I did some looking. It looks like they're beamforming LTE in 2.4 to airplanes.

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- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Sent: Thu, 05 Mar 2020 10:25:03 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

https://www.smartskynetworks.com/


That's who it is. I don't know what frequencies. I don't know why into my 
points two directions.



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- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Sent: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:03:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was
installing arrays of these giant panels.  They looked like sheets of
drywall, but actually I'd estimate they were around 3x5 feet.  Almost as
tall as the tower guy installing one of them.  3 arrays, each consisting of
3 of these panels.  I've never seen such big antennas.  They were putting
them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload?

 

I didn't stop to take photos, I didn't want them calling the police on me
thinking I was a terrorist or something.  But from my description, does
anybody have a guess what these were?  This was halfway between 2 small
towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not
commuter).  Could these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all
the low and mid bands?



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Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

[Ken Hohhof]

Well, that's interesting.

Website says they use 2.4 GHz unlicensed band, beamforming, no interference
with terrestrial WiFi in same band, and one beam per plane.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 10:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

https://www.smartskynetworks.com/


That's who it is. I don't know what frequencies. I don't know why into my
points two directions.



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- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Sent: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:03:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was
installing arrays of these giant panels.  They looked like sheets of
drywall, but actually I'd estimate they were around 3x5 feet.  Almost as
tall as the tower guy installing one of them.  3 arrays, each consisting of
3 of these panels.  I've never seen such big antennas.  They were putting
them fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload?

 

I didn't stop to take photos, I didn't want them calling the police on me
thinking I was a terrorist or something.  But from my description, does
anybody have a guess what these were?  This was halfway between 2 small
towns in a rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not
commuter).  Could these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all
the low and mid bands?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids

[Jay Weekley]

I'll patiently await Steve's input.

Adam Moffett wrote:
I've been reading a 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook.  I got it 
because I really like the woodscraft skills, but it's also quite an 
interesting insight to the past.  They had much higher standards for 
what the scouts should be capable of.  For example, to earn an archery 
merit badge today you have to be able to repair an arrow and basically 
demonstrate that you know how to use a bow.  In 1911 you had to make 
your own bow and arrows which were accurate to a range of 100 ft and 
also be able to shoot fast enough to have 6 arrows in flight at the 
same time.  For the architecture badge you had to design a two story 
house.  For Pioneering you had to build a log shack, including felling 
the trees, building scaffolding, etc.  For the Poultry Farming badge 
you had to raise chickens and bring them to market.


I'm confident that a lot of grown men today would fail as 1911 Boy 
Scouts.


but the health section had some quaint notions.  The health lesson 
in attached pics particularly struck me since I referenced Dr 
Strangelove the other day.  You'll be a better man if you conserve 
your manly fluids.  At least they wanted the boys to be better men.  
Hearts were in the right place.


-Adam






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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/5/20 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


but the health section had some quaint notions.  The health lesson 
in attached pics particularly struck me since I referenced Dr 
Strangelove the other day.  You'll be a better man if you conserve your 
manly fluids.  At least they wanted the boys to be better men.  Hearts 
were in the right place.



Up until the mid 1800's the concept of balancing the four humors was 
still a thing.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids

[Adam Moffett]

ShhhYou'll give the man performance anxiety.

On 3/5/2020 1:55 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I'll patiently await Steve's input.

Adam Moffett wrote:
I've been reading a 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook.  I got 
it because I really like the woodscraft skills, but it's also quite 
an interesting insight to the past.  They had much higher standards 
for what the scouts should be capable of.  For example, to earn an 
archery merit badge today you have to be able to repair an arrow and 
basically demonstrate that you know how to use a bow.  In 1911 you 
had to make your own bow and arrows which were accurate to a range of 
100 ft and also be able to shoot fast enough to have 6 arrows in 
flight at the same time.  For the architecture badge you had to 
design a two story house.  For Pioneering you had to build a log 
shack, including felling the trees, building scaffolding, etc. For 
the Poultry Farming badge you had to raise chickens and bring them to 
market.


I'm confident that a lot of grown men today would fail as 1911 Boy 
Scouts.


but the health section had some quaint notions.  The health 
lesson in attached pics particularly struck me since I referenced Dr 
Strangelove the other day.  You'll be a better man if you conserve 
your manly fluids.  At least they wanted the boys to be better men.  
Hearts were in the right place.


-Adam








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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids

[Steve Jones]

Makes sense to me

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:55 PM Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> I'll patiently await Steve's input.
>
> Adam Moffett wrote:
> > I've been reading a 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook.  I got it
> > because I really like the woodscraft skills, but it's also quite an
> > interesting insight to the past.  They had much higher standards for
> > what the scouts should be capable of.  For example, to earn an archery
> > merit badge today you have to be able to repair an arrow and basically
> > demonstrate that you know how to use a bow.  In 1911 you had to make
> > your own bow and arrows which were accurate to a range of 100 ft and
> > also be able to shoot fast enough to have 6 arrows in flight at the
> > same time.  For the architecture badge you had to design a two story
> > house.  For Pioneering you had to build a log shack, including felling
> > the trees, building scaffolding, etc.  For the Poultry Farming badge
> > you had to raise chickens and bring them to market.
> >
> > I'm confident that a lot of grown men today would fail as 1911 Boy
> > Scouts.
> >
> > but the health section had some quaint notions.  The health lesson
> > in attached pics particularly struck me since I referenced Dr
> > Strangelove the other day.  You'll be a better man if you conserve
> > your manly fluids.  At least they wanted the boys to be better men.
> > Hearts were in the right place.
> >
> > -Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

[Craig Schmaderer]

Whoa...

[cid:image002.jpg@01D5F2F2.EBAEDA50]



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 10:44 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas



Well, that's interesting.



Website says they use 2.4 GHz unlicensed band, beamforming, no interference 
with terrestrial WiFi in same band, and one beam per plane.



-Original Message-

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett

Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 10:25 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas



https://www.smartskynetworks.com/





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From: Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>

Sent: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:03:02 -0600 (CST)

Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas



I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing 
arrays of these giant panels.  They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually 
I'd estimate they were around 3x5 feet.  Almost as tall as the tower guy 
installing one of them.  3 arrays, each consisting of

3 of these panels.  I've never seen such big antennas.  They were putting them 
fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload?





I didn't stop to take photos, I didn't want them calling the police on me 
thinking I was a terrorist or something.  But from my description, does anybody 
have a guess what these were?  This was halfway between 2 small towns in a 
rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter).  Could 
these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all the low and mid bands?







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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids

[chuck]

(snort)

-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley 
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 11:55 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids 


I'll patiently await Steve's input.

Adam Moffett wrote:
I've been reading a 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook.  I got it 
because I really like the woodscraft skills, but it's also quite an 
interesting insight to the past.  They had much higher standards for 
what the scouts should be capable of.  For example, to earn an archery 
merit badge today you have to be able to repair an arrow and basically 
demonstrate that you know how to use a bow.  In 1911 you had to make 
your own bow and arrows which were accurate to a range of 100 ft and 
also be able to shoot fast enough to have 6 arrows in flight at the 
same time.  For the architecture badge you had to design a two story 
house.  For Pioneering you had to build a log shack, including felling 
the trees, building scaffolding, etc.  For the Poultry Farming badge 
you had to raise chickens and bring them to market.


I'm confident that a lot of grown men today would fail as 1911 Boy 
Scouts.


but the health section had some quaint notions.  The health lesson 
in attached pics particularly struck me since I referenced Dr 
Strangelove the other day.  You'll be a better man if you conserve 
your manly fluids.  At least they wanted the boys to be better men.  
Hearts were in the right place.


-Adam






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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids

[Adam Moffett]

You really shouldn't snort the manly fluids.

On 3/5/2020 1:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

(snort)

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Thursday, March 5, 
2020 11:55 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids

I'll patiently await Steve's input.

Adam Moffett wrote:
I've been reading a 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook.  I got 
it because I really like the woodscraft skills, but it's also quite 
an interesting insight to the past.  They had much higher standards 
for what the scouts should be capable of.  For example, to earn an 
archery merit badge today you have to be able to repair an arrow and 
basically demonstrate that you know how to use a bow.  In 1911 you 
had to make your own bow and arrows which were accurate to a range of 
100 ft and also be able to shoot fast enough to have 6 arrows in 
flight at the same time.  For the architecture badge you had to 
design a two story house.  For Pioneering you had to build a log 
shack, including felling the trees, building scaffolding, etc. For 
the Poultry Farming badge you had to raise chickens and bring them to 
market.


I'm confident that a lot of grown men today would fail as 1911 Boy 
Scouts.


but the health section had some quaint notions.  The health 
lesson in attached pics particularly struck me since I referenced Dr 
Strangelove the other day.  You'll be a better man if you conserve 
your manly fluids.  At least they wanted the boys to be better men.  
Hearts were in the right place.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids

[Robert Andrews]

So it wasn't an original thought for Dr Strangelove...

On 03/05/2020 11:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Makes sense to me

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:55 PM Jay Weekley > wrote:


I'll patiently await Steve's input.

Adam Moffett wrote:
 > I've been reading a 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook.  I
got it
 > because I really like the woodscraft skills, but it's also quite an
 > interesting insight to the past.  They had much higher standards for
 > what the scouts should be capable of.  For example, to earn an
archery
 > merit badge today you have to be able to repair an arrow and
basically
 > demonstrate that you know how to use a bow.  In 1911 you had to make
 > your own bow and arrows which were accurate to a range of 100 ft and
 > also be able to shoot fast enough to have 6 arrows in flight at the
 > same time.  For the architecture badge you had to design a two story
 > house.  For Pioneering you had to build a log shack, including
felling
 > the trees, building scaffolding, etc.  For the Poultry Farming badge
 > you had to raise chickens and bring them to market.
 >
 > I'm confident that a lot of grown men today would fail as 1911 Boy
 > Scouts.
 >
 > but the health section had some quaint notions.  The health
lesson
 > in attached pics particularly struck me since I referenced Dr
 > Strangelove the other day.  You'll be a better man if you conserve
 > your manly fluids.  At least they wanted the boys to be better men.
 > Hearts were in the right place.
 >
 > -Adam
 >
 >
 >
 >

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids

[chuck]

Genesis Ch 38:8

And Judah said to Onan, Go in to your brother's wife, and marry her, and 
raise up seed to your brother.
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he 
went in to his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that 
he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased 
the LORD: why he slew him also


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 1:33 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids

So it wasn't an original thought for Dr Strangelove...

On 03/05/2020 11:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Makes sense to me

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:55 PM Jay Weekley > wrote:


I'll patiently await Steve's input.

Adam Moffett wrote:
 > I've been reading a 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook.  I
got it
 > because I really like the woodscraft skills, but it's also quite an
 > interesting insight to the past.  They had much higher standards 
for

 > what the scouts should be capable of.  For example, to earn an
archery
 > merit badge today you have to be able to repair an arrow and
basically
 > demonstrate that you know how to use a bow.  In 1911 you had to 
make
 > your own bow and arrows which were accurate to a range of 100 ft 
and

 > also be able to shoot fast enough to have 6 arrows in flight at the
 > same time.  For the architecture badge you had to design a two 
story

 > house.  For Pioneering you had to build a log shack, including
felling
 > the trees, building scaffolding, etc.  For the Poultry Farming 
badge

 > you had to raise chickens and bring them to market.
 >
 > I'm confident that a lot of grown men today would fail as 1911 Boy
 > Scouts.
 >
 > but the health section had some quaint notions.  The health
lesson
 > in attached pics particularly struck me since I referenced Dr
 > Strangelove the other day.  You'll be a better man if you conserve
 > your manly fluids.  At least they wanted the boys to be better men.
 > Hearts were in the right place.
 >
 > -Adam
 >
 >
 >
 >

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[AFMUG] Need to talk to Tower Climber in STL area.

[Mike Delp]

I am looking for a climber (or crew) to put in an estimate for hanging some
5GHz equipment on a couple of water towers.  Answer back, and I will
forward you to the guys that are asking.

Thanks,

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Re: [AFMUG] Need to talk to Tower Climber in STL area.

[Roland Houin]

Mike,

 

We could quote, obviously need details.

 

Roland

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Delp
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 4:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Need to talk to Tower Climber in STL area.

 

I am looking for a climber (or crew) to put in an estimate for hanging some 
5GHz equipment on a couple of water towers.  Answer back, and I will forward 
you to the guys that are asking.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids

[Steve Jones]

some have said that he felt guilty for impregnating his brothers wife, so
he aborted it
some have said he had shame for laying with his brothers wife and pulled
out rather than enjoying climax
I think it was morning glory seeds. God was mad because it was a dick move
to plant morning glories with hsi brothers wife since those things take
over and you cant get rid of them.
My dad hates morning glories, i planted them once and it took him years to
get rid of. That leads me to sometimes wonder if my dad is not god

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 2:59 PM  wrote:

> Genesis Ch 38:8
>
> And Judah said to Onan, Go in to your brother's wife, and marry her, and
> raise up seed to your brother.
> And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when
> he
> went in to his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that
> he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased
> the LORD: why he slew him also
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 1:33 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids
>
> So it wasn't an original thought for Dr Strangelove...
>
> On 03/05/2020 11:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > Makes sense to me
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:55 PM Jay Weekley  > > wrote:
> >
> > I'll patiently await Steve's input.
> >
> > Adam Moffett wrote:
> >  > I've been reading a 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook.  I
> > got it
> >  > because I really like the woodscraft skills, but it's also quite
> an
> >  > interesting insight to the past.  They had much higher standards
> > for
> >  > what the scouts should be capable of.  For example, to earn an
> > archery
> >  > merit badge today you have to be able to repair an arrow and
> > basically
> >  > demonstrate that you know how to use a bow.  In 1911 you had to
> > make
> >  > your own bow and arrows which were accurate to a range of 100 ft
> > and
> >  > also be able to shoot fast enough to have 6 arrows in flight at
> the
> >  > same time.  For the architecture badge you had to design a two
> > story
> >  > house.  For Pioneering you had to build a log shack, including
> > felling
> >  > the trees, building scaffolding, etc.  For the Poultry Farming
> > badge
> >  > you had to raise chickens and bring them to market.
> >  >
> >  > I'm confident that a lot of grown men today would fail as 1911 Boy
> >  > Scouts.
> >  >
> >  > but the health section had some quaint notions.  The health
> > lesson
> >  > in attached pics particularly struck me since I referenced Dr
> >  > Strangelove the other day.  You'll be a better man if you conserve
> >  > your manly fluids.  At least they wanted the boys to be better
> men.
> >  > Hearts were in the right place.
> >  >
> >  > -Adam
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids

[chuck]

They are a powerful hallucinogen.  When I was a kid our wheat fields were 
infested with them.  You could scoop some wheat out of the combine and it 
looked like it had been mixed with peppercorns or mouse turds.  This was back 
in the 1960s BTW.  We hired college kids to help with the harvest.  

Some of them would spend time in the evening pulling out the morning glory 
seeds.  I never knew why at the time.  

Google: bad morning glory seed trip

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids

some have said that he felt guilty for impregnating his brothers wife, so he 
aborted it 
some have said he had shame for laying with his brothers wife and pulled out 
rather than enjoying climax
I think it was morning glory seeds. God was mad because it was a dick move to 
plant morning glories with hsi brothers wife since those things take over and 
you cant get rid of them.
My dad hates morning glories, i planted them once and it took him years to get 
rid of. That leads me to sometimes wonder if my dad is not god

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 2:59 PM  wrote:

  Genesis Ch 38:8

  And Judah said to Onan, Go in to your brother's wife, and marry her, and 
  raise up seed to your brother.
  And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he 
  went in to his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that 
  he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased 
  the LORD: why he slew him also

  -Original Message- 
  From: Robert Andrews
  Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 1:33 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids

  So it wasn't an original thought for Dr Strangelove...

  On 03/05/2020 11:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
  > Makes sense to me
  >
  > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:55 PM Jay Weekley  > wrote:
  >
  > I'll patiently await Steve's input.
  >
  > Adam Moffett wrote:
  >  > I've been reading a 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook.  I
  > got it
  >  > because I really like the woodscraft skills, but it's also quite an
  >  > interesting insight to the past.  They had much higher standards 
  > for
  >  > what the scouts should be capable of.  For example, to earn an
  > archery
  >  > merit badge today you have to be able to repair an arrow and
  > basically
  >  > demonstrate that you know how to use a bow.  In 1911 you had to 
  > make
  >  > your own bow and arrows which were accurate to a range of 100 ft 
  > and
  >  > also be able to shoot fast enough to have 6 arrows in flight at the
  >  > same time.  For the architecture badge you had to design a two 
  > story
  >  > house.  For Pioneering you had to build a log shack, including
  > felling
  >  > the trees, building scaffolding, etc.  For the Poultry Farming 
  > badge
  >  > you had to raise chickens and bring them to market.
  >  >
  >  > I'm confident that a lot of grown men today would fail as 1911 Boy
  >  > Scouts.
  >  >
  >  > but the health section had some quaint notions.  The health
  > lesson
  >  > in attached pics particularly struck me since I referenced Dr
  >  > Strangelove the other day.  You'll be a better man if you conserve
  >  > your manly fluids.  At least they wanted the boys to be better men.
  >  > Hearts were in the right place.
  >  >
  >  > -Adam
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >
  >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids

[Steve Jones]

Theyre hard to process for that

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 4:36 PM  wrote:

> They are a powerful hallucinogen.  When I was a kid our wheat fields were
> infested with them.  You could scoop some wheat out of the combine and it
> looked like it had been mixed with peppercorns or mouse turds.  This was
> back in the 1960s BTW.  We hired college kids to help with the harvest.
>
> Some of them would spend time in the evening pulling out the morning glory
> seeds.  I never knew why at the time.
>
> Google: bad morning glory seed trip
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:06 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids
>
> some have said that he felt guilty for impregnating his brothers wife, so
> he aborted it
> some have said he had shame for laying with his brothers wife and pulled
> out rather than enjoying climax
> I think it was morning glory seeds. God was mad because it was a dick move
> to plant morning glories with hsi brothers wife since those things take
> over and you cant get rid of them.
> My dad hates morning glories, i planted them once and it took him years to
> get rid of. That leads me to sometimes wonder if my dad is not god
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 2:59 PM  wrote:
>
>> Genesis Ch 38:8
>>
>> And Judah said to Onan, Go in to your brother's wife, and marry her, and
>> raise up seed to your brother.
>> And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when
>> he
>> went in to his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest
>> that
>> he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased
>> the LORD: why he slew him also
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 1:33 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Conserving your fluids
>>
>> So it wasn't an original thought for Dr Strangelove...
>>
>> On 03/05/2020 11:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> > Makes sense to me
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:55 PM Jay Weekley > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > I'll patiently await Steve's input.
>> >
>> > Adam Moffett wrote:
>> >  > I've been reading a 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook.  I
>> > got it
>> >  > because I really like the woodscraft skills, but it's also quite
>> an
>> >  > interesting insight to the past.  They had much higher standards
>> > for
>> >  > what the scouts should be capable of.  For example, to earn an
>> > archery
>> >  > merit badge today you have to be able to repair an arrow and
>> > basically
>> >  > demonstrate that you know how to use a bow.  In 1911 you had to
>> > make
>> >  > your own bow and arrows which were accurate to a range of 100 ft
>> > and
>> >  > also be able to shoot fast enough to have 6 arrows in flight at
>> the
>> >  > same time.  For the architecture badge you had to design a two
>> > story
>> >  > house.  For Pioneering you had to build a log shack, including
>> > felling
>> >  > the trees, building scaffolding, etc.  For the Poultry Farming
>> > badge
>> >  > you had to raise chickens and bring them to market.
>> >  >
>> >  > I'm confident that a lot of grown men today would fail as 1911
>> Boy
>> >  > Scouts.
>> >  >
>> >  > but the health section had some quaint notions.  The health
>> > lesson
>> >  > in attached pics particularly struck me since I referenced Dr
>> >  > Strangelove the other day.  You'll be a better man if you
>> conserve
>> >  > your manly fluids.  At least they wanted the boys to be better
>> men.
>> >  > Hearts were in the right place.
>> >  >
>> >  > -Adam
>> >  >
>> >  >
>> >  >
>> >  >
>> >
>> > --
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>> > *Cyber Broadband
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[AFMUG] OT - is Elon Musk nuts?

[Ken Hohhof]

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/inside-elon-musks-plan-to-build-one-
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - is Elon Musk nuts?

[Adam Moffett]

Yes.  He's nuts.

He'll solve the problem of delivering a colony to Mars, but has anyone 
solved the problem of how they'll actually survive on Mars?


We've had trouble with building closed ecosystems on Earth, where the 
temperature and pressure are survivable and the air is breathable.  
Shouldn't they experiment with a colony in Antarctica or Death Valley 
before they worry about launching it all to Mars?


Or is the hope that solving one piece of the puzzle will create a will 
to solve the rest of it?



On 3/5/2020 6:25 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/inside-elon-musks-plan-to-build-one-starship-a-week-and-settle-mars/


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - is Elon Musk nuts?

[Robert]

He's the ultimate tool builder.   First he builds a better tool than 
anyone else then he comes up with the way to use it.


On 3/5/20 4:09 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


Yes.  He's nuts.

He'll solve the problem of delivering a colony to Mars, but has anyone 
solved the problem of how they'll actually survive on Mars?


We've had trouble with building closed ecosystems on Earth, where the 
temperature and pressure are survivable and the air is breathable.  
Shouldn't they experiment with a colony in Antarctica or Death Valley 
before they worry about launching it all to Mars?


Or is the hope that solving one piece of the puzzle will create a will 
to solve the rest of it?



On 3/5/2020 6:25 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/inside-elon-musks-plan-to-build-one-starship-a-week-and-settle-mars/






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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRkufyTL7gk details on airliner air and 
viruses


On 3/5/20 7:42 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Mexico really does concern me. The politics of people seeking care 
north of the border will be a disaster. I dont blame them coming up 
here. I assume their media is as bad as our media about over hyping 
this, so their people have to be scared. I cant say I wouldnt hop the 
border seeking healthcare if my family were to get this and i had let 
the media guide me into a frenzy



On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:43 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


I assume this is the ship that’s in the news now being held off
San Francisco, with headlines like “thousands may have been
exposed on cruise ship”.  It sounds like after Mexico it went to
Hawaii?

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:54 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

I have no idea. I'm getting this 3rd or 4th hand.

His (current) wife was with him & I don't know where she is.

bp



  


On 3/4/2020 6:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Did this cruise not get quarantined?

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 8:43 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We think he got it on the cruise ship. From what I'm
hearing, he's been
in the hospital for at least 4 days. Princess cruise from
San Francisco
to Mexico.

I don't have the whole story, as he was married 4 times,
and my wife's
sister was #1. I'm kind of getting it from what she tells
me after
talking to her sister. The neph went to Sacto (Roseville
actually) late
last night. He wasn't able to get to the hospital before
he passed. They
probably would not have let him near him anyway.


bp


On 3/4/2020 3:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
 wrote:
> Condolences. Any idea where he got it?
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 4:16 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> He died this morning. You will probably see it in the
news. He did have
> what they called "multiple competing mortalities".
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/3/2020 7:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
 wrote:
>> Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation home.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>> This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just
came back from a
>> cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've
been told he has
>> COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in
his mid 70s.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>> Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going
down ) to
>>> prevent you from touching mouth or nose and goggles
for eyes, if in
>>> public. If you want to get the R0 (R naught) below two
and get ahead
>>> of this you _must_ stop people from passing.    Part
of the reason
>>> not to touch is also to keep people from picking it up
on surfaces
>>> as there is a pretty good body of evidence that it
lasts multiple
>>> days on paper and plastic and 1-2 days on everything
else.  YES UV
>>> helps but this is a much tougher little bugger than
the common flu..
>>>
>>> On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
 The advice is that masks don't really protect you.
OTOH, they say
 if you ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The
idea is that
 masks don't really keep the virus out, but they can
help in keeping
 the virus in.


 bp
 

 On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
>
> Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the
world doesn't
> ha

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is Elon Musk nuts?

[Nate Burke]

Was it posted here, or somewhere else, that getting the people to Mars 
is the easy part, dealing with the Radiation because there's such a thin 
atmosphere is the hard part.  I.E. The people will get to mars, but 
they'll only survive for a couple years or less once they get there.


On 3/5/2020 6:11 PM, Robert wrote:
He's the ultimate tool builder.   First he builds a better tool than 
anyone else then he comes up with the way to use it.


On 3/5/20 4:09 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


Yes.  He's nuts.

He'll solve the problem of delivering a colony to Mars, but has 
anyone solved the problem of how they'll actually survive on Mars?


We've had trouble with building closed ecosystems on Earth, where the 
temperature and pressure are survivable and the air is breathable.  
Shouldn't they experiment with a colony in Antarctica or Death Valley 
before they worry about launching it all to Mars?


Or is the hope that solving one piece of the puzzle will create a 
will to solve the rest of it?



On 3/5/2020 6:25 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/inside-elon-musks-plan-to-build-one-starship-a-week-and-settle-mars/










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Re: [AFMUG] OT - is Elon Musk nuts?

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that he's nuts... but being nuts seems to
be working out pretty well for him.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:09 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Yes.  He's nuts.
>
> He'll solve the problem of delivering a colony to Mars, but has anyone
> solved the problem of how they'll actually survive on Mars?
>
> We've had trouble with building closed ecosystems on Earth, where the
> temperature and pressure are survivable and the air is breathable.
> Shouldn't they experiment with a colony in Antarctica or Death Valley
> before they worry about launching it all to Mars?
>
> Or is the hope that solving one piece of the puzzle will create a will to
> solve the rest of it?
>
>
> On 3/5/2020 6:25 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/inside-elon-musks-plan-to-build-one-starship-a-week-and-settle-mars/
>
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Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

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From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:03:02 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas 



I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing 
arrays of these giant panels. They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually 
I’d estimate they were around 3x5 feet. Almost as tall as the tower guy 
installing one of them. 3 arrays, each consisting of 3 of these panels. I’ve 
never seen such big antennas. They were putting them fairly low on the tower, 
maybe because of windload? 

I didn’t stop to take photos, I didn’t want them calling the police on me 
thinking I was a terrorist or something. But from my description, does anybody 
have a guess what these were? This was halfway between 2 small towns in a rural 
area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter). Could these be 
some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all the low and mid bands? 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - is Elon Musk nuts?

[Lewis Bergman]

Maybe he plans on them sciencing the shit out of that thing.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 6:09 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Yes.  He's nuts.
>
> He'll solve the problem of delivering a colony to Mars, but has anyone
> solved the problem of how they'll actually survive on Mars?
>
> We've had trouble with building closed ecosystems on Earth, where the
> temperature and pressure are survivable and the air is breathable.
> Shouldn't they experiment with a colony in Antarctica or Death Valley
> before they worry about launching it all to Mars?
>
> Or is the hope that solving one piece of the puzzle will create a will to
> solve the rest of it?
>
>
> On 3/5/2020 6:25 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/inside-elon-musks-plan-to-build-one-starship-a-week-and-settle-mars/
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - is Elon Musk nuts?

[Steve Jones]

Yeah, matt damon already got that figured out. Musk has probably been
bagging up tesla employees poop and stockpiling potatos for years

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 6:42 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> Maybe he plans on them sciencing the shit out of that thing.
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 6:09 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Yes.  He's nuts.
>>
>> He'll solve the problem of delivering a colony to Mars, but has anyone
>> solved the problem of how they'll actually survive on Mars?
>>
>> We've had trouble with building closed ecosystems on Earth, where the
>> temperature and pressure are survivable and the air is breathable.
>> Shouldn't they experiment with a colony in Antarctica or Death Valley
>> before they worry about launching it all to Mars?
>>
>> Or is the hope that solving one piece of the puzzle will create a will to
>> solve the rest of it?
>>
>>
>> On 3/5/2020 6:25 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/inside-elon-musks-plan-to-build-one-starship-a-week-and-settle-mars/
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

[Ken Hohhof]

Oh, I paid no attention to that tilted panel assuming it was a solar panel, 
from the label it is apparently a VSAT antenna?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 6:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

 

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From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:03:02 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing 
arrays of these giant panels.  They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually 
I’d estimate they were around 3x5 feet.  Almost as tall as the tower guy 
installing one of them.  3 arrays, each consisting of 3 of these panels.  I’ve 
never seen such big antennas.  They were putting them fairly low on the tower, 
maybe because of windload?

 

I didn’t stop to take photos, I didn’t want them calling the police on me 
thinking I was a terrorist or something.  But from my description, does anybody 
have a guess what these were?  This was halfway between 2 small towns in a 
rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter).  Could 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - is Elon Musk nuts?

[Adam Moffett]

I mean I guess I'd give him his "Mars Colony" merit badge.  Even by 1911 
Boy Scout standards he's making a solid effort.


On 3/5/2020 7:32 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that he's nuts... but being nuts 
seems to be working out pretty well for him.


On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:09 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


Yes.  He's nuts.

He'll solve the problem of delivering a colony to Mars, but has
anyone solved the problem of how they'll actually survive on Mars?

We've had trouble with building closed ecosystems on Earth, where
the temperature and pressure are survivable and the air is
breathable.  Shouldn't they experiment with a colony in Antarctica
or Death Valley before they worry about launching it all to Mars?

Or is the hope that solving one piece of the puzzle will create a
will to solve the rest of it?


On 3/5/2020 6:25 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:



https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/inside-elon-musks-plan-to-build-one-starship-a-week-and-settle-mars/


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - is Elon Musk nuts?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
According to the movies, that is what it takes.

bp



On 3/5/2020 4:41 PM, Lewis Bergman
  wrote:


  
  Maybe he plans on them sciencing the shit out of
that thing. 
  
  
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 6:09 PM
  Adam Moffett  wrote:


  
Yes.  He's nuts.  

He'll solve the problem of delivering a colony to Mars,
  but has anyone solved the problem of how they'll actually
  survive on Mars? 

We've had trouble with building closed ecosystems on
  Earth, where the temperature and pressure are survivable
  and the air is breathable.  Shouldn't they experiment with
  a colony in Antarctica or Death Valley before they worry
  about launching it all to Mars?
Or is the hope that solving one piece of the puzzle will
  create a will to solve the rest of it?



On 3/5/2020 6:25 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/inside-elon-musks-plan-to-build-one-starship-a-week-and-settle-mars/
 
  
  
  

  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Jaime Solorza]

You can't tweet it away!!! Just saying

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 8:18 AM castarritt .  wrote:

> I see a lot of people in other forums that seem to think the virus won't
> be as dangerous in the US because 'murica, but looking my average fellow
> Americans and our rate of comorbidities, I'm not so sure about that.  Also,
> this:
>
>
> https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/transporting-an-infected-person-china-italy-usa-comparison-corona-virus.jpg
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 2:29 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> This is not good news:
>>
>>
>> https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 8:56 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation home.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Bill Prince
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>>
>>> This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a
>>> cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he has
>>> COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>> > Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to
>>> prevent
>>> > you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in public. If
>>> you
>>> > want to get the R0  (R naught) below two and get ahead of this you
>>> _must_
>>> > stop people from passing.Part of the reason not to touch is also
>>> to
>>> > keep people from picking it up on surfaces as there is a pretty good
>>> body
>>> > of evidence that it lasts multiple days on paper and plastic and 1-2
>>> days
>>> > on everything else.  YES UV helps but this is a much tougher little
>>> bugger
>>> > than the common flu..
>>> >
>>> > On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> >> The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if
>>> you
>>> >> ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks
>>> don't
>>> >> really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the virus in.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> bp
>>> >> 
>>> >>
>>> >> On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>>> >>> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't
>>> have a
>>> >>> 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  What
>>> the
>>> >>> heck?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Steven Kenney
>>> >>> Network Operations Manager
>>> >>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>> >>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>> >>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> 
>>> >>>
>>> >>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
>>> >>> *To: *"af" 
>>> >>> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
>>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
>>> term
>>> >>> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US
>>> >>> healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as
>>> airlines,
>>> >>> aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge
>>> >>> capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more
>>> >>> facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t
>>> stupid
>>> >>> with their modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital.
>>> >>> Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
>>> first
>>> >>> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is
>>> worse
>>> >>> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating
>>> capacity.
>>> >>> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is
>>> >>> infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get
>>> >>> quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in
>>> >>> Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a
>>> >>> precaution because they had been to that facility.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> >>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
>>> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
>>> >>> enough patients
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince >> >>> > wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
>>> >>> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
>>> >>> the end.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> bp
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Well, the French are screwed, they 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is Elon Musk nuts?

[Ken Hohhof]

It’s like he asked the engineers “what’s the hardest part of sending people to 
Mars” and they said “bringing them back” and so he said “don’t do that”.

 

Also, who does he think is going to pay for this?  Is he going to charge people 
to be colonists?  He must be assuming the government will pick up the tab.  
Unless like everything else in the Internet age, he is counting on advertising 
and data mining.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 7:36 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is Elon Musk nuts?

 

According to the movies, that is what it takes.

bp

 

On 3/5/2020 4:41 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Maybe he plans on them sciencing the shit out of that thing. 

 

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 6:09 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes.  He's nuts.  

He'll solve the problem of delivering a colony to Mars, but has anyone solved 
the problem of how they'll actually survive on Mars? 

We've had trouble with building closed ecosystems on Earth, where the 
temperature and pressure are survivable and the air is breathable.  Shouldn't 
they experiment with a colony in Antarctica or Death Valley before they worry 
about launching it all to Mars?

Or is the hope that solving one piece of the puzzle will create a will to solve 
the rest of it?

 

On 3/5/2020 6:25 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/inside-elon-musks-plan-to-build-one-starship-a-week-and-settle-mars/

 





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Re: [AFMUG] OT - is Elon Musk nuts?

[Robert]

Satellite Internet, so everyone left behind!

On 3/5/20 6:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


It’s like he asked the engineers “what’s the hardest part of sending 
people to Mars” and they said “bringing them back” and so he said 
“don’t do that”.


Also, who does he think is going to pay for this?  Is he going to 
charge people to be colonists?  He must be assuming the government 
will pick up the tab.  Unless like everything else in the Internet 
age, he is counting on advertising and data mining.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, March 5, 2020 7:36 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - is Elon Musk nuts?

According to the movies, that is what it takes.

bp


On 3/5/2020 4:41 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Maybe he plans on them sciencing the shit out of that thing.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 6:09 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yes.  He's nuts.

He'll solve the problem of delivering a colony to Mars, but
has anyone solved the problem of how they'll actually survive
on Mars?

We've had trouble with building closed ecosystems on Earth,
where the temperature and pressure are survivable and the air
is breathable.  Shouldn't they experiment with a colony in
Antarctica or Death Valley before they worry about launching
it all to Mars?

Or is the hope that solving one piece of the puzzle will
create a will to solve the rest of it?

On 3/5/2020 6:25 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/inside-elon-musks-plan-to-build-one-starship-a-week-and-settle-mars/



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Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

[Mike Hammett]

I didn't look closely. Not sure what Sprint would be doing with it. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 7:03:20 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas 



Oh, I paid no attention to that tilted panel assuming it was a solar panel, 
from the label it is apparently a VSAT antenna? 



From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 6:42 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas 


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From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:03:02 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas 
I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing 
arrays of these giant panels. They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually 
I’d estimate they were around 3x5 feet. Almost as tall as the tower guy 
installing one of them. 3 arrays, each consisting of 3 of these panels. I’ve 
never seen such big antennas. They were putting them fairly low on the tower, 
maybe because of windload? 

I didn’t stop to take photos, I didn’t want them calling the police on me 
thinking I was a terrorist or something. But from my description, does anybody 
have a guess what these were? This was halfway between 2 small towns in a rural 
area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter). Could these be 
some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all the low and mid bands? 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - is Elon Musk nuts?

[Steve Jones]

Pornhub/mars

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 8:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> It’s like he asked the engineers “what’s the hardest part of sending
> people to Mars” and they said “bringing them back” and so he said “don’t do
> that”.
>
>
>
> Also, who does he think is going to pay for this?  Is he going to charge
> people to be colonists?  He must be assuming the government will pick up
> the tab.  Unless like everything else in the Internet age, he is counting
> on advertising and data mining.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 5, 2020 7:36 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - is Elon Musk nuts?
>
>
>
> According to the movies, that is what it takes.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/5/2020 4:41 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Maybe he plans on them sciencing the shit out of that thing.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 6:09 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Yes.  He's nuts.
>
> He'll solve the problem of delivering a colony to Mars, but has anyone
> solved the problem of how they'll actually survive on Mars?
>
> We've had trouble with building closed ecosystems on Earth, where the
> temperature and pressure are survivable and the air is breathable.
> Shouldn't they experiment with a colony in Antarctica or Death Valley
> before they worry about launching it all to Mars?
>
> Or is the hope that solving one piece of the puzzle will create a will to
> solve the rest of it?
>
>
>
> On 3/5/2020 6:25 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/inside-elon-musks-plan-to-build-one-starship-a-week-and-settle-mars/
>
>
>
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