Mexico really does concern me. The politics of people seeking care north of
the border will be a disaster. I dont blame them coming up here. I assume
their media is as bad as our media about over hyping this, so their people
have to be scared. I cant say I wouldnt hop the border seeking healthcare
if my family were to get this and i had let the media guide me into a frenzy
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:43 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
> I assume this is the ship that’s in the news now being held off San
> Francisco, with headlines like “thousands may have been exposed on cruise
> ship”. It sounds like after Mexico it went to Hawaii?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:54 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> I have no idea. I'm getting this 3rd or 4th hand.
>
> His (current) wife was with him & I don't know where she is.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
>
> On 3/4/2020 6:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Did this cruise not get quarantined?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 8:43 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We think he got it on the cruise ship. From what I'm hearing, he's been
> in the hospital for at least 4 days. Princess cruise from San Francisco
> to Mexico.
>
> I don't have the whole story, as he was married 4 times, and my wife's
> sister was #1. I'm kind of getting it from what she tells me after
> talking to her sister. The neph went to Sacto (Roseville actually) late
> last night. He wasn't able to get to the hospital before he passed. They
> probably would not have let him near him anyway.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 3/4/2020 3:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Condolences. Any idea where he got it?
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 4:16 PM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >
> > He died this morning. You will probably see it in the news. He did have
> > what they called "multiple competing mortalities".
> >
> > bp
> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> >
> > On 3/3/2020 7:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >> Wow, that is sad. Really brings the whole situation home.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
> >> To: af@af.afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >>
> >>
> >> This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a
> >> cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he has
> >> COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> >>
> >> On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> >>> Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to
> >>> prevent you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in
> >>> public. If you want to get the R0 (R naught) below two and get ahead
> >>> of this you _must_ stop people from passing. Part of the reason
> >>> not to touch is also to keep people from picking it up on surfaces
> >>> as there is a pretty good body of evidence that it lasts multiple
> >>> days on paper and plastic and 1-2 days on everything else. YES UV
> >>> helps but this is a much tougher little bugger than the common flu..
> >>>
> >>> On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >>>> The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say
> >>>> if you ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that
> >>>> masks don't really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping
> >>>> the virus in.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> bp
> >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> >>>>> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Uhh hello? The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't
> >>>>> have a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an
> >>>>> event? What the heck?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Steven Kenney
> >>>>> Network Operations Manager
> >>>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> >>>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
> >>>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
> >>>>> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com>
> >>>>> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I heard
> >>>>> the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was
> >>>>> saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
> >>>>> way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
> >>>>> there’s not much surge capacity. Let’s hope somebody’s looking at
> >>>>> ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.
> >>>>> The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly
> >>>>> creating a field hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
> >>>>> first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A
> >>>>> hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and
> >>>>> pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the coronavirus what I
> >>>>> suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
> >>>>> staff and first responders so they get quarantined. This appears
> >>>>> to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.
> >>>>> 25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they
> >>>>> had been to that facility.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont
> >>>>> have enough patients
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
> >>>>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
> >>>>> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
> >>>>> the end.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> bp
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
> >>>>> tonight’s dinner. Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
> >>>>> baguettes. Probably the only thing in their pantry is
> >>>>> cigarettes and wine. But at least if these are the end
> >>>>> times,
> >>>>> they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end. Who
> >>>>> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
> >>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
> >>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
> >>>>> preparation. Some part of you is rooting for it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just a hypothesis.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
> >>>>> most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
> >>>>> minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing
> >>>>> primal
> >>>>> tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have
> >>>>> the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i
> >>>>> never
> >>>>> understood why people on the right get very nervous about
> >>>>> these things. a lot like devout christians worying about
> >>>>> end times and rapture.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown
> >>>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you
> >>>>> guys. He is very alt right too. He might be Alex
> >>>>> Jones... I have never seen them both at the same
> >>>>> place
> >>>>> at the same time. He is certain Kung flu is gonna
> >>>>> get
> >>>>> us all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
> >>>>> Technologies <m...@mailmt.com
> >>>>> <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On a side note. Thanks for letting me rant and
> >>>>> rave here. Can't do it at home, wife just rolls
> >>>>> eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man. Chuck, I
> >>>>> know you are saving me a few $ in therapy. So,
> >>>>> Thank You.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> >>>>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from
> >>>>> Washington Post after all), but sounds kind of
> >>>>> science-y.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading
> >>>>> undetected for about six weeks in Washington
> >>>>> state, where the first U.S. death was reported
> >>>>> this weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> cases are linked through community transmission
> >>>>> and that this has been going on for weeks, with
> >>>>> hundreds of infections likely in the state.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
> >>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
> >>>>> *Ken Hohhof
> >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM
> >>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> >>>>> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing. I
> >>>>> have not seen news reports anything close to “we
> >>>>> are all going to die”.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And I just stopped at the grocery store, no signs
> >>>>> at all of people buying up all the Lysol and
> >>>>> Purell. I did buy a couple of the pump bottles of
> >>>>> foaming hand soap we like, but the shelf was
> >>>>> full. News reports have said wash your hands and
> >>>>> that it’s good advice for seasonal flu as well, I
> >>>>> don’t think that’s doomsday advice.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are all
> >>>>> crazy there (as usual). Actually I have to admit
> >>>>> that I recently discovered the steaks from
> >>>>> Walmart
> >>>>> are actually pretty good, they were branded Tyson
> >>>>> Fresh Meats.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
> >>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
> >>>>> *Mark - Myakka Technologies
> >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM
> >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>>>> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are only a few things we know for sure.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. It is already in the US
> >>>>> 2. More people in the US will get it
> >>>>> 3. More people in the US will die.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anything other than this is pure speculation at
> >>>>> this point. We don't know anything about this
> >>>>> virus. Most everything I hear or read about this
> >>>>> virus starts off with the equivalent of "WE ARE
> >>>>> ALL GOING TO DIE". But if you bother to listen or
> >>>>> read the article, it always has "may" or "some
> >>>>> experts". The current official incubation period
> >>>>> is 2-14 days, but hey lets just report 14 days
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> base all our models on this and report it as the
> >>>>> most likely scenario. We don't know how long it
> >>>>> lives on surfaces. We don't know how it reacts to
> >>>>> UV light. We don't know how it will do in
> >>>>> warm/humid conditions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's),
> >>>>> This
> >>>>> virus has been in the states before the first
> >>>>> reported case. People have had it and recovered
> >>>>> thinking it was just the flu. Not everyone
> >>>>> exposed
> >>>>> is going to get it. Not everyone who gets it is
> >>>>> going to need to be hospitalized. Not everyone
> >>>>> who gets hospitalized will die.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The media once again is doing us a huge
> >>>>> dis-service. They are hyping this thing way out
> >>>>> of proportion. Was at Wal-mart yesterday. Every
> >>>>> can of Lysol or Lysol type of product was
> >>>>> gone. Every package of disinfectant wipes were gone. Every bottle
> >>>>> of any sized hand sanitizer, gone. Crazy. The closest reported
> >>>>> "maybe" case is over
> >>>>> 1300 miles away. God forbid we get a reported
> >>>>> case in Florida, what will happen then? Going to
> >>>>> start burning and looting?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> >>>>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV or
> >>>>> any podcasts or blogs. I do pay attention to as
> >>>>> much scientifically-based information I can find
> >>>>> though.
> >>>>> This is a pretty good synopsis on our current
> >>>>> knowledge without any spin:
> >>>>>
> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> bp
> >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nazis are socialists. Bernie is a socialist.
> >>>>> Therefore Bernie is a Nazi. So the Internet says.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
> >>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
> >>>>> *Steve Jones
> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM
> >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>>>> <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT
> >>>>> stock)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thats the secret, remember russia shafted the
> >>>>> nazis last time... russia is in asia, so russians
> >>>>> are asians. Taking them out of the running
> >>>>> too....
> >>>>> Weve said too much
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett
> >>>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com
> >>>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nazis also hate Communists. It all fits.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is
> >>>>> obviously genetically designed to target Asians.
> >>>>> The proof is that 99% of infections are asians.
> >>>>> Obviously this is the resurgence of the Nazi
> >>>>> party
> >>>>> trying to eliminate a majority of the population
> >>>>> so they can initiate another run at global
> >>>>> domination. My neighbors mom, Karen told me that
> >>>>> her friend, carols husband Brad told her that he
> >>>>> heard that this is what brexit was all about.
> >>>>> Germany and Great Britian are forming an alliance
> >>>>> now. Its all hush hush, but there is a shadow
> >>>>> government of guess what... Nazis.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett
> >>>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com
> >>>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You mean.....Nazi's created Coronavirus?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >>>>> > I'm waiting for Godwin...
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > bp
> >>>>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >>>>> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that
> >>>>> literally everything is a
> >>>>> >> "conspiracy".
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on
> >>>>> purpose, and nobody has the
> >>>>> >> whole picture of what happened until more time
> >>>>> passes. In the interim
> >>>>> >> there's a lot of conflicting information going
> >>>>> around. People latch
> >>>>> >> onto early bits of information that turn
> >>>>> out to
> >>>>> be wrong and they
> >>>>> >> won't let go of them.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to
> >>>>> distract press from Hong Kong
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat
> >>>>> China in a trade war
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to
> >>>>> discredit Mexican Lager (I
> >>>>> >> mean that one's obviously a joke.....right?)
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all
> >>>>> stock our survival bunkers.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> China is hiding all the information about
> >>>>> Coronavirus. Really? Or
> >>>>> >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time
> >>>>> omniscient feed of all
> >>>>> >> information so they're reporting what they
> >>>>> think is true at the time
> >>>>> >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't
> >>>>> all true.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >>>>> >>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion
> >>>>> off topic.
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and
> >>>>> only
> >>>>> about a dozen actual
> >>>>> >>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a
> >>>>> big deal. Novel
> >>>>> >>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious
> >>>>> than
> >>>>> SARS, but not
> >>>>> >>> particularly deadly.
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >
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