Mexico really does concern me. The politics of people seeking care
north of the border will be a disaster. I dont blame them coming up
here. I assume their media is as bad as our media about over hyping
this, so their people have to be scared. I cant say I wouldnt hop the
border seeking healthcare if my family were to get this and i had let
the media guide me into a frenzy
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:43 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I assume this is the ship that’s in the news now being held off
San Francisco, with headlines like “thousands may have been
exposed on cruise ship”. It sounds like after Mexico it went to
Hawaii?
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:54 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
I have no idea. I'm getting this 3rd or 4th hand.
His (current) wife was with him & I don't know where she is.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/4/2020 6:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Did this cruise not get quarantined?
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 8:43 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We think he got it on the cruise ship. From what I'm
hearing, he's been
in the hospital for at least 4 days. Princess cruise from
San Francisco
to Mexico.
I don't have the whole story, as he was married 4 times,
and my wife's
sister was #1. I'm kind of getting it from what she tells
me after
talking to her sister. The neph went to Sacto (Roseville
actually) late
last night. He wasn't able to get to the hospital before
he passed. They
probably would not have let him near him anyway.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/4/2020 3:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> Condolences. Any idea where he got it?
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 4:16 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> He died this morning. You will probably see it in the
news. He did have
> what they called "multiple competing mortalities".
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 3/3/2020 7:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> Wow, that is sad. Really brings the whole situation home.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>> This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just
came back from a
>> cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've
been told he has
>> COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in
his mid 70s.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>> Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going
down ) to
>>> prevent you from touching mouth or nose and goggles
for eyes, if in
>>> public. If you want to get the R0 (R naught) below two
and get ahead
>>> of this you _must_ stop people from passing. Part
of the reason
>>> not to touch is also to keep people from picking it up
on surfaces
>>> as there is a pretty good body of evidence that it
lasts multiple
>>> days on paper and plastic and 1-2 days on everything
else. YES UV
>>> helps but this is a much tougher little bugger than
the common flu..
>>>
>>> On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>> The advice is that masks don't really protect you.
OTOH, they say
>>>> if you ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The
idea is that
>>>> masks don't really keep the virus out, but they can
help in keeping
>>>> the virus in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>>>>> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Uhh hello? The richest most "ready" country in the
world doesn't
>>>>> have a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for
such an
>>>>> event? What the heck?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Steven Kenney
>>>>> Network Operations Manager
>>>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>>>
>>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
>>>>> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first
time I heard
>>>>> the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.
Person was
>>>>> saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals
efficient same
>>>>> way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the
result that
>>>>> there’s not much surge capacity. Let’s hope
somebody’s looking at
>>>>> ways to open up more facilities in areas where
outbreaks happen.
>>>>> The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular
approach to quickly
>>>>> creating a field hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time
for a bug out!
>>>>>
>>>>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge
capacity” and the
>>>>> first page of results were mostly studies after
Katrina. A
>>>>> hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and
>>>>> pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the
coronavirus what I
>>>>> suspect we need to guard against is infecting all
the hospital
>>>>> staff and first responders so they get quarantined.
This appears
>>>>> to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland,
Washington.
>>>>> 25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution
because they
>>>>> had been to that facility.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>>>
>>>>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since
they dont
>>>>> have enough patients
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
>>>>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I
would rather die from
>>>>> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
>>>>>
>>>>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my
COPD and hasten
>>>>> the end.
>>>>>
>>>>> bp
>>>>>
>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t
even stock food for
>>>>> tonight’s dinner. Because who wants to eat 2
hour old
>>>>> baguettes. Probably the only thing in their
pantry is
>>>>> cigarettes and wine. But at least if these
are the end
>>>>> times,
>>>>> they have cigarettes and wine while they
watch the end. Who
>>>>> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
>>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>>>
>>>>> You need the disaster to occur to justify
all your
>>>>> preparation. Some part of you is rooting
for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a hypothesis.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> i never understood it, on the right, we
tend to be the
>>>>> most prepared. most of the die hard
preppers are right
>>>>> minded. we tend to be the most capable
of utilizing
>>>>> primal
>>>>> tools and food/water sources. if it goes
boogity, we have
>>>>> the best firepower and ammunition and
training. so i
>>>>> never
>>>>> understood why people on the right get
very nervous about
>>>>> these things. a lot like devout
christians worying about
>>>>> end times and rapture.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown
>>>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My oldest home - again son is much
worse than you
>>>>> guys. He is very alt right too. He
might be Alex
>>>>> Jones... I have never seen them both
at the same
>>>>> place
>>>>> at the same time. He is certain
Kung flu is gonna
>>>>> get
>>>>> us all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark
- Myakka
>>>>> Technologies <m...@mailmt.com <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>
>>>>> <mailto:m...@mailmt.com <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>>>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On a side note. Thanks for
letting me rant and
>>>>> rave here. Can't do it at home,
wife just rolls
>>>>> eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy
old man. Chuck, I
>>>>> know you are saving me a few $
in therapy. So,
>>>>> Thank You.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
<mailto:m...@mailmt.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>>>>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com>
<http://www.Myakka.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------
>>>>>
>>>>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53
PM, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, maybe this is hysterical
reporting (it’s from
>>>>> Washington Post after all), but sounds kind of
>>>>> science-y.
>>>>>
>>>>> The novel coronavirus has
probably been spreading
>>>>> undetected for about six weeks in Washington
>>>>> state, where the first U.S.
death was reported
>>>>> this weekend. A genetic analysis
suggests that
>>>>> the
>>>>> cases are linked through
community transmission
>>>>> and that this has been going on
for weeks, with
>>>>> hundreds of infections likely in
the state.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:*AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
>>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>> *On Behalf Of
>>>>> *Ken Hohhof
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020
6:21 PM
>>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group'
>>>>> <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>>>
>>>>> Must be a Florida thing, or a
Walmart thing. I
>>>>> have not seen news reports
anything close to “we
>>>>> are all going to die”.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I just stopped at the
grocery store, no signs
>>>>> at all of people buying up all
the Lysol and
>>>>> Purell. I did buy a couple of
the pump bottles of
>>>>> foaming hand soap we like, but
the shelf was
>>>>> full. News reports have said
wash your hands and
>>>>> that it’s good advice for
seasonal flu as well, I
>>>>> don’t think that’s doomsday advice.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not checked Walmart,
maybe things are all
>>>>> crazy there (as usual).
Actually I have to admit
>>>>> that I recently discovered the
steaks from
>>>>> Walmart
>>>>> are actually pretty good, they
were branded Tyson
>>>>> Fresh Meats.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
>>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>> *On Behalf Of
>>>>> *Mark - Myakka Technologies
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020
5:53 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group
>>>>> <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>>>
>>>>> There are only a few things we
know for sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. It is already in the US
>>>>> 2. More people in the US will get it
>>>>> 3. More people in the US will die.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything other than this is pure
speculation at
>>>>> this point. We don't know
anything about this
>>>>> virus. Most everything I hear or
read about this
>>>>> virus starts off with the
equivalent of "WE ARE
>>>>> ALL GOING TO DIE". But if you
bother to listen or
>>>>> read the article, it always has
"may" or "some
>>>>> experts". The current official incubation period
>>>>> is 2-14 days, but hey lets just
report 14 days
>>>>> and
>>>>> base all our models on this and
report it as the
>>>>> most likely scenario. We don't
know how long it
>>>>> lives on surfaces. We don't know
how it reacts to
>>>>> UV light. We don't know how it
will do in
>>>>> warm/humid conditions.
>>>>>
>>>>> My opinion (just as valid as
anyone else's),
>>>>> This
>>>>> virus has been in the states
before the first
>>>>> reported case. People have had
it and recovered
>>>>> thinking it was just the flu.
Not everyone
>>>>> exposed
>>>>> is going to get it. Not
everyone who gets it is
>>>>> going to need to be
hospitalized. Not everyone
>>>>> who gets hospitalized will die.
>>>>>
>>>>> The media once again is doing us
a huge
>>>>> dis-service. They are hyping this thing way out
>>>>> of proportion. Was at Wal-mart
yesterday. Every
>>>>> can of Lysol or Lysol type of
product was
>>>>> gone. Every package of disinfectant wipes were gone.
Every bottle
>>>>> of any sized hand sanitizer, gone. Crazy. The
closest reported
>>>>> "maybe" case is over
>>>>> 1300 miles away. God forbid we
get a reported
>>>>> case in Florida, what will
happen then? Going to
>>>>> start burning and looting?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
<mailto:m...@mailmt.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>>>>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com>
<http://www.Myakka.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------
>>>>>
>>>>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47
PM, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not a doctor. I don't even
play one on TV or
>>>>> any podcasts or blogs. I do pay
attention to as
>>>>> much scientifically-based
information I can find
>>>>> though.
>>>>> This is a pretty good synopsis
on our current
>>>>> knowledge without any spin:
>>>>>
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> bp
>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nazis are socialists. Bernie is
a socialist.
>>>>> Therefore Bernie is a Nazi. So the Internet says.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:*AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
>>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
>>>>> *Steve Jones
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 10,
2020 10:48 AM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group
>>>>> <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT
>>>>> stock)
>>>>>
>>>>> thats the secret, remember
russia shafted the
>>>>> nazis last time... russia is in
asia, so russians
>>>>> are asians. Taking them out of
the running
>>>>> too....
>>>>> Weve said too much
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM
Adam Moffett
>>>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nazis also hate Communists. It
all fits.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve
Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Im suprised that hasnt gotten
traction. This is
>>>>> obviously genetically designed
to target Asians.
>>>>> The proof is that 99% of
infections are asians.
>>>>> Obviously this is the resurgence
of the Nazi
>>>>> party
>>>>> trying to eliminate a majority
of the population
>>>>> so they can initiate another run
at global
>>>>> domination. My neighbors mom, Karen told me that
>>>>> her friend, carols husband Brad
told her that he
>>>>> heard that this is what brexit
was all about.
>>>>> Germany and Great Britian are
forming an alliance
>>>>> now. Its all hush hush, but
there is a shadow
>>>>> government of guess what... Nazis.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM
Adam Moffett
>>>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean.....Nazi's created
Coronavirus?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill
Prince wrote:
>>>>> > I'm waiting for Godwin...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > bp
>>>>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam
Moffett wrote:
>>>>> >> The thing driving me nuts
right now is that
>>>>> literally everything is a
>>>>> >> "conspiracy".
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Sometimes stuff happens,
nobody did it on
>>>>> purpose, and nobody has the
>>>>> >> whole picture of what
happened until more time
>>>>> passes. In the interim
>>>>> >> there's a lot of conflicting
information going
>>>>> around. People latch
>>>>> �� >> onto early bits of
information that turn
>>>>> out to
>>>>> be wrong and they
>>>>> >> won't let go of them.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Coronavirus was created by
the Chinese to
>>>>> distract press from Hong Kong
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Coronavirus was created by
the USA to defeat
>>>>> China in a trade war
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Coronavirus was created by
Budweiser to
>>>>> discredit Mexican Lager (I
>>>>> >> mean that one's obviously a
joke.....right?)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Coronavirus will kill us all
and we must all
>>>>> stock our survival bunkers.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> China is hiding all the
information about
>>>>> Coronavirus. Really? Or
>>>>> >> maybe they just don't have a
live real-time
>>>>> omniscient feed of all
>>>>> >> information so they're
reporting what they
>>>>> think is true at the time
>>>>> >> it's said, or maybe rumors on
Facebook aren't
>>>>> all true.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> See Hanlon's Razor and
Occam's Razor.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill
Prince wrote:
>>>>> >>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion
>>>>> off topic.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and
>>>>> only
>>>>> about a dozen actual
>>>>> >>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a
>>>>> big deal. Novel
>>>>> >>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious
>>>>> than
>>>>> SARS, but not
>>>>> >>> particularly deadly.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
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