Jaap Spies wrote:
> mabshoff wrote:
>> Hello folks,
>
> Now doing a fresh install on this machine.
>
On this fresh install first success, followed by the failure:
SAGE build/upgrade complete!
[j...@paix sage-3.4.2.rc0]$ ./sage -t
"devel/sage/sage/matrix/matrix_symbolic_dense.pyx"
sage -t
On May 1, 12:05 am, Jaap Spies wrote:
> Jaap Spies wrote:
> > mabshoff wrote:
> >> Hello folks,
>
> > Now doing a fresh install on this machine.
Hi Jaap,
> On this fresh install first success, followed by the failure:
>
> SAGE build/upgrade complete!
> [j...@paix sage-3.4.2.rc0]$ ./sage -t
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 6:53 AM, mabshoff wrote:
>
>
>
> On Apr 30, 10:19 pm, William Stein wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:15 PM, mabshoff wrote:
>
>
>
>> > I think figsize is meant as a scaling factor since otherwise there is
>> > no way you can exceed 2^15 as a limit of the png size :)
Three successful builds from scratch of 3.4.2.rc0 with all tests
passing (32-bit ubuntu, 32-bit Suse and 64-bit ubuntu).
John
2009/5/1 mabshoff :
>
>
>
> On May 1, 12:05 am, Jaap Spies wrote:
>> Jaap Spies wrote:
>> > mabshoff wrote:
>> >> Hello folks,
>>
>> > Now doing a fresh install on this
I very much like the self organizing feature of the graphs on the
applets
on this page
http://people.math.jussieu.fr/~keller/quivermutation/
Don't forget to check "Live Quiver".
It's like what GraphViz does but then in real time.
Regards,
Michel
--~--~-~--~~~---~-
mabshoff wrote:
>> g++ -O3 -g -fPIC -pipe -I. -I../kernel -I/usr/xpg4/include
>> -I/export/home/drkirkby/sage/sage-3.4.2.alpha0/local/include
>> -I/export/home/drkirkby/sage/sage-3.4.2.alpha0/local/include
>> -fno-implicit-templates -DNDEBUG -DOM_NDEBUG -DSunOS_5 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H
>> -DGENTABLE \
>
I have a couple of questions about the spkg files. I assume this is
documented somewhere, and I'm sure I've been told before, but I can't
find the posts.
1) In what order are the spgk files built? I assume there is a file
somewhere which has this.
2) I believe its possible to get Sage to believe
On May 1, 1:26 am, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote:
> mabshoff wrote:
\
> Hi,
>
> I removed ncurses and Singular did build. BUT, I am a bit puzzled, as
> even before doing this, it appeared the Sage build failed at some other
> point (forget which, but I'm not sure if it was before or after singular
On May 1, 1:29 am, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote:
> I have a couple of questions about the spkg files. I assume this is
> documented somewhere, and I'm sure I've been told before, but I can't
> find the posts.
>
> 1) In what order are the spgk files built? I assume there is a file
> somewhere which
Somewhat confused by the way Sage appeared to have failed at two
different points before, I decided to delete all the sage directory
and start again. This time, the Solaris tool chain had the right paths
in before I started.
So the process on my Sun Blade 2000, with Solaris 10 update 6, was
basic
On May 1, 9:40 am, mabshoff wrote:
> On May 1, 1:29 am, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote:
>
> > I have a couple of questions about the spkg files. I assume this is
> > documented somewhere, and I'm sure I've been told before, but I can't
> > find the posts.
>
> > 1) In what order are the spgk files buil
On May 1, 1:53 am, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote:
> Somewhat confused by the way Sage appeared to have failed at two
> different points before, I decided to delete all the sage directory
> and start again. This time, the Solaris tool chain had the right paths
> in before I started.
> clisp fails
On May 1, 12:13 am, mabshoff wrote:
> On May 1, 12:05 am, Jaap Spies wrote:
> > SAGE build/upgrade complete!
> > [j...@paix sage-3.4.2.rc0]$ ./sage -t
> > "devel/sage/sage/matrix/matrix_symbolic_dense.pyx"
> > sage -t "devel/sage/sage/matrix/matrix_symbolic_dense.pyx"
> > [125.6
Marshall Hampton wrote:
>> I too have founds bugs by reading code that I've written - usually,
>> very
>> early on in the development process. Note that I'm talking in the
>> context
>> of result verification, however. That is, when I publish a paper
>> that
>> depends on computations, it is inc
mabshoff wrote:
> Any clisp release I ever tried to build on Sparc is basically broken
> with anything later than gcc 3.2.3. There was a thread on clisp-devel
> about this and it boils down to tthe following:
>
> * the clisp people know which file miscompiles
> * the file is *huge*, ergo the g
On May 1, 2:36 am, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote:
> mabshoff wrote:
> > Any clisp release I ever tried to build on Sparc is basically broken
> > with anything later than gcc 3.2.3. There was a thread on clisp-devel
> > about this and it boils down to tthe following:
>
> > * the clisp people know wh
For the record, I'm also getting this on an older laptop running
32-bit arch linux.
Alex
> Ahhh, I jinxed myself. On a 32 bit FC10 box:
>
> sage -t -long "devel/sage/sage/matrix/
> matrix_symbolic_dense.pyx"
> Total time for all tests: 11440.3 seconds
> [mabsh...@cicero sage-3.4.
Clean build on 64-bit Fedora 10 (Opteron) fails one doctest:
sage -t "devel/sage/sage/sets/primes.py"
**
File "/opt/sage/sage-3.4.2.rc0/devel/sage/sage/sets/primes.py", line
80:
sage: P>x^2+x
Expected:
True
Got:
Fals
On May 1, 6:54 am, Kiran Kedlaya wrote:
> Clean build on 64-bit Fedora 10 (Opteron) fails one doctest:
Hi Kiran,
> sage -t "devel/sage/sage/sets/primes.py"
> **
> File "/opt/sage/sage-3.4.2.rc0/devel/sage/sage/sets/primes.py
On May 1, 5:25 am, Alex Ghitza wrote:
> For the record, I'm also getting this on an older laptop running
> 32-bit arch linux.
Thanks, I have seen this no on Linux for x86, x86-64 as well as
Itanium, so we ought to get a handle on this today. It is now #5957.
> Alex
Cheers,
Michael
--~--~---
> > sage: P>x^2+x
> > Expected:
> > True
> > Got:
> > False
Yes, I just added that test to show that Primes() has comparison. I
was a little surprised to see the result, but it passed testing, so...
If someone posts a ticket with a suggested fix that makes Primes()
greater than ever
On May 1, 7:38 am, kcrisman wrote:
> > > sage: P>x^2+x
> > > Expected:
> > > True
> > > Got:
> > > False
>
> Yes, I just added that test to show that Primes() has comparison. I
> was a little surprised to see the result, but it passed testing, so...
>
> If someone posts a ticket wi
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 7:45 AM, mabshoff wrote:
>
>
>
> On May 1, 7:38 am, kcrisman wrote:
>> > > sage: P>x^2+x
>> > > Expected:
>> > > True
>> > > Got:
>> > > False
>>
>> Yes, I just added that test to show that Primes() has comparison. I
>> was a little surprised to see the result
mabshoff wrote:
>
>
> On May 1, 7:38 am, kcrisman wrote:
sage: P>x^2+x
Expected:
True
Got:
False
>> Yes, I just added that test to show that Primes() has comparison. I
>> was a little surprised to see the result, but it passed testing, so...
>>
>> If someon
> You should change the doctest to
>
> sage: P != x^2 + x
> True
>
> The comparison is completely arbitrary and will be machine specific.
> However equality or not is not arbitrary.
>
> > sage: cmp(SR(3), x) in [-1,1]
> > True
>
Okay, those both seem like reasonable suggestions - patch is up wit
On Apr 30, 8:15 am, William Stein wrote:
>
>
> >
> > I would be quite interested in seeing a defense of this idea, because,
> > to me, it seems like quite a bad notion.
>
> > Replacing Maxima (which is [being treated as..] free/open) with
> > another [free/open] package, yet to be written,
The argument (specious, probably) is that if the compiler is open-
source
as well as the library, the operating system code etc, then an
industrious person
could try to verify all this.
It is often said that "Testing can only demonstrate the presence of a
bug, not its absence".
BUT
I think it
Hello Rado!
Very nice editor! :-)
I was thinking of maybe being able to export to another format to be
able to get drawings as well. A LaTeX package for drawing graphs that
I like very much is tkz-graph,
http://altermundus.com/pages/graph.html
which is built on top of TikZ.
I was playing arou
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:17 PM, rjf wrote:
> Few people have a deep background (e.g. graduate level math) and are
> also well educated in computer science. I'm not sure what the reasons
> are, but it is true generally of graduate students (in math) at
> Berkeley. Few graduate students in comp
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 8:17 AM, rjf wrote:
>
>
>
> On Apr 30, 8:15 am, William Stein wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I would be quite interested in seeing a defense of this idea, because,
>> > to me, it seems like quite a bad notion.
>>
>> > Replacing Maxima (which is [being treated as..] free/open)
Hi Nick,
For information:
zephyr-/opt/sage>sage -f sage-mode-0.5.4.spkg
Force installing sage-mode-0.5.4.spkg
...
Attempting to download it.
http://www.sagemath.org//packages/optional/sage-mode-0.5.4.spkg -->
sage-mode-0.5.4.spkg
[ ]
http://www.sagemath.org//packages/standard/sage-mode-
Personally, I think it is important to have access to source code. I
do in fact read the source code of Sage (and many other projects)
often. However, many people with whom I speak (user's of Matlab and
Mathematica) don't feel this is important. Their logic goes something
like this...
"I have
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Brian Granger wrote:
>
> Personally, I think it is important to have access to source code. I
> do in fact read the source code of Sage (and many other projects)
> often. However, many people with whom I speak (user's of Matlab and
> Mathematica) don't feel this
On May 1, 9:38 am, Fidel wrote:
> I was thinking of maybe being able to export to another format to be
> able to get drawings as well. A LaTeX package for drawing graphs that
> I like very much is tkz-graph,
Hi Fidel,
Thanks for the information on all of this - those examples are very
nice.
Ra
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Brian Granger wrote:
>
> Personally, I think it is important to have access to source code. I
> do in fact read the source code of Sage (and many other projects)
> often. However, many people with whom I speak (user's of Matlab and
> Mathematica) don't feel this
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Ondrej Certik wrote:
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Brian Granger
> wrote:
>>
>> Personally, I think it is important to have access to source code. I
>> do in fact read the source code of Sage (and many other projects)
>> often. However, many people with
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 11:22 AM, William Stein wrote:
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Ondrej Certik wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Brian Granger
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Personally, I think it is important to have access to source code. I
>>> do in fact read the source code of Sa
On May 1, 2009, at 8:15 AM, kcrisman wrote:
>> In the future of python, things that don't have a sensible order
>> throw a TypeError when comparing:
>> http://docs.python.org/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html#ordering-comparisons
>> Why don't we just throw an error?
>
> As for throwing an error, probably t
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Robert Bradshaw
wrote:
>
> On May 1, 2009, at 8:15 AM, kcrisman wrote:
>
>>> In the future of python, things that don't have a sensible order
>>> throw a TypeError when comparing:
>>> http://docs.python.org/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html#ordering-comparisons
>>> Why don't
All tests passed on my intel macbook running 10.5.
-M. Hampton
On Apr 30, 7:23 am, mabshoff wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> here goes 3.4.2.rc0 - a little later than planned, but it seems like
> we fixed all the issues (and more) that needed to be fixed. We finally
> merged the symbolic logic code wr
There's a lovely little article in the February 2009 issue
of the monthly on using integrals to approximate pi. The
author "discovers" some nice rational approximations of pi
by systmeatically searching through integrals of the
form
integrate(
(x^m * (1 - x)^n * (a + b*x + c*x^2))/(1 + x^2),
Hello Robert,
> 1) Do you have any priorities for features you'd like to see sooner
> rather than later?
>
> 2) What would be *your* preferred syntax for declaring a templated,
> operator-overloading class in C++?
I just wanted to mention, how easily C++ classes could be wrapped
using boost::pyt
Hi Nicolas,
As far as I know, sage-mode is only available from the wiki right now.
I downloaded the spkg locally from http://wiki.sagemath.org/sage-mode
and now use it every time I upgrade my sage installation, by typing
sage -f ~/Downloads/sage-mode-0.5.4.spkg
(i.e. note that I need to give i
The discussion has wandered off topic, but it seems to me that it is
true that
"You Usually Do Not to Know about Internals". Otherwise you would not
be able
to use a computer or for that matter, drive a car.
I do not find it insulting at all.
If Wolfram said that he didn't show internal code be
On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 10:51:57AM -0700, Rob Beezer wrote:
>
> On May 1, 9:38 am, Fidel wrote:
> > I was thinking of maybe being able to export to another format to be
> > able to get drawings as well. A LaTeX package for drawing graphs that
> > I like very much is tkz-graph,
>
> Hi Fidel,
>
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 04:24:31PM -0700, mabshoff wrote:
> > > But please: *keep me updated about any such change as soon as
> > > possible* so as to limit conflicts. Every late conflict resolution
> > > just delays even further the final merge.
> >
> > Seehttp://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticke
On May 1, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote:
> On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 12:31:40PM -0700, William Stein wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Robert Bradshaw
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On May 1, 2009, at 8:15 AM, kcrisman wrote:
>>>
> In the future of python, things that don't have a s
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 04:12:00PM -0700, mabshoff wrote:
> On Apr 25, 8:39 am, "Nicolas M. Thiery"
> > Before posting the patch to trac, I'll split it up into:
> >
> > - patch with all trivial import updates (the most invasive one)
> > - main patch with the category framework (with updates to
On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 12:31:40PM -0700, William Stein wrote:
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Robert Bradshaw
> wrote:
> >
> > On May 1, 2009, at 8:15 AM, kcrisman wrote:
> >
> >>> In the future of python, things that don't have a sensible order
> >>> throw a TypeError when comparing:
> >>
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 3:11 PM, rjf wrote:
> If Wolfram said that he didn't show internal code because you were too
> stupid to do anything with it, that might be insulting.
> Even if it were true for the generic "you", it would be insulting for
> some people.
>
> If he said that he didn't show i
Hello all,
I've noticed that the function find_minimum_on_interval makes no attempt to
find "the" minimum on the interval as the documentation implies, but rather
"a local" minimum. I imagine this may be a source of confusion for other
new users as well. Rather than treating this as a bug, may I
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Thomas Savitsky wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've noticed that the function find_minimum_on_interval makes no attempt to
> find "the" minimum on the interval as the documentation implies, but rather
> "a local" minimum. I imagine this may be a source of confusion for o
On May 1, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Thomas Savitsky wrote:
> I looked into global optimizers, and scipy's anneal is not the
> answer. It gives poor results quite often. A better choice would
> be ASA, located at http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~ingber/#ASA
> Unfortunately, there are functions which g
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Tim Lahey wrote:
>
>
> On May 1, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Thomas Savitsky wrote:
>
>> I looked into global optimizers, and scipy's anneal is not the
>> answer. It gives poor results quite often. A better choice would
>> be ASA, located at http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~ing
On May 1, 10:07 am, William Stein wrote:
>
> The short summary of the dozens of pages I've shown you before is:
>
> * support for building lisp is poor
This is an issue only because you insist that programs used in sage
must be of the form that
everyone needs to be able to build each compo
I thought some people on sage-devel might like a
very quick view of some highlights of the conference
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~kaltofen/NSF_WS_ECCAD09_Itinerary.html
I think further details will appear on the webpage later.
This is very incomplete - just a few thought I was able to
jot down correctly
On Apr 30, 2009, at 22:13 , Justin C. Walker wrote:
>
> Hi, Michael,
>
> On Apr 30, 2009, at 05:23 , mabshoff wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello folks,
>>
>> here goes 3.4.2.rc0 - a little later than planned, but it seems like
>> we fixed all the issues (and more) that needed to be fixed. We
>> finally
>> m
Dear Sage developers,
I tried to build Sage-3.4 on my intel macbook (Mac OS X 10.4.11). I
have Xcode 2.5 installed and gcc-4.0.1. I downloaded the sage-3.4.tar,
untarred it and ran make. I have macports installed so changed the PATH
to remove anything from /opt. I also renamed /opt to somethin
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 8:05 PM, William Stein wrote:
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Thomas Savitsky wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I've noticed that the function find_minimum_on_interval makes no attempt to
> > find "the" minimum on the interval as the documentation implies, but rather
> > "
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Thomas Savitsky wrote:
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 8:05 PM, William Stein wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Thomas Savitsky wrote:
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > I've noticed that the function find_minimum_on_interval makes no attempt to
>> > find "the" mini
On May 1, 7:32 pm, Prabhu Ramachandran wrote:
> Dear Sage developers,
Hi Prabhu,
> I tried to build Sage-3.4 on my intel macbook (Mac OS X 10.4.11). I
> have Xcode 2.5 installed and gcc-4.0.1. I downloaded the sage-3.4.tar,
> untarred it and ran make. I have macports installed so changed the
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