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Adrian von Bidder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 10 January 2006 03:44, Miles Bader wrote:
>> Juergen Salk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > According to their package descriptions, we seem to have exactly
>> > six powerful text editors in Debian. These are elvis, jove,
>> > mined, ne, ned
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:24:47PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote:
>> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > Historically such
>> > problems were unpleasantly frequent on buildds due to a combination of
>> > buggy
>> > postrm scripts, and a bug in
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 10:15:58PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> These are all necessary, and debconf is an essential package which is
> not subject to the circular dependency postinst ordering problems afaik.
> [...]
> The bug report for these does not give any concrete reasons why a
> circular depend
Thomas Bushnell writes:
> No, I think it's because Ubuntu doesn't cooperate well with Debian,
> while pretending to cooperate.
Does Debian want to cooperate with Ubuntu, and how well does Debian
do? What steps could Ubuntu and Debian reasonably take to improve
cooperation?
Jan.
--
Jan Nieuwen
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2006 à 10:10 +0100, Henning Glawe a écrit :
> a) explicitely forbid circular dependencies in policy
At the very least, I think they should be treated like pre-depends, with
a request on this list being mandatory before adding a circular
dependency. Until now, all circular de
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:15:35AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mercredi 11 janvier 2006 à 10:10 +0100, Henning Glawe a écrit :
> > a) explicitely forbid circular dependencies in policy
>
> At the very least, I think they should be treated like pre-depends, with
> a request on this list bei
Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 02:37:53PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote:
>
>>Matthijs Mohlmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>>I don't know where to send this else, so forgive me if this is the wrong
>>>mailinglist.
>
>
>>>See:
>>>http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=pdns&ver
On 1/11/06, Jan Nieuwenhuizen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thomas Bushnell writes:
>
> > No, I think it's because Ubuntu doesn't cooperate well with Debian,
> > while pretending to cooperate.
>
> Does Debian want to cooperate with Ubuntu, and how well does Debian
> do? What steps could Ubuntu and
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 10:25 +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
Thomas Bushnell writes:
> No, I think it's because Ubuntu doesn't cooperate well with Debian,
> while pretending to cooperate.
Could you be more explicit? I know there has been concern about Ubuntu amongst debian d
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 10:49 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > Dishonesty is *not* an equivalent substitute for respect. If you're
> > > being nice to somebody even though you don't like them, that doesn't
> > > make you a better person,
Other than 48 D8915
monitors that I have in stock...any other Hp or SUN 21" monitors needed
?
Please
reply.
Thanks,
Roger
Nova
Star
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run
> smoother and less violently.
I'm pretty sure that people who always take the path of least
resistance are *precisely* how the world got so fucked up in the first
place.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:44:28PM +0100, jeremiah foster wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 10:25 +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
>
> > Thomas Bushnell writes:
> >
> > > No, I think it's because Ubuntu doesn't cooperate well with Debian,
> > > while pretending to cooperate.
>
>
> Could you be mor
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:07:43AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> On 1/10/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:22:03AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> > > I don't[sic] the same rant over others Debian related companies
> >
> > Have you ever actually subscribe
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 15:41 +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run
> > smoother and less violently.
>
> I'm pretty sure that people who always take the path of least
> resistanc
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:49:25AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 15:41 +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run
> > > smoother and less violently.
> >
> >
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Hi,
Could Policy be amended slightly to explicitly permit library source
packages to create a -headers package containing include files?
I am thinking that something like the following could
On 1/11/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:07:43AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> > On 1/10/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:22:03AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> > > > I don't[sic] the same rant over others De
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:56:35PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> On 1/11/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:07:43AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> > > On 1/10/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:22:03AM -0200,
Hi,
After the actual error I got with apachetop:
debian:~# apachetop -f /var/log/apache/access.log
*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0xb7da08c8 ***
Aborted
I want to learn how to debug and see what went wrong. How can I learn to debug
this kind of things or how can I enable some deb
On 1/11/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:56:35PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> > On 1/11/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:07:43AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> > > > On 1/10/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTE
On Monday 09 January 2006 19:20, Bill Allombert wrote:
> Here the lists of packages involved in circular dependencies listed by
> maintainers.
Just wondering why this wasn't mentioned yet: aren't circular dependencies
causing more work for RM's, too, because the testing migration script can't
h
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:44:28PM +0100, jeremiah foster wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 10:25 +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
>
> > Thomas Bushnell writes:
> >
> > > No, I think it's because Ubuntu doesn't cooperate well with Debian,
> > > while pretending to cooperate.
>
> Could you be more e
* Alejandro Bonilla:
> I want to learn how to debug and see what went wrong. How can I
> learn to debug this kind of things or how can I enable some
> debugging for this kind of things?
valgrind is quite helpful for debugging such problems related to
memory-management. You could also have a look
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Let me know if interested or who I might speak to?
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Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Juha Jäykkä <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>> * Interoperate with ssh-krb5 << 3.8.1p1-1 servers, which used a
>>> slightly
>>> different version of the gssapi authentication method (thanks, Aaron
>>> M. Ucko; closes: #328388).
>
>> Perhaps thi
Hi,
* Alejandro Bonilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-11 19:03]:
> After the actual error I got with apachetop:
> debian:~# apachetop -f /var/log/apache/access.log
> *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0xb7da08c8 ***
> Aborted
>
> I want to learn how to debug and see what went wrong. Ho
also sprach Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.01.11.1644 +0100]:
> > Could you be more explicit? I know there has been concern about Ubuntu
> > amongst debian developers, and that Mark Shuttleworth has some doubts
> > about working with DCC, although he is rather vague in my opinion. But
>
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Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 16:48 +0100, martin f krafft escreveu:
> What would you like to see?
I think submitting bugs and patches to the BTS would already be enough.
daniel
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On Jan 11, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How do you think Canonical could *better* work with Debian, ignoring
> whether they meet up to their promises at the moment or not.
E.g. when I repeatedly say "I'd like to receive any change you make to
my packages, in any form you find conve
On 1/11/06, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 11, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > How do you think Canonical could *better* work with Debian, ignoring
> > whether they meet up to their promises at the moment or not.
> E.g. when I repeatedly say "I'd like to receive a
On Jan 11, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > E.g. when I repeatedly say "I'd like to receive any change you make to
> > my packages, in any form you find convenient" they could actually do
> > it... I'm tired of begging for patches.
> http://utnubu.alioth.debian.org/scottish/by_maint/[
On 1/11/06, Daniel Ruoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 16:48 +0100, martin f krafft escreveu:
> > What would you like to see?
>
> I think submitting bugs and patches to the BTS would already be enough.
>
It was already discussed[0], and there's no consensus on this idea of
"ev
On 1/11/06, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 11, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > E.g. when I repeatedly say "I'd like to receive any change you make to
> > > my packages, in any form you find convenient" they could actually do
> > > it... I'm tired of begging for p
On Jan 11, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You said *in any form you find convenient* but which one do you
> prefer: bug reports through Debian BTS, just email, ... ? Please, read
> my reply to Daniel's message.
Uploading the diffs on a web server is nice, but it's not much more
differ
On 1/11/06, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 11, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > You said *in any form you find convenient* but which one do you
> > prefer: bug reports through Debian BTS, just email, ... ? Please, read
> > my reply to Daniel's message.
> Uploading t
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 10:15:58PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> Bill Allombert wrote:
> > Here the lists of packages involved in circular dependencies listed by
> > maintainers.
>
> > Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > debconf
> > debconf-english
> > debconf-i18n
>
> These are all necessa
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:10:51AM -0600, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> After the actual error I got with apachetop:
> debian:~# apachetop -f /var/log/apache/access.log
> *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0xb7da08c8 ***
> Aborted
>
> I want to learn how to debug and see what went wrong
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Frank Küster wrote:
> > So vim is in the simple, for newbies class?
>
> No, there's actually three classes: "Simple editors for newbies",
> "not-so-simple but, er, powerful editors", and "religions".
ae is the religion variety.
Jan Nieuwenhuizen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thomas Bushnell writes:
>
>> No, I think it's because Ubuntu doesn't cooperate well with Debian,
>> while pretending to cooperate.
>
> Does Debian want to cooperate with Ubuntu, and how well does Debian
> do? What steps could Ubuntu and Debian reaso
Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It was already discussed[0], and there's no consensus on this idea of
> "every Ubuntu changeset, a patch in Debian BTS" between DDs.
Right. I want Ubuntu to exercise judgment, and not just give a big
pile of patches, some of which are Debian-relevant
Benjamin Seidenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Oh, it gets even better. The fun part is that the one who wants to
> receive the list may not be the one who actually transmits the signal
> (and hence would be at fault). That'd be the transmitting station. for
> those who are having trouble follo
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:25:01PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> On 1/11/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:56:35PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> > > On 1/11/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:07:43AM -0200,
Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 14:36 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG escreveu:
> Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > It was already discussed[0], and there's no consensus on this idea of
> > "every Ubuntu changeset, a patch in Debian BTS" between DDs.
> Right. I want Ubuntu to exercise judgment, and
Let's take this one apart and see what it is that pisses people off so
much.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:57:35AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> There are still rather intense emotional responses to Ubuntu within the
> Debian community, as evidenced in this thread and others.
First a dismissal of d
Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 19:54 -0300, Daniel Ruoso escreveu:
> Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 14:36 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG escreveu:
> > Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > It was already discussed[0], and there's no consensus on this idea of
> > > "every Ubuntu changeset, a patch in Debian BT
Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> FWIW, there's no such restriction in the Australian regulations,
> as far as I can see.
I concur, that's generally correct. The ACA has relaxed the profane
language requirements somewhat since they were tested in court (by a
commercial broadcast radio operator) some time b
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:34:31PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Ubuntu could report in the BTS all the bugs it finds, and submit patches
> via the BTS.
As you know, most bugs are reported by users, not discovered by developers
We direct users to report those bugs to us, rather than Debian,
On Thursday 12 January 2006 00:09, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> Let's take this one apart and see what it is that pisses people off so
> much.
What pisses me off is ppl keeping this thread alive without adding new
arguments with as their main goal to widen the gap that is definitely
there, but is al
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 07:54:10PM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
> This is exactly the point, what can I do with a patch if I don't know
> why it's there? Which problem is it trying to address (I know, I can
> read the patch and guess, but WTF), and why such solution was adopted...
> Everytime I submi
Ron Johnson wrote:
> With beliefs like that, no wonder this world is going to hell in a
> hand basket.
>
> Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run
> smoother and less violently.
I'd have thought the most polite action in the scenario you present is
to acknowledge that othe
On 1/11/06, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> No, I think it's because Ubuntu doesn't cooperate well with Debian,
> >> while pretending to cooperate.
> >
> > Does Debian want to cooperate with Ubuntu, and how well does Debian
> > do? What steps could Ubuntu and Debian reasonably
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> Let's take this one apart and see what it is that pisses people off so
> much.
Hello, Andrew.
I don't intend to participate in this type of email argument with you; I've
yet to see it pay off for anyone involved. However, I will
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 10:30 +1100, Terry Dawson wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> > With beliefs like that, no wonder this world is going to hell in a
> > hand basket.
> >
> > Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run
> > smoother and less violently.
>
> I'd have thought the m
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:15:35AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mercredi 11 janvier 2006 à 10:10 +0100, Henning Glawe a écrit :
> > a) explicitely forbid circular dependencies in policy
>
> At the very least, I think they should be treated like pre-depends, with
> a request on this list bei
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 05:48:22PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> On 1/11/06, Daniel Ruoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 16:48 +0100, martin f krafft escreveu:
> > > What would you like to see?
> > I think submitting bugs and patches to the BTS would already be enough.
> It
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 02:04:45PM +0100, Adeodato Sim?? wrote:
> * Matthew Garrett [Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:50:56 +]:
>
> > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > i've thought for a long time about how to reply to your message.
>
> > Let's quickly outline what's happened h
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:29:12AM +0100, Dirk Mueller wrote:
> Relax, nobody is being pissed. You just have to realize that if you tell
> person A about a problem, person B doesn't magically get notified about it.
> This is not different than in other situations in real life.
heya dirk,
t
On Wednesday 11 January 2006 21:51, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> that's why one of my recommendations was to consider putting, into
> certain key very popular packages, a means to either transfer the bug
> to upstream (via some mad notional XMLeey are pee cee-ey common API) or
> to sim
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:48:21 +0100, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> What would you like to see?
What would I *like* to see? Well, that they treat me like I
treat my upstreams; I triage bug reports, I keep feature specific
patches separate, I submit these feature requests t
Frans Pop wrote:
> My observations:
> - almost all development effort that may help narrow the gap is done on
> the Ubuntu side, not on the Debian side;
I'm sorry, but I've spent quite a lot of time digging usefull things out
of the dross in Ubuntu patchsets (to the point of exhaustion and extre
Daniel Ruoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 14:36 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG escreveu:
>> Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > It was already discussed[0], and there's no consensus on this idea of
>> > "every Ubuntu changeset, a patch in Debian BTS" between DDs.
>>
For what it's worth, I largely agree with Andrew. Please, show some fire
and some honesty or STFU.
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Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:34:31PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
>> Ubuntu could report in the BTS all the bugs it finds, and submit patches
>> via the BTS.
>
> As you know, most bugs are reported by users, not discovered by developers
> We direct u
Reinhard Tartler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 1/11/06, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> No, I think it's because Ubuntu doesn't cooperate well with Debian,
>> >> while pretending to cooperate.
>> >
>> > Does Debian want to cooperate with Ubuntu, and how well does Debian
>>
Gustavo Franco wrote:
> I agree with "similar things being said" but i'm yet to hear about the
> lack of collaboration and give Debian something back. For example: I
> don't remember too much people caring about PGI (Progeny) and after
> that anaconda "port" to say that they weren't contributing th
Bill Allombert wrote:
> Is it a request I report one ? I will if you want.
Shrug, I can ignore useless bug reports and/or orphan packages when
things get too annoying with the best of them.
(Hmm, didn't I already do that?)
> I cannot point you exactly why _this_ circular dependency is going to
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 06:09:25PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > As you know, most bugs are reported by users, not discovered by developers
> > We direct users to report those bugs to us, rather than Debian, for obvious
> > reasons.
>
> Really?
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:09PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run
> > smoother and less violently.
> I'm pretty sure that people who always take the path of least
> resis
Quoting Matt Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I don't intend to participate in this type of email argument with you; I've
> yet to see it pay off for anyone involved. However, I will be in London
> later this month and would be willing to use that opportunity to civilly
> discuss your concerns fa
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 02:00 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:09PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run
> > > smoother and less violently.
> > I'm
Ok - I'm going to reply to the first post i found on this whole - thing, so
apologies if it shows up
in some weird place in threaded view.
Basically the way I see it isnt the fact that ubuntu isn't giving back to
debian - or debian isn't
willing to have the stuff from ubuntu. The way i see it is
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