Understood. Thats why I read it.
A great many people who want to use SDCC would prefer to use it in an
IDE. Thats certainly my desire, and that seems to be a valid issue.
Besides I was not the one to introduce the idea to this group, I was
merely replying to a recommendation under the topic of 'documentation &
open source generally'.
Once again I get the message that as a user, I have no standing and no
credibility, which is fine by me. I've known that for some time really,
so I'll just pick up my marbles and go home.
Please disregard everything I said, and please don't apologize for
running me off. I can assure you that I achieved my objective which was
to see whether I had been mistaken in my assessment of the attitudes of
the people involved in development of opensource software.
Cheerio.
Bobby
Richard Erlacher wrote:
Bobby,
I'd remind you that they (the CodeBlocks guys) have their own
discussion forum, and that's probably where you should take these
issues. The folks who read this forum generally want to focus on
SDCC, and, while CodeBlocks may, ultimately, serve their interests,
it's not the primary purpose of THIS list.
I personally think it's OK to gripe about such things, since, if
nobody complains, everybody thinks it's "kewl", which seldom is the
case. However, THIS is not the place to gripe about THAT product.
regards,
Richard Erlacher
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Bobby Garner <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* sdcc-user@lists.sourceforge.net
<mailto:sdcc-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
*Sent:* Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:45 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Sdcc-user] documentation & open source generally
I just installed the current release of C::B v8.02. It does
include a manual which appears to be well designed. As I want to
start a new project, I find under "CodeBlocks Project Management",
this encouraging statement: "CodeBlocks offers a very flexible and
comprehensive project management. The following text will address
only some of the features of the project management." "Only some"?
If the author knows of other features, why does he not at least
list them, and fill in the detail later?
Already there is a shadow of doubt creeping in. But proceeding to
the next page, it says: "The easiest way to create a new project
is executing the command 'File' /'Project' and selecting a
wizard". Unfortunately, there is no 'Project' option on the file
menu. There are only 'Recent Project' and 'Import Project' both of
which require an existing project. This is supposed to help me
start a new project, one which has no preexistence?
Going back to the Startup Page, there is a 'Create a new project'
option which brings up a dialog displaying a group of wizards
including an 'Empty project'. No SDCC project, and only one
embedded microcontroller project wizard for an AVR. Should I begin
with the blank sheet, or start an AVR and modify it for my 8051
derivative?
Going back to the manual, an index tab search for 'template'
offers two topics, Codesnippets and Source Code Exporter. Neither
of these look right. Back on the contents tab under C::B Project
Management, there is a page titled 'Project Template'. It contains
this paragraph:
"CodeBlocks is supplied with a variety of project templates which
are displayed when creating a new project. However, it is also
possible to store custom templates for collecting your own
specifications for compiler switches, the optimisation to be used,
machine-specific switches etc. in templates. These templates will
be stored in the Documents and Settings\/</user/>/\Application
Data\codeblocks\UserTemplates directory. If the templates are to
be open to all users, they have to be copied to a corresponding
directory of the CodeBlocks installation. These templates will
then be displayed at the next startup of CodeBlocks under 'New' /'
Project' /'User templates'."
So thats where they moved the 'Project' menu item! Except there is
no menu called 'New', and I wouldn't expect there to be. There is
a File/New/Project... however, which produces the dialog with the
Wizards.
I need a rest break before attempting to work through one of these
wizards. I just wanted to offer this actual experience for
whatever it may be worth to anyone considering a new manual for
SDCC, because this is pretty typical of my own experience with
open source help systems. As Richard Erlacher has pointed out,
there is the appearance that the documentation author was unable
to read the code, misread the code, Or the coder changed the code
without communicating that fact to the documentation author.
The experience of others may vary, and so far there is no reason
to suspect that Code::Blocks doesn't work as advertised, and if it
doesn't, the fault would surely not lie with the program. And the
documentation is probably right too, somewhere and/or sometime.
Maybe I just misread the advertisement.
Bobby
JBarbosa wrote:
Below is a link to the Code::Blocks site and some chunks of text
from the opening page.
I 'm working exclusively with Windows.
SDCC is called by means of a .bat file containing the command lines,
C::B allows us to set a tool to invoke that .bat and 'voila'!
If your PC has more than one core, they are used,
The site gives access to several foruns, one of them is dedicated
to the 'nightly builds' that allows us to update C::B every
day, simply by downloading it and extract the files straight to
the C::B directory and thats all.
http://www.codeblocks.org/
http://wiki.codeblocks.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
"The open source, cross platform, free C++ IDE."
* Windows 2000 / XP / Vista
* Linux (Ubuntu & Debian, 32 & 64 bits)
* Mac OS X 10.4+
Supported compilers
* GNU GCC (incl. G77) <http://gcc.gnu.org/> (Linux)
* MinGW GCC (incl. G77) <http://www.mingw.org/> (Win32)
* MSP430 GCC <http://mspgcc.sourceforge.net/> (Win32, Linux,
BSD)
* TriCore GCC <http://www.hightec-rt.com/> (Win32, Linux)
* PowerPC GCC <http://www.hightec-rt.com/> (Win32, Linux)
* Apple GCC (Xcode) <http://developer.apple.com/tools/> (Mac
OS X)
* Microsoft Visual C++ Toolkit 2003
<http://xona.com/2004/06/29.html> (Win32)
* Microsoft Visual C++ 2005
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/visualc/download/>
(Win32)
* Borland's C++ Compiler 5.5
<http://www.borland.com/products/downloads/download_cbuilder.html>
(Win32)
* DigitalMars C/C++ <http://www.digitalmars.com/> (Win32)
* OpenWatcom <http://openwatcom.org/index.php/Main_Page> (Win32)
* Intel C++ compiler
<http://www.intel.com/cd/software/products/asmo-na/eng/compilers/219754.htm>
(Win32)
* Small Device C Compiler (SDCC) <http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/>
* Digital Mars D
<http://www.digitalmars.com/d/dcompiler.html> (Win32, Linux)
* GDC D Compiler <http://dgcc.sourceforge.net/>
Regards
Jose Barbosa
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