I'm pretty sure I was banned from posting there. On 29 June, 00:51, Robert Miller <r...@rlmiller.org> wrote: > sage-flame? > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Bill Hart <goodwillh...@googlemail.com> > wrote: > > Then I don't understand. What do you mean by free? I don't see how > > anything at all about Springer exemplifies even a beginning of an > > understanding. They are to me the archetypal proprietary publisher... > > > To contrast them to Packt.... well, OK, I can download your Springer > > book without paying for it. I suppose it is conceivable Packt wouldn't > > allow this, if asked. > > > On one point, I will agree with you. Packt are not a mathematical > > publisher, They focus on IT only. Springer is a specialist in > > mathematical publishing. No doubt they also have a *lot* more money to > > advertise your book than Packt. > > > Bill. > > > On 29 June, 00:37, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Bill Hart <goodwillh...@googlemail.com> > >> wrote: > > >> > On 28 June, 22:21, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Bill Hart > >> >> <goodwillh...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> >> > I don't think it is a click-through. > > >> >> > I think this publisher is for real and actually does quite a good job. > > >> >> > Apart from the fact that the cover illustrations have nothing at all > >> >> > to do with the content, their books seem well-written. They publish a > >> >> > lot of titles and they offer them much cheaper if you buy them as E- > >> >> > books. They ship lots of places if you want a physical copy. They also > >> >> > offer a single chapter from each book for evaluation before you > >> >> > purchase. > > >> >> > They also do seem to add value to the publication after the author is > >> >> > done with it. > > >> >> > It is definitely publication on a budget, but their prices seem to > >> >> > reflect that, and Sage does seem to be something they would definitely > >> >> > want to publish a book on. If I was an expert Sage user, had more > >> >> > time, etc, etc. I'd definitely take this seriously. > > >> >> I definitely would not. In my opinion, the are only two reasonable > >> >> options for publishing Sage-related books: > > >> >> 1. Use an open license and self publish through, e.g., Lulu. The > >> >> Sage community can do the hard editing work better than most > >> >> publishers. (Here's I'm talking mainly about Minh Nguyen.) I think > >> >> you'll earn as much money as you would get from Packt, but you get > >> >> 100% of the profits instead of 18%, so end buyers pay far less (and > >> >> get more -- due to the open license). > > >> >> 2. Publish with a very high quality reputable publisher, e.g., > >> >> Springer, O'Reilly, AMS, Cambridge, Oxford. They understand the math > >> >> world and can advertise. And they also are starting to understand > >> >> "freeness".... Case in point: http://wstein.org/ent/ > > >> > Come on William, how can you possibly hold Springer up as the model of > >> > "openness". Where is the tex file? Where is the OSI license text? > >> I wrote: 'And they also are starting to understand "freeness"....'. > > >> This is dramatically different than what you implied I wrote. > > >> William > > >> -- > >> William Stein > >> Professor of Mathematics > >> University of Washingtonhttp://wstein.org > > > -- > > To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > > sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel > > URL:http://www.sagemath.org > > -- > Robert L. Millerhttp://www.rlmiller.org/
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