William Stein wrote:
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Dan Drake <dr...@kaist.edu> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 at 12:56AM -0700, Robert Bradshaw wrote:
On Mar 17, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Nick Alexander wrote:
[...]
Yes. This post contains nothing "actionable".
Actually, I think all such posts belong on sage-release; all 1000+
subscribers to sage-devel don't need to know every time Sage alpha X
builds or brakes on system Y. (Of course, these replies are invaluable
for the release manager, so I don't want to discourage people from
sending them in.) Fortunately all such posts usually occur in one
thread, so I can delete them in bulk when they show up on sage-devel.
I agree with Nick, that Dave's post was not terrifically informative,
and that such reports would be best on sage-release -- and also that
there has been a lot of Solaris-related posts on sage-devel recently.
But did that warrant creating a new mailing list,
We have:
* sage-windows: the list for Sage Windows porting
* debian-sage: the list for Sage Debian packaging
I have been receiving regular off list complaints from people that
there are too many Solaris posts (as explained above). It is only
natural to create:
* sage-solaris: the primary list for Solaris porting discussion.
and also prompting, someone who has done an enormous amount
of work on Sage to leave?
Absolutely nobody suggested or asked David Kirkby to leave. If
anything, this is probably a typical illustration of how communication
in email sucks versus face-to-face. Fortunately, we're all mature
adults here.
No, you have not asked me to leave, but just marginalized what I was working on.
There may have been more posts that you wanted (emailing me privately about it
might have been useful in that case), but at least Sage 4.3.4 should build on
Solaris.
The Sage package in Debian is a nightmare. There seems quite a bit of discussion
on sage-devel about how bad the situation is.
With a good mailreader and other tools, it's very easy to
ignore/filter/delete posts that one does not want to read. I'm surprised
and confused that this issue apparently boils down to "too much email",
and think it's a shame that Dave left over this.
Of course only David can speak for his own motives, but do you really
think David is quitting because of me creating a sage-solaris mailing
list?
-- William
I explained my motives. Whether you wish to believe them or not is up to you. It
is not just the list, but what I perceive as an indifference towards Solaris
from you on the public side, then a private side telling me how important it is
for Sage to run on Solaris.
I suspect some changes in sources of funding have changed your priorities,
though some public explanation of the important of Solaris to Sage would be
appropriate.
Even Robert Bradsure admits moving discussions off of sage-devel to sage-solaris
will make it harder to keep Sage building on Solaris.
I believe you could have managed this issue a whole lot better than you did.
Dave
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