Em Sex, 2009-02-06 às 12:59 -0800, mabshoff escreveu: > > > On Feb 6, 9:53 am, Ronan Paixão <ronanpai...@yahoo.com.br> wrote: > > Em Ter, 2009-01-27 às 06:13 -0800, mabshoff escreveu: > > <SNIP> > > Hi Ronan, > > > I'm against all that SUA stuff. I completely agree it's a great help to > > get sage running on Windows, but that only happens for a very small user > > base: those who have SUA installed. > > Well, with all due respect: That is not your call. Once SUA works I > have zero interest in supporting Cygwin since it is a painful mess, > i.e. the fact that the Cygwin linker is not capable like any other > sane linker to do dynamic relocation on load introduces a world of > pain for me while building Sage on Windows. On top of that there are > numerous Cygwin releases to support with subtle, yet different bugs, > the amount of RAM is limited to 1.5GB or so, its socket performance is > terrible (another bug known for *years*) and on and on and on. You are > welcome to spend your time on keeping the port alive once it work :) > > > When I see something saying that it "Works on Windows", specially open > > source software, I expect it runs at least on what's most common, which > > in my view it's Windows XP and Vista Home. Those clearly are not the > > case with SUA. > > Sure, but what do you want me to do in my space time? Fix Cygwin? > > > Also, I believe that would be a major milestone to reach, which would > > really deserve a major version number. I say that because quite a lot of > > people around there would spit in anything *nix before even trying. To > > be able to run Sage in Windows for the newbie user would be like a whole > > new "market" for Sage. > > That is the whole point of the native MSVC port of Sage because only > that port will be a first class citizen on Windows with all due > respect to the MinGW and Cygwin people. > > > Cheers, > > Ronan > > Cheers, > > Michael
I respect your opinions and actually I just wanted to post mine. Surely I don't have the skills even to start such a great venture as porting a zillion apps to work on Windows. Actually, I don't really intend it to use Cygwin or whatever wrapper there is, but to be a really native Windows app. I can't really complain, specially since I use Linux, but I'm posting my Point-of-view because I'm the only person I know in person (not counting net-friends) that uses Linux as the main OS. Yet, I'd like to recommend Sage to my friends and teachers, who all use Windows XP and Vista (without SUA). I believe that's where Sage could get a really good traction in the Windows world, since only technically inclined people venture into VM stuff (even if it's easy to do, just thinking about another OS in their machine makes some people frown). I don't really care which way you choose, being compiling with Cygwin, GCC, Intel compiler or MSVC, since the time you spend is yours and I appreciate anything in the direction of supporting Sage. I just would like, if possible, to be able to run it on "consumer" versions of Windows. Thanks for hearing, Ronan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
