On Wednesday, October 2, 2024 at 2:48:10 PM UTC-7 oscar.j....@gmail.com wrote:
In my mind it could make sense for there to be a sagemath-minimal package which from a user perspective represents a "minimal installation of Sage" in comparison to say a package called sagemath-full. The implication of that though is that the package provides enough usable features that a user who only wants to use widely used basic features of Sage would be able to use sagemath-minimal to do what they want. It sounds like sagemath-categories does not provide that. I think that the same problem applies to the name sagemath-core because again to me that name implies some level of usability from an end-user perspective. Yes, there's definitely room for one or more such distributions below what is currently called *sagemath-standard* (= all standard features of Sage). There is no technical difficulty in putting together such distributions (without content, just dependencies). A discussion among users/developers what the scope of such distributions should be would be very valuable, but would have relatively little urgency. Looking at the diagram (in https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/35095) is the part on the right "sagemath-repl"? Yes. I'm assuming that it is separate from categories because it depends on ipython or something but is it likely that anyone would want to install sagemath-repl without also installing sagemath-categories? Yes. *sagemath-repl* contains also the Sage doctesting facility. It is used for doctesting *sagemath-objects*, the smaller distribution below *sagemath-categories.* If not then would it make sense for sagemath-repl to depend on sagemath-categories rather than sagemath-objects and then would there still be a need for sagemath-objects and sagemath-environment/sage-conf? Anything that uses environment variables or configuration variables goes through *sagemath-environment.* A distribution without a dependency on that therefore declares that it is "configuration-free". This is valuable by itself. Something that is very unclear to me is what the sizes of these things are. For example, how much disk space does it take to install sagemath-mpmath plus dependencies? How much larger or smaller is that than just installing sagemath-categories? *sagemath-mpmath* is not a good example because the need for it will go away with Remove outdated mpmath Sage backend <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/38113> (https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/38113) But here are the sizes of the wheels as of the PR in question (https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36380). (These are not "repaired wheels", i.e., they do not contain the shared libraries that they depend on.) -rw-r--r-- 1 mkoeppe staff 100021 Oct 1 17:31 venv/var/lib/sage/wheels/sagemath_bliss-10.5b6-cp312-cp312-macosx_14_0_x86_64.whl -rw-r--r-- 1 mkoeppe staff 623865 Oct 1 17:48 venv/var/lib/sage/wheels/sagemath_brial-10.5b6-cp312-cp312-macosx_14_0_x86_64.whl -rw-r--r-- 1 mkoeppe staff 12898188 Oct 1 17:39 venv/var/lib/sage/wheels/sagemath_categories-10.5b6-cp312-cp312-macosx_14_0_x86_64.whl -rw-r--r-- 1 mkoeppe staff 168193 Oct 1 17:31 venv/var/lib/sage/wheels/sagemath_coxeter3-10.5b6-cp312-cp312-macosx_14_0_x86_64.whl -rw-r--r-- 1 mkoeppe staff 120728 Oct 1 17:30 venv/var/lib/sage/wheels/sagemath_environment-10.5b6-py3-none-any.whl -rw-r--r-- 1 mkoeppe staff 34979 Oct 1 17:31 venv/var/lib/sage/wheels/sagemath_mcqd-10.5b6-cp312-cp312-macosx_14_0_x86_64.whl -rw-r--r-- 1 mkoeppe staff 210888 Oct 1 17:31 venv/var/lib/sage/wheels/sagemath_meataxe-10.5b6-cp312-cp312-macosx_14_0_x86_64.whl -rw-r--r-- 1 mkoeppe staff 4677952 Oct 1 17:32 venv/var/lib/sage/wheels/sagemath_objects-10.5b6-cp312-cp312-macosx_14_0_x86_64.whl -rw-r--r-- 1 mkoeppe staff 449903 Oct 1 17:33 venv/var/lib/sage/wheels/sagemath_repl-10.5b6-py3-none-any.whl -rw-r--r-- 1 mkoeppe staff 68201 Oct 1 17:31 venv/var/lib/sage/wheels/sagemath_sirocco-10.5b6-cp312-cp312-macosx_14_0_x86_64.whl -rw-r--r-- 1 mkoeppe staff 98114018 Oct 1 17:47 venv/var/lib/sage/wheels/sagemath_standard-10.5b6-cp312-cp312-macosx_14_0_x86_64.whl -rw-r--r-- 1 mkoeppe staff 149635 Oct 1 17:31 venv/var/lib/sage/wheels/sagemath_tdlib-10.5b6-cp312-cp312-macosx_14_0_x86_64.whl Note the size difference between the current *sagemath-standard *and * sagemath-{objects,categories,repl,environment}. * Happy to provide more detail. Matthias -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/114631e8-ac3f-4f98-853d-53c406b045ben%40googlegroups.com.
