I think the clash is much more basic than that. It is developers versus users. Users who hoped to do (some) mathematics with a computer.
So far, it seems to me most discussions are developer-centric, Marc being among the exceptions giving another POV. Guillermo On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 at 21:15, dmo...@deductivepress.ca < dmor...@deductivepress.ca> wrote: > It appears to me that we are seeing a culture clash here. I think what > Marc says is correct in regard to mac users, but, for all I know, it may be > less (or not at all) true about linux users. > > In particular, I am pretty sure that the vast majority of mac users have > never built a program from source, and do not know what "homebrew" or > "package manager" means. A mac user expects to download either a > ready-to-use application or a ".pkg" installer file that just needs to be > double-clicked. Many, probably most, are fearful of doing anything at the > command line (and don't understand it). As Marc said, expecting the > typical mac user to build sage from source is adding a huge obstacle. > > On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 2:07:32 PM UTC-4 Marc Culler wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 12:35 PM Dima Pasechnik <dim...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> what if you have a version mismatch between the toolchain used to >>> build the shipped binary, >>> and XCode you installed locally? I'd expect trouble, in particular with >>> C++. >>> >> >> When I tested the %%cython magic command I was running a beta version of >> macOS 15 with XCode 16.1 beta, while the SageMath app was built on macOS 14 >> with XCode 16.0. The python function that I used was trivial - it just >> multiplied the argument by 2.0 and returned the product. But it worked >> fine. I don't know if it is possible to force C++ to be used with the >> %%cython magic command. >> >> The C and C++ runtimes are distributed with the operating system, and so >> far we have not seen problems arising from users having a different >> operating system version from the one used to build the app. >> >> it's only if you are on a bad platform to begin with. >> >> >> It is not really about which platform(s) I am on, it is about which >> platform a Sage user is on. I don't think that telling users that they >> chose to install a bad operating system is likely to encourage people to >> use Sage. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/CANnG188ijHkQJn0LBuyc-EqYK9pH%3DHQnRzi0SHP%2BXGR2HuHW9A%40mail.gmail.com.
