On 8/20/07, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I definitely think it's a good idea, because SAGE (or at least
> SAGElite) should be just like any other package - it should install in
> a standard way, there should be a regular Debian/Ubuntu package etc.
> and it should compete with all the other opensource programs in Debian
> main.
>
> Matplotlib is very bad at 3D plotting, but SymPy uses pyglet for
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This was definitely very true a year ago.  Did you get any sense that
this had changed when you were at the scipy conference?  Last year
when I was at that conference, there was a lot of talk about improving
matplotlib, but I don't know whether anything came of it in the last year,
perhaps because VTK/mayavi meets a lot of people's needs for
3d plotting in python.

> plotting, that is pure python and works on Windows, Linux, Max OS X
> [1]. From the mathematical point of view, the goals of SAGElite are
> almost identical to SymPy's, but SAGElite will be much more - the
> notebook, the mathematica/maple/maxima bindings, etc.

Probably, based on the discussions, :Sagelite" will be exactly the
non-mathematical
parts of SAGE, so sagelite overall should just be purely complementary
to Sympy, and not have any mathematical goals.

> On the other hand - it's very easy to get something, but to get it
> right, get it polished, pay attention to all those small details, that
> will annoy the first user, etc, is very difficult, I can see it with
> SymPy, so I think it will be quite a lot of work.

If SAGElite is just the non-math parts of SAGE, then it won't be
very much work, since that work is already mostly done.  In fact,
it's likely that it will make for *less* work for SAGE, because people
who are very good at programming will use SAGElite (for the GUI
interface to Python or program XXX or something, say), and will
contribute back improvements.

 -- William

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