+1

this appears to be solving a problem that doesnt exist and is unlikely to exist.

for a multiple transport registry, I'd be more interesting in whether rate limit behaviour would be consistent between transports and whether clients are expected to be exclusively on a single transport at a time or can use both in parallel, which would be my preference.


On 21/3/2024 9:16 pm, Andrew Newton (andy) wrote:
Registries have a financial incentive to make sure registrars are kept
up to date, so your experience is almost certainly the norm. And I
agree that any service discovery mechanism that gets complicated is
not worth the effort in the registry/registrar space.

That said, George's idea of using an SVCB record seems pretty
straightforward and is low effort.

-andy


On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 9:14 PM Tobias Sattler
<tobias=40tobiassattler....@dmarc.ietf.org>  wrote:
+1

During my 14-year tenure on the registrar side, where we implemented almost 
every gTLD and many ccTLDs, I always felt well-informed by registries if they 
intended to make substantial changes. While this feature seems nice, I don’t 
know if the effort is worth it.

Best,
Tobias

On 20. Mar 2024, at 12:59, Jody Kolker<jkolker=40godaddy....@dmarc.ietf.org>  
wrote:

Just adding my 2 cents.



It seems that designing and implementing a discovery system seems to be a bit 
complicated and will take some time to design and complete.  Every registry 
will be contacting registrars when a new system is enabled, or at least should 
be.  I don’t see a huge benefit of adding a service discovery system compared 
to the amount of time it will take to design and implement.  I would rather we 
spend our time defining the separate transport system than designing a 
discovery system.





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Scott, et al,



This seems to me an excellent idea, but let me suggest adding a bit more 
content.



And before doing so, let me acknowledge that a registry will likely inform its 
registrars well in advance of any changes and will likely provide a test system 
for registers to use in advance of a cutover to a new transport system.  But 
rather than depending on this alone, an automated process for discovering the 
transport will be very helpful.



And now for the added content:



If a registry upgrades to a new transport method, it will likely operate both 
the old and new transport for a period of time.  Indeed, it might even support 
three or more transport methods during some periods.  Accordingly, the response 
to a service discovery query will likely contain multiple answers.  Each answer 
should also include a flag indicating whether it is a preferred method.



But wait, there's more.



Each transport method will go through a lifecycle.  The transport method 
lifecycle has the following states.



A. Announcement that the method will be supported in the future.  (Including 
the anticipated date is a good idea, but the date should be interpreted as a 
guess, not a certainty.)



B. Announcement that the method is now supported.  Include the date it became supported.  
(A transport method in this state is "preferred."  There should be at least one 
method in this state, but there could be more than one.)



C. Announcement that the method that has been supported is scheduled to be 
removed.  Include the estimated date of removal.  This will serve as notice 
that any registrar still using the transport should move to another available 
method that has reached state B.  (And, of course, there should indeed already 
be at least one method in state B.)



D. Announcement that the method will become unavailable on a specific date.  
(All use of a method in this state should have ceased.  However, if the method 
is still in use by a registrar, it will work.  The registry's system or other 
monitoring systems can take note and escalate attention to the appropriate 
managers,)



E. Removal of the transport method from the set of answers.



Extension of the proposal to include these states is easy.  Just add a flag to 
indicate whether the transport method is in state A, B, C or D, and include the 
date.



Comments?



Steve





On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 7:11 PM Hollenbeck, 
Scott<shollenbeck=40verisign....@dmarc.ietf.org>  wrote:

As noted during this morning’s regext session, we need to consider how a client 
can discover the transport services provided by an EPP server. Opportunistic 
probing is one method, another is server capability publication using something 
like an SVCB record that’s published in a DNS zone maintained by the EPP server 
operator. Perhaps something like this:



epp.example.net.  7200  IN SVCB 3 epp.example.net. (

        alpn="bar" port="700" transport="tcp")



There is no “transport” SvcParamKey currently registered with IANA, but that’s 
easy to do. I think there’s a draft here that needs to be written.



Scott

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