So you're willing to risk total system shutdown if a single cell fails? It just seems like a big risk even if the batteries are considered highly reliable. I always planned to minimize the risk of failure causing a power outage. A buss bar arrangement with more strings provides redundancy and reduced downtime while still being very stable, more stable than an interconnected series/parallel arrangement.

Tom

On 2018-07-25 00:39, Tump wrote:
Perhaps suggesting the correct amp Hr battery bank would eliminate the
_need_ for buss bar. 2 volt EX1400 1K amp hour batteries work very
well good warrantee. all the fusing & interconnects would be
eliminated. MORE AHs = less interconnects, always  the correct way to
go!

On Jul 24, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Dave Tedeyan <dtede...@taitem.com>
wrote:

Thank you all for the ideas and suggestions. This person in
particular had #4 wire for the battery connections,
so they are all getting replaced with anyway. So it seems like
rewiring to a busbar with fuses will be the way to
go. And although not ideal to have so many strings, this will be
more cost effective than just getting a whole new
battery bank right off the bat when they have 10 batteries that have
essentially never been used.

Cheers,
Dave

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On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 8:50 PM, Glenn Burt <glenn.b...@glbcc.com>
wrote:

Hi Christopher,

I buy my copper buss material from McMaster Carr in appropriate
dimensions for the current I am expecting.

I then cut it to the lengths I need, drill for appropriate size
fasteners and use 2 layers of heat-shrink tubing to protect the
exposed bar.

Hope this helps.

-Glenn

FROM: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> ON
BEHALF OF Chris Schaefer
SENT: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:28 PM
TO: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
SUBJECT: Re: [RE-wrenches] 5 battery strings

What source are you all using for buss bars for these multiple
battery string set ups?

Christopher

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:16 PM, <t...@wagonmaker.com> wrote:

Separate out the individual series strings and run each string to a
buss bar setup.  Remember it isn't just resistance differences
between batteries but resistance difference between cells as well.
In a setup like the existing one the resistance differences can
really add up and if one battery fails the entire system will be
offline.  Running each string to a positive and negative common buss
bar means you can remove individual strings without disrupting the
entire storage and the system can continue operating.  Also, it
means the only resistance issues of substance are within individual
series pairs not the entire interconnected bank.

I ran 10 series pairs of 12v AGM batteries, each pair to a common
buss and it was the longest lasting, most stable battery bank I had.
That was years ago and now it would require fusing each string but
for longevity and stability it is the best bet.

Tom

On 2018-07-23 03:56, Dave Tedeyan wrote:

Since we are on the topic of bad battery practices...

I may be fixing up a system that was both designed and installed
very
poorly.
They have a 24V Outback VFXR inverter, and ten 12V AGM batteries
wired
into
5 parallel strings. I know that is a bad idea, but since they
already
have the
equipment, are there any safety issues by re-using this equipment?
It
is for a
grid tie battery backup system that will remain in float most of the
time. I assume
that the batteries will not last particularly long, but is there any
harm in using them
and then just getting new batteries once they fail?

Stringing is shown in the attached picture.
Cheers,
Dave

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