This was 22 years ago and I got my buss bars from a battery distributor who did large backup installations for telco systems. He was horrified that we in the business were paralleling series strings together in a daisy chain. Said it was the best way to give batteries an early death. I had a source but last time I posted it I was told it was no longer in business. But I would think anyone who installs systems for large battery backups, either for wind systems using containers full of batteries or telco backup power, would have access to a good source. I preferred tinned copper bars.
Using buss bars allows for creating banks of lots of batteries which allows for redundancy. I’ve never understood why you would want to put all your eggs in one or two baskets, so to speak, by paralleling two series strings of large batteries. One cell in one battery failing kills half the storage right off the bat and the system has to be taken offline just to remove the defective string. With a buss bar there is no interruption of service, batteries can be swapped out easily while the system hums along. My AGMs were solid for years and very well balanced. Tom From: Chris Schaefer Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:28 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] 5 battery strings What source are you all using for buss bars for these multiple battery string set ups? Christopher On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:16 PM, <t...@wagonmaker.com> wrote: Separate out the individual series strings and run each string to a buss bar setup. Remember it isn't just resistance differences between batteries but resistance difference between cells as well. In a setup like the existing one the resistance differences can really add up and if one battery fails the entire system will be offline. Running each string to a positive and negative common buss bar means you can remove individual strings without disrupting the entire storage and the system can continue operating. Also, it means the only resistance issues of substance are within individual series pairs not the entire interconnected bank. I ran 10 series pairs of 12v AGM batteries, each pair to a common buss and it was the longest lasting, most stable battery bank I had. That was years ago and now it would require fusing each string but for longevity and stability it is the best bet. Tom On 2018-07-23 03:56, Dave Tedeyan wrote: Since we are on the topic of bad battery practices... I may be fixing up a system that was both designed and installed very poorly. They have a 24V Outback VFXR inverter, and ten 12V AGM batteries wired into 5 parallel strings. I know that is a bad idea, but since they already have the equipment, are there any safety issues by re-using this equipment? It is for a grid tie battery backup system that will remain in float most of the time. I assume that the batteries will not last particularly long, but is there any harm in using them and then just getting new batteries once they fail? Stringing is shown in the attached picture. Cheers, Dave -- Dave Tedeyan SENIOR ENGINEER TAITEM ENGINEERING, PC 10 Verizon Lane, Lansing, NY 14882 Voice: (607) 930-3481 x6 www.taitem.com [1] Links: ------ [1] http://www.taitem.com/ _______________________________________________ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org _______________________________________________ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org -- Chris Schaefer’s Tel/Fax 585-229-2083 or Cell 585-748-1870 5115 South Hill Road ~ Canandaigua New York 14424 www.solarandwindfx.com ~ E-mail: ch...@solarandwindfx.com Thomas Jefferson, the author of our great Constitution, once said, "democracy" will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
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