Hello Michael,
I think that only technically proficient people should be allowed to post
directly to RE-wrenches. Wrench concerns about NABCEP will continue along
with our concerns about UL, NFPA/NEC, CSI, DOE, IRS, etc. because they
affect our daily work. I don't think that it has ever been a problem for
someone not on the list to get something posted by you, Ezra, Bob-O, and
others. The free flow of information, ideas, and opinions from "them that's
doing" is what makes RE-wrenches one of the best RE exchanges on the
internet.
Thank you for keep the quality technical exchange high and for reining me
and others in when we get off-subject.
Joel Davidson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Welch" <michael.we...@re-wrenches.org>
To: <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:16 AM
Subject: [RE-wrenches] NABCEP
Hello Wrenches. As always, please contact me off list about this subject
if you would like to weigh in.
This is your list, and I run it by a consensus of your wishes. If any
changes are to be made, I have tried to at least come close to a consensus
among the Wrenches (not manufacturer reps) on the list. We now have a
proposed change in policy before us.
I am being placed under pressure by Ezra Auerbach to add an otherwise
nonqualified NABCEP staff person, Rebecca Eaton, to the Wrench list so she
may respond on behalf of NABCEP if Wrenches are discussing anything to do
with the org.
First, I often receive membership requests from nonqualified individuals.
Unless they are technically proficient, they are respectfully turned down,
and have included (among others): the general public, casual installers,
academics, trade organization staff, union staff, and now NABCEP staff. I
think you have clearly and appropriately drawn the line that we want pros
on this list in order to keep the discussion quality high.
Second, the only exceptions to this have been "technically proficient"
representatives of the companies that manufacture the equipment that you
Wrenches install -- and some time ago, we reached consensus to allow any
fully NABCEP-certified individual, working pro or not. Ezra believes that
the manufacturers' privilege should be extended to the NABCEP staff
person.
Third, I have offered Rebecca, and she accepted, the same thing I offer
other nonqualified individuals that might some time want to post to the
list: send your post to me, and I will post appropriate messages on their
behalf. I have done this several times over the years and in fact, did it
for Rebecca once already.
Fourth, there are at least 3 NABCEP board members on this list. While they
may not be prepared to respond with the nuts and bolts of NABCEP workings,
it seems to me to be good representation on the list. At a minimum, these
members could alert their staff, who could then respond through the
already-available mechanism mentioned above.
Until now, my efforts had been behind the scenes, but now it has come to a
head and I need to involve you because this morning I rejected a list post
from Ezra that was an end run around my off-list efforts. Here is that
post:
Hello Wrenches,
I'm writing to you all wearing my "Chairperson of NABCEP" hat and wishing
to seek your collective guidance.
The question is: Should the Executive Director of NABCEP be able to post
to this list on matters germain to the organization?
Following the NABCEP Rant thread our ED tried to get posting access so she
could issue a timely and factual reply. She was turned down and as it
stands today she can not post relevant and informative replies.
A very long time ago this list allowed designated representatives from
manufacturers on to this list so they could speak directly when
appropriate and we all have learned good stuff from the ensuing dialogue.
It seems ulitmately silly to me that NABCEP Certification "qualifies" for
list posting access but being the ED of the organization does not.
Please weigh in with your collective thoughts.
Best regards,
Ezra Auerbach
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