I have to agree--the extended seat tube looks (to put it kindly) odd, and
limits ones ability to raise the bars.  I recently bought a Rawland Stag
and find it a more agreeable design.  (though not without a few issues of
it's own--hey, it's a budget frame)

Steve


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Garth <garth...@gmail.com> wrote:

> They've simply made the seat tube overly long, but the top of the head
> tube itself is well lower than the top of the ST.  If you like lower bars,
> that'll be great. If you want higher bars without lots of spacers or
> extenders , not so great. Back to using a long quill adapter on a brand new
> frame?  You really should not have to do that with a new frame if it is
> made to fit you.   If the steering tube is long enough before cut you can
> add some spacers, but only so many.  It's rather the opposite of a Riv type
> frame where the top of the HT is well above the top of the ST.  It's more
> like a track bike proportion.
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:17:08 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> Why do you say it's more like a 60 or 61?  Don't really care about
>> standover to tell you the truth, just want a comfortable, well balanced
>> ride.
>>
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