A shorter (than 180) crank is probably a good call.  I 650'd my Riv Road
Standard and its 175 cranks are pretty low now.  I've grazed the pavement
once or twice.

I put light loads in a Wald basket on the Mark's rack on front, and I can
load it up to about 10lbs before it starts affecting the handling.

Try 650b on your Riv custom with a small front load; it may handle just
great.  I bet that Eisentraut handles nice too.  Have you considered going
650b on that bike?


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jim Bronson <jim.bron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm abandoning this Soma idea, for me anyway.  I still think this is a
> nice frame at an outstanding price for those it will fit well.  I am
> curious to see how Nick likes it.
>
> I called Boulder Bicycle and they really seemed hesitant to say it would
> fit.  They wanted me to take a bunch of measurements of my existing bike(s)
> before they would make a recommendation.  I decided ultimately that I still
> have over 21 months to sort out what was going to be my PBP bike and
> there's no rush to go out and buy yet another frame.
>
> I think I can make the 650b work on my Riv custom.  I can restore pretty
> much the same ride height with shorter cranks and taller tires. It was
> already low to the ground anyway with the lower BB and the 180 cranks.
>
> Would have liked to had a purpose built 650b with low trail so I could
> roll with a bag in the front. But it's really not worth guessing on the fit
> and plus spending more money will not endear me to my significant other at
> home.
>
> I also have a 1975 Eisentraut touring A frameset hanging on my garage
> wall.  It's got a 69mm ST with a 62MM TT.  I think I am going to turn my
> curiosity towards that.  I can put the 700c wheels I took of my Riv on that
> bike, and maybe I have enough spare parts kicking around to Frankenstein it
> together without spending much.  I was thinking before that I would sell it
> and put the money towards the Soma but I think the old Eisentraut at least
> deserves a chance.
>
> Just got called about an impromptu 101K populaire tonight just north of
> Austin so I gotta go get ready for that.  I am picking up another Rivendell
> owner on the way there so it will be a 2/3rds Riv Ride!!
>
> Happy cycling!
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Garth <garth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill pointed out that it's only 17mm higher Steve in the 65cm. size.
>> That's not a whole lot more than a classic steel road frame with it's
>> naturally higher head tube than seat tube.
>>
>> On Friday, November 15, 2013 2:09:14 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/15/2013 10:49 AM, Anton Tutter wrote:
>>> > I think he meant that the seat tube extension might limit the size
>>> > frame one can fit,
>>>
>>> In other words, can't the saddle low enough?
>>>
>>>
>>> > and without the extension one might otherwise order the next size up,
>>> > getting a higher head tube.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> I think this entire discussion is based on a misunderstanding. Looking
>>> at the geometry chart
>>> http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/grand-randonneur-frame-set the
>>> illustration makes it clear this is a sloper, and not just a wee little
>>> one, like the Rambouillet/Atlantis, either.  Even with the seat tube
>>> extension, the head tube itself, never mind the headset stack, etc., is
>>> significantly higher than the end of the seat tube. It looks like with
>>> both stem and seat post slammed the bars are going to be significantly
>>> higher than the saddle.
>>>
>>>
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