Ok do this.. or at least this is what I would do... 

1.  Move saddle forward on seat post or back...    just make a change and 
test - if still pain put it back
2. Raise / lower seat ... 
3. Raise / lower bars

If none if the individual test help then make combo's .. 1 and 2 the 2 and 
3 etc.  Always returning to beginning. 

When all the measuring and thinking don't work make a change... make it 
worse make it better just change it ;0

Kelly


On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:18:52 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
> OK. Here is a difference I found between the bikes:
>  
>
>> Sam and Bleriot have same saddle heights (saddle top-bb center), *but*:
>> Sam cranks - *170mm*, MKS touring pedals with walking shoe (no back pain)
>> Bleriot cranks - *172.5mm*, MKS touring pedals with same walking shoe 
>> (ouch)
>>
>  Giant cranks - 172.5mm, but have used clipless much, much more than 
> Touring pedals on it. No pain. Clipless shoe also changes distance to pedal 
> since the sole/cleat is diferent thickness than walking shoe.
>  
> So:
>
>> This makes the saddle top to pedals 2.5mm further on the Bleriot than the 
>> Sam.
>> *Would this 2.5mm difference be enough to cause a low back pain problem?*
>> I rode this way fine for a coupla months when I first got the Bleriot 
>> with no probs. It was after those first months that the back pain started. 
>> Maybe cumulative and the back started complaining and still does?
>>
>  
> *Should I drop the saddle 2.5mm?* 
>
>>  
>>
>  
>

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