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> @Patrick:
>
 
Saddle specs:
Same saddle height and tilt.  Fore/aft = KOPS on both bikes. Both bikes 
have MKS Touring pedals on them. Both have B17's on them. Same crank 
lengths. Q is probably different, but not mechanically inclined enough to 
measure that. Never removes crank arms before.
 
Bars:
Same reach to bar tops. Bars are 1.3cm below saddle height on both bikes. 
The Bleriot hoods are 1.5cm closer than the Giant bike but I don't think 
that is the issue since my back also hurt when they were further out last 
fall and spring. The bar widths of both bikes are the same on ramps and 
hoods (I never go into drops/hooks). 
 
Because of the geometries of the two bikes being different, the measurement 
from saddle nose to stem bolt is .5 cm further out on the Bleriot than the 
Giant. But SN to bar tops reach is same, as I mentioned.
 
This is a real puzzler. Been going on since last fall.
 
The new Sam was kind to my back when I did have the drops on it. The Giant 
Bike has never hurt me.

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