On Sun, 2012-12-09 at 10:02 -0800, charlie wrote:
> I see your point Steve and don't necessarily disagree....for me at 257
> right now, two top tubes seems fine. In fact, the Sam feels more
> lively than my Surly Trucker. I own a standard diameter high end 80's
> race bike with Columbus SL and it flexes noticeably (for me) I only
> ride it on smooth roads in nice weather. If I were to own a frame with
> thinner tubing I would be concerned about eventual cracking. That
> is,if it were my daily rider. I thought of trying a Boulder tigged
> frame but didn't because I felt I was too heavy for one and would have
> to upgrade to custom tubing making it too expensive......would rather
> wait and buy a lugged frame when I am down another 30 pounds from a
> near all time high of 282. When youger at 175 my old Bianchi felt fine
> on 23 mm tires.... these days I would trash such a bike.

Well, it's true, ~260 is considerably different than ~200.



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