Yea Marc's bike is typical.....weight wise. Not sure what my double top 
tube Sam weighs probably 8 ounces more though. The Sam in my opinion isn't 
'overbuilt' or 'heavy'. I think the whole weight thing is a little 
over emphasized and something Grant has some strong opinions about. Even BQ 
magazine didn't find much difference in a Ti bike weighing 17 pounds and a 
steel one weighing 26 pounds (as far as performance). Your body position, 
fit and power output have more to do with your ultimate performance. I fail 
to see how less than five pounds will make a significant difference. Frame 
stiffness, performance and feel depend on rider weight and power. You can't 
put a 200+ pounder on a light tube bike and not expect it to feel like a 
wet noodle, same applies the other way with a uber stiff, heavy frame and a 
135 pound rider. Riv's 'Sam' is smartly built and heavy enough to last. My 
own is lighter than my Surly Trucker and probably just as sturdily built. I 
say get a Sam, its a good value and could be your only bike. I'm making 
mine my 'go to' bicycle especially since putting drop bars on it. 
On Saturday, December 8, 2012 8:31:25 AM UTC-8, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> Mine is a single TT 56 cm, it weighs 26 with longboard fenders and bottle 
> cage. I ride it obsessively not daily.
>
> Marc
>
> On Friday, December 7, 2012 11:13:27 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>>
>> Anyone got a complete Sam they can weigh (without add ons) and report 
>>> back for the OP?
>>>  
>>>
>>

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