I had a pair of A23/650b wheels built by Anthony at Longleaf in June this year. The Hetres and A23's are a hard fit ... first time I tried I really suffered. Then I used a little dish-soapy water along the rim and bead and overinflated them until I literally heard the bead "pop" into place. No problems so far, well over a few hundred miles later (but I'm wondering how this is going to play out along the side of the road one day).
On Friday, August 10, 2012 11:50:55 AM UTC-4, ted wrote: > > I have had good luck getting Quasi-Moto tires to seat evenly on > Synergies by pumping em up much harder than I would ride em and then > bouncing em on the patio. > > On Aug 10, 8:43 am, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I just built a set of 650B A23s a few months ago. I built three sets of > > Synergies over the last few years. I was expecting to have increased > > friction at the spoke to rim interface, because that's just what happens > > with non-eyeleted rims. I was very pleasantly surprised at how little > > friction there was. I really could tell the difference at all. > > > > Regarding tire mounting, I agree that Synergies are far easier. I am > used > > to mounting and removing 650B tires from Synergy rims with no levers. > In > > the 650B community, this is often considered a shortcoming, because it > is > > quite common to have a very difficult time seating a wide 650B tire on a > > synergy rim. This has been attributed to the very deep well of the > Synergy > > rim. Workarounds include using a lot more rim tape, lucking out, or > just > > accepting a lumpy tire. Some folklore has suggested that Velocity has > had > > both undersized and oversized runs of these 650B rims. > > > > The A23 has a far shallower well at the bead and a deeper channel down > the > > middle. To mount tires with your hands, you really have to get the bead > > down in that middle channel. The huge upside is that it is virtually > > impossible for the tire NOT to run true. I set up my A23 650B wheelset > > tubeless, so I used the very thin Stan's tape, and I agree the tire went > on > > far tighter than on Synergy's. Still no problem with my bare hands. I > > considered that a very good thing. > > > > None of the above comments have anything to do with 700C Velocity rims. > > I've never built a wheelset or ridden on Velocity 700c rims of any > model. > > In 650B, I think the A23 is a really great alternative to the Synergy, > but > > I think they are both nice rims. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 9, 2012 9:09:20 PM UTC-7, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote: > > > > > Hi Brian, > > > > > I've built up a set and a half of A23s and a couple of sets of > Synergies. > > > Both rim types are pretty straightforward to build and required > similar > > > amounts of attention to achieve the radial/lateral trueness. I build > more > > > for spoke tension evenness than rad/lat trueness and neither rims gave > me > > > problems other than the typical slight hop at the joint. > > > > > I prefer the Synergies because the available OC version reduces > left/right > > > spoke tension discrepancy thereby resulting in stronger rear wheels. > > > Truthfully, I only ever had a rear wheel fail once in my entire > cycling > > > lifetime (>30 years), so this may be a technical advantage and not a > > > practical one. The Synergies were also a tad easier to build due to > the > > > reduced turning friction from having eyelets (even if the spoke/nipple > and > > > nipple/spoke-bed interfaces were oiled). Finally, and this is very > > > important for me, tires are significantly easier to mount on the > Synergies > > > than on the A23s, often not requiring any tire levers at all for the > > > Synergies (e.g., for both the GB Cypres and JB Greens, with > Veloplugs). > > > > > On Thursday, August 9, 2012 5:37:58 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote: > > > > >> Has anyone had a chance to build a wheel with the Velocity A23 rims > vs. a > > >> Synergy rim? I'm planning a front wheel SON wheel, and have been > using > > >> Synergy rims to this point. This will be for my Hilsen and will > generally > > >> be pulling rando/road duty with Cypres or Jack Brown Greens. > > > > >> Brian > > >> Seattle, WA > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/lAuCOGA18XMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
