- As soon as possible, a verbal commitment to attend (and I may request a 
deposit for the shuttle and lodging (if I book the Paddlers Guest House).  Sam 
Allingham and Tom Allingham are in; one additional rider is a distinct 
possibility.

- A lodging preference, either:  A. I would like to stay with the masses in the 
Paddlers Lane Guest House (if avail), and although I am guaranteed a bed, it 
may not be a queen bed, we'll draw straws...  or B. I would like to make my own 
lodging arrangements.  Option A preferable for us.

- A starting point; Cumberland, MD (62 miles to Confluence on Day 1, approx the 
first 25 miles are gradual uphill) vs Frostburg, MD  We'd prefer Cumberland.
(47 miles to Confluence on Day 1, approx the first 10 miles are gradual 
uphill).  And for those preferring Frostburg, do you need to A. Park in 
Frostburg or B. Park in Cumberland and ride to Frostburg ahead of the Rally.

- A (Yes/No) vote on a Fallingwater tour - Assuming we shuttle via bus, and 
take a Noon tour... Figure 1-2 hours total, and will cost approx $20 per 
person.  We'd love to do the Fallingwater side trip

-----Original Message-----
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:58 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012

Shuttle Update:  Good news... Wilderness Voyageurs (WV) provided me with what I 
consider a very reasonable rate for 2 vans (to shuttle approx 25 passengers 
plus bikes and gear).  They have a large rack on top of one van, and a box 
trailer for the balance of the bikes and gear.  The price quote is $415, which 
translates to roughly $17 per person (if we have 25), or $28 per person (if we 
have 15), etc... you get the idea.  We pay for the vans and trailer, regardless 
of the number of people.  Either way I think that's a very reasonable price 
(compared to other quotes for large buses).  I would like to propose leaving 
our cars in Cumberland (or optionally Frostburg) and getting shuttled back on 
Sunday (I will explain why in a moment).

WV is located in Ohiopyle. PA just off the trail.  As we pass through Ohiopyle 
on Sunday (Apr 22), we CAN opt to use WV to shuttle us up to Fallingwater, IF 
folks would like to take a tour.  The cost would be
$25 per van (from WV HQ), which adds only $2 per person.  I have sent in an 
inquiry to the Fallingwater people requesting a group tour rate (normally $22 
individually).  We'll see if they can accommodate a group of 25 for the Noon 
time slot; THEN it's up to us to decide whether we'd like to include this tour 
or not.  Another option would be to have a nice, relaxing lunch in Ohiopyle.  
I'd like your thoughts, please.

Next up will be a decision on lodging and shuttle options.  The WV folks made a 
pretty good case for leaving our cars in Cumberland MD, citing better parking 
options, and actually by leaving cars in Cumberland, another advantage would be 
to allow late arrivals on Friday night (or even Saturday morning), by not 
having to pre-shuttle at a predetermined time.  Moreover, we can check in with 
WV at Ohiopyle on Sunday, and provide a pretty accurate time estimate for when 
we'll need pickup in Connellsville, which is 17 miles down river.  The 
disadvantage to this is that it tacks on additional time and distance for our 
friends coming from the North.  But Sunday will be a shorter day, and I'd 
anticipate arriving in Connellsville around 3, putting us back in Cumberland by 
around 5 PM.

For those who would prefer to start in Frostburg (which is 16 miles up trail 
from Cumberland), this would give you a later start on Sat AM (while you wait 
for the rally to catch up) and it would spare you 16 miles of additional 
climbing (albeit at a gradual 1% grade or less).
I'm sure we can convince the WV crew to drop people in Frostburg on the way 
back into Cumberland on Sunday, but they may tack on a small surcharge.  
Another option for those wishing to start from Frostburg on Saturday would be 
to arrive in Cumberland during the day on Friday, leaving your car in 
Cumberland, then riding 16 miles to Frostburg "up the climb" to a hotel in 
Frostburg... then you can "sleep in" on Sat while the rest of us huff and puff 
our way up to meet you.

Finally, for lodging options in Confluence, I would strongly recommend 
reserving the Paddlers Lane Retreat guest house, which can accommodate at least 
a dozen, and costs about $425 a night (which is a bargain if we fill it).  
Here's a link to their site - http://www.paddlerslane.com/id9.html.

There are other B&B accommodations that folks can make on their own, with 
prices and quality of accommodations varying; Here's the link to Google maps 
that lists and shows where these lodging choices are:
http://tinyurl.com/6wj6bgq  You can decide.

SO WHAT I AM ASKING FROM THOSE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING RIV RALLY EAST
2012 INCLUDES:

- As soon as possible, a verbal commitment to attend (and I may request a 
deposit for the shuttle and lodging (if I book the Paddlers Guest House).
- A lodging preference, either:  A. I would like to stay with the masses in the 
Paddlers Lane Guest House (if avail), and although I am guaranteed a bed, it 
may not be a queen bed, we'll draw straws...  or B. I would like to make my own 
lodging arrangements.
- Preferred starting point; Cumberland, MD (62 miles to Confluence on Day 1, 
approx the first 25 miles are gradual uphill) vs Frostburg, MD
(47 miles to Confluence on Day 1, approx the first 10 miles are gradual 
uphill).  And for those preferring Frostburg, do you need to A. Park in 
Frostburg or B. Park in Cumberland and ride to Frostburg ahead of the Rally.
- A (Yes/No) vote on a Fallingwater tour - Assuming we shuttle via bus, and 
take a Noon tour... Figure 1-2 hours total, and will cost approx $20 per person.

Thanks, this information will greatly help me plan the logistics.
Later this evening I will provide a list of available hotel choices for 
Cumberland and Frostburg, which folks can opt to stay at Friday evening, or 
choose a hotel outside of the area, your choice, and you can make those 
arrangements on your own.

If you have any questions, feel free to call me on my cell (908)
303-6887 or email me at montclairbob...@gmail.com

Thanks,
BB









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