I'm not sure if this is so easy to answer. I think in the small details, the bikes are always morphing some. My early Toyo Atlantis from 2001 has pretty substantial differences from later Toyo models. For example, mine is a 64 frame size, but at that time, the top tube on that size was 62 cm. Afterward, for the later part of the Toyo run, that top tube in the 64 size was only 60 cm.
Also, the lugs changed at least twice in the Toyo Atlanti, meaning three different lug sets. Kickstand plates came along later too. I think that even within a certain manufacturing source, the details of the frame would change as different batches are made. Sorry I can't be more specific and less speculative. Maybe a good way to answer this is to go on Riv rides and compare the different Atlanti among the different participants. I'm guessing the owners could be coerced into talking about the finer details of their bikes a little bit. -Jim W. On Jan 26, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Bob wrote: > The current Riv Atlantis is built by Waterford. My original question > concerned whether, excluding paint, braze ons and probably tubing, the > Waterford is identical to the Toyo build. This is not questionaing the > obviously excellent Riv quality, but about subtle specifics of > interest to velohistorians an bike nerds. The question remains > unanswered. For example, are their differences between the acclaimed > Toyo and current Waterford forks? What about subtle bends in the > chainstay and other tubing? There must be things that Toyo and > Waterford do uniquely well. What are they? > > On Jan 26, 1:19 pm, Ryan <ryter...@mts.net> wrote: >> As far as I know, Atlantises (Atlanti?) were only Toyo-built. But I'm >> sure that someone will correct me if I'm wrong. >> >> My impression is that later models...I'm thinking of the AHH in >> particular ...were either Toyo or Waterford-built. And as others on >> this thread have noted, the Sams are either built by Waterford or in >> Taiwan under the supervision of Toyo >> >> That being said, regardless of the origin, Grant's design philosophy >> and attention to detail are evident...you say tomaytoes and I say >> tomaahtoes . Rivendells are great bikes >> >> Regards, >> Ryan in Winnipeg,MB >> >> On Jan 22, 10:34 pm, Bob <prov...@umbc.edu> wrote: >> >> >> >>> How does the Toyo built Atlantis differ in quality and/or geometry >>> from the Waterford edition? Exclude differences in braze-ons, >>> kickstand plate and range of sizes. >> >>> In other words, what, if anything, was gained or lost by the change in >>> builder? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
