It comes down to your aesthetic sense. If you are not that much into
the details of how things look, then it doesn't matter because quality-
wise they are identical.

But if you do care about the details, then I think you'd have to look
at the specific bike to determine what you like more.

Totally subjective.

I do remember a Grant post mentioning he really liked some of the
details on the last run of Toyo Atlantis. Here it is:

http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/196

I have both a 2006 and one of these last-run 2010 Atlantii.  I like
both (a lot), but I overall I prefer the look of the 2006.  For
example, I like the curvey lugs of the 2006 more. Many people have
said they prefer the newer, pointy lugs.

Tomato, jitomate.



On Jan 26, 3:52 pm, Bruce <fullylug...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Current Atlantis production is Waterford. Up until last year (I think), they
> came from Toyo. Toyo was the only source for Rambouillet, Saluki and
> Romulus/Redwood. AHH was blended as you suggest, and is now all Waterford. I
> think if you get them to take an order for a Legolas, it would come from
> Waterford as well. The website currently shows Bombadil, Rodeo, Atlantis, and
> Hilsen as US made (Waterford). Hunqapillar, Gomez, Foy, Amos,  Simpleone as
> Taiwan made (Maxway)
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ryan <ryter...@mts.net>
> To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 12:19:28 PM
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Toyo versus Waterford Atlantis
>
> As far as I know, Atlantises (Atlanti?) were only Toyo-built. But I'm
> sure that someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> My impression is that later models...I'm thinking of the AHH in
> particular ...were either Toyo or Waterford-built. And as others on
> this thread have noted, the Sams are either built by Waterford or in
> Taiwan under the supervision of Toyo
>
> That being said, regardless of the origin, Grant's design philosophy
> and attention to detail are evident...you say tomaytoes and I say
> tomaahtoes . Rivendells are great bikes
>
> Regards,
> Ryan in Winnipeg,MB
>
> On Jan 22, 10:34 pm, Bob <prov...@umbc.edu> wrote:
>
> > How does the Toyo built Atlantis differ in quality and/or geometry
> > from the Waterford edition?  Exclude differences in braze-ons,
> > kickstand plate and range of sizes.
>
> > In other words, what, if anything, was gained or lost by the change in
> > builder?
>
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